Alot of religious leaders as well as Historians think that aliens are demons sent from satan. what do you think? Do you think aliens are just that, or could they be something more, or just a lame ass hoax to keep our minds away from more dangerous things... What's the relation...if any

Care to name some of these "historians"?

Hmm...aliens related to demons. Maybe they're cousins?

Sorry, I couldn't resist. Where on earth did this idea come from? There wouldn't be anything like, let's say, *evidence* for this concept, would there?

the only relationship is that which man creates.

(of fear, of harm from, of existance)

It was just a question. Here. Goto this sight.

http://www.mt.net/~watcher/ufos.html

Reason i ask is due to the fact of my profession. It DOES involve stuff that you deem as "Extraterrestrial."

follow the link...

http://www.mt.net/~watcher/ufos.html

Well, you're looking at this in the wrong manner. I didn't mean aliens as little grey men. I was more on the lines of Unidentified, Demonic, Unknown...

it is still a relation men are making up.

if one defines aliens to be of the same characteristics as demons, then there is a relationship. Since everything we have on either is made-up, then how they are related is also made up (from those root creations).

I think demons are a fiction of mythology, and aliens to not be proven or disproven. Since i have no real data on the latter, i can not make a real relationship between the two.

Nice one hyper and you Surf. Intelligence, but as for demons. We know very little of what the angels created when they landed on earth, oops, not angels, aliens. It was said that they created a lot of weird hybrids and the so called allen ones broke many laws with the creatures they created wich became an annoyance of inbalance for humanity with their man eating neighbours and the many sentient animals we have myths from are pobably from these alien visitations, 3d, 4d or whatever. Some were originally factual misscreations. So i have a huge book of the secret origins of humanity and it and it's all there in black and white.

But demons must have been a description of a prehistoric being, that enjoyed human flesh for dindins.

A few HUMAN soso impressions on demons based on who knows what.








The last being a familiar Olde Europeane way of imagining the facts of humans with wings and all sorts of crap. The good news is, we are going through the last generations withing this decay of a society and.

Where 19th and 20th century story tellers have included much from those passionate oil paintings of the catholic paid. Tomorrow's fools will possibly follow the mythology generated by todays CG fantasy games that have done so well at programming attitudes. Their mythology and hear say truths will be egactly how the peasants of the dark ages were spoon fed the bible. The fact is the truths are being hidden perhaps deliberately in most cases.
Where the catholics demonised people under the same banner of an ancient worry, today we have our media priests demonising people who are different


Why not if it helps to continue herding the sheeple.

Demonic stories are older than the catholic concept, here is an indian man combing his son's hair or is he using the head as a tooth pick.







There is so much hog wash on history that i can only say I am possibly closer to wrong by saying that most of them have been wiped out or banished out of 3d earth. yet there is too much evidence through impressions in art to suggest that these demon ideas are pure fantasy, just like ETs.

I heard that before, it is possible that some of this so called aliens are demons in the disguise of extraterestrials and giving worng messeges to the people and confusing them , remember one of the most powerrful wepons of evil is to decive men......

THE book of ENOCH..tell's of this.. why demons and aliens are the same..read it and it should answer what you want to know.. For those who do not know it was one of the book's in the bible that did not make the cut after the Catholic chruch got a hold of the bible.

Ok, first of all, the Catholics have no falt why the book of enoch is not in the Bible, if you forgot the Old Testament is the hebrew Torah and the jewish dosnt include it as well, i have read them, because there is 5 not just one, the first book is called the watchers and he never said that they come from outer space , he said that they were fallen angels, but if for a preatty lady like you fallen angels are the same as aliens well thats your thought.....

Naa..I do not believe in it all, i know what i have heard from those who do.. I am a fan of God myself and believe aliens are his people just as we are..

yes but you sound the oposite way with those posts sweety

You know better, the person asked about aliens and demons all i did was tell what i have been told, Its call information. I never said i believed it only what i knew of it, They are very different thing's you know.

hey isis , you said /............THE book of ENOCH..tell's of this.. why demons and aliens are the same../,,,.............. that can be understand like if you believe that ....but hey, dont get pissed , you are going to get old much sooner , smile.....by the way, how are your hands..

I said that yes but i did not say i believed it..and what does my age have too do with this...

I said that yes but i did not say i believed it..and what does my age have too do with this...

hey, and what do you understand when someone says YES , for, YES, I BELIEVE IT, and your age? nothing...at all just take it easy, we are just discussing something here, thats why this is call a discussing forum my child...

Righto then.

well, thanks for the input. My boss has been racking me to study up on the link of aliens and demons. I told him he was nuts, but i gotta do what he says.

check this stuff out.

http://www.deliriumsrealm.com/delirium/myt...gy/watchers.asp

http://www.ldolphin.org/nephilim.html

http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/UFOs/demo...ens_clothes.htm

http://www.mt.net/~watcher/judgment.html


some of them are tied to religion, but its interesting none the less.

Demons related to Aliens, only if you believe the aliens from the Sigorney Weaver Alien series exist then you could say they are like demons, or even the Advanced Hunter "Predators". Seriously the Fallen Angels and the Ancient Gods quite possibly were extraterrestrial, but most likely were men and women with extrordinary abilities beyond those of the time from whence they came.

Up until I joined the sight I've didn't even know about fallen angels. But I don't believe that demons could be related to aliens because I don't believe in either beings. Reading the last page of this thread it sounded like a fight was going on. Because I wasn't brought up with the belief of fallen angels I don't believe in the idea. Don't get me wrong I do believe in angels who help people out. But this thread isn't about fallen angels is it? It's about whether or not people believe or think that demons could be related to aliens. I agree with Demon Watcher's last post.

aliens are not related to demons, they are one in the same. if you believe in angels that help people, then why not believe in those that do not? It is my belief that if all of these stories of abductions and alien encounters are true, that they are rather encounters with demonic creatures, demons, fallen angels, nephilim or the like, and not extraterrestrials from some other star. The similarities are to striking throughout history.

I have read the hypothesis that the same beings which were perceived as demons by primitive peoples are perceived as aliens today by people who have grown up on a steady diet of science fiction and alien movies.

Not that many years ago isolated primitive societies viewed "modern" men as gods or demons, or at least powerful sorcerers, because of our many magical abilities. (For example: we can fly, we carry fire in our pockets, we can talk to people who are many miles away through thin air, etc.)

So this theory would be that it is a question of human PERSPECTIVE. Hundreds of years ago UFO's were dirigibles, balloons, and aeroplanes. Today the selfsame saucer and cigar shaped objects are spaceships.

So perhaps the very same non-human beings who have been visiting us since the dawn of our history are daemons, devils, orcs, trolls, leprechauns, goblins, angels, messengers from God, faeries, fallen angels, spacemen, time travelers, or aliens depending upon the perspective of the human who encounters them!

Just a theory.
Being a rednecked rebel in Tulsa

not a bad perspective.

Here are the ways aliens could be related or shown to be Demons:

1st, you have the account of fallen Angels and the fact that they mated with women and created evil offspring such as giants and so forth......it would be plausible that one species that sprung from their offspring could have become what we think of as aliens today.

2nd, there's the theory that all aliens are Satan himself, or demons doing his bidding. Why would Satan want to imitate, and make people believe, that there are aliens out there? That's answered with a few new world order conspiracy theorys. Many people, religious and otherwise, talk about the illuminati and about how they want to make a one world govt... Well, you've seen the invasion movies.......what's the quickest way to bring the world under one rule? By uniting it against an common enemy, one so powerful that the only way we could combat it would be to ban together. Well, if Satan controlled the aliens/demons, and made it look like there was an invasion of earth, the theory is......that the world would unite against the believed aliens, the aliens would then put on a good show (like a modern day pro wrestling match) then they would simply act like we beat them......with the aliens defeated, a few people who would seem to be planetary heros would be given key postitions of power in the world, opening the door for the antichrist to come into power.

3rd, there's the fact that they're demonic looking, they seem to be pretty evil. And well, when you add those two together the aliens being demons theory makes sense.

What the truth is, who knows? But if aliens are real, they can only be two things from what we know of them and from what we know from our various religious histories..... Either they're just another life form more advanced then we are, who seem to be sinister at times. Or, they're demons, pure evil beings.

well done !

"Who are some of the leading UFO researchers who recognize that UFOs are an occultic and/or demonic phenomenon?"

Dr. Jacques Vallee:

"We are dealing with a yet unrecognized level of consciousness, independent of man but closely linked to the earth.... I do not believe anymore that UFOs are simply the spacecraft of some race of extraterrestrial visitors. This notion is too simplistic to explain their appearance, the frequency of their manifestations through recorded history, and the structure of the information exchanged with them during contact." 51

"[An] impressive parallel [can] be made between UFO occupants and the popular conceptions of demons."61 "[UFOs can] project images or fabricated scenes designed to change our belief systems." 62 "...human belief... is being controlled and conditioned," "man's concepts are being rearranged," and we may be headed toward "a massive change of human attitudes toward paranormal abilities and extraterrestrial life."63

"The 'medical examination' to which abductees are said to be subjected, often accompanied by sadistic sexual manipulation, is reminiscent of the medieval tales of encounters with demons. It makes no sense in a sophisticated or technical or biological framework: any intelligent being equipped with the scientific marvels that UFOs possess would be in a position to achieve any of these alleged scientific objectives in a shorter time and with fewer risks."64

"...the symbolic display seen by the abductees is identical to the type of initiations ritual or astral voyage that is imbedded in the [occult] traditions of every culture."65 Thus, "the structure of abduction stories is identical to that of occult initiation rituals."66

Lynn E. Catoe (the senior bibliographer for a government publication researched by the Library of Congress for the U.S. Air Force Office of Scientific Research: UFOs and Related Subjects]:

"A large part of the available UFO literature is closely linked with mysticism and the metaphysical. It deals with subjects like mental telepathy, automatic writing and invisible entities as well as phenomena like poltergeist [ghost] manifestations and 'possession.' Many of the UFO reports now being published in the popular press recount alleged incidents that are strikingly similar to demonic possession and psychic phenomena...." 52

Dr. Pierre Guerin [an eminent scientist associated with the French National Council for Scientific Research]:

UFO "behavior is more akin to magic than to physics as we know it." 53 "...the modern UFOnauts and the demons of past days are probably identical."54 "What is quite certain is that the phenomenon is active here on our planet, and active here as master." 56

John A. Keel [one of the most informed persons in the world on UFOs, author of the now-classic UFOs: Operation Trojan Horse]:

"The manifestations and occurrences described in this imposing literature [on demonology] are similar if not entirely identical to the UFO phenomenon itself."57 "The UFO manifestations seem to be, by and large, merely minor variations of the age-old demonological phenomenon."58

Ivar Mackay [former chairman of the respected British UFO Research Association]:

"...if one sets the three occult groups against the three classifications of UFO entities and their characteristics, it is rather surprising how complementary to each other they appear to be, not only through their appearance, activities, and level of behavior, but also in the quality of mental and, especially, emotional reaction and response that has been noted to have occurred on contact." 69

Trevor James [veteran UFO researcher]:

"A working knowledge of occult science... is indispensable to UFO investigation."59

Sociologists Stupple and McNeece:

"...studies of flying saucer cults repeatedly show that they are part of a larger occult social world."60[QUOTE]


FROM http://www.crossroad.to/Quotes/spirituality/aliens.html

Marked by the apocalyptic Biblical ‘end time’ prophecy, our information-oriented society is gradually turning into a target for leading mystic and metaphysical suggestions broadcast by the electronic media, and is getting entangled in the Satan nets of a cyberspace woven from the dark shadows of violence and chaos. The worship of paranormal phenomena, invisible worlds and weapons for mental and physical control has risen to a crescendo. Prominent wise men and prophets testify that ‘great miracles and signs’ in the sky and on the earth, along with moral and physical degradation, have accompanied mankind in all epochs. But who is responsible for them – alien ultratechnocrats colonizing the planet, or evil demons from the abyss of hell?

On the walls of the caves Merle and Cognac in France there are twenty thousand-year-old Cro-Magnon paintings of strange humanoids with skinny bodies, very big heads and large slanted eyes, dying by the arrows of prehistoric hunters. A 4500-year-old statue of a goddess on the Greek Cyclades also bears unbelievable anthropological resemblance to today’s ‘grey’ aliens from space. The magnificent civilizations of the Egyptians, Sumerians and Maya built their unique equipment, societies and religion in communication with ‘Gods’ who, they believed, came either from the stars or from the earth’s womb. In the Old Testament (Genesis 6:4 and Numbers 13:33) they are called ‘nephilim’ (giants or fallen angels); they had sexual intercourse with human beings resulting in giants and monstrous hybrids, which lead to the Deluge. They are described as mighty and wise flying humanoids and dragons, belonging to the reptilian race. In the Bible they are called ‘legion’ and ‘retribution’ for the sinful mankind. The fall of the ‘ancient dragon’, called Devil or Satan, and his angels is described in Revelation 13:9. Theologians call the fallen angels lucifugy. After they were cast from heaven, they fell deep into the caves under the ground, and turned into trolls, gnomes, kobolds and other light-hating creatures with supernatural demonic abilities, who resemble today’s descriptions of extraterrestrials.

The fate of the ancient civilizations of Africa, Asia and Central America, which communed with the ‘fallen angels’, wasn’t better than that of the destroyed by deluge, fire and brimstone human tribe from the Old Testament. Possessing technology and knowledge thousands of years ahead of their time (according to the Christian doctrine Satan is the creator of all earthly possessions), they rose like titans from the ashes of eternity, with nothing to foretell their appearance, and collapsed at the zenith of their power sharing the doom of Atlantis.

Stigmatized as servants of the Devil, the creatures ‘from space’ haunted the nightmares and everyday lives of our ancestors, brought omens and epidemics, kidnapped, raped, or confused people. Similarities with the modern phenomena UFO can be found in the Middle Ages too. The picture ‘A Christian tempted by a demon’ represents a demon coming out of a strange luminous sphere. St. Anthony described his encounter with demons: ‘hideous beasts with vacant black eyes and wizened bodies came out of an infernal fiery chariot’. Charlemagne (768-814), who conquered the Arabs and united Christian Europe, was seriously injured when a big sphere fell ‘like a thunder’ from the sky and knocked down his horse. During his rule there were plenty of ‘tyrants in the air and their air ships’, which the ruler defined as ‘evil’. Chroniclers testify that fiery spheres often flew above Paris, Florence and Avignon, the town of the Pope exile, in the fourteenth century, at the time of the black plague, which depopulated Europe. Glowing spheres infiltrated freely into locked rooms. The historian Philip Ziegler noted that a similar spheroid hovering above Vienna was successfully dismantled and fell to earth when a local priest performed an exorcising ritual. A stone statue of Virgin Mary was erected at that place in memory of the victory over the Evil. Paintings from that period represent a sky crowded with demons who throw arrows infected with plague towards the towns. For two hundred years hundreds of men and women in England found strange scars on their bodies, suffered from mysterious diseases, or acquired supernatural abilities. Other characteristics of the age of epidemics are the apogee of materialism, hedonism and corruption among the clergy, and the bloom of witchcraft, which are contemporary vices too.

The emblematic encounter with ‘flying saucers’ of the pilot Kenneth Arnold over the Rocky Mountains in 1947 marked the beginning of the chronology of the modern contacts with alien civilizations. It seems that in the last fifty-five years aliens have considered the Earth the main tourist attraction in this part of the galaxy. Contrary to expectations and although they are rarely located in space, UFO sightings in the atmosphere are now more often recorded. In April 1984 the National UFO Reporting Centre in Seattle registered four cases in a month, twelve years later they were 83 for the same period, and in March 2001 – 284. It turns out that many of the regions frequented by UFOs are the so called ‘transitional zones’ – zones with negative geopathogenic emanation, ancient sanctuaries for pagan rituals, or places where modern witches and Satan sects meet. In the USA such places are the Tuskarora Reservation near the Niagara Falls, Taconic Park to the north of New York, the drainage basin of the Alagash in North Maine, famous for an abduction case, the centre of the New Age Movement in Crestone, Colorado (where the mysterious "ant" people have been spotted for centuries), and the region around Phoenix, Arizona, with its field of old burial mounds.

As Ron Patton reveals, the modern UFO phenomenon is also closely connected to the occult symbolism. The people who have been in contact with aliens talk about characteristic emblems on their uniforms. One of them is the winged sun disc identified with the so called ‘Draconis’ (the reptilian race) and well-known in ancient Egypt and Babylon. The two-headed eagle, or Phoenix, worn by the ‘grey’ aliens from Lyra Constellation is the main symbol of the Scottish Freemasonry. After examining more than 150 texts received via channeling or direct contact with aliens, Dr. Mario Pazaglini proved that a great number of the strange hieroglyphs were identical with the magic symbols in the holy books of Tot-Hermes and Enoch. The thousands-year-old phenomenon ‘crop circles’ has recently appeared in all possible geometric shapes, some of which (spheres, pentagrams) can easily be recognized as occult or Masonic symbols.

The supposed aliens appear in a variety of anthropological or inhuman forms and different in size and design ‘spaceships’. Still in some cases they take a rather demonic shape. On 29 August 1967 in Quissac, France two kids saw a grounded sphere, 2 metres in diameter, and four ‘little devils’. One of them was bending searching for something on the surface while another one was holding a mirror-like object. The creatures were hovering around the sphere, then they dived into it and the ship rose smoothly with a hissing sound and a strong smell of brimstone. In the Bible brimstone is associated with hell.

The ufologist Guy Malone from Roswell, New Mexico pointed out another strong evidence of the real nature of ufonauts. If they were friendly heralds of knowledge and universal humanism, why would they terminate the contact and disappear with lightning speed at the mention of God’s name, as they did on a few occasions? Many participants in encounters of the third kind were shocked not only by the smell of brimstone, but also by the repulsive appearance of the extraterrestrials. The aliens possess the striking ability to change their appearance and size. Thomas Aquinas believed that demons could take human form and then throw it away, and W. Y. Evans – Wenz, the American explorer who established contact with a magic race from Albion a century ago, believed that they were able to appear in different forms. Further evidence of the spiritualistic nature of aliens is their ability to materialize, dematerialize and go through walls, which makes their aerospaceships unnecessary. The contacts with aliens generate a number of phenomena such as levitation, clairvoyance, good command of languages and supernatural physical power, which were classified as signs of demonic obsession during the Middle Ages. In his book Demonolatry, published in the sixteenth century, Nicolas Remy stated that ‘without using their tongues and palates, and without moving their throats, faces or lungs demons utter all possible words and idioms, and speak every language as naturally and fluently as if they were natives who never left the country.’

Another parallel can be drawn between the abduction and aggressive sexual behaviour of some of the ufonauts, and the ancient stories about lustful fauns and the night demonic seducers sucubus and incubus. In the documentary bestseller ‘Intruders’ the ufologist Budd Hopkins described the terror and pain of female victims of the genetic experiments of the ‘little greys’. But this is not the peak of their aggression and violence towards humans. Near Dulce, New Mexico, in the Jicarella Reservation, known as an Indian shaman centre, there is a secret underground complex of the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) connected to genetic engineering and cloning experiments. Ex-employees and abducted citizens state that there they have seen representatives of different alien races and huge tanks full of blood and parts of human bodies. The aliens bathed in them in order to take in blood energy substances including the vital for them adrenalin, which can be found in great quantity in children’s organisms and is released just before the death of tortured or distressed people. Human and animal sacrifice was widely spread among the civilizations of Ancient Egypt, Babylon, Aztecs and Maya who communed with the ‘fallen angels’. In the Egyptian Book of the Dead there is a text dedicated to the dwellers of hell: "Behold ye then god this great slaughter, mighty of terror, he washeth in your blood, he batheth in your gore." Is it a coincidence that the black masses conducted in the name of Beelzebub for thousands of years are connected to violent sacrifice of newborn babies and small children, too? It is also known that for years aliens have abducted certain people to create, as they call it, the ‘perfect’ hybrid race and to establish a new world order. According to the apocryphal Book of Enoch and the Revelation of John the expelled legion of Satan had sexual intercourse with mortal women, resulting in indescribable calamities for mankind.

Nowadays more and more world-famous UFO researchers are reorienting from physical to parapsychological interpretation of the phenomenon. The French ufologist Jacques Vallee finds that ‘an impressive parallel can be made between UFO occupants and the popular conception of demons’. The author of ‘Operation Trojan Horse’ John Keel believes that UFO manifestations are almost a mirror image of the age-old demonological phenomenon. In the last decades we have witnessed that the pathological intervention of the phenomenon in human lives coincides not only with rapid development of communication technologies and genetic improvement, but also with the creation of psychotronic and mass destruction weapons. The knowledge of the world widens but hatred, terror and ideological globalism suppress the inherent virtues and the belief in God. Human cloning already shows the way to our physical immortality. But won’t our spiritual execution be a high price for this Faust contract with the powers of Evil.

FROM http://farshores.org/ufo03fac.htm

well that shows how little man has changed, doesn't it?

the roots can be found in how the human brain processes data. yet, a very small percentage of the population has any real understanding of the findings of science. So what we see is a continual mystifiying of what can be simply explained. Aliens are not demons, demons are not demons. When the populace as a whole rejects calls to superstition then and only then will a glimmer of the truth begin to be seen. That, however is still some time off as a great many people still do not understand the difference between what is "out there" and what is coming from the pineal gland.

I would say there are two types of aliens, just like the 'son of the law of one' and the 'son of beliel' of Atlantis.

But the truth is, aliens are really neither harmful, or extremely beneficial, to me they're neutral and they only conduct experiments with purpose and rationality.

i do believe that there are a great number of things that can be explained through science hyperactive, but i do believe that there is something happening that cannot be explained with logic and science. I do think that we should always explore a full scientific explanation before we use the supernatural to explain these occurences.

Whitley Strieber investigated a significant section in one of his books dedicated to relating the "Daimon" to the visitors/aliens. He has said that "Daimon" which is latin for demon, is defined as a "knowledge carrier". I don't believe Satan is the only one capable of demonics.

I think something at this link may warm up this discussion, found it while searching for info on something I found and it kind of confirms what I was beginning to suspect, you got the good guys and the bad guys. The truth is out there, I hope! Check it out.
http://www.informantnews.com/brief/doc1.html

Hmm..."Threats To Human Freedom", Ok.

How about the threat imposed by a blatant inability to reason critically?

See here to learn more.

I don't think the two are mutually exclusive. An alien could theoretically be a demon, and a demon could be an alien (since it is no longer technically a physical resident on earth).

Well, actually if you read the book of revelations it says that satan will come to earth disguised as the holy christ falsifying us mortals. so, if he is hiding behind aliens, it makes sense...

Just a suggestion, it might be wise to attempt to first determine the existence of said, demons and aliens before everyone runs wild with speculation regarding their nature/ similarities/differences etc.

Then again, there once was much debate regarding how many angels could dance on the head of a pin. Perhaps we should delve into that little gem as well? I say, seven angels, no particular reason, I just like the number seven.

its quite interesting

aliens have been considered angels and demons...just like god has been considered good and evil....and some religions think satan is god.....

i'm just thinking when it comes to using this label of Demons, it is being associated with religous preferences, when really extraterrestrials should be discussed outside that containment..

if we removed religious undertones to everything, we might actually be ale to solve some things....*hint hint* ...same with cloning,..if people would quit putting religious preferences to that, we might actually be further into our technological revolution..

exactly...humans don't have to be forceful in their attempt to contact extraterrestrials....just use critical thinking...not every single alien race is evil

besides...if Earth tried to bomb aliens...we should know 100% for certain, they would knock the * out of us...with a flying punch and a swift drop kick out of this solar system..

its all up to the person who interperets that story to be that way

everyone..i mean EVERYONE has a different view of what revelations means..every human has the ability to consciously distinguish their personality and thoughts form someone elses....what i am implying by that is

you think thats what it means, someone else is going to always disagree with you when you tell someone flat out "this is what it means"

people need to be open to new suggestions..thats how education works...the willingness to change just in case your information is wrong or it because out of date...thats also how philosophy works successfully...

adapt to change, overall through my rambling nonsense

i think Revelations is a futuristic story of Earth dying by nuclear weapons and extraterrestrial interference... and i'm an athiest....

really another way to put it is aliens are either benevolent or malevolent...they don't have to intervien with us unless they choose to...if they choose to, we should be honored enough to at least communicate with them to find out their intentions...which is just as purposeful and rational...

The bible does not say the Angels who cast out Fell, but it says that Lucifer and the others Descended, meaning they were told to go, and went of their own accord.[U]

History is written by the winners, not the losers. The Gnostics had it that the OT "God" was humankind's enemy, and "Satan" was on the side of humankind. The Christians largely wiped out the Gnostics, burned their writings, and wrote the history, i.e., selected which writings would be in the Bible.

Keep using quotes from such books as "the davinci code". makes you look foolish...