I don't know about the pyramids and the face, but the only thing that stands out is that the JPL (Jet Propulsion Laboratory) people held a public conference with press and everything to say that NASA's pictures are altered. These people obviously know what their talking about. I mean why would they hold a public conference on it if a bunch of kids on the internet were able to debunk it much less the experts? Why would their ruin their credibility and make something up? What do they have to gain? They can't be stupid and "actually" think they've been altered, otherwise who hired them to work at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory?

Why is it so obvious that they know what they are talking about? Because they held a news conference?! Oh, it was on the news....it must be true.

Let's use the same logic with NASA. NASA wants manned exploration of Mars. Wouldn't it be much easier to gain funding and public support if Mars 'looked' more like Earth? It seems therefore that NASA would be going out of their way to change the pictures to look more like Earth if they were changing them at all.

You wouldn't have a link atleast to back up what you just said QuantumE ?


Incase you didn't know, JPL is NASA

On another note, might not be a good idea to use the term "a bunch of kids on the internet" as I haven't been a kid for many years, and I know alot of others on the board aren't "kids" either

Yes... when was this news conference?



Umm... joc, in this case, this would be the deciding factor. JPL is the group that not only made the rovers but is controling them... Its good not to believe things right off the bat, but you cant dismiss something like this right off the bat neither, because JPL is quite a credible source in this case.

If JPL is NASA then why is JPL trying to say NASA altered the images?? That dosen't make sense. Unless their people within NASA trying to speak the truth I dont know. Im certaintly just as confused as you are. Im just showing something that I found interesting and thought others would think so too. I don't understand why you seem to think that because Im showing this that I discovered this info. It's what others discovered not me, im just showing it. If you want to debunk it go tell them not me. Like I said im just showing it. The link is right here. These are the pictures of the actual conference somewhere in the middle.

http://xfacts.com/spirit2004/

JPL is a part of NASA.

http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/about_JPL/

JPL home page .... http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/


from your ramdom site ......




Those pictures are only in his opinion of the true RGB % of each frame

Yea I said I was confused as to why NASA is trying to say they falsified their own images. From what's said one who dosen't know much about NASA would think JPL was a seperate organization. Excuse for not knowing all of NASA's departments. Anyway you need to direct your vast knowledge towards them, prove JPL they dont know what their doing. Because you sure got it all figured out. Like I said before im just showing it.

5 seconds on google



I don't have to prove anything, your the one saying that NASA hoaxed there own.


I already said its just one persons idea of what it might look like, we don't know your the one making a big deal out of a unknown

Your still missing the point. Anyway, that's exactly where your wrong. "I" didn't say NASA did anything I posted the info because I thought it was interesting. Show me where I said "THIS IS TRUE!" Read the topics title I said "Real or not, you be the judge" All I stated was that these guys know what their talking about so there's some credibility but never said whether I beleived it or not. Your the one who ran in here and "enlightened" everyone to what you think is true or not. You say you don't have anything to prove? So why are you here trying to say it's definetly not true then?

Too clear away confusion for others now that I realize JPL is part of NASA but basically some in the JPL area of NASA are claiming that the people who are responsible for the images are altering the images shown to the public. That's what some of them think.

I do think it is interesting that one hand (JPL) is questioning why the other hand is coloring an image a certain way. It might be that JPL felt that the images should have been released with a cetain color ratio or tint and were ignored, and now are making a big fuss over it.

you just don't get it do you, every single image from space is altered to the biast of who is showing them. if you want to make a conspiracy of a fact well known, more power to you. No one agrees on anything


im out

Are you serious? Great! Tell them! This isn't my info it's theirs! Im just showing it you moron. Im showing what THEIR saying not what IM saying. You seem to think because im posting this info that I created it. Get your head of your ass, because you sound like your brain is dead. Just because you can't think of anything else to say dosen't mean you have to start hurling insults and putting up a lot of smilies, and you even said before in another post that you wern't a kid, you sure showed me.

show me once where I have called you a name, shows who is the "kid"


Hopefully next time you bring something here you will atleast think about it first

I usually don't need to think or care when kids are trying to fight me over the internet. But your still missing the point, your basically getting mad at me because you dont beleive the info I posted that someone else made. You want to prove it wrong tell that guy at JPL because I don't care what you beleive on the subject. I just posted it because it was interesting and never said I beleived it or not. You say you have nothing to prove but yet your still complaining about it? Go get some paper and write the guy a letter and tell him why he's wrong. Then maybe you could get a job at NASA. Or this probably dosen't have anything to do with the subject you just keep getting mad because I make your posts look stupid so you gotta have a comeback to everything I say. I'll end this right now to stop making you look like an ignorant moron, Ok? thats your business and right to beleive what you want but I honestly dont care what you think or beleive so tell it to the guy who is making the info, not to the person who is just showing it.

Im not going to say a word

That's what I thought

When we went to the Moon in 1969; did one of the astranauts play Golf on the moon? I seem to remember seeing some images of it; maybe they were altered for an advertisement or something. Assuming that they did play a bit of golf; maybe that would explain this picture...



Looks like a golf ball to me

They didnt say Nasa edited anything...

Read it again...


"Investigation shows that there are several indications that the NASA is tampering with the colors, and changes them from an Earth-like environment into a red inhospitable environment."

Maybe you should read it again. Thats not JPL saying that, thats the website.

wow... it actually does. I think you may be right here.

haha, you're totally right. but now i'm thinking why would someone say its on mars...

oh wait nevermind.

My god you serious?? ok ill copy and paste the paragraph in it's entirety.


"Investigation shows that there are several indications that the NASA is tampering with the colors, and changes them from an Earth-like environment into a red inhospitable environment. But it seems that the young scientists at Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) are not convenient with this. At the press conference last saturday, the JPL-scientists showed the latest picture of the Martian landscape. It showed a salmon-coloured desert with a blue sky. It seems that they did it on purpose, since previous pictures were all extremely red. Below the pictures of the conference are shown"

No I was referring to an article not that specific image.

Is the "Face on Mars" a natural formation, or was it the work of something else? Discovered by the Viking mission in 1976, and reimaged by the Mars Global Surveyor, the controversy continues on whether the Face is a geologic landform or an artificial structure.
The "Face" is approximately one mile long, is very symmetrical...

Also this was in Newfrontiersincience.com
Analysis of Mars Odyssey THEMIS Imagery of the "D&M Pyramid"
Mark J. Carlotto

In April 2002 the Thermal Emission Imaging System (THEMIS) aboard the Mars Odyssey spacecraft acquired a 19 meter/pixel visible image over a region in Cydonia containing the Face, D&M Pyramid, and the eastern portion of the City. This new image provides the first fully illuminated view of the D&M Pyramid — a faceted landform south of the Face first imaged by Viking in 1976. The new THEMIS image shows the D&M Pyramid is a highly symmetrical object with striking similarities to other objects in Cydonia. The presence of two highly symmetrical objects — the Face and the D&M Pyramid — with completely different morphologies, less than 20 km apart, suggests the possibility that this collection of objects could be the eroded remains of ancient artificial structures on the Martian surface.




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Ancient Shoreline in Cydonia
Mark Carlotto (markjc@mindspring.com)

An analysis of a recent THEMIS multispectral image (20020724A.gif) acquired by the Mars Odyssey spacecraft over Cydonia provides further evidence that an ocean once existed to the north, and that the features known as the City and Face are located along what was once its shoreline. It is shown that there are three spectrally distinct regions that are spatially correlated with MOLA-derived elevation data. One region is correlated with the higher terrain to the south, another with the low-lying plains to the north, and a third with a transition zone between the two. From its topography, relationships to the terrain to the north and south, spectral characteristics, and morphology of its features, it is conjectured that this transition zone was once the shoreline. The City, Face, and D&M Pyramid all lie in this zone. As either shoreline features, or even possibly islands, their proximity to water provides a possible explanation for how these once-symmetrical structures could have been transformed into their present, collapsed and highly eroded, state.

Yes I'm serious. Read it. It sais "investigation", and then talks about the JPL conference. It doesnt say the investigation is conducted by JPL or anything, it simply says that in the conference, JPL showed a picture with a blue sky.

"Investigation shows that there are several indications that the NASA is tampering with the colors, and changes them from an Earth-like environment into a red inhospitable environment. But it seems that the young scientists at Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) are not convenient with this.

Due to their investigation.

No, not due to their investigation, and not due to the websites investigation. The website did the investigation you speak of, and says that JPL (he believes) is not convenient with color tampering because they show a picture with a blue sky in one of their conferences.

Quote Stellar
"No, not due to their investigation, and not due to the websites investigation. The website did the investigation "

huh? I say no more...

Forget about Hoaglands pseudo science,Cydonia,alien artifacts and focus on reality for a wile.

http://www.universetoday.com/am/publish/fr...rs.html?2222005

http://www.universetoday.com/am/publish/ro...rt.html?1532005

http://www.universetoday.com/am/publish/ma...ve.html?1732005

http://science.nasa.gov/newhome/headlines/ast12mar98_1.htm

What if all that was reality?
Anyway, nice articles.

^Them four links are real, I think.

I meant that its not due to their (JPL's) investigation on the colours because JPL didnt do that investigation thats being talked about.

You got to love Stellars lack of capability to 'step down'.

LMAO

lol

well right now on the front page of UM there was an article that said mars sand could contain up to 50% snow and ice. so maybe they were changing the colors. personally i dont really care that much, they're still telling us mostly everything.

Is this the link you mean?
http://www.mars-earth.com/newface.htm

The picture of the face is split in two and two new pictures are created. One of the new pictures was made by mirroring the left half and the other picture was made by mirroring the right half. Of course both pictures are perfectly symmetrical. There's no way they could be assymetrical. The two new pictures look very different from each other, which is proof that the original face is not symmetrical.

Furthermore, the author points to a "headdress" on the left photo. It's not there on the right photo. The "nose" on the left photo curls way up and looks nothing like a human nose, no matter how stylized. The "nose" on the right photo looks very different than the "nose" on the left photo.

Final edit:
I've been having browser troubles and didn't see the other posts addressing this issue. Sorry for covering old ground.

The myth about Cydonia should once and for all be put in the grave. Nothing but human mind's interpretation lies behind the illusion of the "Face". You see what you want to see, remember that.
As for the "Pyramids", they don't look enough like ones for me to believe it.

When I said original, I meant the 1976 version. I'm not talking about the mirrored image( the picture is on the top and on other sites). I posted this earlier where I was referring to what scientist said were "symmetrical". Please look at my post with the article. I think you overlooked it.

It really isn't as symmetrical as you say it is.

http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/extend...proc_50perc.gif

All of the contours on the left side are nothing like the ones on the right.

Scientists speculate it's erosion. They say there is a basic symmetry, not a perfect one.

The 'face' is no more symetrical than many natural features on Earth are. Likewise the so-called 'pyramids' - which bear an uncanny resemblance to............................................................................hills

ya but it seems that the sides are a bit slanted like a pyramid :/

And despite erosion, hills don't usually look like this. The rover Spirit photographed this.
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/mycommon/200...21R0M1-greg.jpg

That is one pointy, slanted hill.

Is this a pyramid?

I wasn't trying to be nasty. It's that it isn't a hill according to scientists who've studied it.

Suilven must have been built by martians......