The sumerians depicted DNA 6,000 years ago supposevly, with the intertwining of serpents. Which is still today in use for symbol of medicine. Check out link.

http://xfacts.com/sumerian.htm

It's a shame Marduk is no longer here, He would explain so much better then i why this site is wrong.

Also the sumerian rock figurines they created closely resemble the "greys" people have reported seeing while abducted. Link below.

http://www.xfacts.com/ancient/

Well, the images aren't wrong but the conclusion arrived at is. This is an example of a combination of pareidolia (where if one thing *looks* like another, it's assumed to be the latter) and appeal to popularity. Hey, let's face it, it's pretty cool to think that we could be the descendents of some ancient, wise, spacefaring race. There just isn't any evidence that this is the case.

There's also the teeny little problem that human DNA (all DNA for that matter) is decidely terrestrial in origin.

Cool link! Thanks. Very interesting, they look like greys to me too.

Zecharia Sitchin gets deep into this.

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Right, so because there is one picture of two snakes entwined, that automatically means that ancient people knew about DNA...please...

Actually there are hundreds of pictures, and not only from Sumer. There might have been a thread about this.

The two snakes has nothing to do with DNA. It was the Greek symbol for something...I think it was Hermes that carried the snake staff...

First, I never said it had to do with DNA. Second, the Sumerians pre-date the Greeks by thousands of years.

Well, this thread is about DNA silly...


I know that the predate the Greeks...

Then why'd you mention it, silly? This thread is about the Sumerians.

Oh silly! I mentioned it to indicate that the entwinned snake symbol has nothing to do with DNA, as this thread states that it does, according to the article anyway.

What the article implies is that the entwined snakes are representational of DNA.

Yes, that is what I just said, and then disagreed with it...

How can you call me silly when you start to talk about the Greeks?

Oh my god you are annoying.

I mentioned the Greeks briefly, once, because it is them that gave us the entwinned snake symbol. That is where we got it from, we use it because we saw what it represented during their existence.

It was relevant.

God...

(blushing)

Actually it was the greeks that first associated the emblem with medicine, and yes, it was Apollo's Staff Aesculapius, or...Mercury, depending on Roman standpoint. Perhaps Sumerians had these images, but I too agree that it's coincidental to DNA. Perhaps they associated it with some ritual, but chances are they knew about human DNA is really stretching it.

More than stretching it.

I'm not trying to beat a dead horse, but what if we were living in a "dark age" after the fall of Sumer, and all this knowledge was lost?

If they had known about DNA then they would have had very advanced and complicated technology.

If they had very advanced and complicated technology then they would have left a trace...

Or perhaps they were so advanced they decided to leave this rock. That would be trippy.

You know what's spooky is that scientists have found 12,000 year old skeletal remains before. And charred mountain tops. Is it indicative that they destroyed themselves with nuclear weapons. They fell at the height of their civilization.

, I somewhat doubt it...

You should read the book called The God Code, skip all the Yaweh stuff, I doubt your interested. They go in depth on the skeletal remains. Spooky stuff.

Nuclear battles cause more then skeletal remains. They would need the weapondry, the intelligence, the ability to launch nukes ie., Missile silos as well. However, all we can find are pyramids and standing stones, HARDLY the technology to use plutonium and manufacture atomic weapondry. Im interested in reading this book you advised, I have NO idea how he can get that assumption.

It's not my assumption. And it wasn't around Sumer. But if it were around 12, 000 years ago that be pretty weird. Scientists who were in the process of making atomic bombs speculated that humans probably had the access to atomic knowledge. What was the name of that guy???

The dual entwined snakes is an ancient symbol, found from India through North Africa and the Mediterranean. The Greek symbol is the Caduceus.

Some say it is associated with medicine because it represents an African hydra worm that has been removed from the skin by wrapping it around a stick. (Those with weak stomachs, or especially queasy over parasitology, please do *not* research that further.)

The snake is an ancient symbol of rebirth and transformation (shedding its dead skin), tracing back to ancient cultures in African and India. In India, it was associated with the "vital life force", or "kundalini". In Egypt, in transcriptions of the Book of the Dead, many represent the center post of Thoth's scale as being entwined snakes, with seven loops. The jackal guardian of Hell (not Anubis, but an animal like Cerebus) is usually seen with his jaws clenched between the third and fourth loop. (This is believed to be a remnant of symbolism from India, where the fourth chakra is awakening to the universe, and rising above animal instincts of lust, greed, and power. Those who's souls had never risen to the fourth loop, above the jackal's jaws, were food for the scavengers of Hell.)

Anyway, the circle, spiral, and helix are all common religious symbols, particularly in matricarchal religions. The Caduceus simply represents renewal and change, over and over, but always moving forward/up.

Mike

^Thank you
Incidentally, the God Code is about DNA. Total coincidence.

Maybe the two last pictures under "artifacts"-section could resemble grays. But only maybe.

It's a matter of personal interpretation.

And common sense.

Ah, but some of the greatest minds didn't use common sense. They used their imagination, no? Like Einstein, always daydreaming. He said imagination was more important than knowledge. He didn't know how right he was.

Yes, Einstein did say that he thought imagination was more important than knowledge.

He also said, "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."

Are you trying to imply that using your imagination is stupid? Because that's how Einstein came up with all of his theories: daydreaming, speculating.

Of course using one's imagination isn't stupid. Now, jumping to conclusions without solid evidence could very well be construed as such.

Do you think that Einstein's theory of relativity was something that he just up and imagined one day, without any knowledge of physics and mathematics? Obviously, that was not the case. The reason that relativity is referred to as a theory and not a hypothesis is that there is an enormous amount of evidence, mathematical and experimental data, which has been shown to support Einstein.

Einstein may have first imagined that the universe worked in a manner that Newtonian mechanics alone could not explain, but he went far (very far) beyond that initial imagination. Daydreaming alone doesn't serve to tell us if our speculations are really viable or not.

Man you are one bad communicator. You constantly misunderstand things... read peoples posts properly!

As a point of interest, the coiled snakes have also been associated with tesla coils as well in the past. Does that mean that the Sumerians had knowledge of electromagnetism and advanced physics?

I have to agree that ancient cultures present an impressive understanding over very complex and mostly undiscovered at that time concepts but is it really more than jumping the gun when you corerlate something like a symbol with the most vital discovery in medicine. I mean can any of these people provide any evidence that the Sumerians used that knowledge to aid themselves? Why not have GM crops that would fed their people , and treatments that would prolong their lives? Why no evidence of any tampering with DNA but the symbol survives?

There are many such assumptions made today about the ancient world but the truth is we dont know and probably never will. Either the paradoxes are a result of erronious dating of artifacts or intervention from advanced cultures that elude written history, we must try and see the things for what they are and not let wishful thinking and fascination to mislead us from the true mysteries.

Hear hear, well said.

I never jumped to the conclusion that the Sumerians had knowledge of DNA. I was telling Mr. Ed that the snakes pre-dated the Greeks. I always ask questions and like to think that there are possibilities.

Dude, why do yo have to follow me around in nearly EVERY thread and scrutinize what I say? Are you like in love with me or something?

Eh? Is it my fault that in every thread you post in that I happen to view you write something worth scrutinising that I don't agree with?

Stop being a drama-queen...

If you really thought that what I said was worth scrutinizing, that's sad. I was talking about a mere article. You're always analyzing me as well. It's ANNOYING.

Haven't you noticed, you only posted in here because I was here?

Hmm Yelekiah I think you're rather flattering yourself here. I don't follow you round in topics... the only time i've really seen you is when you have posted in response to ME in McKennas topics... I didn't initiate it with you!

And yes I responded to what you said in this thread simply because I was reading it and saw another example of you getting a tad confused with your posts.

I have hardly analysed you at all... I have only spoken to you in one other topic...

As I said... stop being a drama queen...

There were more than that, and I can't forget it because your up my a** all the time. If you have anymore to say to me, please feel free to PM me. We'll leave this out of QuantumE's thread.

Self important delusions and we aren't on the metaphysics forum!?

Ed, if you've ever seen the messages Richdog sends me, it's obvious he follows me around a lot. That's a fact.
And I take it that you like facts, and not nonsense. Correct?

Before this thread degenerated into a less informative discussion the topic was about Sumerians depiction of DNA, Anunnaki creators.

In an attempt to bring this tread back into line I’d like to mention that there is another really good description of how it's very possible that SOMEONE NOT FROM AROUND HERE might have had the technology to have CHANGED THE DIRECTION of an indigenous species to bring MODERN MAN into existence.

Check out http://www.lloydpye.com/

What I’m talking about is found in the Intervention section of the site. He has created a lot of Flash slideshows that are very informative and well thought out. He makes a pretty good case for Interventionism.

While you’re there you can check out the Starchild. He has a skull that is VERY UNIQUE. He’s taken it to some of the top specialists in the field and NO ONE can give him a good reason why this skull is so different from a normal skull. Most of the PROFESSIONALS simply pass it off on some simple deformity, but careful research has proven that NO DEFORMATY could have produced all of the differences in the Starchild skull.

Please tell me you just didn't do this. I really hoped this thread had died. If you'd like you can start your own thread on the starchildren. I'll check it out.