JACK NEON
Sep 10 2005, 12:17 PM
I wonder why we still accept the offical story as fact I mean I feel there must have been someone else higher involved. For example How could Catholics who it was known hated the king able to rent a cellar under parliament in fact how could anyone have done this.
Also gunpowder would have been expensive it would either had to have been brought in from abroad or aquired from the tower of London it seems strange how a small group of (to the best of my knowledge) not significantly rich people could have brought so much gunpowder. And to have acquired it from the tower you would surely need to be a high official in government.
For me the most likely suspect was Robert Cecil (I think that was his name) it was soldiers under his orders who searched the cellars and arrested Fawkes. Also when he saw the letter which revealed the plot he instantly thought gunpowder. The final piece against this was why at the seige against the plotters were the two supposed leaders singled out to be shot on sight when the rest were arrested.
I personally believe they were incriminated against by Fawkes who was a servant of Cecil but decide for yourself and attack me if you got ammo.
Mr Ed
Sep 10 2005, 12:36 PM
The Robert Cecil theory is a famous one and is also quite possible.
The court hated Catholics, they wanted war against them, they wanted to remove them from England as well.
The gunpower plot brought on a huge wave of anti-catholocism, increasing anger towards the Catholics, obviously.
This allowed Parliament to pass several Anti-Catholic laws.
I wouldn't be at all suprised it Cecil did arrange the plot.
Rhomphaia
Sep 11 2005, 10:32 AM
Does anyone know how abso-fricking-lutely refreshing it is to see someone posting about historical conspiracies on here?
The stuff about 9/11 is so old that I welcome any threads on dead horses like the Kennedy assassination.
As Redneck once said on these boards 'Hell is repetition'
Mr Ed
Sep 11 2005, 10:35 AM
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Does anyone know how abso-fricking-lutely refreshing it is to see someone posting about historical conspiracies on here?
That is along the lines of what I was thinking.
Rhomphaia
Sep 11 2005, 10:40 AM
I know this is off topic, but Ed, didn't you work for some sort of organization as PR or something? I remember you stating orders to 'come clean' with it some time ago.
Back on topic, I think I heard of this event, but I am not sure. My knowledge of the particulars of british history is much like the rest of America's. Could you please enlighten us yanks about it? It sounds interesting.
Mr Ed
Sep 11 2005, 10:42 AM
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I know this is off topic, but Ed, didn't you work for some sort of organization as PR or something? I remember you stating orders to 'come clean' with it some time ago.
Ah well yes, I think it was called the NWO or something, but that was in the olden days...
Well I studied the Gunpowder Plot not long ago. I knew it pretty well, but now it is a bit hazy.
I am not quite sure what you would find interesting in particular, about it.
Rhomphaia
Sep 11 2005, 10:50 AM
Well, just the fact that I do not know too much about the history of a nation that has such a rich history, and is yet (comparitavely speaking) so close in culture to my own.
Mr Ed
Sep 11 2005, 10:55 AM
Well, here are some facts...
The court wanted war on Spain.
The king was a peacemaker, his motto was beauti pacifi, or something like that, when translated means 'blessed are the peacemakers'.
He wanted to make peace with Spain and the other Catholic countries.
The court were not happy about this.
If you believe in the validity of the theory, then it would not be outrageous to say that Robert Cecil, one of the King's favourites, masterminded the Gunpowder Plot to make Catholics look bad.
It was quite suspicious in the circumstances Fawkes was caught, it is all a bit too cosy if you see what I am saying.
As Cecil would have wanted, regardless of whose idea the plot was, Anti Catholocism increased resulting in a major act against them and increased hatred of catholics within and outside the country.
For example, Catholics were forbade from living 5 miles near London.
I think this conspiracy theory should be taken seriously.
Rhomphaia
Sep 11 2005, 12:16 PM
Given that evidence, yes it should.
A question though, what year did this take place?
On a side note, maybe there could be a subsection somewhere in here devoted to historical conspiracies, and I am talking like at least 100 years old. I for one would happily participate in a board on that.
Mr Ed
Sep 11 2005, 12:53 PM
1605, King James.
That would be cool, but I don't think that there would be many takers though.
Good idea.
Rhomphaia
Sep 11 2005, 12:55 PM
Yeah, that definately sounds like the right time frame for that sort of thing to go on, from what little I know.
I am going to try an experiment on this part of the board. Watch for a new thread in a few moments.
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