I have asked you this several times in the past and yet you always seem to not answer me. So here it goes once again, are you a self proclaimed demonologist or a licensed one?
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morgan,
I have asked you this several times in the past and yet you always seem to not answer me. So here it goes once again, are you a self proclaimed demonologist or a licensed one?
I have asked you this several times in the past and yet you always seem to not answer me. So here it goes once again, are you a self proclaimed demonologist or a licensed one?
Sorry I haven't gotten back to you on this, I'm actually not on these boards very often and I usually stick to email...
Anyways, I'm not licensed, but I'm very enthralled in the study and have been in close contact with some of the best in the field. I only chose that as my user name b/c of my involvement. Our group is out to offer our knowlege in certain fields, this was mine, so I figure it can't hurt to post what I've found out over the years.
Anyways, I'm not licensed, but I'm very enthralled in the study and have been in close contact with some of the best in the field. I only chose that as my user name b/c of my involvement. Our group is out to offer our knowlege in certain fields, this was mine, so I figure it can't hurt to post what I've found out over the years.
QUOTE(distortedpandy @ Sep 14 2005, 08:04 AM)
morgan,
I have asked you this several times in the past and yet you always seem to not answer me. So here it goes once again, are you a self proclaimed demonologist or a licensed one?
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I have asked you this several times in the past and yet you always seem to not answer me. So here it goes once again, are you a self proclaimed demonologist or a licensed one?
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I never used a ouija board and i never will. There many things that we don't know of that exist on this plane or another and personally i rather not mess with them and go through the consequences.
Plus i come from a place where you here many ghost stories or mysterious things happening and when it comes to ouija boards everyone i know has told me that its way too dangerous to use cause what you let in does not always willingly leave again and you never know when you leave some door open for more entities to come through.
Plus i come from a place where you here many ghost stories or mysterious things happening and when it comes to ouija boards everyone i know has told me that its way too dangerous to use cause what you let in does not always willingly leave again and you never know when you leave some door open for more entities to come through.
QUOTE(StalingradK @ Sep 13 2005, 05:07 PM)
Welcome to UM Redhead, but I believe a board brings more "fenece" to the situation, and trys to invoke spirits more...
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Did you mean finesse? Or am I missing your point?
I fail to see how a wooden board with the name "Parker Brothers" on it can coax a spirit into your living room. You have just as much chance of contacting one by writing the alphabet in the cat's litter box and using that. ( And don't invite me over for that session.
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Yeah finesse ... And that's my point really, using an object that you believe would attract a spirit, will be more welcoming, and you probably will feel stronger about it coming, in which case you will have a better chance. Even if it is a cat litters box... Ew...
... And that's my point really, using an object that you believe would attract a spirit, will be more welcoming, and you probably will feel stronger about it coming, in which case you will have a better chance. Even if it is a cat litters box... Ew...
I have a few thoughts on this subject.
Spirits/demons...I think there are good spirits and bad. Ones that will do you harm, and others that won't. I think there are many who desire our attention and wait for our invitation. Some don't wait. I believe a ouija board is no more dangerous than a verbal incantation. I think if you want to use one, use a circle of protection. It is dangerous to invoke any spirit to join you without knowing how to protect yourself, your home, and make them leave if need be. I think the board is a trap for the naive. People want to delve into the unknown, but before you delve, you must arm yourself with knowledge on how to deal with what you come into contact with. I summoned a spirit a year ago but I set down boundaries and have had no problems with him. He moved when I moved. When I am emotionally hurting he makes his presence known. I believe he either feeds off the intense energies, or is comforting me. I know how to make him leave but we co-exist well so I allow him to stay. For those using the board, you might be inviting something bad into your home and not realize it, thinking you're just playing around. It's serious, very serious and there are strict guidelines to talking to spirits safely. A ouija board is an open invitation. I will never have one in my home, I will instruct my children on the dangers of them as my parents did. My grandmother was a long practicing witch, my father was too but he was bad. But even my father warned, no, demanded that I never ever touch a board. I did anyway when I was a teen and nothing untoward happened. But I know the dangers...there could always be a time where something bad does happen.
Spirits/demons...I think there are good spirits and bad. Ones that will do you harm, and others that won't. I think there are many who desire our attention and wait for our invitation. Some don't wait. I believe a ouija board is no more dangerous than a verbal incantation. I think if you want to use one, use a circle of protection. It is dangerous to invoke any spirit to join you without knowing how to protect yourself, your home, and make them leave if need be. I think the board is a trap for the naive. People want to delve into the unknown, but before you delve, you must arm yourself with knowledge on how to deal with what you come into contact with. I summoned a spirit a year ago but I set down boundaries and have had no problems with him. He moved when I moved. When I am emotionally hurting he makes his presence known. I believe he either feeds off the intense energies, or is comforting me. I know how to make him leave but we co-exist well so I allow him to stay. For those using the board, you might be inviting something bad into your home and not realize it, thinking you're just playing around. It's serious, very serious and there are strict guidelines to talking to spirits safely. A ouija board is an open invitation. I will never have one in my home, I will instruct my children on the dangers of them as my parents did. My grandmother was a long practicing witch, my father was too but he was bad. But even my father warned, no, demanded that I never ever touch a board. I did anyway when I was a teen and nothing untoward happened. But I know the dangers...there could always be a time where something bad does happen.
Morgan, Amen to you. Welsome to UM. Some people just don't understand that. Invitation means a lot to me. Don't know how accurate I have been when saging myself for protection, to prevent anyone from following me home, but I do this when hunting alone or walking a cemetery. Thanks for the extra info ISIS.
I have heard inviting is a factor to some surprise visits.
I have heard inviting is a factor to some surprise visits.
I guess the reason I ever played Ouija was because I wanted to know. I'm kind of on the fence as to what I believe... but if in fact it were a device that allowed demons or spirits or whatever to enter this world, wouldn't you want to know? I guess that's why we are all here to begin with... because we want to know about the unexplained, right? It's not good enough for someone to tell me "Don't play, it's dangerous". That doesn't cut it for me.. It's like saying "don't skydive, it's dangerous". Well I think many people are willing to take risks..... those of you who think we are all idiots for taking this risk should rethink it...... if no one took risks, no one would ever discover anything, regardless of it being "good" or "bad". good and bad are based on personal moral beliefs anyways.. What one considers to be "bad" may be very different from what someone else thinks is bad.
And if these so called demons/spirits can come to us through a ouija, why couldn't they use another device???? Why is it that the ouija is soooo feared, while other methods are not? It makes no sense.
Also, if demons are really around us, why do we know so little about them? Why do only a select few claim to be experts, while the rest of us are left to figure it out using our own devices?? So don't mind some of us if we chose to explore the unexplained through ouija. Some of us are curious and do not fear it.
To be honest, I'm not sold on the idea that it is ghosts or spirits or demons that we contact through ouija .. .it could easily be psychological too. Maybe the demons are one's inner demons... i know I ramble, but this is stuff I think about sometimes. If there are other entities, or planes of existance, then i want to know.
And if these so called demons/spirits can come to us through a ouija, why couldn't they use another device???? Why is it that the ouija is soooo feared, while other methods are not? It makes no sense.
Also, if demons are really around us, why do we know so little about them? Why do only a select few claim to be experts, while the rest of us are left to figure it out using our own devices?? So don't mind some of us if we chose to explore the unexplained through ouija. Some of us are curious and do not fear it.
To be honest, I'm not sold on the idea that it is ghosts or spirits or demons that we contact through ouija .. .it could easily be psychological too. Maybe the demons are one's inner demons... i know I ramble, but this is stuff I think about sometimes. If there are other entities, or planes of existance, then i want to know.
QUOTE(morgan_demonologist @ Sep 14 2005, 12:52 PM)
Sorry I haven't gotten back to you on this, I'm actually not on these boards very often and I usually stick to email...
Anyways, I'm not licensed, but I'm very enthralled in the study and have been in close contact with some of the best in the field. I only chose that as my user name b/c of my involvement. Our group is out to offer our knowlege in certain fields, this was mine, so I figure it can't hurt to post what I've found out over the years.
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Anyways, I'm not licensed, but I'm very enthralled in the study and have been in close contact with some of the best in the field. I only chose that as my user name b/c of my involvement. Our group is out to offer our knowlege in certain fields, this was mine, so I figure it can't hurt to post what I've found out over the years.
QUOTE(distortedpandy @ Sep 14 2005, 08:04 AM)
morgan,
I have asked you this several times in the past and yet you always seem to not answer me. So here it goes once again, are you a self proclaimed demonologist or a licensed one?
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I have to say Morgan, you have so far been the most approachable 'demonologist' on the board (in my opinion) its actually quite refreshing to know you look from both sides of the fence.
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I've been reading this message board for awhile and I've seen numerous people post regarding Ouija and how it works. I posted this once before and people seemed to be taking a lot away from reading it, so I thought I'd stick it up again.
I have been a field researcher in the paranormal and specifically in demonology for over a decade and am currently with Alberta's ENTITYSEEKER/Paranormal Explorers. The majority of our emails that we recieve are people looking for assistance because they are in the first stage of a hostile spirit infestation due to playing with these devices.
Now the reason that Ouija boards are dangerous is not because the board is 'haunted' or that the board itself is 'evil'. A concept I recently explained to a client was that there is a process called The Law of Invitation. Using this, approaching a communication instrument such as a Ouija board and asking a spirit to come forth and communicate or enter the home will result in exactly that: Your new roommate. Some may use a board and not have any trouble, just as some may enter a chatroom and have no problems. But the bottom line is you don't know who you are entrusting your information to. You don't know who or if you are permitting something into your home.
Human spirits typically have no use for communicating on these devices. They are typically at peace and have other ways of letting their loved ones know they are alright. Entities, demons, evil spirits, no matter what you want to call them, linger like pedophiles on these "channels" looking for the naive and the grieving. It's a lot easier to gain someone's trust if they aren't knowlegable about how to protect themselves or if they are looking for a specific loved one. There has been cases of people having relationships with these entities over the board for over five years before entering the home and causing unlimited amounts of problems.
Opinions may differ on this subject, I can only offer my personal experience and research that I have conducted over the years.
If anyone has any questions regarding the Ouija or other communication devices regarding these subjects, please email ENTITYSEEKER or myself.
Team: entityseeker@gmail.com
Myself: nine.gates@gmail.com
Hi
I have only done ouija board a few times and I have made my own on the kitchen table with pieces of paper, but I have had a result every time. My house is around a 100 years old and although the last one I did was last night I havnt yet had any bad experiences or aftermath. I have recently become a user on this site as things that i cant explain fascinate me and draw me in a little. From reading all the bad comments on ouija board im now a little scared as to wether there could be anything in my house. If I stop doing the ouija boards now could I still be spirit free, or does something stay everytime you do one? Please write bac cheers. x
Wow! Well I used it once but for a short second. I got to scared of what would happen so I said "I cant stand this." I had never heard of it before so I thought I would try but something happened and I never touched one again. I love to watch, read, research this stuff, but I promised myself that I would never do anything like the board so, thanks for telling me this stuff that way if I never even think about getting near one. 
[font=Comic Sans Ms] I had a few friends mess around with a ouija board. Long story short, when one of them got home, all her cats were dead, including a litter of kittens.
Seems to me nothing good comes from ouija boards, seances and the like.
'Katie King' was presumably the first spirit called upon in a seance, look it up on google or something, it's pretty interesting.
If someone tried to call ME up from beyond the grave with a ouija board, I'd be pretty pissed off.
Seems to me nothing good comes from ouija boards, seances and the like.
'Katie King' was presumably the first spirit called upon in a seance, look it up on google or something, it's pretty interesting.
If someone tried to call ME up from beyond the grave with a ouija board, I'd be pretty pissed off.
Can someone recommend a "safe" procedure as to using a Ouija board, so that I can avoid unwanted/negative entities. I just bought a cool new one and I havn't used it yet. Its the one with artwork by Mike Mignola, and it totally rules! 
You can find tons of great stories here : http://www.graveaddiction.com/
When I was younger(20 years ago), all we used was the dining room table with the letters A to Z & the words "Yes" & "No" placed into a ring using Scrabble pieces. Our marker was a plain old drinking glass turned upside down where upon we would each put our finger.
We always had an open mind whilst using it as occasionally you would catch someone trying to move the glass as it would swivel and you'd know that someone was using extra force to move it to their desired location.
Anyway...what really opened our eyes & minds was a particular event that had occurred one night (my minds a bit rusty, but I'll try remember everything that happened).
We asked "Was anyone there?". The glass moved to the "Yes" word. "Who do you want to speak to?". "Carl" it wrote out. Carl became startled and removed his finger from the glass. "Who is this?" we asked. It spelt out a girls name (which I can't recall at this point in time). Carl became puzzled having not known a deceased female by this name, so he said "Where do I know you from?". "Britain" it spelt, with Carl still not having any contact with the glass. "When did you die?", he queried. The glass just glided and spelt out, "In the War". Tears began to welt in Carl's eyes as he questioned the spirit, "What is my Grandfathers middle name?". None of us knew the answer to this question, but the Spirit answered with the correct name whereupon Carl freaked, grabbed the glass and turned it upside again to......release the Spirit. Carl then began to explain to us that she was a relative that had died during one of the bombing raids and that he had seen her apparition moving down a staircase when he had visited his relatives in Britian who had told him about the ghost.
His spine wasn't the only one shivering that night!
We also had a friendly spirit named "Amanda". She loved to be told dirty jokes and she'd always reply with "Groovy Man" or "HaHa". Usually there would be only my sister and myself in the seance so we knew there would be no-one trying to manipulate the glass. Whenever Amanda was annoyed with a question, she'd make the glass move fast around the circle and it only veered through the letters and off the table only once.
I have never had any bad experiences, but I have heard stories of seances going wrong. Some of those stories I would put down to an overactive imagination due to the creepiness of the situation!
We always had an open mind whilst using it as occasionally you would catch someone trying to move the glass as it would swivel and you'd know that someone was using extra force to move it to their desired location.
Anyway...what really opened our eyes & minds was a particular event that had occurred one night (my minds a bit rusty, but I'll try remember everything that happened).
We asked "Was anyone there?". The glass moved to the "Yes" word. "Who do you want to speak to?". "Carl" it wrote out. Carl became startled and removed his finger from the glass. "Who is this?" we asked. It spelt out a girls name (which I can't recall at this point in time). Carl became puzzled having not known a deceased female by this name, so he said "Where do I know you from?". "Britain" it spelt, with Carl still not having any contact with the glass. "When did you die?", he queried. The glass just glided and spelt out, "In the War". Tears began to welt in Carl's eyes as he questioned the spirit, "What is my Grandfathers middle name?". None of us knew the answer to this question, but the Spirit answered with the correct name whereupon Carl freaked, grabbed the glass and turned it upside again to......release the Spirit. Carl then began to explain to us that she was a relative that had died during one of the bombing raids and that he had seen her apparition moving down a staircase when he had visited his relatives in Britian who had told him about the ghost.
His spine wasn't the only one shivering that night!
We also had a friendly spirit named "Amanda". She loved to be told dirty jokes and she'd always reply with "Groovy Man" or "HaHa". Usually there would be only my sister and myself in the seance so we knew there would be no-one trying to manipulate the glass. Whenever Amanda was annoyed with a question, she'd make the glass move fast around the circle and it only veered through the letters and off the table only once.
I have never had any bad experiences, but I have heard stories of seances going wrong. Some of those stories I would put down to an overactive imagination due to the creepiness of the situation!
My brother, who has since passed, told me that he played with it once & was himself thrown against the wall. Personally, there is a proper way of doing anything including using a ouija board. I had one once but seem to remember it getting thrown away. We never actually used it. If one is disrespectful and/or rude as in "gee this is fun", don't expect positive results. I see no particular reason to use one ever-dangerous or not. BUT, if I happened to decide to use one I would take every precaution. This would include excluding any potential jokers or disbelievers from the circle.
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HI Morgan...
Theoretically speaking... how doesn one do an Ouija board "safely"... how does one in theory protect oneself (besides NOT doing it lol). If someone was going to do it no matter what what would be your advice or safety tips?
If you cant dissuade them,
then check this link out ... Dispelling dangers of the Ouija Board
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Can someone recommend a "safe" procedure as to using a Ouija board, so that I can avoid unwanted/negative entities. I just bought a cool new one and I havn't used it yet. Its the one with artwork by Mike Mignola, and it totally rules!
check out this link...
Dispelling dangers of the Ouija Board
I have been walking the fence, so to speak about the whole Ouija board thing. I have used a board called Angel Talk a whole bunch of times that apparently only let the good spirits in, but im not so sure... while i used that i didnt really get any specific results... mostly spirits sending us on hunts to find things that they had left behind, such as a ring in the fire place or a tooth brush in the closet (neither of which we found). But the one time i used an acutal Ouija board i didnt get a very positive response. The spirit controlling the boared actually told us to die (among other inapropriate things). We told ourselves we wernt going to use it again. But im not so sure that its really spirits controlling the board. It could very well be that we are creating what we want to happen in our minds, and playing it out on the board, but that was definatly not what i wanted, when i got that response. I know that neither of us were consciously moving the piece (sorry, i dont remember what its called) but unconsciously, thats a different story...
Personally, I've never played with one...Or stick around when someone decides to, and I've walked out of more than one house in the past when the board came out.
Anyway, do they work? Dunno. Do they Open a portal? Don't have a clue. Are they dangerous? *shrug*. What I do know is if they do actually work, you're in by no means in control of the results, and like many things if you don't have control of it, it can hurt you.
Now, all this esoteric knowledge of "knowing what you're doing" is BS IMHO...There really is no way of knowing what you're doing, or who or what attention you're drawing to your actions...With that said I'm not saying I believe in them, but I am saying I don't know & I've met people who claim they do, but really doubt if they do. Thinking about it in that context...Why the hell am I going to trust what some entity that I can't even see says if I don't trust nut-jobs that play with Ouji boards???
Anyway, do they work? Dunno. Do they Open a portal? Don't have a clue. Are they dangerous? *shrug*. What I do know is if they do actually work, you're in by no means in control of the results, and like many things if you don't have control of it, it can hurt you.
Now, all this esoteric knowledge of "knowing what you're doing" is BS IMHO...There really is no way of knowing what you're doing, or who or what attention you're drawing to your actions...With that said I'm not saying I believe in them, but I am saying I don't know & I've met people who claim they do, but really doubt if they do. Thinking about it in that context...Why the hell am I going to trust what some entity that I can't even see says if I don't trust nut-jobs that play with Ouji boards???
For the love of God, when are people ever going to get the message that ouija boards are not a joke, why do so many people want to play with these things? It's frickin nuts if you ask me, they aren't toys, so why do people want to "play" with them, who the hell knows what their purpose is, why interfere, it's the same thing as a two year old playing with gasoline and a box of matches, WHY????????
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