I wandered into this site as i was researching the alien claw which you talk of. ( Here )
The claw you refer to is from the Gary Lowrie case which has been researched by Dr roger leir who wrote the book "the alien and the scalpel" on his surgeries on abductees/contactees/experiencers and the subsiquent removal of alien implants.
Gary lowrie has managed to obtain evidence to support his case and the claw was obtained by him due to protruding pieces of a doormat where the entity caught on the mat and left a claw behind. This was apparently done deliberately by gary lowrie in order to try and obtain some evidence. The claw is most certainly genuine as I also have obtained one in this way. It is almost identical to the gary lowrie claw though not as thick. Perhaps it is an outer claw similar to the way we have a thumb and an index finger etc. One of the things noted in the Gray lowrie claw was a central canal running through it which i have also in my specimen as i actually broke the claw in two but it is still in one piece so to speak and retains the original shape. I am a ufo experiencer and intend to have the claw analysed at some point. The claw was inside my house just at the front door. Judging by the size of it which is several inches i would assume the creature would have to be 3 feet tall. Having actually had a gray in my livingroom once, finding the claw did not surprise me. My last ufo experience was a few weeks ago. A daylight sighting. Nothing too special got the camera runninh=g but missed it by seconds.

Research indicates that ufos work in the light spectrum and go into the infra red hence they go invisible to the naked eye so maybe the ufo is still on the tape just not seeable?

I have a website which is still under construction if anyone is interested.
http://www.alienimplant.co.uk

I would like to have the claw tested using psychics with psychometric ability in order to pick up information on the alien agenda and the book which i would like to write is titled "Psychometry and the Alien". These tests though would have to be double blinded in order not to pollute the data. No point telling someone to do psychometry on an object like this and tell them where it came from beforehand.
Obviously they would not be allowed to see the object. If the D.N.A as i suspect will show up as an unknown species then the question is....

What is a 3 foot tall unknown species doing in my house?

Ok i should have expected that reply. Why am i not surprised? I keep forgetting i have had many years to come to terms with this and forget that its all very hard for people to comprehend. Well i DO have the claw and i will be posting video and images of it very shortly. Just been looking at ways to do streaming on my website. Did you actually look at my website?

Some information on how Gary Lowrie obtained the Claw.

The Aliens apparently were coming through the wall and gary lowrie was finding magnetic abnormalities. He had a gun in the closet that was so magnetic that he could take a nail throw it up in the air and it would hit the safe.

Dr Roger Leir visited the home of Gary Lowrie.
Around Garys bedroom there were some spots on the wall that were beginning to appear and Dr leir used ultra violet black light and all the spots flouresced. So he took pieces of the flourescent material and put it in plastic bags he also discovered that the hangers were all magnatized. Dr Leir used a meter and discovered that the whole wall on Garys bedroom and the daughters bedroom was magnatized.
There was a round spot about 6 feet on the lawn were nothing would grow. He used a magnetometer and that was magnetic and he took soil samples.

So gary said that "if they keep coming through the same spot on the wall then maybe i could get footprints. So he took a towel the same colour as the rug, the same colour as the carpet and on the bottom side of the towel he laminated a piece of thick tinfoil and then he put it down right in front of the wall on the floor. The next day he got up and there were 2 footprints in the tinfoil. Dr leir has casts of them. So Gary thought that this was so good that next time he would get more prints. He did it again and got nothing, then again, nothing for 2 weeks then one morning there was a scratch in the tinfoil and he said "I dont know what that is but somethings better than nothing" so he cast that too. So a few days after that he went to look in the bedroom with the towel on the floor again and into the closet and he saw something stuck into the loops of the towel, a little dark speck of something. So he picked up the towel and he looked at it and he pulled it out and looks at it. He calls up Dr Roger Leir and tells him "I found a claw in the closet, I think its a claw" Its about 3 quarters of an inch long and about 4 millimetres in diameter. And it has three black hairs growing out of it. So Dr Leir sends it to the University of California at Berkeley to the head of the Zoology departmant, and they didnt know what it was and sent a letter back to that effect. Then they took it to a primate zoologist at Sandiago Zoo and she looked at it and compared it to everything in books and said it could be a lemur, it could be a monkey grooming claw it could be a mongoos claw, it could be this and that. So she took an instrument and found a canal running from one end of the claw to the other end. She thought this was strange. So Dr leir asked her "Do you know any other primates that have a claw with a canal in it. "No" she said "But i know that there are some claws that will contain a poison gland". So Dr leir asked her "What is your opinion doctor?" and she replied "I do not know what it is." So Dr leir asked her if she was willing to put that in writing and she said yes. So she turned around in her chair, a noted primate zoologist and typed a letter saying that she did not know where it came from or what animal it belonged to.

The next stage was to start D.N.A research.

Dr leir has a friend who just happens to be a world renowned geneticist who offered to do some research for him for $5000 which is very cheap as d.n.a research is very expensive.
There was not enough in the fund to do this. At this point Bob Heronimus from the radio program Heronimus and Company stepped in and offered to give the money for the D.N.A research and so far Dr leir has stated it was looking very good.

Hi Starman,

I've moved your posts into a new thread to keep it seperate from the old claw topic, seen as it had fizzled out some time ago.

Excellent site by the way, keep up the good work, and I look forward to seeing it once it's finished.

Thanks very much saruman may i take this opportunity to say likewise.
I love your site and your forum is 1st class.

I have now made a video of the claw i found and my next stage is to try and convert it and upload it onto my website but i think it may be too large a file. I want to try and convert it to flash. I always get a strange feeling when looking at the claw i have. Infact today was the first time i have looked at it since i found it in hall rug. There were times i wanted to look at it but found myself putting it off. Strange isnt it. I also have some footage of the military helicopters that seem to be flying over my house alot these days. The one the other day was very low. Interestingly i can recall a time when i was very little where a military helicopter was hoverning over my neighbours garden for a few minutes, that was unusual. Stuck in my mind that all these years. They are going in the direction of a military base i believe as i once saw some jets come from that direction while i witnessed a UFO over my local town for 5 minutes while going for a walk one night in the late 1980s.

umm, your site is kind of scary to me. a few years ago i sprained my ankle goofing off. it had to be x rayed and the doctor asked me if i have ever had any surgery on my foot. i told him i had not and he showed me an x ray of my foot with a metallic object in it. he said i must have had surgery and dismissed it but i have not had any surgery on my foot. should i get this checked out? i also saw a UFO when i was younger. i am quite sure what i saw was a real UFO and i saw it at a distance of a couple hundred yards. my step mother was also with me, so i was not seeing things. i don't think i have any missing time, but i had no way of checking the time.

Hello Bizarro

The question really is do you want to know? I would say that with the 2 incidents, the ufo and the doctor believing that you have had foot surgery and i assume your medical records contradicting this that there is a very good indication here that you may indeed fall under the category of ufo abductee/experiencer. I do not say this lightly as not many people actually want to be categorised like this. Once you open up the lid on the box Bizarro there is no going back as i discovered. I suggest if you feel strongly enough about this that you get some x-rays done. You could contact Dr Roger Leir and he will reply to your email giving you some advice on what your next course of action should be. Alternatively you could just ignore it and carry on leading a near normal life. Is there any psychological trauma been left with you because of your ufo encounter? or does it make you feel special? If you are happy with your life just remember that you will never be able to go back to the way you were once you/if you pursue this and find out that you do indeed have an alien implant in your foot. May i have your permission to use this discussion with you on my website?



If you have medical or physical evidence

Including pictures, film, x-rays, substances, etc., that you believe
may be related to this phenomenon, please contact:


Email Dr. Leir at RKLeir1st@aol.com

Dr. Roger Lier
253 Lombard St. Suite #B
Thousand Oaks, CA
91360


website: alienscalpel.com

sure, i don't care if you use it on your website. i already had the x rays taken so i guess i could contact that doctor about getting a copy. im not necessarily convinced its alien because i might have just stepped on a nail or something(ive had lots of injuries), but i did find that comment from the doctor odd. i also have some pain in my foot and had thought of going to a podiatrist to have him look into the source.

ill let you know when i find out about the xrays.

Thanks it will be up on my site soon.

Sorry should have noticed you already had the x-rays done so obviously you just need to obtain them, my mistake. The comment the doctor made about you not having surgery is interesting because he is a qualified professional and his assessment is made on logic. But you are right to say that it could be a normal terrestrial object that you stood on etc as opposed to an extra terrestrial implant. Dr leir himself has handled many cases over the years where that is the case and it is not that uncommon but something as far as your doctor was concerned was amiss and that is what has been working on your mind since you heard about these alien implants i assume? There is only one way to find out for sure and thats to get the object out and take a look at it. There are still countless professionals in the medical professions who know absolutely nothing about this so do not assume they will have all the answers. Dr Roger leir is a pioneer in this field and performed one of the first public surgeries and that is why i gave you his contact details. I have personally emailed him in the past and found him to be a very kind and considerate man who will listen to you. Please do not be afraid to contact him.

I have uploaded an image of the claw i said i possessed. It can be seen as my avatar on the left of my posts. I think you will agree that there is a similarity to the Gary Lowrie claw which can be seen in more detail here on the famous abductee/experiencer whitley striebers website

http://www.unknowncountry.com/dreamland/?id=15

I have made a video of the claw but the size is 60 megs and is far too large for upload onto my site but this is a start.

if you save the image then open it you will see a much more detailed example of the claw. Having had atleast 8 ufo encounters that i can recall 1 of which was on board a craft and 1 which had me stand over a 3 foot gray in my livingroom i think that there is a good chance that this claw will turn out to be just what i think it is, an extra terrestrials claw or toenail. I guess i should send it off and get it analysed to confirm what i already know.

So does anyone have any opinions on my alien claw?

Umm...


Kool

Thanks for the comment UnsecureMistress
What i am looking to do though is get an opinion of the claw as regards what it looks like in comparison to other earth species. Does it look the same as any locally known species of bird for example? i live in scotland so we can rule out anything tropical for starters. A link to pictures would be helpful showing examples of this. I wondered if it had similarities to a crow for example. What do you think people? Only problem with all this though is that there is no known species of anything that has a canal running through it like the one i have so i guess thats important evidence for starters just from the point of view of science.
I would love you to prove me wrong but i doubt very much you will find any species to match the structure of the claw as none exist.

I have NO clue... it dosen't look like anything from a bird to me.. looks like you got yourself a good case there..

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Umm.. well opinion for the moment .. but i can go search up bird claws and such.. and i prolly won't find anything like that..

So what kind of creature do you think this is from? A grey/gray?

I never knew greys had claws!? So, do you think it is from another kind, perhaps?

Why would a 'gray' need a large claw like that in any case ?

Surely with a full set of those you'd expect it to be some sort of predatory animal, hunting prey for sustanance, rather than an intellectually advanced species with space-faring technology.

That is what I was thinking. Animals usually have claws when they are animals that hunt. So if this claw is off any alien, I doubt it would be a gray. Grays are usually said to have long fingers and hands anyway.

How can it, make space crafts and such with claws like that? Unless it has a an extra harm with regular fingers on.

So perhaps, if it is any alien life form, it is one that hunts for prey itself. But like SaRuMaN said, the creature would more likely hunting prey than using space technology.

Keep us posted s*t*a*r*m*a*n

I tend to agree actually. But i never did look at there feet
perhaps for climbing? We as humans after all have toenails that can grow quite considerably and we class ourselves as intelligent. Perhaps they are only one aspect to the ufo experience. They may be sort of like little helpers and not necessarily running the show. I am getting feedback from some ornithologists. I have not explained anything regarding my opinion just presented some pictures and asked there opinion of it. I await the results. But one person who is not an ornithologist but has a good background working with birds thinks it could either be part of a crows claw or an animal but wishes to see it in a higher resolution. So that is the next stage. I should point out though that an eminent scientist also thought similar of the Gary Lowrie claw until it was actually studied at the lab and she concluded it was unknown due to the nature of the canal running through it like the one i have. There is no species in the d.n.a database existing on this species.

Wow, I've doctored photos before... but I've never actually built a prop.

Doctored photos? what does that mean? I also have video going up on my site soon at http://www.alienimplant.co.uk which is just a short video of me showing the claw as i unwrap it from its coverning and in the background dr roger leir is talking of the gary lowrie case and shows a picture and d.n.a samples on my Television. So it has some nice commentary

No no, I don't mean that I think your picture is doctored. Im saying that I'VE doctored photos, but I think you've made your claw. Maybe you didn't literally make the claw in substance, but you kind of made it in your mind. You know, you seem pretty certain what it is, without any real reason to think so. Maybe you needed something really different in your life, you know, needed something to believe in. I mean, it kind of looks like a piece of poop picked up from someones yard. A video of it being unwrapped isnt essential. Hey, it may be real, who knows. Im just saying, should you really let it take such a prominent role in your life, just in case? I mean, you seem to be taking this very seriously, it's your avatar for petes sake. You're having footage made of its unwrapping. Maybe a foot a few inches closer to the real world couldn't hurt.

Then again, people have different mind sets. My mind may be a few degrees more towards science than blind faith. That may cause me to miss out on the more supernatural side of life, but it would keep me from being fooled as easily. Its a toss up. If your tooth/claw is real, my way of thinking will always blind me from appreciating and understanding what that means. But if your claw isn't real, your way of thinking will blind you from seeing that as well. It's more sensible to feel that it's not an alien claw, when there are a million more logical conclusions. But then again, it's not as much fun to think that way.

Some research results are up on my website about the claw. It does not appear to be a member of the corvid family of which there are 115. Crows and magpies are part of the corvid species and are common in my area but it is not corvid.

" Looks like it could either be part of a crow's claw or part of a dog's claw"
was the first comment followed by
"I couldn't load the second photo, but I still think it's either canine or corvine"
then "And because it's not curved enough for a corvid (however, that doesn't mean the claw couldn't have been broken and worn down at some point), and because it's got the rough markings on it - like a dog's toenail pulled out and down."

"HOWEVER, it could also be some other species entirely"

"Since its really small I am going to have to say some sort of songbird or perhaps a small mammal - squirrel, perhaps? Looks like a claw? "

I replied:
"are you saying that you think the sample based on size could theoretically be about the height of a cat? what type of cat? lemur or ordinary domestic cat? Could it be as high as 3 feet tall if standing upright? If i assume for argument sake that the claw is one of the toes on my feet, in your opinion could it support the weight of a creature if said entity was standing upright at for example 3 feet tall?"

"Hard to tell, starmanuk. . .hard to tell, without said sample in my hand, that is. . . "

"100.....100 !!!!! How did this thread reach 100??....
This stupid,, pointless, ridiculous thread!!!
With all the incredible pictures and opinions that have been posted on this website, how did this garbage reach 100 replies??
Perhaps symbolic of this world, and a good lesson on how much of everybodys time can be wasted by one person on NOTHING!!!!"


My research is ongoing:
full thread can be found here:
http://www.bdsc07177.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/.../demo/link4.htm

starman, you are asking the wrong questions. You ask "how can so many people let their time be wasted on NOTHING?" or something to that effect.

You forget what website you are on.

This is EXACTLY the place for that sort of thing.

May I ask a serious question?

s*t*a*r*m*a*n, what objective evidence is there for this being an alien claw, beyond it having, thus far, a murky provenance ?

sounds like someone's never seen an alien claw before.

Well without D.N.A tests the results will always be inconclusive but the opinion seems to be that people cannot agree what it is. The same thing happened to the Gary Lowrie claw interestingly enough. It was classed as various mammals before the zoologist concluded it was an unknown species.

To cut a long story short:

Feather states "Without a DNA test, we cannot be 100% sure of its origin"
and that basically sums up the opinions of various people who are very familiar with ornithology in general. Research is ongoing though. Just wish I still had that Implant but I threw it in the bin, not that uncommon apparently. Did not know at the time what it was though. So I guess now I am very suspicious of unusual objects lying about my house that are unexplaned or a little unusual. I realise that evidence does exist after extra terrestrial visitations if you know what to look for.

I believe that there is some REAL HARD PHYSICAL EVIDENCE been left regarding the Gary Lowrie case, something to do with a floating ball or something along those lines and apparently they have it but I have heard absolutely nothing more on this. Hey maybe I will get a hold of one

So thus far the evidence for it being an alien claw is either anecdotal or circumstancial. Concluding that something is of an unknown species does not automatically make it alien in origin, as I'm sure you realise.

I can well believe you are in possession of a 'claw', but I fail to make the connection with extra-terrestrial lifeforms beyond it being in your house after an alleged 'abduction experience'.

That is the purpose of the research, To see if there is a connection or not as the case may be. I only go on the assumption that it may be extra terrestrial and take it from there. If i was to just assume like 99% of people out there that it was a bird claw and throw it out then i would not be a very good ufo investigator. I have discovered that i cannot pinpoint what species it is and this is interesting. If it were extra terrestrial i would expect this result. I am not saying it is extra terrestrial but i am saying that under the circumstances that in all probability it could be. The probability is high as i am a ufo experiencer having had close encounters all my life and of a contact nature. Also having discovered real physical evidence in the past which i had in my hand namely an implant i would say that it is highly likely given the circumstances in how the claw was found that it is indeed of extra terrestrial origin. As I stated though, research is ongoing. D.N.A testing would solve this dilemma either way but that costs money. I know there are ways and means to do this but I am taking it one step at a time. I am in phase 1 of my research.

Well apparently it's a mollusc ...........Link..

Case Closed...??

Lol Benjo , that reminds me school holidays just started ....

Do you mean should I be at school? If so then the answer is "No". Cause I am at College now, well not at this minute but...you know This is free time and I am at home.

If you didn't mean that, then ignore this.

Lol no Benjo I know your almost grown up I meant we must be expecting the immenent return of our younger users . Which I know the moderators are looking forward too .

Best not mention any names...?

Off to do some reading now. See ya!

Yes it would appear that the Gary Lowrie claw sample was a dried mollusk though analysis is still ongoing with his case and all the other evidence that is being presented. The actual results you linked to actually come from the National institute of Discovery Science. My claw aint dried and it aint a snail thats for sure. and it must be a mighty big bird to have a claw like that. No i do not think in my case it is case closed, far from it but then i know that i am telling the truth about my extra terrestrial encounters even if you can only believe that i believe it. It does not matter, what matters is that I get to the truth and that is a lifetimes work. I think my claw looks more like a real claw than the lowrie claw and it is absolutely not dried up. Oh and it IS A CLAW by the way and not something that just looks like one. I only have to look at it to know that. Ofcourse they did discover some unknown genes in the lowrie sample that appeared in hindsight to be extra terrestrial and that is why they could not come to a conclusion so easily. Hey if all this claw stuff turns out to be a stray rabbit that ran into my house briefly one day while i was emptying the bin and then ran back out and up to its habbitat miles away from where i live then fine. hey maybe its a hedgehog? they waddle about late at night, damn i must have left the front door open before i went to bed because it certainly was not there the night before. must be one quick hedgehog , hey wait a minute it could have been that mystery dog that got into my house without me seeing it or maybe its just dried up pooo as someone suggested, yes thats it EUREKA it must be dog poo, hey I aint got a dog

innocent untill proven guilty
i have not seen any claw similar to that on any earthly creature. and i have read extensively into the alien phenomenon , i think it is quite possible that the claw could be from a grey....my question is : what the hell was it doing to loose a claw?

oh , hey starman i have a nonfiction ebook written by an ex military/nsa officer
that gives up a little bit about whats going on with the greys and the government if youre interested in it.. ill pm you my email addy if you want to transfer it on msn messenger

Dont look like a claw to me. looks more like a black finger.

UniversalAbsurdity you have sent a shiver down my spine.
How long have you been researching ufology?
Well i guess it could be a black finger but i recon its from a foot as it had caught in one of the rug threadings which were pretty bad, unless it was crawling about on the ground. The rug was full of loose threads in loop shapes and i guess it just got tugged off. Does anyone have opinions on whether the Greys have a thing about cats? Its just that i think the claw thing was happening at the front door of my house but my early experience of the grey in my livingroom and me being guided out the back door to my garden was at the time when i did not have any cats during that short period and i just wondered if there is any relevence? perhaps if the cat was discovered outside when it should have been in the house locked up that would be strong evidence of something happening, not that it did happen but perhaps cats cannot be controlled or put into trance? as i believe happens to humans under very close encounters episodes? Just an idea. Perhaps it is biological.

They ran the tests and discovered it was a mollusc , your boring day to day run of the mill shell fish with out the shell and a little drier ......

Yes thanks for that kismit, i did gather that. But it does not really destroy 60 odd years of data being collated on this phenomena and it still does not include my claw sample. The point being mine is not a dried up mollusk, there is still plenty of data on the lowrie case to be studied as of yet and research is ongoing on a scientific level. You cannot rule anything out when dealing with extra terrestrial encounters as gary lowrie new too well. It is easy to see why he thought what he did after all it does look like a claw.

"Aliens" are actually human. Remember how we used to be large hairy creatures, then over time we became smaller, lost our hair, our colour, our muscle mass, and our heads became larger, while our noses become smaller and largely redundant. So eventually we end up like that. The eyes are the way they are largely due to having to live in space since the sun only has about 13 hundred years left, so they have to adapt to the lower level of light.
They come from a parallel universe exactly the same as this, although they may think that they are time traveling if they didnt figure that part out. This is one of the reasons why they blank out peoples memories, so that they dont interfere with their own future. The reason why they come here and do tests is because they are tring to figure out what went wrong with our genes.
So try an experiment, print this out and leave it somewhere that can be seen if they pay you a visit, if they contact you personally then I can put them in touch with the people that have the solution to their problem. Not only can they stop the degeneration, but they can restore those that are already like that back to how humans are now. Put a large heading alien time travellors, what have you got to lose. I dont know if they will trust us, but hey next year they will have to.

s*t*a*r*m*a*n......?

What is the lastest news on the claw?

He's getting awful defensive about it not being a snail...from where I sit his "claw" looks the same as the other.....so I wonder how he's gonna take it when his snail is discovered as a snail....BTW aliens don't exisit.