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Rainbow Rowan
To tell you the truth, I wouldn't even know what it is. But I do have a New Scientist Magazine sitting here with String Theory on the cover....

I should say 'entities' to artymoon's question.
artymoon
that's cool, I don't either. But it sounds as good as anything else out there.
Yelekiah
You seem like the type of person who would be interested in it. It pieces together quantum theory and general relativity and states that there are at least ten separate dimensions, etc..
Any way, about angels, aliens and god, one reason is the word Nephilim. Nephi means Orion, so the Nephilim means those from Orion.
We can go on and on about aliens and gods and angels. But now back to the Egyptians...
artymoon
I take it you have a deep connection to Egypt?
Yelekiah
lol, I just suck in the info like a sponge. It's an interesting culture.
artymoon
modern or ancient?
Yelekiah
Ancient over modern any day. The Ancient Egyptians in a sense, were very advanced. Did you check out a lot of the earlier posts and pics? If so, you'll see what I mean.
artymoon
I haven't. I will though. I'm short on time tonight. Thanks for your input. Until next time.
Yelekiah
See you then.
Nitetalon
QUOTE(Yelekiah @ Sep 23 2005, 09:58 PM) [snapback]859463[/snapback]

See you then.


Do you have a link or some info about this string theory?
Rainbow Rowan
try this link and then find the article you wish to read:

http://www.newscientist.com/search.ns?doSe...y=string+theory
Yelekiah
QUOTE(Nitetalon @ Sep 24 2005, 11:15 AM) [snapback]860058[/snapback]

Do you have a link or some info about this string theory?

I apologize for being off-topic, but Greene has an excellent book on it called The Elegant Universe. Here's a bit of info, but Greene's book is better with
nice pics and concepts, along with the history of it.
http://www.nuclecu.unam.mx/~alberto/physics/string.html
Rainbow Rowan
Back to the subject: seems unusual that you could have seen the pyramid all covered in it's white reflective polished stone, from the moon. It would seem that it would be like Orions belt from space looking down to earth. What would be the purpose of that, except a beacon to other's flying up there??
Yelekiah
Right, or even like a tribute.
Rainbow Rowan
Is it a map back to the planet where our creators (if you beleive in that - each to their own decision) might have come from?
Yelekiah
It wouldn't surprise me with all the "gods from the skies" and the alignment with Orion, etc. In a lot of ways, it makes sense.
Rainbow Rowan
Once one beleives in aliens as our creators everything actually falls into place with history, DNA, crop circles, religion, science, etc. It is really a perfect link to every mystery....

(well, that's what I think anyway, and I have been searching for years for that 'truth')
isis-999
Just a footnote you guys may find pretty neat: You can see the Great Wall of China from space as well, The reason being it too is so large. wink2.gif
GreyWeather
QUOTE(isis-999 @ Sep 25 2005, 01:29 PM) [snapback]860983[/snapback]

Just a footnote you guys may find pretty neat: You can see the Great Wall of China from space as well, The reason being it too is so large. wink2.gif


actually, its proven that you can't. a chinese astonought (sp?) who orbited the earth a few years ago, stated that he couldn't see the great wall of china.

sad.gif would have been pretty cool if you could though
JoeBean24
QUOTE(isis-999 @ Sep 22 2005, 05:14 AM) [snapback]856267[/snapback]

It was the men of egypt who built them, and no one else... wink2.gif

I am in agreement there is no great mystery to it, it all is within the range of human technology at the time period i have studied ancient history at my university and also on my own enough to know that.
Yelekiah
Well of course the Egyptians made them, but the mystery is WHY can't we recreate them today. We do not have the technology to do so to lift the stones. There are links earlier in the thread.
TheGreatWhiteHorse
QUOTE(Leliel @ Sep 25 2005, 01:33 PM) [snapback]861205[/snapback]

actually, its proven that you can't. a chinese astonought (sp?) who orbited the earth a few years ago, stated that he couldn't see the great wall of china.

sad.gif would have been pretty cool if you could though


It is certainly true. From low-earth orbit many things are visible from space. The great wall isnt the only thing though. The German system of superhighways, for example, are visible as well.

The astronauts aboard the Space Station just reported seeing it recently.
Essan
I daresay Holland is visible from space too - most of that is man-made wink2.gif
isis-999
QUOTE(Yelekiah @ Sep 25 2005, 05:44 PM) [snapback]861519[/snapback]

Well of course the Egyptians made them, but the mystery is WHY can't we recreate them today. We do not have the technology to do so to lift the stones. There are links earlier in the thread.


Dear we have done just that..only they used a smaller scale to show how it was done..I will try to find some information on it for you.. I seen it on the history channel but i am sure it's on the net somewhere.... wink2.gif
SurfX805
How were the Pyramids were built?
Unfortunately, there are no existing plans on how the pyramids of Egypt were built. However many Egyptologists and scientists have made educated guesses and calculations regarding their construction. We can make an assumption of how they were constructed, but only the ancient Egyptians will ever know for certain how they achieved such wonderful monuments.

Preparing the Site.
The first step to building a pyramid would have been to chose a suitable site, which must be on the west side of the Nile. The west was were the sun set and the ancient Egyptians believed that was were the dead entered the Underworld. Each year the Nile would perform its annual flood so the site also had to be on slightly higher ground to prevent the flood waters from reaching the pyramid. But the site still had to be near enough to the Nile so that it could be used to transport the mighty stone blocks which would be used in the pyramid's construction.

The site also had to have a firm rock base in order to support the tremendous weight of the pyramid, without the risk of subsidence and thus cracking the pyramid, or indeed causing it to collapse altogether.

Finally, the site had to be near enough to the capital city in order for the Pharaoh to inspect the building work whenever he wished.

Each side of the pyramid had to face one of the cardinal points (north, south, east and west). In order to ensure this the workers calculated true north, probably by using a certain star and observing the rising and setting of the star. The rising and setting positions would have been marked on an artificial horizon and, by bisecting the angle made, would obtain a north-south line. Once they had achieved a north-south line they would quite easily have found east and west, using right angle instruments we know existed.

The base of the pyramid also had to be perfectly square, with the four sides exactly the same length and the corners perfect right angles. Again, using basic mathematics this would have been relatively straight forward for the pyramid builders.

Once a suitable site was chosen, the workers would have prepared a firm foundation by removing loose sand and stones from the rock. The rock base had to be perfectly flat. In order to achieve this it is thought that the workers would have used a method whereby they built a small mud wall around the the base, cutting channels in a grid pattern over the base surface. Then they would have filled the channels with water and marked the area the water reached. After the water was drained away they would cut any protruding rock to the level indicated by the water, and any depressions would have been filled with stones, thereby creating a perfectly flat surface.

Raising the Pyramid
The exact method of raising the pyramid is not known. Several theories exist but, as there are no known records or texts regarding the construction process, all they remain is theories.

Pulleys
We can safely rule out the use of pulleys. We know that pulleys were not invented until Roman times, well after the pyramids were built.

Ramps
One theory is that a ramp was built as the pyramid grew, allowing the workers to transport the huge building blocks up to the latest level of the pyramid. The only problem with this theory is that as the pyramid grew, the ramp would have to become longer and longer, otherwise the angle of the ramp would be too steep for practical use. By the time the pyramid was taking on shape, the ramp would have to stretch far out into the desert. There is no evidence to support this theory, no pieces of ramps have ever been found at pyramid sites.

Another theory is that the ramp would wind around the pyramid as it grew, rather than stretch out into the desert, somewhat similar to modern day scaffolding. This would require less building and most experts agree that this is the likely method of pyramid construction, although, as mentioned previously, there is no surviving evidence to support this theory.

However the pyramids were constructed, one thing we do know. They are impressive structures which have stood the test of time. The engineers of the day were far more advanced in mathematics, geometry, architecture and construction than we really can imagine for a civilization so old. The pyramids are an enigma, but that is also true of their builders.

Or you could be a conspiritist and say
alien.gif built them...
Yelekiah
QUOTE(isis-999 @ Sep 26 2005, 10:35 AM) [snapback]862195[/snapback]

Dear we have done just that..only they used a smaller scale to show how it was done..I will try to find some information on it for you.. I seen it on the history channel but i am sure it's on the net somewhere.... wink2.gif

We cannot recreate a duplicate of the same size. We cannot lift the heaviest stones on the Great Pyramid with our technology. It's a max.
Osira
sorry, my bad again what is the Hall of records?


BTW it's cool to see that this thread is still alive and kickin'
Yelekiah
QUOTE(Osira @ Sep 26 2005, 06:44 PM) [snapback]862739[/snapback]

sorry, my bad again what is the Hall of records?

There's a thread on it either on the first or second page. It's lurking around here somewhere (Edgar Casey believed it was underneath the left paw of
the Sphinx).
Osira
QUOTE(Yelekiah @ Sep 26 2005, 11:53 AM) [snapback]862669[/snapback]

We cannot recreate a duplicate of the same size. We cannot lift the heaviest stones on the Great Pyramid with our technology. It's a max.

They couldn't even duplicate a sized down model of the pyramids, The dimensions were way-way off!
Osira
QUOTE(Yelekiah @ Sep 26 2005, 12:47 PM) [snapback]862743[/snapback]

There's a thread on it either on the first or second page. It's lurking around here somewhere (Edgar Casey believed it was underneath the left paw of
the Sphinx).

Could I have possibly mistaken the ark of the covenant as the hall of records, I remember saying that it would be found under the lions paw. The sphinx has the body of a lion that seems to make sense to me, but still no explination of the sphinx's head being human. I don't know?
Yelekiah
lol, they were way off, it was awful!
The Egyptians knew how to align things, it's all very impressive.

Yeah, I think that's what happened, it's somewhere around here.
GhostHunter79
In my opinion the pyramids were created by us
I think there is a memory we have stored deeply within us
of the "otherside" and the arcritect that we have there will carry with us to thedimension we call "Life"

M w00t.gif
Yelekiah
QUOTE(GhostHunter79 @ Sep 26 2005, 06:54 PM) [snapback]862751[/snapback]

In my opinion the pyramids were created by us


M w00t.gif

I believe we created the pyramids as well. Have you checked out this entire thread BTW? We were discussing Ancient Egyptian technology. It's all very strange.
GhostHunter79
Intersting Ancient Egyptian technology
hmmm I will have to check it out yes.gif
Osira
I wonder why they decided not to record how they built it! I don't see why they'd decide not too, i don't think it was supposed to be top secret or anything seeing as how its sitting right in the middle of the desert... but then again area 51 is just sitting in the desert. I really doubt it was top secret though. I wonder if there might be records elsewhere of how they were built?
Yelekiah
QUOTE(Osira @ Sep 26 2005, 07:09 PM) [snapback]862767[/snapback]

I wonder why they decided not to record how they built it! I don't see why they'd decide not too, i don't think it was supposed to be top secret or anything seeing as how its sitting right in the middle of the desert... but then again area 51 is just sitting in the desert. I really doubt it was top secret though. I wonder if there might be records elsewhere of how they were built?

Supposedly the secret was in the Hall of Records. However, I believe that if there was ever a hall of Records, it doesn't exist anymore.
You see casey predicted that there was something beneath the Sphinx. Many years later, a Japanese team (used a sonogram?) found that there actually was something below it. There were two rooms found, one in front of the Sphinx, and one tunnel below it. The one below it, which was on the History channel, showed that there was a pool of water on the left portion of the room. However, Egyptian authorities banned teams from further excavations, saying it was harming the Sphinx.
Osira
QUOTE(Yelekiah @ Sep 26 2005, 01:14 PM) [snapback]862772[/snapback]

Supposedly the secret was in the Hall of Records. However, I believe that if there was ever a hall of Records, it doesn't exist anymore.
You see casey predicted that there was something beneath the Sphinx. Many years later, a Japanese team (used a sonogram?) found that there actually was something below it. There were two rooms found, one in front of the Sphinx, and one tunnel below it. The one below it, which was on the History channel, showed that there was a pool of water on the left portion of the room. However, Egyptian authorities banned teams from further excavations, saying it was harming the Sphinx.

Even if there was a hall of records... why would they hide it? what other records is suposedly within the hall of records?
Yelekiah
I'm not so sure that the Egyptian authorities were hiding it. There were foreign excavators. I'm sure they were sick of foreigners tampering with ancient monuments and what not.
Brady
QUOTE(Leliel @ Sep 22 2005, 05:11 AM) [snapback]856492[/snapback]

they were built by the loyal people of the pharoah. and in return, he fed them and gave them drink, for free. also he gave them good sleeping quarters (sp?)

no slaves were involved (or perhaps a few, im not sure) only the loyal people of the pharoah built the pyramids.

Edgar Casey(arebookstore.com) said in 1920 that they were built to match Orion's stars 10,000 years back,which computers have shown it to be posible when they aline with Orion's Belt back then. That would place them before the flood. alien.gif
JoeBean24
i believe the pyrmids were created in a logical manner all earlier civilizations use dthe same basic design principals because the structure was simple and made sense, although we cannot solve perhaps how the heaviest stones were moved that does not mean aliens or any other creatures were at work on the structures.
Yelekiah
QUOTE(Brady @ Sep 26 2005, 10:13 PM) [snapback]862949[/snapback]

Edgar Casey(arebookstore.com) said in 1920 that they were built to match Orion's stars 10,000 years back,which computers have shown it to be posible when they aline with Orion's Belt back then. That would place them before the flood. alien.gif

Wasn't it closer to 10, 500 years? I could be wrong. Anyway, at that time, Orion was lowest in the sky and that's why it would have a more accurate alignment. And not just to Orion, but Sirius as well.
Yelekiah
Are you referring to the Sphinx? Supposedly that was at a time when there was heavy rainfall, which explains the erosion. But the pyramids?
BTW, I don't think all of Casey's predictions were correct.
§a§§av
QUOTE(isis-999 @ Sep 21 2005, 11:14 PM) [snapback]856267[/snapback]

It was the men of egypt who built them, and no one else... wink2.gif


For me I wish to give the Egyptians some credit for building the Pyramids, but I am open to the fact that they could have been helped. Although an Empire lasting 3000 years is quite a lot time to be lasting without any outside help, but it is possible that it was just sheer luck that the Egyptian Empire lasted for so long.
Essan
We could build an exact replicate of the Great Pyramid today, using only the technology known to have been available to the Egyptians.

In fact, I'll do it!

But first I need you lot to find me 10,000 volunteers willing to spend at least 4 months a year for the next 20 years hauling stones for me. They'll need to do exactly what I tell them and in return they'll be fed and housed but will receive no pay. Oh, and many of them will probably die whilst working for me.

What?

No volunteers?


Aha, so that's why we can't recreate the pyramids today........ yes.gif
Frosty
QUOTE(Yelekiah @ Sep 26 2005, 04:53 PM) [snapback]862669[/snapback]

We cannot recreate a duplicate of the same size. We cannot lift the heaviest stones on the Great Pyramid with our technology. It's a max.


Why exactly would anyone want to lift those stones?
Yelekiah
QUOTE(Frosty @ Sep 28 2005, 12:50 AM) [snapback]864369[/snapback]

Why exactly would anyone want to lift those stones?

To see if they could challenge themselves perhaps.
isis-999
Guy's a small scale pyrmad was all ready built to show the Egyptian's did it.. So there would be no reason to kill all those men trying to build a bigger one. no.gif
Yelekiah
lol, right. But I'd love to see them try and build a duplicate with accurate dimensions, lifting those heavy stones with the technology we have. Can't be done.
Frosty
QUOTE(Yelekiah @ Sep 28 2005, 06:01 AM) [snapback]864494[/snapback]

lol, right. But I'd love to see them try and build a duplicate with accurate dimensions, lifting those heavy stones with the technology we have. Can't be done.



Again, why would anyone want to lift the stones? There is nothing to suggest that in order to build a pyramid that the stones must be lifted.
Yelekiah
QUOTE(Frosty @ Sep 28 2005, 12:48 PM) [snapback]864938[/snapback]

Again, why would anyone want to lift the stones? There is nothing to suggest that in order to build a pyramid that the stones must be lifted.

Well if you want to get a say...70 ton stone up more than 400 ft, I think it's obvious it has to be lifted.
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