By all means, continue musing. We've found out that there was cocaine and nicotine in Ancient Egyptian mummies, supposedly before traveling long distances in boats, etc. Found out that they were skilled surgeons, so I wouldn't be shocked. We have to rewrite history often.

LOL with a chuckle on the side ....... "place not too much faith in this my son , for it is too young"

Hi ..my first post here ...

pi , the golden mean and advanced knowledge of astronomy are apparent in the construction of the pyramid. Such is the mathematical and astronomical language that permeates the structures and culture of the "pyramid builders' !!

Seems like the same folk have been "here" for longer than what we call "re-corded history".

Seems also that they like to keep their religion and it's knowledge ...ummmm.....concealed ..

the concealment takes many shapes and forms from the rituals and learnings of the masons ...the kabbalah , sacred hindu texts , the bible ...the list goes on .......... and on


Do "they" still exist ??? i believe "they" do .....and i believe they built London , Paris and Washington to name just a few.

I believe the more "radical" elememts of this "star worshipping religion" are behind much of the "terror"" we see in our world today.

We were taught about Lucifer as kids in a xtian country ....each culture has it's own version of the "nasty secret misanthropic religion". I say the "nasties" are just another player in inter-necine strife that is as eternal as ...."the son's of light" vs "the son's of darkness" ....

Lets start with Fibonacci .... it's an easy place to start ....

Is the eye of Horus etc etc ...... in fact a "multi levelled" symbolism ....

a>the master/slave relationship known in Egypt ??
b>a symbol of the overarching preponderance in nature of "the fibonacci series" (i.e. sunflowers , the nautilus shell.
c>an illusion to the i)precession of the equinox, the plaedian cycle of 26000 years.
ii)pattern formed by venus/sun conjunctions and (more properly)transits across the face of the sun . which , in turn , forms the basis of the ancient legend/myth of lucifer/hesepheres/ venus

would you like to see the "goats head" in a "fibonacci table" ??

I can show it to you and how it directly relates to what i've said above ...... and i can show you that these "goat head worshippers" use astrology to determine their timetable ......

Sure, I'm game, lol.

Have you read the entire thread BTW?

think about the legend/myth of Sirius rising in the east as a way to predict the flooding of the Nile ...and of the "Head" coming to rule both kingdoms....


at the same time in our "precessional" astronomy ...the "head of Taurus" (as we call it" has moved in the sky to a point more closely "aligned" with the body of Orion).

Just above this point in the sky , very close to "the gate of man" is where venus transits the face of the sun every time ...worth noting the symbolism associated with the fact the every time this transit takes place venus is retrograde ...... this transit and the retrograde motion involved describe "the bunny ears" legend associated with both Easter and Lucifer .....

again this all points to worship of the stars and mathematics ..... pythagoreans was another name used ....

would you like to see the maps of the "tree of "life" in Londons layout ....the "pentagram , hexagram , septagram and nonagram encoded into Washington's layout" ..... complete with "cleopatra's needle" ??

i wont lie ...i skimmed it ..pretty quickly ...there are many divergent ideas and threads ..... thought a sideline on what was obvious might balance the left brained.

here's your spreadsheet ... i'll post the instructions on how to replicate it in the next post

Some of what you are talking about is not new to me, but I'm dying to ask WHERE DID YOU GET ALL THIS!!!

lol, I assure you there are some links for the left-brained on here, but there's no such thing as too many. So go ahead.

The Greeks were the ones who developed Pi to two decimal places, 3.14, which is what is generally used in schools and taught. Many cultures including the Hebrews who mention that Pi is exactly 3 in the bible had values of Pi, but not as accurate as the Greeks.

I also failed to ask Yelekiah, what makes you say we do not have the technology to lift 200 ton stones? Do you mean technology on hand, which I agree with, or do you mean technology that cannot be created to do so, which I do not agree with?

The speadsheet is easy

1> list the first 33 (!!??!!) fibonacci numbers along Row "1" and Column "a" ..... 1 , 2 , 3 , 5 , 8 , 13 , etc etc

2> tabulate the chart as factors

3> colour code each cell according to the last digit in the number.(hint: use the "mod" function ...and "conditional formatting")

4>reduce column width / row height until it "pixelates" itself .... there is a lot in this spreadsheet ...i've pointed out the obvious

Cute goat. What are your thoughts on the pyramids?

Yikes! Did I say 200? I meant over 300 ton stones, sorry for the mistake. I meant the technology that they were using to build that small scale pyramid. The dimensions were off. And they didn't have that to lift the heavy stones over 300 tons.

So what are you saying Yekeliah, that we cannot build the machines to lift a 300 ton object 400 ft in the air or that we can't lift a 300 ton object?

The time that they were doing the scaled pyramid, they couldn't lift it to almost 500 feet in the air, since it could break the machine, for example.

What i am going to put forward here over the next few weeks will convince you that pi was not only calculated much further and well before the greeks ..... but here is a tickler ...


What if a circle had "other" than 360 degrees??

What if the fibonacci Numbers also fit the mayan calender and their "super numbers

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And the smaller scale had no precision, unlike the Egyptian one. Bad alignment, etc.

So you don't thik that we could be the machines to lift a 300 ton stone hundreds of feet into the air no matter how hard we try?

Of course not! Eventually we can, it's just dangerous. It's just Egyptologists wondered how the Egyptians did that.

I am already convinced that the Greeks (Archimedes) developed pi further and better than those before them. That's what I said and I'm sticking to it, so thanks for the evidence.

divide a circle in 9 ...... join points 3 , 6 , 9 in an equilateral triangle .....

join the other points in this order ..... 1 , 4, 2, 8, 5, 7 ..... does the sequence look familiar ...is the septagon created in the middle ringing any bells ??

i'm old !!!

Call me crazy but this would mean xn=3. Hopefully your (text)book isn't suggesting xn is pi. So what exactly is xn? It doesn't reappear in the other pages.

Sequence looks familiar but am I suppose to disregard the 6 and the 9? No, the septagon in the middle does not ring any bells.

yeah the syntax ain't real good is it .... it's trying to describe the generation of fibonacci numbers ...each is the sum of it's two immediate pedecessors.

Xn is a sum of the two numbers X[n-1] + X[n-2]

How's that ???

The ratio of any two sequential fibonacci numbers is "always approaching" the golden mean

Pi works in a similar fashion .... these numbers have simlar qualities ...that is why they were worshipped ....as opposed to just observed and used

yeah ...the residual "142857" appears to have been used .... 3.142 ... that's the nature of these numbers ..the closer you look the bigger they get ......

almost like the "red-shift" ...or ...looking down a worm-hole or ....looking to the "big bang" or emergence of time ( i'm not fond of big bang , i use it here to illustrate what the "gypo's" may have pondered)


To that end .... what did they observe in space?? .... when we consider the knowledge of the dogon's (that Sirius was a triple star!! ) ....who discovered or refined pi becomes irrelevent ...and i mean no insult to archimedes or the greeks.

These guy's worshipped stars as deities .... and included themselves as "part of" the deity.

These guy's are still around !!

They concealed , and continue to conceal .... their beliefs .. and their identities.

They are clever !!

Here's a pic of where these venus transits occur ..... take a look at the surroundings .....the "head of Taurus" , Orion , The "gate of man" ...there are other significants related to this are of the sky.

That is interesting and I have heard of other such 'patterns' as they were taught to me in high school. Not sure if you would call the means to aquire the golden ratio a pattern or not. But it is late here in the US, so I will follow up everything else tomorrow.

so ...looks to me that the head of taurus crossing the ecliptic was important to the "gypo's" ....i offer so was a lot of other things

I also offer that whoever built these things ...had "slaves" .......

Where does that leave Washington ?? and indeed us ??

Let me guess, are you talking about the Coptics, or some other mystery school, or aliens? I presume you must be talking about the masons for they also are familiar with phi, as were the egyptians, and the mystery schools of ancient egypt feature in their rituals, and have ties with Washington.

Fill me in with more of your info. Like I said it rings lots of bells with info I have also read. But I probably wouldn't be able to add any more than what you have already presented in your rich texts.

Please Explain!!!

(PS I'm also an Aussie - from Brissy)

Who needs a machine when you have humans to do the work for you?

yeah ... all them and more ....but that is just me joining dots



LOL flattery indeed ... [/sarcasm]

Those viewing holes ...... at what degree do they intercept "their targets" ??

I also need to read up !!


If i've been brash? with the way i've presented sh** ...my apologies.

I'm trying to point out how young the pyramids are ; and that i reckon all the mystery schools and mainstream religions we see today are young as well !!

I reckon i'm on to something !!

The first thing i should do is re-read what i skimmed over and see what other info is up there ...some of it has possible tie-ins with what i'm saying.

Here's a dumb "off-topic-ish" q for you all !!

Q: what was pulling pharoah's chariots when he chased the Israelites across the Red Sea ??
[hint]"....all the livestock even unto pharoah's house ...."


Melbourne here ...got rellies in GC

It always saddens me to hear people say that they think the Pyramids were built by aliens or some sort of "strange race". It also saddens me to hear that they were built by slaves. They were not. The beautiful pyramids (and yes, I have seen them and entered many times!), were built by the hard work and genius of the Egyptian people - NO ONE else!

then how do you explain the Bible mentioning the Hebrews being Egyptian slaves and being required to make bricks? what, i ask, do you think those bricks were FOR?

Just call me fox: Please bear in mind the following:

The bible is a mish mash of stories and tales - it is NOT a historic document.

Curent archaelology has proven that the people who built the pyramids lived very nearby in peaceful, even luxurious surroundings (given the time) and were free to practice their own rituals and burials. Stores and cooking stations have been found and living quarters - i fact, what you might call a vast town has been uncovered and is still being so in the area.

For your interest

http://www.harvard-magazine.com/on-line/070391.html

Nothing so far has exactly proven that there weren't slaves working on the pyramids. Herodotus was told by Egyptians that it took nearly 100k slaves to build the pyramids over a quarter of a century.

There is a strong case to say that we are slaves to the same misanthropes today ....... but i digress .... we can discuss and debate George Orwell and Alexander Solzhenitsyn and the meaning of freedom and liberty and the differences on another thread ..... peace

I do take it that you never read or studied the bible. Because there is history inside of the bible, and as far as who built the pyramids who cares frankly? Because for all we know they could have been built by anything or anybody. So please dont say the bible isn't historic documents because it is and always will be involved in history some way or another. And current archaelologiest haven't proven how the pyramids were made or who they were made by. They only have suggestions to how they were made by what they interpret. The pyramids were designed, built, and lived in. THey must have no wanted anybody to know how they were built. who knows? nobody here thats for sure.

The Please Explain was just me being very curious, and trying to do a Pauline Hanson joke!...(Another Aussie thing, guys)

Oh, and what did pull the chariots? I'm assuming horses? Or are you saying that horses were not in Egypt at that time??

You are right in saying there are plenty of holes which frustrates me too when researching. I hope that you have the rest of the info to patch them up for me!

Are you trying to say something?
Please Explain!

Actually, much of the Bible is a collection of folk myths that, whilst retaining an small element of real history, are largely fictious. The Exodus saga being one of them. Besides, supposedly this took place long after the pyramids had been built.

The bible says there were no livestock in egypt ...they died in one of the plagues !! (remember??) so-o ..... what was pulling the chariots ??[snigger]

My point ?? That it's not the text's that we worship is it ??

And that people who "worship" books are bound to them ...... it is a common syndrome and one of the tools used to "keep the slaves in line" ..... if they are not interested enough to observe , question and learn , then it's their problem ...not "god's" !!

IMHO all the ancient texts , religious rites and culture (architecture , art , astrology etc etc ) are ways of passing down our knowledge to future generations ......



I doubt it , , but i'm pretty sure that the Egyptians (whoever they are !! ) built a lot more than just the pyramids .....and that we are just another "phase" of the "rise and fall of man" ...... i think we are moving into a new age of "slavery" where the concentration of knowledge , wealth , power and control are passing into the hands of the most psychopathic amongst us !!!

Are our " ancient texts , religious rites and culture " trying to warn us of something ???

Namely , that this "concentration of power etc" can only result , at some point in time ........ of a "rebellion" / "uprising" similar in scope to those that have preceded us ..... "Exodus" type events ...... "French Revolution" 'ish ... as it were ??

Did Egypt collapse as a result of this ...... Rome ?? ... I say yes ...they were brought down from the inside ...the social decay syndrome .... brought on by .... "the arrogance of wealth" and the corruption of power".

I believe that the shafts in the pyramids are pointing to "a time" ..... or times ?? I belive that the transit of venus was particularly important to them ...and the place that it ocurred in the sky also had special significance ...... check my post on Geographical geometry .... it's the same fibonacci sequence i described above ......

Re: Astrology ... i belive that the old 40deg aspects and the 72deg aspects are far more signifcant to these "star worshippers" than is known and also that "declination" are far more important than at first realised.

Either way be sure ...... these "star worshippers" are still around ....and they still believe that "we" are their slaves and that they are "gods" .... and that they are (mistakenly or not !!) waiting and preparing for "signs" !!

Follow my posts on washington , the NWO and the transits of venus .... i'll make a start soon ...or find a thread that deals with it and post there .....

Hard to post it here and not be "off-topic" .....

What about you ??? i can do with input as well !!

PS. so much obvious detail in this subject ..... where does one start ??

you are indenial LOL!!!! If this is all collections of folk myth then why do people still believe in the bibles words? Why is this information not used in debates my friend? If they are it's in no debates I've ever attended. Also, why is it that every prophecy in the bible has come true so far? You my friend have not studied the bible. You cannot make assumptions without study. The same with a theory my friend. So please research before you post something so ridiculous.

What prophecies have come true?

You do know that much of the Bible was put together at the bequest of King Josiah of Judah in order to support his campaign to annex Israel and to introduce religious reforms? And that it was later reworked in light of the subsequent exile in Babylon because the 'message' it portrayed - that devotion to YHWH and no-one but YHWH would ensue a propserous united kingdom had, rather emabrassingly, proved not to be true.

And you sir ...do you worship god or the bible ???


What pulled pharoah's chariots as he crossed the red sea chasing the israelites ???

HMMM ???? all the livestock died in one of the plagues !!


How do you reconcile your understanding of the bible with the end of "Daniel" ...y'know the part ...." seal up the book oh daniel until the end of days " ......

Or how about ....." those who are of the synagogue of Satan " ..."who will call themselves messiah"


How about you forget what the Israeli kings did with the bible ...... it was the nicean conclave of 325AD that put the First bible together ...... it happened in Constantinople (or whatever it's name was back then.


Just love these book worshippers who claim knowledge as their own ...... they don't even know when or where it was written.

You need to understand that the covenant was broken because Israel asked for a king ( 1st Kings aka samuel 1 ) ...the covenant has never been restored because for one the jew's have been disloyal to the countries they inhabited ..... now they have recruited christian Zionist , episcopalians and all sorts to create the biblical armegeddon they desire ......

Not all jews are bad , just as all christians are not good ....... sometimes groups can be hijacked .....just like the lavon affair...


FTR ..there are many valuable things in the bible ...but god ...is not a book ...and god ....put his message into the real world for all to see ...not just for those who carry a book of stories ....got it ???

the egyptians back then where foolish to do every command of there pharoah as he just grew in wealth and power.They were not respected at all by the pharoah

The pharoah was the person who was a living God, It was not foolish.. He keep the land strong built the city's and temple.. He was their link to the heaven. with out him Egypt would fall into dispare... He feed the people, made the law's, He was the heart and soul of their religion.. I think maybe you have missed a few thing's.. Not trying to be rude here, But he was do different to the people of Egypt then the Pope is to the Catholic church.. It works on the same belief system.. * One man closest to the God they believe in*..