Interesting, now read this: http://www.world-mysteries.com/mpl_2.htm#Geometry

You have asked several questions so far, and I have answered them quite successfully. Are you sure you want to issue yet another challenge? You aren't yet ready to admit that there is actually a body of evidence that leads to the logical conclusion that Khufu was responsible for the Great Pyramid?

Like I said, I have no problem teaching you what we know about the pyramids, but it gets tiring to continually hear things like "Did you know...", "So where is your 'documentation'...", and such. Do you think you could shelve the cynicism in favor of actual curiousity?

if u wathched tv there were no jewish slaves or whips except if u were a bad ass the men of egypt found it a great honner to help build the piramids thats all they made them and if u think how could men make hese well like rome was built if a few men died no one cared nowadays u couldnt because of safty.

the pyrimids were carved and took about 50 years they delt in decades to build things we deal in years.they had about a 1000 men to pull one lock and 1000s of carpenters on a block it took them long but if they hadent been vandelised thn they would be great

aquatus1,

By Azaziel, and Aziel, are you referring to me ? lol. All I asked was how they cut stone, thats all. But judging from the last posts, I got a general idea on how they " theorize" it was done.

Yes, I'm sorry. Names get me confused on the net.

Of course, 'theorize' doesn't do much justice to the amount of support most of these ideas have.

Well of course they are great idea's, but they are just that "ideas", not actual facts. I do not know as much about masonry, or architecture as you do aquatus1, and if I was brought into a room, with all the blueprints on how it could be feasable to build the pyramids, then I could be swayed. There is no doubt in my mind that humans built the pyramids, and since I am not as educated on you in this matter, I will take your ideas.

i created them duh

Syos, if you’re not going to contribute anything of merit to these discussions, please don’t post at all. Thanks.

Well, the key is to realize that these ideas didn't simply pop into someones head and then went on from there. The ideas are the result of the evidence that has been gathered by the research into Egypt's history.

New discoveries are being made all the time. Did you know that the mystery of the ramp is no longer a mystery? The actual base of the ramp that was used in the construction of the Great Pyramid has been found, and it leads straight from the Lower Quarry to the southwest corner of the pyramid. Ultimately, what that means is that out of the dozens of probable ideas as to how the ramp could have been built, we finally have the actual evidence showing how it was built.

What that means is that ideas are good, but ideas are not all equal. Some have hard evidence that lead directly to them, such as the quarry marks on the unfinished blocks at Giza, others are mostly conjecture, such as the floatation of the massive 40 ton blocks that make up the ceiling of the King's Chamber (so named because the ceiling is of the same corbeled type as that of the king's chamber in other tombs).

Dr. Zahi Hawass, despite commonly vilified for his iron grip on the archeology of Egypt, is nonetheless a man who has devoted his entire life to the subject, and who continues to break ground even today. Back in the late sixties, when he first suggested that the workers of the pyramids may not have been slaves, he was ridiculed for such notions. Today, it is commonly accepted to be true.

cheers for that insight, remarkable, my math has always been my failing! the concept though might have been along the lines of what i was able to see but the whole picture was a little more about showing me something else i fear? i just take what i can get when i get it.

note to one self, get off your ass and do more!!!!!

thanx again fantazum... oh, do you know anything about the 'dogon' or nogod

their mathamtics are flawed though in the fact the pyramid does not contain the rule of the golden mean in its contruction.

lol, dogon eh, u mean nogod?

you said quite clearly that there exists documentary evidence that proves who the builders of the great pyramids were .
Where is it?

you are referring to the Dogon people of mali,Africa?
Hmmm....interesting you mention them as the Dogon people are believed to have some ancestral connection to ancient egypt.

I quote from:http://www.crystalinks.com/dogon.html


"As the story goes ... in the late 1930s, four Dogon priests shared their most important secret tradition with two French anthropologists, Marcel Griaule and Germain Dieterlen after they had spent an apprenticeship of fifteen years living with the tribe. These were secret myths about the star Sirius, which is 8.6 light years from the Earth.

The Dogon priests said that Sirius had a companion star that was invisible to the human eye. They also stated that the star moved in a 50-year elliptical orbit around Sirius, that it was small and incredibly heavy, and that it rotated on its axis.

Initially the anthropologists wrote it off publishing the information in an obscure anthropological journal, because they didn't appreciate the astronomical importance of the information.

What they didn't know was that since 1844, astronomers had suspected that Sirius A had a companion star. This was in part determined when it was observed that the path of the star wobbled. In 1862 Alvan Clark discovered the second star making Sirius a binary star system (two stars).

In the 1920's it was determined that Sirius B, the companion of Sirius, was a white dwarf star. White dwarfs are small, dense stars that burn dimly. The pull of its gravity causes Sirius' wavy movement. Sirius B is smaller than planet Earth.

The Dogon name for Sirius B is Po Tolo. It means star - tolo and smallest seed - po. Seed refers to creation. In this case, perhaps human creation.

By this name they describe the star's smallness. It is, they say, the smallest thing there is.

They also claim that it is 'the heaviest star' and is white in color.

The Dogon thus attribute to Sirius B its three principal properties as a white dwarf: small, heavy, white.

Nommo Description

The Dogon elder, Ogotemelli, describes Nommo as having the upper part as a man and the lower portion as snake; or as having a ram's head with serpent body. [Serpent=DNA]

Author Robert Temple describes the Nommo as amphibious beings sent to Earth from the Sirius star system for the benefit of humankind. They look like Merfolk; Mermaids and Mermen. [Metaphor: amphibious - referring to the flow of the collective unconscious - creational source].
After the landing in a space ship, something with four legs appeared and dragged the vessel to a hollow, which filled with water until the vessel floated in it. The Dogon call this spaceship 'Pelu Tolo' or 'Star of the Tenth Moon'. [4=4th dimension or 'time'. It also references closure]. [10=10101010 = computer programming for On, Off, On Off, etc. 10 also references 1 = New beginnings in Numerology.]

Nommo supposedly came from the Sirius star system.

Their spaceship spiraled down from the sky. Spirals reference the golden ratio or the movement of consciousness from higher frequency into physical reality. [See Sacred Geometry]

The ship landed somewhere to the northeast of the Dogon's present homeland. There was a great noise and wind. The ship landed on three legs, skidded to a stop, scoring the ground. Four legs appeared and dragged the vessel to a hollow, which filled with water until the vessel floated.

At the same time a new star was seen in the sky, which possibly was a large space ship. The star was described by the Dogon as having a circle of reddish rays around it. This circle of rays was like a spreading spot yet it still remaining the same size.

There is a Dogon drawing of the spaceship hovering in the sky, waiting for the Nommo who landed on the Earth. It represents three stages of 'Pelu Tolo' when it is spurting different amounts of blood or flames [as if it crash landed].

They called the Nommo 'Masters of the Water', 'The Monitors', 'The Teachers or Instructors', 'Saviors', and 'Spiritual Guardians'.

I have to wonder if the word 'Nommo' means 'No More' - 'No Longer'.

Dogon art shows grids, perhaps depciting an understanding of the the nature of our reality, based on grid programs.

The earliest Egyptians believed Sirius - 'Sothis' - was the home of souls that have crossed over. It is the brightest star in our night sky. This belief is also shared with the Dogon.

The Dogons have described perfectly the DNA pattern made by an elliptical orbit created by the two stars of Sirius as they rotate make around each other. They believe Sirius to be the axis of the universe, and from it all matter and all souls are produced in a great spiral motion.

The Dogon also claimed that a third star Emme Ya - sorghum female - exists in the Sirius system. Larger and lighter than Sirius B, this star revolves around Sirius A as well. It has not been proven to exist, though some people have called it Sirius C.

Sirius C translated from the Dogon language into English is called the "Sun of Women". It is described by the Dogan as "the seat of the female souls of living or future beings". Its symbol contains two pair of lines that are relevant features of a Dogon legend. The Dogon believe that Sirius C sends out two pairs of beams and that the beams represent a feminine figure.

Some of the ancient Egyptian temples, such as the Temple of Isis at Denerah, were created so that the light of the helical rising of Sirius would travel down the main corridor to place its red glow upon the altar in the inner sanctum of the temple. When that light reached the altar, the beam of light from Sirius was transformed into Sothis, the Star Goddess, Isis.

In a manner of speaking, the same belief system was involved in the Greek Temples, such as the Parthenon, which were oriented to receive the beams of light from the Pleiades into their inner sanctums, where the beams were then transformed into seven women. As the beams from the Pleiades entered the Egyptian temple of Hathor it became the seven Hathors female judges of mankind.

Within the Dogon tradition, those pairs of feminine figures beamed down from the Star/Sun/Planet of Women to their original home near the Hoggar mountains bringing many aspects of civilization to the ancestors of their tribes.

Dogon oral traditions state that for thousands of years they have known that the Earth revolves around the Sun, and that Jupiter has moons and Saturn has rings.

The Dogons calendar is quite non-traditional in that its fifty year cycle is based neither on the Earth's rotation around the Sun (as is our Julian calendar) nor the cycles of the Moon (a lunar calendar). Instead, the Dogon culture centers around the rotation cycle Sirius B which encircles the primary star Sirius A every 49.9 - or 50 years. "

To read the rest go to: http://www.crystalinks.com/dogon.html

the ramps have been known about since the 19th century - Earthen ramps were used at least in the initial stages of construction. Extant ramps have been found at the pyramids of Amenemhat I and Senwosret I at Lisht as well as at several other sites. Traces of disassembled ramps at pyramid sites are even more common. The ramps were made of brick or earth and rubble dressed with brick for strength. They were built up as the pyramid progressed upward, and removed as the pyramid was finished downward.

Inclined brick construction ramps with transverse
timbers at the pyramids of Amenemhat I and Senwosret I.

The ramps likely took the form of an inclined plane at the beginning of work, but the configuration in later stages has long been a matter of conjecture. Some Egyptologists propose a straight, gently sloping, linear ramp, some propose a steep staircase ramp, and others propose a ramp that spiraled up the four sides of the pyramid. In most ramp scenarios, the volume of the ramp exceeds the volume of the pyramid structure itself, raising the possibility that the stones of the upper reaches were placed using levers, or perhaps a modified ramp of some sort. In the case of the Great Pyramid at Giza, the upper half of the total vertical pyramid height represents only 12.5% of the mass of the entire pyramid. The mass of the top quarter of the pyramid's height is a mere .0386% of the whole. Thus the mass of the ramp is in inverse proportion to the mass of building material it is meant to convey. Extending a ramp to the upper reaches of a pyramid to service such a small volume of stone would appear to be inexpedient.

The ramp idea works fine for the first 50 courses of stonework then you have to take the ramp AROUND the construction in a zig zag pattern otherwise the angle of slope becomes too acute. This means that the builders in effect shifted sufficient material to build two and a half pyramids in order to get ONE!
What happend to that material? did they wheel-barrow it all back to the desert? and of course this further challenges the idea that the great pyramid for example only took 20 years to build.
Getting a million or so 2.5 ton limestone blocks up an incline of 15degrees is possible using enough manpower, but a zig zag ramp means 90 degree corners.100 men pulling a 2.5 ton block of limestone in a straight line is feasible but what happens when they reach the corner? And of course we must not forget the half million blocks of stone that weighed a lot more than 2.5 tons. The builders didnt appear to have any problem dragging blocks weighing 15 tons to 80 tons up those same ramps.

what you really mean is "shelve the curiousity and agree with me "?

really? - The Fibonacci series is a sequence of numbers starting 0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, 55, 89, etc. Each number equals the sum of it's two predecessors. It is found much in nature in things like the design of fir cones and the arrangement of flower petals. An analysis of the Fibonacci series reveals that it is ultimately based on the Phi-ratio or the number 1.61803+, the Phi-ratio may be better known as the Golden Section. The Golden Section is a ratio of the length of a rectangle to its width, a ratio that is particularly pleasing to the eye. The Golden Section is found much in architecture, an example is in the Athenian Parthenon. The Great Pyramid embodies a direct expression of the Phi-ratio, being 0.001 of 1.61803+. This is amplified by John Ivimy in his book "The Sphinx and the Megaliths" in which he states that if one assumes a measure of 4 Royal Cubits the slope height of the Great Pyramid becomes the number 89 and the half base becomes the number 55. These are two successive numbers in the Fibonacci Series.

you might find this interesting:

The design of the Pyramid was such that was able to model a globe. This may only occur at a precise pyramid slope angle of 51 degrees 51 minutes 14 seconds, the Great Pyramid has this very same slope angle. This is because the ratio of the pyramid height to its base perimeter is exactly twice pi. Put another way as the height of the pyramid is to its perimeter at its base then so is the radius of a circle to the circle's circumference. This ratio can only be achieved at the exact angle of 51 degrees 51 minutes 14 seconds.

Kurt Mendelssohn in his book "The Riddle of the Pyramids" showed that a lower angle of 43 degrees 30 minutes was used in some pyramids to overcome construction problems. If a span of only 10 degrees is allowed to set the pyramid slope angle and 43 degrees 30 is used as the lower limit then the chance that the angle 51 degrees 51 14 was selected fortuitously is 36,000 to 1, very long odds indeed.

read mario livios book concerning the application of the golden mean throughout history, he explains how you can if u like interpret the pyramid to contain the number of phi, but u can make numbers do anything if u juggle them enough.

Now we are talking. The king's chamber is a representation of this golden "box".

we are talking about the perfect rectangle and the aruvian curve or something like?

im stuck doing things way out of my field, yeh like i got a field!!!???

chasing down as much as possible on the 'helix culture' and could do with more on the subject, any help? keep coming up against the 'masons' and wow do those guys get everywhere!!!!???

got a couple of great theories that i have been playing around with and it kinda keeps coming back to 'pi' ??????

as for the pyramids and who built them, me, personally, i think at the end of every 12000 year cycle we are by natural law expected to build one of these temples as to pass on the knowledge for future generations to help them understand the world a bit better, heads up kind of thing?! everything in their designs must relate to the natural design of this space and time we now exist in. sum it all up in one great design using the basic fundimentals hoping that future civilisations will be able to decipher it and help them to understand this world a little better?? as for the who, time will tell me thinks...

anyways, dna, rna, helix, any forms of calculations that go with any of these would be nice, cheers,

well i hope fututre generations enjoy all the radioctive waste we have buried for them to find.

Like I said, tone down the aggression. Now, concerning the documentation:

The Turin Papyrus concerns the record keeping involved with the worker camps.
The Hatnub Quarry contains both the records and the quarry marks found on the stone for Khufu's pyramid (which is what the current concensus is on the 'graphitti' found in the King's Chamber).
The Sinai Tablets describe the layout of the Giza Area, describing how Khufu's family is to be laid out around his central tomb.
And, just to throw it in there, the Western Papyrus is a collection of stories, including the one about Khufu talking to the magician Djedi about finding the Book of Thoth to help him build the King's Chamber.



I'm not talking about generic ramps. I'm talking about the ramps to the Great Pyramid. There is no more 'likely to be'. The actual ramp bases have been discovered, and the angles of construction are now known. There was only one wrap-around, and the final course required an inclination of 18 degrees (Yikes!).

They are there, they exist, etc. No more speculation about them; they have been found. Along with the quarry that the majority of the stone came from, which is where the ramp began.

I must admit I am thoroughly enjoying this site.

Sadly time dictates that I cannot read as much as soon as I would like. Given I get 1 hour on-line per day. sheesh!

Having read alot of what people have written, quite a lot is in relation to a book written by Graham Hancock and his theory to a pervious civilisation.

A couple of quick questions>>

Assuming a war between nations, targetting cities followed by towns was successful.
The fall out or damage radius engulfs villages and farms.
The only civilisations to live on the planet would be tribes of S. America, Australia, etc...
These are humans, they build homes and farm foods....

How long would it take for a group of tribespeople to move away from where they feel comfortable, and grow a new society where they find our present day structures and marvel at how they could possibly have been created.

True the blocks in the Great Pyramid are more than a crane today can lift. Why would we want to build a crane that can lift anything more than 200k tonnes anyways?

Our technology in advancing structures upwards is the direction of today, and any unneccessary cost is eliminated, so no chance of getting huge blocks from 100s of miles away when you can pre-fabricate round the corner.

My other less long winded question is>>

The pyramids took years to construct and the lessons to construct them correctly also took time.

Our present society landed (yes no..... no yes....) on the moon in 1969 and have sent probes tracking oh.... I forget now..... Saturn.

Why has it taken 30+ years to get from men landing on the moon to a working probe leaving the solar system and reporting back?

Why has technology ballooned on our planet, but not into space.

Is it true that a modern watch has more technology than what took us into space all those years ago? and if so, why have we not achieved more?

I guess I am trying to relate what we are doing and could happen to us with what may have faced Egypt.

These are more annoying things in my mind than what I genuinely believe.

Most Egyptologists cant accept that the dating of dynasties is wrong and still teach what they are convinced to be true....

Now to figure out a short cut to know if responses occur

take care

R47

A fact?
I can point out a number of places where the fibonacci sequence, and hence the golden mean (arc) is associated, shows up in the great pyramids construction.

The golden mean starts with the layout of the pyramid. The great pyramid has 8 sides (a number in fibonacci sequence):




We can relate this "design" of the great pyramid to a way of thinking, which "creates" the fibonacci sequence from it's design.

This is part of the 'Virgin Sophia' image from the Rosicrucian belief. The 8 sided design is noted in red.




After the circle that has 12 smaller circles in it's diameter, is a circle that would have 16 smaller circles in it's diameter. With 1 in the center, each quadrant of the larger circle (picture) shows circles that would continue out in fibonacci sequence (noted in the 4th quadrant in the picture below).




These circles that create the fibonacci sequence in each quadrant are the foundation for...everything really.




So, I would have to say the opposite, that their mathamtics are not flawed in the least bit. The golden mean shows up inside the pyramid, as well.
The "design" is quite lucky, imo.

Khufu used the granite quarry in Aswan, basalt from the oasis, and white fine limestone from Tura. The name of Khufu has been found written in the alabaster quarry at Hatnub. Two tablets bearing his name have been found in the Sinai. His name has also been found in Bubastis. It has also been inscribed on a temple at Byblos (Lebanon), which might imply that he sent an expedition there to bring back cedar wood that was used in the construction of his boats which were found in 1945 on the south side of "his" pyramid. Finally, his name was found written in the western desert to the north of Abu Simbel and northwest of Toshka, where they took the diorite to be used in the statues. There is very little evidence of Khufu in connection with other gods, except his small statuette found in building K in the temple of Khentiulmentiu at Abydos, and his name was also found on vessels in the temple of Horus at Nekhen.

In fact the only real evidence for the existance of Khufu (Cheops) is a small statue of him....in fact its the smallest statue of any pharoah which is somewhat surprising considering he declared himself to the be the god Ra and built the largest monuments in egypt.
Actually, we have the testament of Pharaoh Khufu himself that he only did repair work on the Great Pyramid. The Inventory Stele, found in 1857 by Auguste Mariette just to the east of the Pyramid, dates to about 1500 B.C., but according to Maspero and other experts, shows evidence of having been copied from a far older stele contemporaneous with the Fourth Dynasty. In the Stele, Khufu himself tells of his discoveries made while clearing away the sands from the Pyramid and Sphinx. He dedicated the account to Isis, who he called the "Mistress of the Western Mountain," "Mistress of the Pyramid," and identified the Pyramid itself as the "House of Isis."

The Stele describes how Pharaoh Khufu, "gave to her (Isis) an offering anew, and he built again (to restore, renovate, reconstruct) her temple of stone." From there, the Pharaoh inspected the Sphinx, according to the text, and related the story of how in his time both the monument and a nearby sycamore tree had been struck by lightning. The bolt had knocked off part of the headdress of the Sphinx, which Khufu carefully restored. Egyptologist Selim Hassan, who dug out the Sphinx from the surrounding sands in the 1930's, observed there is indeed evidence that portions of the Sphinx were damaged by lightning, and the mark of ancient repairs is very apparent. Also, he noted, sycamore trees once grew to the south of the monument, which had been dated to a great age.

The Stele then ends with the story of how Khufu built small pyramids for himself and his daughters, wife and family, next to the Great Pyramid. Today, the ruins of three small pyramids are indeed situated on the east side of the monument. Archaeologists have found independent evidence that the southernmost of the three small pyramids flanking the Great Pyramid was in fact dedicated to Henutsen, a wife of Khufu. Everything in the inscription thus matches the known facts. If these facts can be believed as true, then the additional information that Khufu was only a restorer of the Great Pyramid and not its builder, must also be treated as historically true.

Khufu restored the great pyramids the sphinx and the valley temple with stone taken from the same quarry that providded the material for the construction of the great pyramids.
Yes he even restored the valley temple....apparently it had suffered the same kind of erosion as the spinx. Khufu had the orginal granite walls of the temple refaced with limestone. So its hardly surprising that khufu's name appears on stone taken from that quarry yet his name appears nowhere on stone actually used in the construction of what is claimed to be HIS pyramid.

I need to correct myself:

I said this before:



The center is actually 0 from the sequence (0,1,1,2,3,5..etc.), like so:





....my bad.

Hey you guys would save yourself a whole lot of time and energy if you would just read Herodotus. This would answer so many of your questions.

You can't paraphrase?


Trust me, there is more in what I am not saying. I was trying to show that it was a fact that fibonacci numbers do exist in the design of the great pyramid. Someone mentioned before that it was a fact that the sequence played no part in the construction. I was not trying to get too deep.

Herodatus was one of the biggest charlatens history has ever known.

aye they dont, read that book i said.

I believe that on the BIG pyramids Mr. Sharpie Marker, and Mr. Horsie made them, on the smaller ones Monkey Man and Paperclip man did them sorry, I'm all hopped up on flu meds

There is a theory they could have been built using wind power ..


Kite power

*snifs sharpie*

well i think the pyramid actually took human force to make. it seems more logical unless there is no proof of of mechanisms they could have used to make the pyramids (moving the huge rocks and such)

other than that you can say that some outside force must have helped in the making fo this five-faced piece of mass

theres a lot of pressure from the egyptians to keep the age of the great pyramids relatively recent so as to provide a national identity with them. The sphinx , some say, is much older than its accepted date because the weathering marks on the limestone are water, not wind or sand .. dating it to having existed way before the present arid conditions of the area, and nearer to around 12000-9000 bc when the area was under a lot of torrential rainfall at the end of the last ice age.

what ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

ah herodotus.....yes I have read his works and I admire him. The problem is that much of what Herodotus wrote is somewhat "enlarged' as he based much of his work on anecdotal evidence.
Herodotus recorded faithfully what he actually witnessed and is therefore a valuable reference for ancient history which is why he is referred to as "the father of history"
When Herodotus visited ancient egypt he recorded faithfully what he saw and experienced but he included far too much anecdotal evidence from local people concerning the construction and history of the pyramids, which was exaggerated to say the least.

yes, the debate here is not who built them but why they built them and when. I have no doubt at all that the ancient egyptians built them but in the case of the great pyramids I question when and why.

Most builders of pyramids tell story of bearded caucasion men coming from far off lands with a superior knowledge of building and astronomy hence the solaciste alignements worldwide, mayans tell it, egyptans, angor wat builders, guimar pyramids, north american indians, and the list goes on

yes the legend of Viracocha/Quetzlecoatel/the feathered serpent etc etc is as common as the flood legend in nearly all ancient cultures. Many people who have replied to me in this thread have claimed that the ancient egyptians have no flood legend which is not correct. In fact the ancient egyptians have several.

it was me , i did it

The Great Pyramid is the most substantial ancient structure in the world - and the most mysterious. According to prevailing archaeological theory - and there is absolutely no evidence to confirm this idea - the three pyramids on the Giza plateau are funerary structures of three kings of the fourth dynasty (2575 to 2465 BC).
The Great Pyramid, attributed to Khufu (Cheops) is on the right of the photograph, the pyramid attributed to Khafra (Chephren) next to it, and that of Menkaura (Mycerinus) the smallest of the three. The Great Pyramid was originally 481 feet, five inches tall (146.7 meters) and measured 755 feet (230 meters) along its sides. Covering an area of 13 acres, or 53,000 square meters, it is large enough to contain the European cathedrals of Florence, Milan, St. Peters, Westminster Abbey and St. Paul's. Constructed from approximately 2.5 million limestone blocks weighing on average 2.6 tons each, its total mass is more than 6.3 million tons (representing more building material than is to be found in all the churches and cathedrals built in England since the time of Christ)



Read the rest here

yes and sneferu, we are told, built the very first pyramids..the stepped and red pyramid.Sneferu appears to have been Khufu's (Cheops) dad and both were 4th dynasty pharoahs, which means that Khufu (Cheops) built his masterpiece less than a century AFTER his father's efforts!
Thats quite a fast learning process!

Herodotus is one of the closest sources we have to actually being there. He interviewed the descendants of the people who built the pyramids. He embellished on some subjects at times and in other instances he was misinformed which we can now gather through archaeology and other historical sources. If you know your history it is not hard to distinguish his mistakes from his facts. He was hardly a charlatan. How else could we have learned so much about the Persian, Medes and Lydian Empires? Archeology, Numismatics, Heiroglyphs and papyri back old Herodotus up. You just can't ignore facts like that.

You guys should read The Tutankhamun Prophecies by Maurice Cotterell. Some of his stuff is a big stretch, but i do believe thereis a grain of truth hidden in there. Basically it's about the similarities between the Maya and the Egyptians, with links to Christianity.

Personally I believe the pyramids of both the Maya and the Egyptians were created and built by the people themselves, with no outside help. My reasons for this are:
- the building of pyramids and other significant architectural things (technical term ) is a worldwide phenomena. Aside from the pyramids, there are the great temples of ancient Greece (and the theatres), etc.
- Technological progression is a natural occurence. Look at what we can build now; skyscrapers, cathedrals, three story homes, etc. Nobody could have imagined these while we were still living a nomadic life, yet slowly we have progressed to a stage that has allowed us to do this.

However, I am intrigued by the similarities between the Olmec statues and various other figures around the globe (such as the waditji heads of the northern territory in Australia). I believe that this could indicate a movement of population across the globe.

-Charlie.