Just post the Dinosaurs you like most, Place pictures and info, basically just talk about your favorite Dinosaurs!

Unenlagia comahuensis

"The most bird-like dinosaur ever discovered is the 90-million-year-old Unenlagia comahuensis, a flightless, 4-foot tall, 7.5-foot-long carnivore. It is the size of an ostrich, but shaped like Velociraptor"

Sorry, I couldn't find a more menacing picture of the "Halb Vogel",
or half-bird.
http://leute.server.de/frankmuster/U/Unenlagia1.jpg

Best picture of the Unenlagia comahuensis that I could find. Even if it is a sketch.

Raptor time!


Meaning of Name Speedy Thief
Size 6 feet long, and 3 feet tall
Weight about 15 to 33 pounds
Features 30 very sharp, curved teeth in a long, flat snout, an s-shaped neck long thin legs arms with three-fingered clawed hands and four-toed clawed feet
Lived Late Cretaeceous Period
Diet meat eater
Locomotion run up to roughly 40 mph
Where Found Mongolia, Russia, and China

Don'cha wish your Dino was cool like mine, well don'cha?

lol, thank you, Otterlord. They were supposed to be real smart like raptors.
(thinks back to Jurassic Park)
I found some more info from a site someone showed me.
"The structure of the forelimb suggests that the avian mode of the forelimb folding, and the extensive forelimb elevation necesssary for powered, flapping flight, was already present in cursorial, non-flying theropod dinosaurs. Unenlagia does resemble Archaeopteryx in important details of its forelimb and hip. Foremost among these is the structure of the shoulder joint, which indicates that the animal could hold its arm directly outward, like a bird, as well as fold it against its body. "

Neat stuff about the correlation between dinos and birds.

GIANT GROUND SLOTH
Megatherium (pronounced MEG-ah-THEER-ee-um) was the largest giant ground sloth; its name means "great beast." Megatherium was a huge, bulky, slow-moving herbivore (plant-eater) with peg-like teeth, powerful jaws, and a thick, short tail. This ice-age mammal had three hook-like claws on each hand. It was primarily a quadruped (walked on four legs). It may have eaten leaves from the tops of trees while standing upright on its hind legs, using its tail to balance. Megatherium was the size of an elephant. It lived during the Pleistocene epoch in what is now South America, going extinct about 11,000 years ago. It was about 20 feet (6 m) long and weighed roughly 3-4 tons. Megatherium was named by R. Owen in 1856; the first Megatherium fossil was found in Brazil in 1789. (Cohort (many grouped orders) Edentata, Family Megatheriidae, Genus Megatherium)

Albertosaurus was a theropod from the late Cretaceous period at the end of the Mesozoic Era.

The Theropods were fast, two-legged carnivores (animal eaters) with short arms. The following are Theropod characteristics:

• Speed and agility
• Carnivorous diet
• Sharp, slicing teeth and well-developed jaw muscles
• Bipedal walk
• Strong legs with bird-like, three-toed, clawed feet
• Hollow bones (like birds).

Length: 28 feet (8.5 m)
Height: 10 feet (3 m)
Weight: 2.5 tons (2300 kilos)
Speed: 40 km/hr

This fleetness, combined with obvious physical strength, would have made Albertosaurus a fierce hunter, perhaps even more so than the more massive Tyrannosaurus rex.


Smaller but longer-limbed than Tyrannosaurus rex, Albertosaurus would have been a mobile hunter, although it probably fed on the carcasses of already dead animals as well.

Albertosaurus bones were among the earliest dinosaur remains collected in Alberta. A skull found by J.B. Tyrrell in 1884 was the first important dinosaur fossil to be discovered along the Red Deer River. It was named in 1905, the same year that Alberta became a province. Since then, many Albertosaurus fossils have been discovered. the smallest documented Albertosaurus, a juvenile less than a quarter of the size of a full grown adult, was collected from Sandy Point on the South Saskatchewan River in 1986.

Im going to pick one out of left field here ...


Dimetrodon.




Dimetrodon's most distinctive characteristic is the spectacular sail on its back. The sail was probably used to regulate body temperature; the surface area would allow it to warm up or cool off more efficiently. It may also have been used in mating rituals and to ward off other predators. The sail was supported by neural spines, each one sprouting from an individual vertebra.

Dimetrodon was a dominant carnivore, the largest of its day. It grew to up to 3 meters in length. Dimetrodon means "two-measures teeth"; it is so named because it had a large skull with two different types of teeth (shearing teeth and sharp canine teeth), as opposed to the dinosaurs. It walked on four side-sprawling legs and had a large tail.

Dimetrodon was a member of a group of animals we call synapsids. Just behind the eye socket in this skull is an opening, called the synapsid opening. Its purpose is not known for certain, but it may have been a passage for jaw muscles that helped Dimetrodon and other synapsids chew.

One other group of animals has this synapsid opening -- mammals. So the 280-million-year-old Dimetrodon is actually one of your early relatives, and another step on the path to your own evolutionary branching point.

Spinosaurus Aegyptus is my favorite, and even before it was made famous by the Jurassic park III film. Maybe someone else can post a good pic.

Its teeth are very common and you can buy them on ebay, but complete skeletons are extremely rare. This seems to be the biggest (longest) carnivorous dinosaur ever found, and said to be 60 feet in length. Unforunately, the bones of this monster were destroyed in Berlin during WWII. Whereas most therpods dinosaurs have a similar general appearance, Spinosaur is unique in its great sail fin, fairly large forearms, and long, crocodile like snout.

I love them all! They're so amazing to me, and I'm glad to see this forum. I have a special place for the really huge long necked sauropods, and also for the giant meat eaters like the T-Rex. But all the smaller ones are so unique and fascinating too.

Incidentally, there's some beautiful dino drawings on this page (it's the place where I got my current avatar image): Dino Art

I've always been fond of Velociraptors because of how cool they looked and how intelligent they were.

Info about 'em.

Maslodont Astrotopitecus Reicontivus

 
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Elasmotherium
[Categories: Rhinos, Prehistoric mammals]
The Giant Unicorn (Elasmotherium sibiricus) was a  (Massive powerful herbivorous odd-toed ungulate of southeast Asia and Africa having very thick skin and one or two horns on the snout) rhinoceros which stood two meters high and six meters long, with a single two-meter-long horn in the forehead. Its habitat was the steppes south of the range of the  (Extinct thick-haired species of arctic regions) Woolly Rhinoceros. It may have weighed up to 5 tonnes. Its legs were longer than those of other rhinos and were designed for galloping, giving it a horse-like gait. It was probably a fast runner, in spite of its size. Its teeth were similar to those of horses, and it probably grazed low herbs.
Due to a lack of fossils from any date later than 10,000 years ago, the Giant Unicorn is usually regarded to have become extinct at that time, together with many other species of  (Click link for more info and facts about megafauna) megafauna.

Historical witnesses?
Elasmotherium probably died out in prehistoric times.

However, according to the  (Click link for more info and facts about Nordisk familjebok) Nordisk familjebok and to space scientist  (Click link for more info and facts about Willy Ley) Willy Ley, the animal may have survived long enough to be remembered in the legends of the  (A member of the Tungus speaking people of Mongolian race who are a nomadic people widely spread over eastern Siberia; related to the Manchu) Evenk people of  (A federation in northeastern Europe and northern Asia; formerly Soviet Russia; since 1991 an independent state) Russia as a huge black bull with a single horn in the forehead.

There is also a testimony by the medieval traveller  (Click link for more info and facts about Ibn Fadlan) Ibn Fadlan, who is usually considered a reliable source, which indicates that Elasmotherium may have survived into historical times. (Click link for more info and facts about Ibn Fadlan) Ibn Fadlan's account states:

There is nearby a wide steppe, and there dwells, it is told, an animal smaller than a camel, but taller than a bull. Its head is the head of a ram, and its tail is a bull’s tail. Its body is that of a mule and its hooves are like those of a bull. In the middle of its head it has a horn, thick and round, and as the horn goes higher, it narrows (to an end), until it is like a spearhead. Some of these horns grow to three or five ells, depending on the size of the animal. It thrives on the leaves of trees, which are excellent greenery. Whenever it sees a rider, it approaches and if the rider has a fast horse, the horse tries to escape by running fast, and if the beast overtakes them, it picks the rider out of the saddle with its horn, and tosses him in the air, and meets him with the point of the horn, and continues doing so until the rider dies. But it will not harm or hurt the horse in any way or manner.

The locals seek it in the steppe and in the forest until they can kill it. It is done so: they climb the tall trees between which the animal passes. It requires several bowmen with poisoned arrows; and when the beast is in between them, they shoot and wound it unto its death. And indeed I have seen three big bowls shaped like Yemen seashells, that the king has, and he told me that they are made out of that animal’s horn.

Some have argued that the survival of Elasmotherium into historical times may be the source of the  (An imaginary creature represented as a white horse with a long horn growing from its forehead) unicorn myth, as the animal's description fits well with the  (An empire in southern Asia created by Cyrus the Great in the 6th century BC and destroyed by Alexander the Great in the 4th century BC) Persian karkadann unicorn, and the  (Any of the Sino-Tibetan languages spoken in China; regarded as dialects of a single language (even though they are mutually unintelligible) because they share an ideographic writing system) Chinese zhi unicorn.

[http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/encyclopedia/e/el/elasmotherium.htm]

Since my fav, Unenlagia, has already been covered i'll do...

General Info
Name: Therizinosaurus (Scythe lizard)
Classification: Theropoda; Coelurosauria; Therizinosauridea
Length: Unknown, maybe up to 36 feet (11 m)
Weight: Up to 6 tons.
Hieght: Around twice that of a modern adult human.
Lived: Late Cretaceous perios, 70-65 million years ago.
Fossils
First found: 1948. Thought to be remains of giant turtle. Teeth, incomplete forlimbs, a large claw, and some hind limb/foot fragments.
Fossils discovered in: Mongolian desert and northern China.
Best Specimin: Enormous arm and sholder blade in central Mongolia.
Facts
- So strange that it was placed in it's own group.
- Weird structure may have made Therizinosaurus have looked like it was sitting down when it's back was straight.
- 2-foot claws (.06 m) on 8 foot (2.5 m) arms. Very strong arm and shoulder muscles.
- Most likely used claws to strip tree bark.
- May have had proto-feathers.

There is only one dinosaur in my book:

Carnotaurus, Allosaurus and Ceratosaurus.

Giganotosaurus- a truly awesome giant carnivore from Argentina that is slightly bigger than the Tyrannosaurus rex
http://home.att.net/~sl.schofield3/dinosau...ntinosaurus.jpg
http://www.madzia.cz/pictures/giganotosaurus.jpg

Carnotaurus- how can you not love a "carnivororous Bull"-a theropod with horns?

Gojirasaurus Qauyi- a mid-size late Triassic Ceratosaur named after Godzilla(Godzilla's name in Japan in Gojira) about 5.5 meters long. Even though it's in the Ceratosaur family, it looks like a giant Coelophysis and is supposedly closely related to Dilophosaurus, and it is also one of the first large sized carnivores to have evolved. In the actual godzilla films, before the real Gojirasaurus was discoved, the filmmakers actually invented their own species of Gojirasaurus as the dinosaur that Godzilla mutated from in the 1991 movie GODZILLA VS KING GHIDORAH. The filmic Gojirasaurus was quite larger than the real thing however- something like 12 meters tall and 25 meters long!
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Spinosaurus- very cool dinosaur, even if they weren't as super powerful as depicted in JURASSIC PARK 3. There's no way it could kill a T. Rex-the Spino's jaws and teeth were far too weak for that kind of fighting-they ate fish, not large land animals like T.Rex! [img]

Brontosaurus
Brontosaurus excelsus


Pronounced:Bron - toe - Sore - us
Diet:Herbivore (Plant-Eater)
Name Means:"Thunder Lizard"
Length:76 feet (23 m)
Height:25 feet (8 m)
Weight:33 tons (30,000 kilos)
Time:Late Jurassic - 155 MYA





Location:SW United States




Brontosaurus is one of the most well known dinosaurs, but did it really exist? At this point, scientists can't agree on whether Brontosaurus actually existed, as the original type specimen was actually a combination of two different dinosaurs - an Apatosaurus body and a Camarasaurus head. Currently, Brontosaurus is not a valid species, but that may change.

When it was discovered that the head of Camarasaurus was placed on the body of Apatosaurus and called Brontosaurus, most people thought that was the end of this dinosaur that had become an icon for dinosaur fans from the late 19th century through the 1970s. That may not be the case, however, as Dr. Robert Bakker is developing evidence that supports his claim that Brontosaurus should still be recognized as a real dinosaur. He asserts that it was a huge, long-necked plant eater that deserved its name, which means Thunder Lizard.
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ANKYLOSAURUS(ang-KYL-o-sawr-us) "Stiffened Lizard" (Greek ankylo = stiffen = sauros = lizard, because of its stiffened dermal armor) Sometimes mistakenly called EUOPLOCEPHALUS.

One of the largest and best known of the ANKYLOSAURS. The body, head, and TAIL of this "REPTILIAN tank" were covered with bony plates set close together in thick, leathery SKIN. A row of short SPIKES protected each side of the body. The TAIL was short and thick and ended in a bony club. This peaceful plant eater lived in western North America during the CRETACEOUS PERIOD. It was 25 feet (7.5 m) long, 6 feet (1.8 m) wide, and over 4 feet (1.2 m) tall. It weighed about 5 tons (4.5 metric tons). Ankylosaurus was one of the very last kind of dinosaurs to die out. It is known from fairly complete material found in Montana.

Ankylosaurus is sometimes called Euoplocephalus, but it is now believed that these were two different animals.

Classification: Ankylosauridae, Ankylosauria, Ornithischia

Tyrannosaurus
Tyrannosaurus rex


Pronounced: tie-Ran-o-Saw-rus
Diet: Carnivore (Meat-Eater)
Name Means: "tyrant lizard"
Length: 40 feet (13 m)
Height: 16 feet (5 m)
Weight: 6 tons (6,000 kilos)
Time: Late Cretaceous - 67 MYA

Probably the most famous of all dinosaurs, T. rex was probably the fiercest meat eater that ever lived. At more than 40 feet tall, it was huge and had the most powerful head of any dinosaur. It also had the biggest teeth of any dinosaur - teeth that were not only sharp and cutting edged, but also thick and strong, capable of crushing bones. After many millions of years of evolution, nature arrived at T. rex, an almost perfect killing machine.

YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I LOVE DINOS, I AM SO HAPPY TO SEE THIS THREAD.

awwww, someone already took Therizinosaurus...
I love all of them..but i'll pick a substitute for Therizinosaurus (my fav)

Probably UTAHRAPTOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Saurophaganax
Amargasaurus
and Seismosaurus

Im too lazy to type all the info, so here is the link for all of them...theyre in alphabetical order.
DINOSAURS RULE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I loved the Jurassic Park movies when I was a kid (still do, though I haven't seen the third for some reason), and it's been raptors for me ever since. I also like dinos with interesting head shapes, such as dilophosaurus, allosaurus and parasaurolophus.

Velociraptor

i have that pic saved on my comp

Spinosaurus Aegyptus is my favorite indefinitely. About.com's Paranormal section has a thing about dinosaurs, and somewhere in there it said in the 70s a giant hole opened up near a mine and a baby Spiney came out Yeah right. In all seriousness, I first started to love Spinosaurus Aegyptus when I saw it in JP3... It's got the spine, the long arms, the croco head, and it's just awesome!

too bad it specialized in fish *hides*
jk

i thought the scientific name was Spinosaurus Aegyptiacus?

Dunno.

I have some sweet pics of Spinosaurus for you

by my favorite artist...Jim Marshall

i would check out his website...



JIM MARSHALL's Paintings

Have to go with the Raptors, smart, fast, deadly.

completely agree with Creepy Steve.

nice...I like raptors also...look at my Avatar

NONE, hell no i dont wanan appear in their belly....

that doesnt mean you have to hate them...

i never said i hate them BUT if i could control them then i would pick
Spinosaurus

you would probably need a bigger house to

Let me reveal mine now. Before I went on vacation to Alaska mine was the Iguanadon. After going to an Arctic dinosaur museum it is now an Arctic T-Rex. I cannot find much information on this species but it existed.









Dinosaurs in the Arctic?
Fossils of a carnivorous dinosaur have been found in the Canadian Arctic - high above the Arctic Circle.

Hans Larsson, a Canadian paleontologist, found the bones of a tyrannosaur on Bylot Island, off the northern tip of Baffin Island.

This beast would have been huge - perhaps up to 10 meters / 33 feet long and weighing as much as 2,500 kg / 5,500 pounds - with razor sharp teeth and claws. If polar bears had been around 70 million years ago, they would have had to give up their title of "largest land predator".

This is the first time any evidence has been found to put these predatory dinosaurs at such a high latitude. The Arctic was a very different place then - Bylot Island was forested - but a lot can happen in 70 million years.

is not a T-rex, its a tyrannosaur...theres a difference...LOl, it sounds a lot like Cryolophosaurus of the Antarctic..execpt Cryolophosaurus is sweeter...with its head crest and all...

I have read some rather naive comments on this thread that stated spinosaurus was a "weak-jawed specialist fish eater". This is total nonsense, and based only based on the fact that spinosaurus has a head/jaw structure similar to a crocodile. I wonder if these writers are aware of what big crocs mainly eat? Basically everything in africa smaller than an elephant, rhino or hippo that wanders close to a watering hole. And as for "weak jaws", guess what, crocodiles have the most powerful jaws of any living creature today, and very probably, the strongest of any animal that ever dwelt on this earth, because there were also giant crocs in prehistoric times that no dinosaur would ever want to tangle with.

The now famous duel between T-Rex and Spino in JP3 was created with the technical advise of knowledgeable paleontologists. Yes if the same size, a t-rex has a weight advantage, but the spino would have a wider mouth gape, and much larger, powerful arms to fight with compared to the almost useless arms of the T-Rex. Now, make the spino 25 feet longer than the T-Rex, like the original Spinosaurus Aegyptus, and the outcome is a "no brainer", obvious win for the Spino, for it now has every advantage, including weight. And if it wasn't noticed in the movie, yes, this spino was considerably larger than the T-Rex.
This is very apparent when you see the full size robotic dinos side by side, and its larger size is remarked in the movied diaglogue as well.

Spinosaurus still rules as the biggest, deadliest theropod ever discovered, and with its huge croc-like jaws, and the largest, strongest arms of any theropod, is more than a match for the biggest Allosaurids like Gigantosaurus as well. Some spino teeth have been found that suggest monsters of over 75 feet! I believe the spino grew larger than any other known theropod because it apparently shared the same swampy enviroment as the gigantic prehistoric crocs, and had to intimidate them to survive.

Oh, spino is very rare, but their teeth have been found imbedded in the vertebrae of two different pteranodon, and bones of an Iguanadon were found in the stomach region of the spino relative Baryonyx. They definately ate more than just "fish", just like crocodiles do.

Your speculation about the size of Spinosaurus aegypticus is your opinion...just like evreyone else's view....I could easily make an arguement that Carcharodontosaurus saharicus/ Giganotosaurus carolinii are the biggest carnivorous dinosaurs of all time...
The facts do not lie, to date, the largest dinosaur teeth ever found were 7 inch "steak knives" belonging to Giganotosaurus!

Also, you have no right to call people who say "Spinosaurus ate fish"
naive...I did not hear anyone call them weak-jawwed (correct me if I am wrong). Spinosaurus's teeth were adapted and designed to hold fish...They were conical and curved back...no way they were designed to slice through the meat of another dinosaur. Yes, I agree that they could of eaten other dinosaurs, and They did, BUT, it was because they are oppurtunistic feeders...just like how Crocodillian teeth are designed to snag fish, they don't mind snapping at birds, turtles, and mammals...

Also, to call JP accurate is higly doubtful...If the Spinosaurus was so carefully designed, then why were the Velociraptors blown way out of proportion? The allure of money and thematics is way too powerful for them to model the dinosaurs accurately

but what would we need dinos for?!?!!? if i would use it for errands and stuff i would choose a raptor ( its fast and deadly) or something cool that can fly ( not a aerodactyl )

Accident, what are you talking about?

i mean a USEFULL dino, for stuff like, GO TO THE STORE AND GET ME MILK , then i would ride my dino so its easy, like buying a car

Triceratops and the Tyrannosaurus Rex are my favorites, since those are the only dinosaurs I know about.





Rex.Here is some information on the Tyrannosaurus Rex

Saying Spinosaurus is the "largest known theropod" is neither speculative or opinon, it is fact, until fossil evidence of a larger theropod is found. Though incomplete, the original Holotype was calculated by competent paleontologists to be 65 feet long, and this has never been seriously challenged. As for tooth size, you can probably buy an original 7 inch spino tooth on ebay today if you look. I have one almost that long. Common sense should dictate that a spino tooth is a far deadlier "weapon" than the fragile "meat slicers" of the other theropods, very narrow and prone to breakage, unlike the stout, conical, indestructible, but equally long teeth of Spinosaurus, set in huge jaws that could easily punch through a giant turtle or T Rex skull with the same alacrity.

I agree that there are many faults in Jurassic Park, but in this case they merely took the largest sized, documented T-Rex and Spino and drew the "logical" conclusion. It is indeed naive to think a 40 foot theropod *without arms" (meaning arms too small to be useful in combat), would have any advantage against a 65 foot theropod with probably the largest arms of any carnosaur, much larger jaws, and the advantage of weight/mass. I did not even mention the thermal regulating sail, which may also allow Spinosaur to be active when other theropods are sluggish due to ambient terperatures. True, if the creatures were exactly the same size, Spino would not have all these advantages. Then it would be a fairly even match, with T-Rex's greater weight countered by Spino's much larger arms and jaws. Realistically though, I doubt the real life dinos, if they could be brought together, would risk a fight to the death unless they were starving. One would normally "back off".

Crocodiles are born as fish eaters, just as I am sure many theropods are born as insect eaters, irregardless of the dentition. But most large Nile Crocodiles however subsist almost entirely on large warm-blooded prey. Similar structured American crocs, even as adults, largely consume fish, but availability of prey has a lot to do with it. I have a 5 foot monitor lizard that has serrated narrow teeth exactly like a miniature T-Rex, and can swallow whole rabbits, but loves to eat banannas!

In short, the largest predatory dinosaur yet discovered probably ate "anything he wanted to", even if born a small, probable eater of fish and frogs in its apparent swampy environment.

Consider too that only one Spinosaur A. has been found and it was a huge monster some 35% bigger than the next largest Theropod. Over 20 T-Rexes have been found and around 40 feet is about the max. From only one specimen we have no idea if this is just a small, or average spino yet just this one is far bigger than every other known theropod. And even more significant, I even recall something in the description about certain bones not being fused yet, which indicated this huge spino was not even an adult yet! This is why an estimation of 75 feet for an adult is quite realistic. This would make it almost twice the size of an adult T Rex!

It is unfortunate that this greatest meat eating dinosaur ever found was blown to bits in Berlin during a WWII bombing raid. I hope more will be found soon.

ps. Yes the Velociprators were "too big" in JP, but we both know there were large Dromaesaurs by other names these could have accurately represented. They chose "Velociraptor" only because they thought the name was important, and they were right, for now it is a household word. Oh, Raptor Red was silly, and I believe most serious paleontologists count Bakker as something of a charlatan and ehibitionist, but don't take my word for it, talk to some of them.

There are several "faults" with what you say about Spinosaurus. First of all, the Specimen that was housed in berlin during WWII was only 45 feet long. It never was over 50! The media always stretch the truth. Still, the largest ever documented teeth belong giganotosaurus...no teeth has been documented longer.

Second, it is still not proved that Spinosaurus is the largest...Of right now, Carcharodontosaurus is the leader with 46 feet...That might change in the future...but untill then, Carcharodontosaurus is the heavyweight champion.

Third, I never said Spinosaurus never ate large herbivores, I just stated that their teeth are meant for fish, just like crocodiles...its a proven fact that they eat other dinosaurs....just like you said, availability of prey, and they are also oppurtunistic feeder.

Fourth, the "Velociraptors" in JP, although their size could fit another dromaeosaur, are way too fast and samrt, no way they could know how to open doors and push out wents, and no way they could run as fast as ostriches...

Fifth, for large prey and meat, teeth that belong to tyrannosaurs (steak knives) are much better suited than the stout, conical teeth of Spinosaurus and its realtives (baryonyx, Suchomimus, Irritator, and a albeiasaur in Madagascar).

PS, before you attack Bakker and my taste in books, please read his other books. Some people like Fictional stories...Bakker was just adding some creativity and humor to paleontology...RAPTOR RED is purely fictional.

There are other paleontologists that would say he added "fiction and creativity" to his supposed, "scientific" works as well. Many say his theories are flawed and reckless. Much of "Dinosaur Heresies" can be thrown out for what we now know about dinosaurs today.

A number of scholary works state the Berlin Holotype of Spinosaurus a. was 65 feet long, as well as the fact that it was appaently still a juvenile. Some paleonotologists are as "big a kid" as anyone else, and I am aware of those who are now trying to dispute this, wanting their favorite theropod to be "biggest" even if it obviously isn't.

The point though, from the very start of this discussion is that the JP3 Spino reflected this size superiority, so it was not unrealistic for the far bigger spino to be the victor in this battle.

how can anyone not like the edmontosaurus? it's like the spirit of a giant puppy dog in the body of a giant rubber duckie. with a few minor changes, of course.

Why's it walking on water

hey, i have that pic on my comp...its from artist JIm Marshalll...its not walking on water, its puddles after a storm....

Edmontonsaurus was not like a PUPPY DOG!!! Dinosaurs did not behave like those....they just don't goes romping around...Edmontonsaurus was a large, gentle herbivore that moved leisurely in herds, unless it sensed danger

Draconic Chronicler, forget JP!!!!!

We cant trust some scholars who just say that the Berlin Specimen was 65 feet long! It was measure at 45...unless the skeleton grew, or the scholars exaggurated...it could not be 65 feet!
I have never read that the Berlin specimen was proved a juvenile...may i ask, can I read the source (if any) where you got that information?

"Some paleonotologists are as "big a kid" as anyone else, and I am aware of those who are now trying to dispute this, wanting their favorite theropod to be "biggest" even if it obviously isn't."
Can't I just apply that to you and other "pro-spinosaurus" paleontologists? And my favorite theropod was Saurophaganx....If i wanted to, I could say thats the biggest, because of scientists "rough" estimates calculated it at over 50 feet...but I am not taking that until it is proven! Just the same with Spinosaurus, until it is PROVEN it is the biggest, I wont accept it and Carchadontosaurus will still be the "largest"
THATS WHY I am asking for your sources (if any) that say "Spinosaurus....65 ft...juvenile" I really want to read those....

Frogfish,
In Gregory Paul's Predatory Dinosaurs of the World it states "Spinosaurus is probably the worlds longest Theropod" and that it was still immature because of lack of fusion between upper and lower vertebrae. It was another book that extrapolated it was at least 65 feet since this "baby" was still was over 50 feet long!. (which should beat both Giganto and Carcho, and this is still an immature specimen with more room to grow!

Add the largest jaws of any theropod, the largest, most powerful arms, the only thermoregulating sail, and the densest, strongest teeth, and you have the greatest carnivorous dinosaur ever discovered, and probably, that ever walked the earth. Facts are facts.