I say again, the Berlin specimen was only 45 feet long!
Until a bigger Spino is discovered, Carchandontosaurus is the largest ever...who knows, there might even be bigger predators...

plus, the most powerful ars are a throw-up with Baryonx and Suchomimus. And I would still prefer Tyrannosaur teeth to SPinosaur teeth for eating meat...

another thing...Gregory Paul said PROBABLY...so until a bigger Spinosaurus is discovereed, its not...Im not against You, or Spinosaurus, but Im going to stay with te biggest proven Theropod...
Seismosaurus was 165 ft long, and some scientists say it choked on a large gastrolith...some scientists also say that it could grow another 50 ft!
Thats doesnt mean its true...unless a 210 ft. Seismosaurus is found...

I know they are not really like puppies, but with this picture i couldn't help but make the comparison. he seems to be frolicking in this pic, and i can just imagine him running up to someone and giving that person big, sloppy, wet kisses.

i can't...

Very true, but the JP3 movie didn't get the fight right.....Spinosaurus or not, if the T-Rex would have gotten a hold of his neck like he did in the movie it would be OVER! The spinosaurus is a little bigger, but the T-Rex still has the strongest bite out of all the huge theropod dinosaurs.... So if T-Rex ever got a hold of a Spinos neck the spino would be dead, end of story.... Especially if he got a hold of the neck and managed to knock the spino onto the ground like in the movie. In that way the JP3 fight was retarded. But like you said, in a real fight the Spinosaurus would have a lot of advantages; but still, if it went down like in the movie, or if a T-Rex ever got a hold of a Spinos neck, the T-Rex would win.

On a further note, if the two species of dinosaur ever lived in the same region it's a lot more likely that the T-Rex's would be hunting the Spinosaurus's, contrary to what JP3 made you believe. The reason for that, would be the theory that T-Rexes may have hunted in packs. That theory is just a theory, but if it was correct, a group of T-Rexes wouldn't have a problem corning a larger (probably more slower) theropod. The Rex's strength in numbers would probably keep most Spinosaurus's extremely afraid of a Rex encounter because there would always be the chance of other Rex's around.

But now that I've started thinking about JP3 and JP in general, I would just like to point out the fact that as entertaining as they are they're not very accurate. Especially in JP3. Like the Pterosaurs that attacked the people and tried to feed them to their young, lol, give me a break. Why the heck would a dinosaur that eats mainly fish try to eat a human? Let alone try to feed the much larger, still alive, creature to its' small young? Another dumb thing about JP is the size of the velociraptors, which aren't as big as they're made out to be. You can imagine the disappointment I had when I learned the terrifying velociraptors were only 4ft tall. But even with un accuracy, I hope they do get around to making JP4.....there just aren't any other good dinosaur movies out there.


My Favorite Dinos are:

1. T-Rex; 2. Giganatosaurus/Caracharadontosaurus (which I believe is the African counterpart of Giganatosaurus.....from what I've seen it's the same Dino but called a different name because it's on a different continent); 3. Spinosaurus; 4. Acrocanthosaurus; 5. Argentinasaurus; 6. Stegosaurus; 7. Ankylosaurus; 8. Torosaurus; 9. Allosaurus; 10. Triceratops

Frogfish,
Thats probably the best Theropod book on the market, a definative, analytic catalogue of all types, with no speculation or agenda like Bakker. This book lists the skeleton at over fifty feet plus the fact it is a juvenile. You are living in denial, which is silly because their just a bunch of dead dinos anyway.

For their size, yes Baryonyx and others might have larger arms, but Spino appears to be a much larger species than Baryonyx. There is no mention of the skeleton being a juvenile unlike the original spino, which was a JUVENILE, besides still being the longest recorded theropod ever recorded! Get over it.

Essence, I agree that if a healthy T-Rex had the spinos neck it its jaws, it would kill it, normally, but since we are discussing a movie scene, and the spino broke free, we can try to find a logical reason, and can surmise that the T-Rex must have had some malady or injury rendering its jaw muscles extremely weak. Perhaps this is why it was interested in such small prey as humans. Would a lone t-rex in real life pick a fight with a 30% larger theropod, probably not, it would probably have backed off, just like "real" animals would today. There is nothing to say spinos didn't live in packs/family groups, just as is speculated for T-Rex.

I agree about the man-eating pterosaurs being dumb too, in real life they would probably ignore anything too big to swallow whole, just like aquatic birds with similar beaks unsuitable for ripping prey in smaller pieces. Aquatic birds can swallow some surprisingly large prey whole, and I am sure some of the larger pterosaurs could swallow human child sized prey but not adults, unless some new super pterosaur is discovered.

I also believe in the first movie, the Brachiosaurs would have probably eaten the little kids in the trees. It is a mistake to automatically brand any dino as a pure Herbivore. Dinos are closely related to birds, and there are no birds that are pure herbivores either, except maybe specialist seed eaters like parrots. Nearly all others, even if predominately vegetarian, will still swallow whole any small animal they can catch. I have a duck that loves to swallow live mice, though they are mostly herbivorous. That should be considered before wanting to get "kissed" by a gigantic, "cute" duck billed dinosaur, though to my knowledge none are large enough to attempt swallowing a human, but certainly smaller animals, just like a duck does.

All in all, despite their errors, JP movies are still fun. I'd rather see an incorrect dino movie than no dino movie.

The Spinosaurus! was never more than 50 feet long!!!
it was measured at 45 feet!
I am not denying that Spinosaurus is a large Carnivore...it could probably grow larger! Same with Giganatosaurus...it could probably have grown larger too...But until for sure that the Spinosaurus specimen was proven at 50 feet..or another is found...the largest theropod is Carcharodantosaurus

Frogfish,
The most comprehensive Theropod book available says its over 50 feet, and all Paul is trying to do is catalogue every theropod, no secret agendas like Bakker. And he also confirms the fact that it is still immature. What makes you think your "source" is more reliable than this highly acclaimed, Academy of Science scholary work?. Because some guy who wrote a disney-type book about anthpomorphic raptors says its only 45 feet? Paul consistently describes every known predatory dinosaur. I consider him a far more reliable author.

I never said Bakker wrote that..I dont even think he mentioned Spinosaurus in any of his works....it is that there are MANY OTHER highly acclaimed scholars who say its 45 feet...such as Ronald Currie, the foremost paleontologist on theropods...Gregory Paul is outnumbered, and also, he is guessing that it could grow up and over 50 feet! Its called a prediction, and they don't always come true....

You say that Spinosaurus is still a juvenile? I dont disagree or agree with that, because i have never heard that information...but until an "Adult" is found, then the longest Spinosaurus is 45 feet! For all we know, Carcharadontosaurus could of been a juvenile!

Frogfish,
If the largest Charcodonasaurus was a juvenile, the reports and papers would say so. They don't, so it obviously wasn't.

They do say the largest Spinosaurus was a Juvenile. Paul also says that Spinosaur was over 50 feet because it had more vertebrae than the largests T Rex ever found. Maybe that will make sense to you, it does to me.

Its gone know, so we may never know for sure, but the fact remains, that even as a Juvenile, it is virtually the same size as the largest Adults of all other contending theropods. I am rather surprised that you don't "get this".

as far as im concerned, only you and Gregory Paul were the only ones that concluded that Spinosaurus was a juvenile...No word from Currie, and other paleontologists. More vertebrae doesn't indicate length...that is mere speculation. many garter snakes and rat snakes have more vertebrae, and they rarely grow over 4 feet...
I say that until a larger theropod is found, we will never agree on this topic

i always get a kick out of how so many people *love* the velocilraptor, but if it wasnt for jurassic park they wouldnt even know it existed

my favorite dino are the Ankylosauridae.

the family ankylosauridae or species ankylsaurus?

^
l like the family.

how do u post pic's anyway

I like that pinkish one up there.

I dont know how to explain...BUt you can attach files

Master Geek. Do you use an image hosting service?

like photobucket or imagebarrel or imageshack or imagecave.....and so on

Allosaurus or T-Rex have always been my fav...

then you would like Saurophaganax...look it up

Was that to me, Frogfish?

oh no, sorry
it was to JayRob

Oh, where did Geek go?

I like the Triceratops

Actually, those weren't even velocicaptors in the Jurassic park film. That just happened to be the coolest name to use for these dromasaurs. Real velociraptors were much smaller, like the "spitter" Dilophosaurus, which ironically, should have been much bigger than the Raptors! And of course, now we know there were even bigger Utahraptors.

Im back and i have no idea wat that is but how do u post pics is all like internet files beacause i hav no dino pics

yeah and they weren't even spitters

No, this picture is no exaggeration even if there are no conclusive evidence that the monster shark Megalodon is still alive. Carcharodon megalodon evolved during the early Miocene epoch, about twenty million years ago, and lived until about two or three million years ago. Scientists suspect that the monster sharks main prey were the large whales, which evolved at about the same time.

Back to Megalodon: According to the hundreds of Megalodon teeth that have been pulled from the oceans and rock beds of the world, the monstrous fish may have reached lengths close to 80 feet. Next to the sperm whale, that would make Megalodon possibly the largest predator that has ever lived, including the land dinosaurs.

the "velociraptors" looked a bit like deinonychus to me. the dilophosaurs had the double crest on their head, but the fans at the sides? no.

i don't think dinosaurs need to be "enhanced" for the movies. they are cool enough as it is.

Gojirasaurus, a small yet deadly killer.

this is my favourite type of Dinosaur

I'm a flying dino fan, ptero-whatevers.

How can you tell...its impossible...unless you are going by size

Does anyone like any intresting dinosaurs, not those generic dinos like Triceratops, T-rex, Velociraptors....etc?

This isn't the MEG thread dude, but even if it could possibly grow to 80, that is about the same size as the latest Shonisaurus, COMPLETE in a canadian museum, and not just a handful of teeth. It is a predator too, and probably weighed more than any MEG, and possibly more than the longer blue whale.

Besides size frogfish, I believe true velociraptors have a longer, more pointed snout than some of the larger species, probably to reach into crevices to catch lizards, rodents and other small prey.

THANK YOU dc

anyone who has looked at the skeletons of the deinonychus and the velociraptor will find it impossible to mistake the two.

it's sorta like looking at a cow that someone is calling a deer.

you can 't tell in JP though, you should know that

My favorite is the Utahraptor

Name: Utahraptor
Pronunciation: YOO-tah-RAP-tor
Meaning: Robber from Utah
Animal Type: Dinosaur (dromaeosaur)
Dietary Type: Carnivore
Size:Up to 6.5 metres long
Up to 2 metres high
Weight: Up to almost a tonne
Major Fossil Finds: Eastern Utah

Utahraptor is known from a well-preserved skeleton found in 1991 in Utah, USA and fragmentary remains from South America. It was the largest of a group of lightly-built carnivores, called the dromaeosaurs ('swift lizards'). Utahraptor had large eyes, long grasping hands and powerfully clawed feet. Clearly it was carnivorous, but was distinctive in relying on a wickedly hooked, slashing claw on each foot rather than the jaws and teeth of a typical predator.

Its toe joints were specially enlarged so that its massive claw could be raised upward and backward to avoid damage while running. But when used in attack, its claw flexed forward as the animal kicked out.

To help it balance on one foot while kicking, its tail was made to act like an acrobat's balancing pole, being stiffened by a sheath of fine bony rods. Swinging in a wide arc its huge 20 cm slashing claw would produce terrible wounds enabling a Utahraptor to cripple and kill animals much larger than itself. The discovery of a number of skeletons of the closely related dromaeosaur, Deinonychus, around the skeleton of a large plant eater suggests that dromaeosaurs may well have hunted in packs.

The dromaeosaur group also included Velociraptor, made famous by Steven Spielberg in "Jurassic Park". For the film, Velociraptor was made twice its actual size, which seemed to be very speculative at the time. However, within a year of the release of the film, a giant dromaeosaur had been found, namely Utahraptor. So life can be stranger than fiction!



utahraptor

Raptor Red is a nice fantasy starring Utahraptor...read it!

After Jurassic Park I started to enjoy the Velociraptor, but my all-time favorites are the T-Rex and Plesiosaurus.

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the picture is Gorgosaurus libratus

and its very good choise



i love all kind of Tyrannosaurids and also Carnosaurs (Allosaurids & Sinraptorids) except Carcharodontosaurids
[attachmentid=20127] = Allosaurus fragilis (Allosauridae)
[attachmentid=20128] = Daspletosaurus torosus (Tyrannosauridae)
[attachmentid=20129] = Yangchuanosaurus shangyouensis (Carnosauria? i.s.)

Why??? *sniff*

Try saying this dino's name three times fast:

Yangchuanosaurus shangyouensis


In fact, can anyone said it at least once?

i can say it once
But that is not a reason to hate the beloved Carcharodontosaurus...

If you can't say it, hate it.

ummmmmmmmm....ill remeber that :/

I think Carcharodontosaurids (Carcharodontosaurus saharicus, Giganotosaurus carolinii, ?Acrocanthosaurus atokensis, ?Neovenator salerii & ?Tyrannotitan chubutensis) could say as cool for their size but very are simple & primitive..... Actually i don't why don't like them......
They are so ugly creatures except A. atokensis....
Actually i love all kind of Dinos, i started intersted them when i was 7 (before the JP series), i could draw T-rex, hadrosaurs & similiar dinosaurs such as Triceratops... now i am 23 years old.....

could you clear that up?

I basically like raptors and T-Rex and it's relatives (Albertasaurus, Allosaurus, ect.). Although they weren't technicaly dinos, plesiosaurs are also pretty interesting.