Source: http://www.infoshop.org/inews/article.php?...050819185544407

Really quite disturbing. I don't know if it's true or not, I've never heard of the source website before, but still.

Capital punishment has gone too far these days!!!!

Shoplifting is wrong but the man was just getting diapers for his kid, how could they judge him so harsh and have complete disregard for his life like that! Diapers! It was only diapers.

I googled the head line and got 5 other sources talking about the same story.

so horrible.

and they didn't even know for sure whether or not he DID shoplift, only that they SUSPECTED him of doing it.
that was overkill to the extreme. when you already have someone subdued and you keep restraining them. it was clear that the man wasn't going anywhere- like the attorney said, cuff him to a stationary object.

america these days.

Why didn't any of the witnesses try to stop them?

So....it must be true right? NOT!! Not at all. It is a hoax story.

No city name is given. No AP story...no main stream media at all....

I just think it is amazing how many people just glom onto a story without the faintest thought process as to whether or not it is true.

Walmart employees are trained to call the police...not chase down and tackle shoplifters. This story is bogus.

I agree, I work as a casual at a supermarket while I do my schooling and we are not trained or advised to chase shoplifters. Although we are in a massive mall and can just call security. The general policy though is to just call the police or confront them in the aisle, not chase them and restrain them.

Source

The listed source is a subscription type online news paper. The Cleveland Advocate

Also the Houston Chronical carried two stories about the incident

One on 8/9/05 A Tuesday and again the following day. Both stories were in section A page one.

From the 9th


from the 10th.

the Houston Chronical archives are a paid subscription service, but you can see past stories in their search engine.


The Story is not a hoax. Can't believe everything you google.

I am a Loss Prevention Supervisor for a major department store and I can tell you I have serious doubts that this story is true. Most stores to NOT advocate a agessive arrest policy. Chasing and tackling are strongly discouraged. I might add if a tackle did occurr its not LP's fault pavement was hot! Choke holds or any use of unnecessary force would result in termination of LP. Far as it being a Father stealing diapers means little of than to gain pity for shoplifter Stealing is stealing!. Reading story I really doubt it happened many things that are absolutes in LP were NOT evident. No I have to believe story false!

If this story is true. It's very sad.

Yet, I kinda hold it a little suspect. I've known many people who work in LP & very few have actually chased someone down. They usually just get discription & the like. They very rarely went outside of the store, except to watch. Why? Cause you never know what may be waiting for you!!

I did have one friend about 18 years ago chase someone out of a store---at closing time. Big mistake. The shop-lifter has 4 friends waiting in the parking lot. He got the #e!! beat out of him.

I'd hope that LP practices has wisened up to the realities of this world since the late 80s!!! Watch, get as much info & evidence as possible & turn it over to the police. They are the ones trained to apprehend criminals.

Oh, my friend? He got the #e!! beat out of him for a couple of $20.00 shirts!!!

So I hope this story is not true. If it is, Wally-world better re-think their policy on LP. Before someone else gets killed!

40nrockinon

As a Loss Prevention Supervisor I can assurre you it is NOT recommneded to chase anyone outside of any area you can expect help or place syou in danger. this is pretty much the norm throughout industry. Now stores in Malls may pursue more than others because they have Mall Security and/or PD help. Walmart would not fit into that. I know some LP from Walmart and all say same thing pursuit of any subject is highly discouraged and anyone pursueing someone too far from safety will be facing HR

I googled the headline too . . . and found not one reputable news source. Surely if it were true, it would have made news in the main stream media. The sources on google had one thing in common . . . all posted the contributer as being named "Anon".

It is hard to beleive that something like this would happen. Walmart's butt would have a lawsuit and be in so much trouble.

The story doesn't ring true, there's too many points of error in it.

OMG..if this is true..I hope they all see their day in court. I can see subduing him then taking him into the security office inside the building. But tackling him and holding him to the ground? I work at Lowe's and if we have a suspected shoplifter, once they leave the store you can only ask them to come back in if you have suspiciuon. You cannot forcefully make them reenter the building. You CANNOT chase them down and tackle them. A shame that a new baby had to loose his father like that.

I am familar with Lowes and their policy. Most stores are same you can pursue withn reason that reason being within safe distance of backup. Safe pursuit that noone including suspect is in danger example no pursuits in parking areas. finally no pursuit if suspect is armed or suspected to be armed. Now force each store has its own policy on this but the norm is reasonable force! reasonable force will VERY rarely result in injury. a tackle would be ok under certain conditions but the intentional harming of suspect will result in termination! These are tricky areas as Loss Prevention has many rules much stricter than PD must follow. Based on this report (which I believe false) these LP's were out of line and should be terminated. If I was their LPS they would be gone or lose thepower of arrest until retraining at very least.

I'm always eyeballed, like I'm stealing something...

Knowing me, I would be the next one to get tackled, and killed

Being an experienced Loss Prevention supervisor my first question is How do you KNOW your being watched"? After that I can address they why.

Holy crap the guy was just stealing diapers for his 2 months old! Now this kid gotta grow up without a father

Not exactly the article has yet to be proven correct. No one can find article but from one source. A story like this woyuld have been reprinted in many places only source is someone named "anon" no AP article etc likely to be true

I worked this out resentally, anon mean anonomous

Whether or not the topic story is true, I have personally seen something very similar happen as I was leaving a department store in the town nearest me (not a Walmart). The floor manager, who didn't look much over 18 himself, though dressed in a fancy suit, chased after a teenage boy, out into the parking lot. He jumped on the kid's back and knocked him down hard onto the concrete. He then grabbed the kid by the scruff of the neck and pulled him back up. This manager fella was red in the face and looked like he could explode any minute. As he marched the kid back into the store I saw a small trickle of blood coming from the kid's nose. I was stunned. Other people standing about thought it was unnecessary (as did I), and were saying things like "All that over a pair of sunglasses!?" Apparently the kid attempted to steal a pair of sunglasses. I can easily see how the tackle could have gone very wrong....if the boy's head had slammed into the concrete. I'd bet that it happens more often than we think.

I know that walmart security in Newfoundland thing they ar GI Joes. There is this one guy by the name of Ray in St. John's who really has a bad attitude. he used to work for Zellers but apparently they had to fire him because of attitude problems. The store has been warned about hinm on several occassions. Two years ago he was chasing a suspected theft or a customer in the store and almost knocked over a cart with my five year old daughter in it. Somebody definately has to take a reighns on wal mort's security here in Newfoundland.