Is God or was God an extra terrestrial visitor? Was the star of bethlehem a ufo?
was ezekiels wheel where he describes 4 living creatures and a wheel within a wheel and they were lifted up really an E.T intelligence close encounter?
And whats happening with noahs ark? have they found it or what?

Yeah, Ezekiel's wheel was a UFO, but I'm unwilling to go beyond that. They did build the pyramids, though.

Hemm, I ah, don't think so, starman. Christianity was started by us humans. As far as Ezekiel's wheel, who knows, I'd rather not hazard a guess.

What about the Flaming Chariot?

Since Chariot back in that time was something for transportation, it could have been anything.

As for the flames, they had no word for 'lights' back then, since electricity did not exist. Thus, if they saw lights, chances are, they would refer to a light, as a flame.

It could of very easily been an extra terrestrial craft.

Flaming chariot can be found in folklore.

Saint Il'ya-the-Prophet's Day (Den' Il'i-proroka)is on august the 2nd. Saint Il'ya-the-Prophet is one of the most popular Saints in Russia. According to folk beliefs Il'ya commands rain, thunder and lighting. It is he who sends rain on earth. He is one of the Devil's main enemies.

Saint Il'ya rushes through the sky in a fire-chariot during a thunderstorm and throws fire-arrows in the Devil who runs on earth.

A thunderstorm is expected to happen on this day usually, and one does.

It’s hard to say when the first chariots appeared, but it is known that they existed since the 3rd millennium BC in Babylon. Ritual and battle chariots were found by archeologists on the territory of the ancient town Kisha and the ancient city-state Ura. There are a lot of objects with chariots’ description, their clay and bronze models in different museums all over the world.

The "Flaming chariot" is also depicted in art such as the Legend of St Francis
vision of the flaming chariot which can be seen here:

http://www.kfki.hu/~arthp/html/g/giotto/as..._1/franc08.html
infact even today some people still claim to be having this type of vision such as
The Holy Spirit and His Flaming Chariot of Fire a Vision by Bonnie Franklin 9/16/02
which can be found here:

http://www.propheticroundtable.org/BonnieF...ing_chariot.htm

Yes i suppose it could be interpreted as a ufo, ufos are seen in many guises and the definition of ufo is "unidentified" after all. The historic perspective is always interesting as planes and flying vehicles where not a common thing of the time.

Am I the only person who finds it vaguely depressing that some people are willing to surrender every human achievement, physical and spiritual to aliens. Do they consider humans so lumpen and dull and hapless that they're incapable of anything even vaguely ingenious?

Some people may like to think of their whole species as utterly impotent, but I for one find it a very gloomy philosophy.

Well said, Aslan.

Very true Aslan. I'm personaly facinated by the idea that there was a ancient civilisation that was far more advanced than we give our ancestors credit for.
I'm not talking high technology here, but maybe technology at least as advanced as the west just prior to the industrial revolution.
To answer Starman's question i would like to believe that those old testament stories or at least some, are memories from that time, handed down by generation, the story slowly changing over time. I keep on meaning to to reread all that stuff, so i thank you for reminding me.

At the moment the best theory about the Ark is that it is on Mt Ararat if it is anywhere - there are many pictures supposedly showing it - but i'll point out one further interesting detail - There is a Noah myth in many cultures around the world - all slightly different, some built boats, some went to the top of mountains. It doe kind of suggest that the flood was real and that it was a global event.

The star of bethlehem and ezekiels wheel are definately UFOs, in the sense that they are unidentified. I would say that the former was a comet. The latter? who knows, very intriguing

I'll rephrase then - the best i've heard

There was a talk that made a very good case for the ark being on Ararat that i attended in the Fortean Times Unconvention last year - i wrote it up and it's on a thread somewhere (i imaging in the 'general' section) - see what you think

maybe every religion was founded as a result of ETs....we just dont know.

*shakes head* Damn, I thought that no one around here takes me seriously. The alien thing was a running joke throughout my BA. As a history major, it was fun to blame/implicate aliens for every major human achivement. Well, I thought it was funny.

I often believe that the Bible is 'based' on fact and HAS changed throughout many many years of translation and rewording. But it IS interesting to think of the flood as a historical fact. If it did happen and their WAS an ark built by a man named Noah, I just don't think that much, if anything at all would be remaining. Especially a large recognizeable piece of boat sitting on a mountain. It just doesn't seem fathomable, unless for minimal weathering/erosion and frozen temperatures. It's hard for me to say that I don't believe some things in the Bible since I was raised Catholic, but this darn science thing is killing me......

When i started this thread "Was Christianity started by Aliens" it was to generate open discussion but i never noticed this article from this months ufo mag so it raised a smile when i saw the headline

"Did Christianity Come From Outer Space?" and it says the following.

"Christianity may have spread from outer space, according to a report on an impact crater published in New Scientist. Created in the fourth or fifth centuries by an asteroid exploding `like a nuclear blast` in the italian Apennine mountains, the crater explains the legend of a falling star and the conversion of Roman Emperor Constantine to Christianity."

"Constantine (288-337 AD) converted in 312, after seeing an amazing vision of a sign of the cross in the sky. He won a crushing victory against Emperor Maxentius, who challenged his authority. As a result, the western empire fell into Constantine`s hands, a conversion to Christianity followed, and anti-Christian fervour ended."


Further research has came up with this article from New Scientist date 2001

"Early Christians hid the origins of the Bethlehem star"
A US astronomer claims he has found the first mention of the star of Bethlehem outside the Bible. The reference is in a 4th-century manuscript written by a Roman astrologer and Christian convert called Firmicus Maternus.

Michael Molnar, formerly of Rutgers University in New Jersey, is the originator of the idea that the star of Bethlehem was not a spectacular astronomical event such as a supernova or a comet but an obscure astrological one.

"Maternus did not mention Jesus's name," says Molnar. "But Roman astrology was a popular craze at the time and everyone reading the book would have known the reference was to Jesus and that the astrological event was the star of Bethlehem."

"I take Molnar's work quite seriously," says Owen Gingerich, a historian of astronomy at Harvard University. "Anything he comes up with along these lines has to be considered as being very likely correct."


read the full article here:

http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?...p?id=ns99991713

okay Starman you came very close to making sense. I still think you need to take your medication.

Do you have any...... spare please.

there are those who say jesus was an alien, and if you don't believe in jesus and his death on the cross then you don't agree with history, the discovery channel said basically every historian in america believed it happened, not that they believe it has any spiritual meaning. i remember of seeing a painting of jesus's crucifiction once, and there was a red ufo by his leg.

kinda like jesse james the famous outlaw??? well, some say that angels were aliens, and they say that jesus was talking about returning to heaven, which could mean "the heavens" and note that when he "rose again" he ascended in a bright light surrounded by "angels"...

I was of the supposition that The Heavens were always assumed to be space?
as opposed to heaven with pearly white gate etc

I think Jesus very well could have been a real person, but an alien? Give us some credit, man.

I never said Jesus was an alien at any point but it is always a possibility as the bible seems to be full of ufo stories where balls of light and living creatures appear that are intelligent and flying some kind of vehicle with wheels.

Uranium101, a question. The direction your posts are heading is slightly at odds with your signature. Is it possible for a Jesus who died for the sins of humanity and rose into heaven..etc to also be a Jesus who is, in actual fact, an alien. Jesus' having an extra-terrestrial origin and Jesus' claiming to be the son of God are surely mutually exclusive concepts. He was one or the other, unless among their other many purported powers, aliens also have the capacity to expunge original sin.

i was stating a theory... anyway, i am a christain and believe all that, but my boring science teacher said he was an alien (he's wierd) and said that "god" was the mothership. but that is because he is wierd... in fact, all of my teachers were wierd....

That's because we know things that you wouldn't even believe. (*)







(*)Like basic spelling and grammar for instance.

Why can't you believe that humankind is capable of something that may actually be good for the planet? Aliens built the pyramids, Jesus was an alien, aliens steal your spare socks, leaving you with none that match. Starman, why do you have so little faith in people?

@ Aslan & SP

now wait just a second, i'm beginning to get confused here... this is getting wierd...

Starman, you seem to see conspiracies everywhere, is what I'm saying. YOu don't seem to want to give mankind any credit for anything is all.

he's raciast against his own kind. or yet, perhaps nasa has run several secret missions that totally explain the phenomina and have the answer at this moment. perhaps it is all just tricks of the light or natural rock formations.

I think the human race was ignorant back then (and still is to some extent)...they tought the earth was flat for gods sake. So I don´t mind giving up the pyramids or anything else to aliens (or something). I think humans still are cavemen basically.

Posted this link in another thread....but look at these old paintings
Link

Thanks for the link. Very interesting but i just found something i believe ever more astounding. I have been looking for a connection between extra terrestrials and the ancient egyptians but have failed miserably for years and i just stubbled across it tonight.
Maybe you are aware of it but i was not. It blew me away when i seen it. Its creepy and fascinating and it could explain why the pyramids are so advanced even by todays standards. The article states the following:

"inside the Tomb of Ptah-Hotep, at Saqqara, Egypt, which dates back to the 5th Dynasty is a mural with an 'alien grey' in the bottom of the picture! Does this prove that the building and placement of the Pyramids were aided by alien intelligence?

We have only been able to find the three images of this picture that you see here and have learned that this particular wall mural does not appear in any official guidebooks!... I wonder why? I have found out however that a picture showing this same mural is in an old book called 'In The Shadow Of The Pyramids - Egypt during the Old Kingdom'.
The implications of the discovery of this ancient stone picture that includes the alien are absolutely huge! and could be one of the most important clues to alien intervention into our ancient history ever made! This picture could explain why the Egyptians appeared to be so technically advanced, and how they were able to build the Pyramids with such precision. For instance the coffin in The Great Pyramid was cut so accurately that we could not even recreate a similar coffin out of rock today - even with our laser technology! It also ties in with the Egyptians infatuation with Orion. The three Pyramids at Giza have been proven to line up exactly with 'the belt' in the constellation of Orion (Discovered by Graham Hancock and Robert Bauval). We also have to remember that Betelgeuse, which is a star in the Orion constellation has been suggested in ancient history as the home planet of aliens that have visited Earth."

To read the full article and see a picture of the ancient egyptian mural with what appears to be a Gray please visit the following link.

http://www.darkstar1.co.uk/cosmicegypt.html

If this does not make you re-assess your opinions of the Egyptians then i doubt anything ever will.

I have discussed this link you are talking about many times(pyramids-Aliens), mostly with my brother, (who is a network technician among other things)
I´m not really sure that they investigated the sfinx enough either.
The pyramids all over the world is fascinating stuff.

Find the cutted mountain tops in Peru interesting (runway), and will look for some pages on that.

ok...Jesus wasnt an alien, izekial's wheel wasnt a UFO, God isnt a mothership. the Bible says plain as day, Jesus was a man in every way. CHristianity was started by Him and his decsiples, therefore started by God himself. and the flaming chariot was just that, a chariot with flames on it. also, Noah's ark...it landed on mount ararat. if u look there (if its not a pile of dirt after thousands and thousands of years) u would find it, plus since that was thousands of years ago, ud prolly hafta look not on or in the mountain but maybe under and around the mountain, alot can happen in that much of a time period, or maybe Noah took the ark apart and used it for sacrifices, or building houses, or just fire wood...

and just to clear things up, i believe that aliens are around, and have been for quite some time, i believe in aliens just as much as i believe in Jesus.well, not as much...but theyre up there.

Can we take it then that you're not going to take part in this particular discussion?

mmmmmmmmaaaaaaaaaaybe.........

hi there,

I'm new to this forum, so hey. My view on Christianity being created by humans was set in stone until i dove into the subject and found there is too much to disperse. For example, there were many many 'Christs' throughout history - the Zoroastrians being the oldest cult to date. And many of the stories seem to be 'borrowed' from another religion and slightly changed to suit themselves and control the population using fear tactics, sounds a lot like our friendly neighborhood millitant Gov't doesnt it < >. A book you may find interesting called " The Holy Blood and The Holy Grail " kept me glued to it's pages. Although i'm not one to immediately believe what appears real, i look for evidence and anylize everything i find before accepting it. It's a really deep subject i'd like to go into further with others here. As for the whole alien thing, yes i believe but i am mixed as to what exactly they are and from what dimensions. I've seen one, 7 mths ago, they're what you would call 'Rods' as well as other 'oddities'. Anyways, ttfn

my question is why we focus this disscussion of christianity? what all the other religions on this planet? are you saying man created all others by himself, not w/ the aid of aliens? if intelligent alien life exist at all? or if our lives are just dreams by slugs?

Rods are a fascinating phenomenon. I have yet to capture one on film. Were the rods by any chance seen in America?

where the hell, did rods come up in this discussion?

@Aslan