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The thing that I find strangest is how the Christians argue and argue, totally ignoring the fact that even if it could be proven that the Universe was created, there is no guarantee that the source of creation would be a humanoid, temperamental, blood thirsty god that can’t seem to foresee the future and has to put constant patches on his creation (flood, tower of Babel, Sodom and Gomorra, Exile, Return, Messiah, etc). The Creator is probably more like what we Deists see him, a “hands-off” deity that gave us a life friendly universe, a conscience to guide us and true Free-Will with no strings attached (unlike the my way or the highway of Jehovah/YHWH).

Not at all. Its a misunderstanding on your part. Its the religious that say the atheists say big bang came from nothing. I have yet to see one that claims that, and even if there were some atheists that did claim that, how could it be a double standard if I personally dont? BTW, it wasnt a rock neither.

It is simple actually.....

It is hard Not to believe in something when it is in your heart... and God lives in my heart... he is always with me... and I always feel his presence... how could I not believe in something that is with me all the time!

i do belive in god

but its not a person or a god as such

but when you talk to the dead aline beings energys from times pasted
you get a better understaning of what god is

It's possible if you're all powerful. Wouldn't he be able to do the impossible? Or at least what we consider impossible?


Kinda like I snap my fingers and a baby appears. The baby did come from nothing if I didn't have ingredients right? But I made it.....

But that simply would show that its possible, therefore shows that its not impossible for something to be created from nothing, therefor nullifying the need of a god.



No, because if he can do it, its not impossible.



As I said, if he can do what we consider impossible, its not impossible.



But you really didnt make a baby from nothing, did you?

IF is a word, isn't it? Maybe the word IF should be taken out of your vocabulary if you do not use it?




I said it would be possible only if you were all powerful. You say there would be no need for God then right? Well, let's say you're right, but then you'd need something that is "All Powerful" to start it because that's the only way it would be possible.


That's why I said or impossible to us. If it's possible only for him to do it, doesn't it make it impossible to do it if he didn't exist? The idea is it's not impossible to do it, because God can do it, but it's impossible for anyone else to do it, other than God.

We HAVE to go somewhere when we die, right?? What would the meaning of life be??

it really just explains a lot if god exists.

One thing that baffles me so much is IF many Athiests say the big bang could have come from "nothing"- then why is it impossible that God came from "nothing"? Athiests love to say "Oh if God is real- then WHAT or WHO created God" but if the Big Bang is real- everything had a beginning then who or what created the Big Bang and where did it come from? If you havent read up on it there are MANY problems involving the Big Bang theory- it has plot holes galore. I can give you many scientific documentations as to why the Big Bang theory is deeply flawed.

No...we don't know anything about the BB.
But in each case, on all levels, it's more believable than a bearded, old, homophobic man in the sky made earth in six days.

Huh?



What you say doesnt matter. What matters is that, if god can supposedly do it, then it shows that its possible that that happens, therefor its also possible that something unintelligent, unconcious can do it too.



Umm, no, my whole point was that you wouldnt need god to start it because god now isnt the only possibility. By your saying that something all powerful had to start it, you're saying that something all powerful had to start god.



What do you mean impossible to us?



But the thing is, it cant be possible only for him to do it. That's like saying its only possible for humans to use tools.



But thats flawed. If god can create something out of nothing, that proves that theres a certain process that is used to create something out of nothing. Theres just as good of a chance that an unconcious unintelligent "thing" can also do that same process.



Nope.



Well, like I just said, I dont know any atheist that thinks the big bang came from nothing. In either case, god supposedly wasnt created.



Yes, you're right. Atheists do love saying that---in response to religious folk who say "what started the big bang, and what started that? It had to have been created by something..."



Can you? Start a new thread on it then.

Why do I believe in God? Because we are here, and he fact that life exists at all is all the evidence I need.

Wait, what? Evidence for what? Why do you think God made us and not something else?
That's an another view of the original question.

Well for one thing, I know God is not governed by time, the bible states a few times something about acting before time. So, you can't really say he had to have a beggining. I'm not sure where but I'll find the passages later.

Yes please find these verses for me.

Hmmm, maybe I am wrong, I cannot find it. It might have been the interpratation of a certain passage I've read, but I forgot what it was. I'll continue looking.