id like to start off this topic cos it seems fun!! and also i want to see what ppl think about this. It seems now that science is explaining everything like telekinesis and aliens and different creatures that dont exist, but is it possible that the scietific world is just getting everything wrong, explaining away things we dont understand with different jargon understood only by the people who make them up, so do we really know that paranormal stuff isnt real or are we just ignorant by trying to explain it all.

your views pls

Science, as you probably know, is based around examining the evidence, finding explanations, and then testing them. The above paranatural stuff isn't being 'rationalized away' by scientists; there is just no proof that they actually exist, other than some highly debatable signs and dubious anecdotes.

Exactly.

I also believe Common Sense to be a science. It really should be studied in schools. Seriously, it is suprising how little of it some people have.

I am not talking about anyone who believes in psi, but come on, Common Sense really should be classified as a science considering how it breeds clear thinking.

Could this surge in Woo-woo ideas come from a huge willingness to believe that what we see in science fiction is possible? That because they do it on Star Trek that the current rules of physics limiting velocity to c are wrong?

Do they just want some notoriety for pointing out phantom flaws in scientific theories?

Because the "science" in a pseudo science beiver is highly oversimplified, it appeals to people who can't or won't make a full study of the issue.

Not only do they believe they've gone one up on the experts, they believe they are now experts themselves without having undergone the tedium of traditional education.

For the past year I've been debating pseudo-scientists in other forums, and I've encountered people who actually take pride in being ignorant of standard science.

More than one person has compared himself to Einstein, who (says the pseudoscientist) "threw away the book" and "broke all the rules" or"thinking outside the box."

They have no reply when I point out that Einstein didn't develop relativity out of ignorance of standard science, but rather he knew the physics of his day intimately.

Its not about saying that something is "impossible"...its more to do with jumping the gun in most cases. We are far from understanding metaphysical phenomena. Perhaps when our understanding of physics expands further many of these will be explained.

but will they be explained away or will metaphysics be part of our lives and do you think we will accept it, cos most people dont like the thought that some is able to do things like float objects (example only) and i think this is why these things are being explained away, because ppl dont want these things to exist if they only exist in a few people. i think im being confusing now

Its not they dont want it to happen or they dont believe in it. Like myself however we need to rely on evidence. You cant expect someone to take your word for it. I guy did it with the burning bush once and now its a world wide religion. Lets learn from our mistakes and strive for clarity and understanding. I urge anyone that claims those abilities to go to a research center (probably in a university??) and get themselves tested. If something is going on they will be world news and they would have provided the evidence.

If someone objects to that because they dont want to be labrat or anything as I heard in the past , then I dont see the point on posting on public forums either.

I think most people need to put their faith, understanding and love in a higher power. Stop trying to understand everything and let it ride. I think they would enjoy life more.

Are you suggesting that ignorance is bliss?

Not necessarily that ignorance is bliss, but that people need to concede and have faith in a higher power. It is great to learn, explore and understand. Its not that I think that some questions shouldn't be asked, simply that you shouldn't have to ask them! Or shouldn't feel compelled to understand. I know thats hard, but I think people would live longer, happier, healthier lives if they did.

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It is human nature to question. This is where religion comes from in the first place. When humans decided to question spirituality, began organizing their archetypal images. In this way, it is very similar to science,in that it seeks to organize the unknown. The only difference being the internal and the external.

Wow Moe. I don't think I've ever read a serious post from you.
And Mr. Ed I agree with you we really should use more common sense. People really don't do that when they assume we are the only intelligent life in the universe. When people say we're alone out there they're not using much common sense. Don't you think? Science and most people assume too much, and that's not using the old noggin to it's fullest.

To me, science explains hwo things occur, not necessarily why. If a person is telepathic or has some other special ability, science may state how that occurs, but it doesn't relate to "the other" of why it does, nor what th econtents of such special messages are.

Science = Based off fact.

If we're not sure that something is fact, it can't be added to the world of science.

That is not really acurate. For example it has been scientific fact that the earth was the center of the universe. It was also a "fact" that human beings get sick from an imbalance of the four humours. It was a fact that the atom was the smallest particle.

As for common sense, it is a neutered term. Common sense is highly subjective, and therefore negates itself by definition.

The only problem here is that you can not apply deductive reasoning with all things in nature. For example, your experience would tell you that matter can not exist in two places at once, however quantum physics tells us that sub atomic particles can not only exist in two places at once, but they can also cease to exist in this dimension altogether, only to flash back into existence moments later. My point is that much of modern science is counter-intuitive, and not really subject to such simple epiphanies of Newton's apple. The more we learn, the less we understand.

A good point, but you really cannot refer to them as facts in any respect. They are theories and opinions. Conjectures.
However, if you look at it these days, we crave proof more than they did in that day; i.e. Now, we need proof from so called 'psychics' instead of in the old days, where they burnt them for purely being accused.

If you would ask any scientist what their field or work was, they would just say a best guess game. A lot of my teachers say that. Science is but a best guess game, at which we try to find a logical reasoning for things, but not everything is explained by "practical" science.