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Sure we definitely have mental illnesses in our society but through science, our DNA should be able to be tweaked to fix that too, in the not-so-distant future...
QUOTE(Turtle @ Oct 7 2005, 07:06 AM) [snapback]877712[/snapback]
Not to be offensive here, but the Victim mentality creates the Victim reality.
We all have excuses for our plight, but the only one you need to digest is your own.
Take responsibility for your own life!
If you are implying that I in any way said I have been a victim, you are mistaken!
I can't recall ever being a victim apart from being burgled once. I have, so far, enjoyed a very pleasant and inspiring life. My soul concern was for others in plight!
QUOTE(Rainbow Rowan @ Oct 6 2005, 11:33 PM) [snapback]877734[/snapback]
Sure we definitely have mental illnesses in our society but through science, our DNA should be able to be tweaked to fix that too, in the not-so-distant future...
Hmmm... interesting post. But when do we decide to "tweak" our DNA and not to? If we play around with it, are we not messing around with our very essence? Not only that, but if we start "tweaking" it to get rid of mental illnesses, disease, etc., then would it be okay to mess around with it because my nose is too big or I have too much junk in my trunk and I don't want my children to?
QUOTE(amybutts @ Oct 8 2005, 02:12 PM) [snapback]879044[/snapback]
Hmmm... interesting post. But when do we decide to "tweak" our DNA and not to? If we play around with it, are we not messing around with our very essence? Not only that, but if we start "tweaking" it to get rid of mental illnesses, disease, etc., then would it be okay to mess around with it because my nose is too big or I have too much junk in my trunk and I don't want my children to?
If the technology becomes available it would be no different for those people who now choose to use plastic surgery if they choose to change an aspect of themselves.
QUOTE(Rainbow Rowan @ Oct 9 2005, 11:16 AM) [snapback]880657[/snapback]
If the technology becomes available it would be no different for those people who now choose to use plastic surgery if they choose to change an aspect of themselves.
Actually, what I meant was "tweaking" DNA because parents want "designer babies".
I beleive it could rule out horrifying defects in infants and the ongoing genetic quality of cancer, just to name a few....
I just realized that there are eleven Sephiroth in the Kabbalah, including the hidden one, Daath. Eleven in numerology is symbolic of DNA.
QUOTE(Yelekiah @ Oct 12 2005, 01:20 AM) [snapback]882897[/snapback]
I just realized that there are eleven Sephiroth in the Kabbalah, including the hidden one, Daath. Eleven in numerology is symbolic of DNA.
Yes, and the two intertwining snakes also stands for DNA which is one of the oldest symbol in the world still being used by the medical field.
EDIT: Actually it is the tree of knowledge with two intertwining snakes. lol
Here is the symbolic explanation for the Adder (according to the Celtic Oracle book):
Adder: Renowned for shedding its skin, the adder is evocative of the process of letting go of outdated habits or ways of thinking. It represents metaphysical death and rebirth, and healing through transformation. The adder is also associated with reincarnation, and making connections to past lives.
Just a handy piece of information to add to the stockpile. lol
Adder: Renowned for shedding its skin, the adder is evocative of the process of letting go of outdated habits or ways of thinking. It represents metaphysical death and rebirth, and healing through transformation. The adder is also associated with reincarnation, and making connections to past lives.
Just a handy piece of information to add to the stockpile. lol
That is quite handy. And the snake totem is symbolic of wisdom, healing, intuition, etc.
Does anyone view the serpent from the Garden as the devil? If so, why or why not?
Does anyone view the serpent from the Garden as the devil? If so, why or why not?
don't know if anyone's said it yet (because i didn't feel like scrolling through 11 pages), but the "tree of knowledge" in the Bible was actually the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. Quite a bit of a difference there.
That was established.
I interpret the story in the following way:
God had made creations that would be robotic, and had no similar nature to him. Who had no knowledge and understanding as God, only to an extent. The totalitarian God had told them not to eat of the Tree of Knowledge in fear they would be in his likeness. He made the Tree of Knowledge with the want to test if his creation had the ability to rebel out of his set limitations. God, being arrogant, put the Tree of Knowledge there. He knew it was a great risk, but having faith on his powers of knowledge, he left it their, thinking no thing wold ever reach it's likeness. Unfortunately, Eve rebelled first, and then Adam, and so because of this, God had been put in shame that he was mistaken, and so thus he punished Adam and Ever severely enraged by making any of what may come out of them to be cursed with liability to wage war, to do violence, and to do all that he, this totalitarian God, disliked. But after a while, then man forever was independent of himself, and took care of everything he does, did, and will do responsibly and went against God's tyranny, while others, praised, and followed what he, God, had said, out of fear of getting spited by his hand if they perform and/or established their individual freedom.
Symbols:
The Tree of Knowledge:
The "tree of knowledge" represents man intellectuality, which allows him to judge and form personal distinctions to what is moral and what is not, as well as form knowledge, not only on morality, but other things. The apple's juice gave all intellectual power. This would allow man to rebel against God as they don't have to rely on him as an authority to disperse their ignorance, as they could form their on opinions, which hold the possibility of being contradictory to God's knowledge. Some, although offered the same, what God considers, "curse" or "sin" still wish to follow and depend on God's power, authority and ability. Some accept this "sin" and uses it to its full.
The Snake:
The snake is the symbol of trust, faith, hope, rebellion, destruction, discordance and indulgence. He helped man take the apple as he wished for them to have his wit, which was of similar substance as the tree/apple.
Remember this every time you drink apple juice.
God had made creations that would be robotic, and had no similar nature to him. Who had no knowledge and understanding as God, only to an extent. The totalitarian God had told them not to eat of the Tree of Knowledge in fear they would be in his likeness. He made the Tree of Knowledge with the want to test if his creation had the ability to rebel out of his set limitations. God, being arrogant, put the Tree of Knowledge there. He knew it was a great risk, but having faith on his powers of knowledge, he left it their, thinking no thing wold ever reach it's likeness. Unfortunately, Eve rebelled first, and then Adam, and so because of this, God had been put in shame that he was mistaken, and so thus he punished Adam and Ever severely enraged by making any of what may come out of them to be cursed with liability to wage war, to do violence, and to do all that he, this totalitarian God, disliked. But after a while, then man forever was independent of himself, and took care of everything he does, did, and will do responsibly and went against God's tyranny, while others, praised, and followed what he, God, had said, out of fear of getting spited by his hand if they perform and/or established their individual freedom.
Symbols:
The Tree of Knowledge:
The "tree of knowledge" represents man intellectuality, which allows him to judge and form personal distinctions to what is moral and what is not, as well as form knowledge, not only on morality, but other things. The apple's juice gave all intellectual power. This would allow man to rebel against God as they don't have to rely on him as an authority to disperse their ignorance, as they could form their on opinions, which hold the possibility of being contradictory to God's knowledge. Some, although offered the same, what God considers, "curse" or "sin" still wish to follow and depend on God's power, authority and ability. Some accept this "sin" and uses it to its full.
The Snake:
The snake is the symbol of trust, faith, hope, rebellion, destruction, discordance and indulgence. He helped man take the apple as he wished for them to have his wit, which was of similar substance as the tree/apple.
Remember this every time you drink apple juice.
QUOTE (stackofbooks @ Feb 10 2008, 01:24 PM) 
Remember this every time you drink apple juice.
Except that the fruit of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil was not an apple - or at the least, we don't know what fruit it was. It's just pop-culture belief that has turned it into an apple. Just like it's only pop-culture belief that has shortened the name of the Tree to just "The Tree of Knowledge", as opposed to "The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil", which is its full name, and describes a very specific type of knowledge. When Adam and Eve at of the Tree that God told them not to, they did indeed receive the knowledge of good (following God) and evil (disobedience of God). Before eating of the tree, they only had knowledge of the former.While your interpretation certainly is interesting, and you are of course free to hold that opinion, I don't think the text itself will back up much of what you said in your post.
Just a few thoughts to consider.
~ Regards, PA
edit: I just realised this thread is over 2 years old. And here I thought Yelekiah had returned to us after all this time
QUOTE (Paranoid Android @ Sep 27 2005, 08:46 AM)
The Tree was not just the Tree of Knowledge, but rather the knowledge of Good and Evil. God said "Do not eat the fruit", and man (and woman) disobeyed. When they did that, they became like God, knowing good and evil.
So eating from the tree was wrong because God said it was wrong. God as our King (whether we acknowledge Him as such or not) makes rules for us to follow, which we can choose to follow or ignore. In Adam and Eve's case, that Rule was "don't eat from the Tree". They disobeyed God - disobeyed their King, and suffered the consequences.
That's how I see it at least.
Regards, PA
So eating from the tree was wrong because God said it was wrong. God as our King (whether we acknowledge Him as such or not) makes rules for us to follow, which we can choose to follow or ignore. In Adam and Eve's case, that Rule was "don't eat from the Tree". They disobeyed God - disobeyed their King, and suffered the consequences.
That's how I see it at least.
Regards, PA
Yes it was wrong to eat of the tree. But something else has been thrown in there! Before Eve ate the fruit of the tree she said to the serpent . . . ?
'Oh no no, God didn't say not to eat of every tree, He said 'Of the tree in the midst of the garden you shall not eat . . . {and neither shall you touch it} . . .' ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
Take it as you will.
QUOTE (Yelekiah @ Sep 26 2005, 10:26 PM)
"Knowledge is power", or so they say. But can it be classified?
Eating from the Tree of Knowledge was forbidden.
According to Genesis, eating of the fruit of the tree, in a sense, led to the Fall of Man, because man became knowledgeable of their sin.
The Book of Enoch 31:4, purporting to be written by the antediluvian prophet Enoch, describes the tree of knowledge as follows:
"It was like a species of the tamarind tree, bearing fruit which resembled grapes extremely fine; and its fragrance extended to a considerable distance. I exclaimed, How beautiful is this tree, and how delightful is its appearance!"
And here is the famous excerpt from Genesis:
1 Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, "Did God really say, 'You must not eat from any tree in the garden'?"
2 The woman said to the serpent, "We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say, 'You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.' "
4 "You will not surely die," the serpent said to the woman. 5 "For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."
6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. 7
But despite its purported beauty, was it wrong to eat of this tree? Is it wrong to be knowledgeable of sin? And what is your take on knowledge: good, bad, both?
Eating from the Tree of Knowledge was forbidden.
According to Genesis, eating of the fruit of the tree, in a sense, led to the Fall of Man, because man became knowledgeable of their sin.
The Book of Enoch 31:4, purporting to be written by the antediluvian prophet Enoch, describes the tree of knowledge as follows:
"It was like a species of the tamarind tree, bearing fruit which resembled grapes extremely fine; and its fragrance extended to a considerable distance. I exclaimed, How beautiful is this tree, and how delightful is its appearance!"
And here is the famous excerpt from Genesis:
1 Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, "Did God really say, 'You must not eat from any tree in the garden'?"
2 The woman said to the serpent, "We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say, 'You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.' "
4 "You will not surely die," the serpent said to the woman. 5 "For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."
6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. 7
But despite its purported beauty, was it wrong to eat of this tree? Is it wrong to be knowledgeable of sin? And what is your take on knowledge: good, bad, both?
I would say yes. The reason why is because its stepping outside of one's natural means and taking part in something external from the natural. In other words, Adam and Eve side stepped God and sought to be their own gods. In doing so, they rejected all that was natural and perfect in God. Life is something that comes from God. Being that they rejected what God would provide, they also rejected life. This led to death. Also, the natural righteousness that existed and came from God was also rejected, leading to sin and the recognition thereof. It wasn't eating the apple and receiving knowledge that was the really bad part, it was what was in their hearts when they did it that was the really bad part; greed.
A criminal doesn't get the electric chair because he happened to kill someone, he gets the electric chair because of the reason he killed someone. Also, a person doesn't commit fornication because they had sex, they commit fornication because of the reason that they had sex. Whats in one's heart is that which condemns a person, not the action itself.
Evolutionists and scientists may be able to find cures to every human physical and mental sickness, but they can never cure the most important and deadly sickness of all: The sickness of the heart. Greed can not be cured by social reform, chemicals, laws, or poverty. It can only be cured by denying one's self and giving the desires of your heart up to the righteous and loving God.
QUOTE (Yelekiah @ Sep 26 2005, 11:26 PM)
"Knowledge is power", or so they say. But can it be classified?
Eating from the Tree of Knowledge was forbidden.
According to Genesis, eating of the fruit of the tree, in a sense, led to the Fall of Man, because man became knowledgeable of their sin.
The Book of Enoch 31:4, purporting to be written by the antediluvian prophet Enoch, describes the tree of knowledge as follows:
"It was like a species of the tamarind tree, bearing fruit which resembled grapes extremely fine; and its fragrance extended to a considerable distance. I exclaimed, How beautiful is this tree, and how delightful is its appearance!"
And here is the famous excerpt from Genesis:
1 Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, "Did God really say, 'You must not eat from any tree in the garden'?"
2 The woman said to the serpent, "We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say, 'You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.' "
4 "You will not surely die," the serpent said to the woman. 5 "For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."
6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. 7
But despite its purported beauty, was it wrong to eat of this tree? Is it wrong to be knowledgeable of sin? And what is your take on knowledge: good, bad, both?
Eating from the Tree of Knowledge was forbidden.
According to Genesis, eating of the fruit of the tree, in a sense, led to the Fall of Man, because man became knowledgeable of their sin.
The Book of Enoch 31:4, purporting to be written by the antediluvian prophet Enoch, describes the tree of knowledge as follows:
"It was like a species of the tamarind tree, bearing fruit which resembled grapes extremely fine; and its fragrance extended to a considerable distance. I exclaimed, How beautiful is this tree, and how delightful is its appearance!"
And here is the famous excerpt from Genesis:
1 Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, "Did God really say, 'You must not eat from any tree in the garden'?"
2 The woman said to the serpent, "We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say, 'You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.' "
4 "You will not surely die," the serpent said to the woman. 5 "For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."
6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. 7
But despite its purported beauty, was it wrong to eat of this tree? Is it wrong to be knowledgeable of sin? And what is your take on knowledge: good, bad, both?
Since this is a philosophical question that has a great deal paradoxes in it, the answer is not going to be easy to arrive at. I however do like your siggy as it portrays the head of the macrocosm from kabbalah denudata by athanasius kircher.
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