I was mostly talking of the crap coming from the "skeptics". I've noticed a few people here who just seem a bit confused and are over estimating themselves but I think there may be a few people here who do have some ability, they just get drowned out other the others that don't or try to debunk them.

"Crap" is what comes out of believers actually. However the biggest woe is the inability to start from base rather than already be sure they possess such abilities or that phenomenon exists altogether.

Since we are not the ones claiming to begin with, please refrain from just ranting about sceptics. You know full well that silly statements will pretty much get silly answers. Cause and affect if you like...

I'll rant about who I please.

I don't just rant about "skeptics". If anyone says anything that I don't agree with then I state my opinion.

ive tried for years to move things and never had any luck.good luck to you tho,

what types of wheels have you used?

Alter hand position? what are you doing waving at it? Come on your 28 and feeding the innocent BS. Sorry, but this if infact you could do, would at least land you a spot on some sort of tabloid show somewhere. Or maybe you are in the right thread after all

Sometime, like a few pages ago in this thread, you state a lot more than your opinion >_>

tabloid show? mate its not special. my mum had a go and can do it. i use it as a party trick and usaly gets everyone cheering. (and trying it for themselfs. which i might add, about 70% who iv seen give it a good atempt can do it) i dont think its TK, i think the psi wheel shape acts like a windmill to the body heat that excretes from your palms. also fits with a rational explanation to why i have to change my hand position to make it spin the other way. however it works, its fun to play with, and impress ur mates with. (until they can do it too )

"Clever" retort. If you approve that by doing it yourself, it also means the rest of us can do it too, which pretty much makes your original point.... invalid.

well... threads dead i guess beeen like 28 days or so since the last post..

I don't understand why all these people are so skeptical. has anyone of you heard of the Silva Method. more over have you considered that your mind uses bio electricity to move the rest of your body, keeping with enthalpy laws energy is neither created or destroyed it is channelled differntly(converted into another form). What's to stop the bio electricity from the hands from converting into basic vibrational energies affecting subatomic particles? Metal is a conductor or electricity and maybe shows better results intially. In regards to folding the balancing sheet of material , I would like to see any skeptic balance a sheet of unfolded paper on a pin without piercing it.

*sigh*I love these wars between believers n skeptics.

i moved a pencil once...without touching it!


granted i did blow at it, but technically i didnt touch.

if TK was possible, someone would have claimed that prize for showing it exists. million dollars? but apparently anyone that has these so called powers, have standards that are so high, that it is morrally wrong to claim the prize. why? "because its a gift and i shouldnt use it to make money"

hokum...pure hokum... every invention is the result of a "gift" a gift for abstract thought to solve a problem. people run marathons for less than a million. so why does noone claim? it doesnt exist. little teenagers who think they have special powers. get into the real world. not everything you see on Charmed is real.

They can and do. I don't see how it makes my original point invalid. I acutally forgot what this was about.

Shut the hell up! Not all psi believers watch Charmed.








They also watch Dragon Ball Z.

And Marvel movies....

Ha! I came here to rant about how close minded believers have become...

It seems I should just sit back and laugh, they've gotten worse than they ever were.

so far i have to be on the sceptic side couse i have no TK PK experiance so i ca not say it true.
ad i do not think al sceptics are bad i think some sceptics just like to "attack"(sorry lacking a better word) people and see thre reaction

but some psychics extualy want to prove things and investigate and not just say it is not possible, they have to try for themselves before they can say it is not true.
Thas what i think. just so you know

I agree, they are quite closed minded, aren't they? Towards science, I mean.

Let this thread die please....( I know this post doesnt help that though)

Science can be closed mined also. Well, is close minded. What if there's something that science can't explain? And what if everyone only follows science also? Then we'd never discover it and no one would stufy and become good at it. Science is NOT the end all be all of figuring things out.


You may think believers look stupid, but do you imagine how stupid you'd look if there is someone on these forums who really can do these things and they've proved it to them selves over and over again and you're sitting here ranting off about how none of this exists . I think thats more funny than being on the skeptics side looking at the believers.

Imagine how stupid people would look if all psi is in your head. In fact that would be even more embarrassing with all the claims here

It is all in your head =). Your mind moves the psi wheel. Actualy, I don't agree or disagree with it. I can't stand the way science acts, and how blind it is to anything it can't put in a lab, and I see how lame it is to claim you can use psi and but don't post any videos or anything. Especially for a million dollars. I can't side with believers because I don't have the proof to believe and I'm definitley not siding with skeptical scientists. I agree with scientists somewhat, but I feel they are too closed to things.

They are not closed. They just seen too many ridiculous claims that make no sense and deny scrutiny. You can not just expect people to take your word for it. Just think back to the midle ages. Would any of those slaughters happen if people didnt accept witchcraft as real? Would they think the same if they knew it was a fungus driving people crazy?

Maybe science appears close minded but its with good reason, I assure you. ESP has been looked by scientists and its still studied today. Lets not jump into conclusion though and go into it before we can reproduce its results.

Actualy all you skeptics are skipping to conclusions. Instead of saying "we don't know" you do just like any other closed minded scientist and say "it deosn't exist". I trust humanity more than most skeptics I guess. I don't believe every single on of the believers claiming to move things are liars and/or delusional. I believe it's possible, but won't say it's true, because I can't proove that. But I won't say it doens't exist or it's impossible because I can't see hear of feel it.

No... what science says is ESP cannot be proved or reproduced at this time not that it doesn't exist...there is a difference.

Hah, I've heard many scientists say things like "it doesn't exist". Hell, just 2 nights ago on "Is it real?" a scientists said "The human aura can't be found because.. it does not exist".

And people talk about society making things hard on gay people. Hell, I almost don't want to be a believer so no one thinks I'm stupid and trys to put me lower than them.

I cannot account for all the scientists out there. The consensus though is that what is described to them currently ,cannot happen as it is stated.

agreed. its like saying a deffinate "large ocean monsters do not exsist" going on the fact that they havent been descovered yet. the fact is, weather you hardcore skeptics like it or not, EP and TK and all that jazz cant be classed as impossible just because science hasnt prooved it yet. the strongest skeptical point you can state that is correct is "i dont know if its real". so why you guys talk amongst yourselfs about how much you dont actualy know, let the belivers talk about their own experiences and talents.

Might I state that the reason of this thread was to ask for help, not debate wheter or not it exists. Humans discover things every day. And most of us who CAN use TK and whatnot don't often tell the world. Why? Look at the thread! Despite the abundance of evidence, people will flatly refuse to believe what they con't understand. As for the video evidence, there's lots! And for every person I like showing my own TK to, there are about forty morons who will watch me time and time again and still refuse to believe! Why, I once had the person make it himself, put it under one of his own glass bowls(for lack of a better cover) and they still shoot it down! I don't tell the media for the same reason. No one on this thread is delebrately trying to shove our beleifs down your throats, except for a few of you overly rude skeptics. Be polite at least! You keep your beleifs and let us keep ours!

I have nothing against skeptics in general. It's good to have some thinking minds around here. But please, please, don't flame about it!

Sorry, but I had to say it. It gets old after a time, and when all is said and done, we're all going to believe what we want to, skeptics and believers alike. That's just the way humans are. And remember that we're all people, and none of us appriciate cold denial.

So are you saying that believers don't have thinking minds? Sounds like you are a skeptic to me.lol As much as you are tired of skeptics it works the same way with us being tired of believers.

Oh, I'm no skeptic. I firmly believe in such things, being able to use TK myself. And I know it gets annoying after a while for both sides. I'm just asking that everyone please have a little tolerance for the other side of the arguement.

And of course I'm not saying that believers can't think! I hope, at least, that all of us have common sense and intelligence.

What about Knowers? People who've done it and know it works.

Oh, you mean the "Whoops-I-can't-provide-proof-ers"?

None of you can perform telekinesis. Not because you are afraid to tell. Its because its going to be GAME OVER if you are asked to prove it and you are unable to do so. Believing and fantasizing are different things...

There was a video on an earlier page, was there not? Stop trying to prove wheter or not something is true, and quit bashing each other-beleifs, facts and thoughts aren't going to change no matter how much everyone argues. Just because something can't be explained by any other means doesn't mean its not true. And just because someone can do something strange doesn't mean they're not fakeing. But sometimes things you don't want to believe happen andway, and you just have to grit your teeth and get past it. And sometimes us believers/telekinetics/whatever have to accept that some people aren't going to believe us, or that some things aren't always right. But that's OUR decision, and if you don't trust us, that's yours. Forceing it on others doesn't work. Has anyone ever been in an arguement about beleifs with someone who was very firm in them and managed to sway the person? Not completely, I don't think.

Bottom Line: This is pointless. No one cares if you don't like something or if you do. People have an irritating stubbornness, and in this case, its very mutual.



And people didn't believe in a platypus or okapi for ages, either.

Amen.

Nope, they didn't. Thing is, not believing something doesn't automatically make it real.

If, for instance, Person A looks in their telescope and sees a comet, they could run to Person B and say 'Hey! I saw a giant flying space pig!'. Person B would, naturally, not believe them and give a great amount of evidence that it was in fact just a comet. But!, cries Person A, You don't know that it wasn't a giant flying space pig! I saw it and you didn't, therefore your theories are invalid! Person B replies that he is in fact knowledgable about comets and has researched the matter extensively; It is not a giant flying space pig! he exclaims stubbornly. Person A, exasperated, says 'Nobody believed in gorillas either! Look how wrong they were!'. Person B pulls out a 12-gauge and blows off Person A's head.

I hope you get what I'm saying. In the end, in the scientific world, you need something better than 'anything is possible, psi might be real'.

Besides, in the days in which the platypus and okapi were not thought to be real, there was no way to research these things; Now with the advent of the Internet and television, we have many resources at our fingertips to research from. This is also not to mention that explorers and early biologists were not known for their honesty about their voyages; Of course nobody believed them. Bottom line, the platypus and okapi scenario has no place in any serious discussion since it is of no relevance to today's society.

Telekenesis is real people, I know it is. I'm not an expert at it yet I've only been practicing for a little while, but I can move my psi wheel. All of you who say you want proof post your e-mail addresses and once I record myself performing TK I will send you an e-mail with a video file attached to it. It will be in quick-time I think, so if you don't have quick-time that's not my problem. But anyway, you want proof, I'll attempt to give you some. We are all seperate but one and have this God given ability, we have the holy spirit within us people and that's what allows this to be possible. If you think otherwise that's your loss, but regardless I'll give you the evidence you complain about not having.

Instead of another psi wheel vid, make the paper float, spin, and unfold.

i_am_not_here_im@hotmail.com

I made a few videos, a few very good ones. But most of them were too large (MB) to be uploaded onto aol. Then when I did make one that could be uploaded to aol it said there was a failure when it was sent because your hotmail account couldn't recieve files that big.

Upload it to putfile.com or Google video. Try sending me the video by e-mail anyways, though. logistica@gmail.com

*sighs* You're going to keep demanding more and more evidence. First you wanted a video. Then you wanted one that you could dissect and figure out that it was not faked. Now you want me to do all that crap. I can't make things float. I havn't found out how to do that yet. Most of us haven't. TK is trial-and-error, and demanding excessive evedence is both disrespectful and irritating. As I said before, you don't HAVE to believe us. I don't HAVE to believe you either. People have a deep-seated beleif that it doesn't exist. I'm fine with that. But the point is, if you refuse to believe that it is POSSIBLE, then you're NEVER going to be satisfied with ANY evidence we feel courtious enough to give you. You'll keep coming up with excuses as to why it can't happen. That's natural, and I don't mind it. But demanding like that is immature, and personally, I don't think its worth my time. TK is a newfound ability for humans. Did cavemen get up and make guns just beacause their friends demanded it? No. It wasn't within their ability. We're not super-psychics, and I'm not saying I can lift up a car or whatever. I'm saying I can make the dang thing spin. TK is very overestimated. There's nowhere near as much force behind it as someone might physically, and its really pretty useless. Just entertaining.

Oh, yeah, I want you to send me a video of you balencing a motorcycle on your head. It's been done, so it's not impossible, right? I won't believe you're real until you do.

Then I want you to balence it on your teeth. Then with someone sitting on it. Etc. Etc. Etc.

That's what its like on my end of the stick.

i really need to stop posting here, too many idiots.

Putfile is good to upload large videos to for free, and then everyone could see it.


I think I've stated it before but I also cannot move the paper psi wheel, and while I believe in telekinesis, I have to honestly say I don't believe ANYONE that posts on these forums (or others) possesses the active ability to utiliize and wield it consciously. This is only my opinion, but I've been studying this type of thing longer than some of you have been alive, so I have a little bit of foundation on which to base my skepticism

I sent a short 39 sec video to angrycrustacean and replacement100. I don't know if they've viewed it or not yet but I sent it to them. The video shows me spinning the psi wheel just like I said I could. I tried to register at putfile but for some reason they haven't sent me the verification e-mail I was supposed to get, even after I asked for one a second time. I registered at google but you have to download their uploader thing to upload your files and i'm not about to spend all that time down loading it.

I made a few more vids that are small enough to be sent by e-mail if Replacement and angry post a reply saying that they could watch what I sent them I could send those other vids to anybody else who wants to see them. TK is real I can do it. I'm a beginer though and I haven't done anything but move my psi wheel so far, but i'm getting better. Yesterday I made another psi wheel and I was moving both of them at the same time. I don't agree with what Striker had to say about it being useless though, I think if you get good enough at it you can do just about anything with it. The whole reason TK works in my opinion is because all things are possible through God. Striker said something about TK not using more force than physical force but that's utter bull crap. The other night I stood about 7 to 10 feet away from my psi wheel and made it move, I couldn't move my hand through the air or blow hard enough to move it that far away, but I could move it by TK. Once I can do more than move my psi wheel around I'll let everyone know....

But anyway, I first got on this forum topic because I myself had started working with a psi wheel and wanted to see what people were saying about it. I don't know if the person who started this forum still needs help moving his psi wheel or not but if he does he should go to that psi pong web site and search for the "just do it" method that's what i'm doing, and now it just works. Also if anyone wants to get better try making videos to prove to people you can do it, since I did that I've gotten a whole lot better in just the past two days.

Howcome you are not worldwide news yet...???

Let me answer that....because you are high...

Let me rephrase, then, Essence.

TK doesn't seem to be affected by distence at all, like TP. I havn't tried any long-distence things, though. If TK can be strong, I haven't managed it yet. I'm speaking based on experence.
And I'm Skriker, not Striker. No 'T' needed.

And Bio-Mage...I'm going to say the world doesn't know, oh, because of morons like you who refuse to say its even POSSIBLE, in the future, now, the past, or if it isn't real. Just POSSIBLE. It doesn't take much to bend your pride a bit and say that it COULD happen. I used to be a skeptic about such things. I tried it, got results, and am willing to say that it works, and I was wrong before. You could say, with some extreme lending of facts, that it COULD happen and stop being an idiot. We are NOT high, we are NOT stupid. Sure, some people who believe in such things don't have their marbles, but that's not true of everyone. All your flaming is doing is making you look like a closed-minded fool.

I watched it, and frankly it is reasonably convincing, not that I now believe in TK. The wheel does in fact spin, and I was impressed at the overall genuine air of the video. My only complaint is that before your hands were put behind the wheel and it began spinning, I observed the wheel move just a tiny bit, meaning it is especially prone to to disturbance by wind. Are you able to change the direction in which the wheel spins, for example spinning it clockwise and then counterclockwise? I'd like to see a video of that if you're capable, because it would rule out or lessen the chances that an air disturbance was causing the spin.



Life's a b****, ain't she?

Your choise of words denotes your true mental state. Dont talk about telekinesis when you have not even mastered something simple as writting arguments rather than insults.. I dont see how the discovery of telekinesis will affect my pride but I know for a fact that it affects my common sense seeing a bunch of kids posting the same junk over and over.

Make an effort to read some serious discussions and stop making assumptions of what I believe. Maybe ESP is true in some forms, telekinesis even possible, but the things you describe and your approach on most things is retarded at best. Explain to me how someone can come here and claim to be expert when this kind of thing is in dispute? Explain how people talk about methods when they really have no idea or real credentials to go with it?

I will let you figure that out for yourself if there is a shread of sentience in your very confused head.