Umm, who's flaming?

Look in the mirror, you're the one who's nearly breaking the caps lock key

I was commenting only on your last post, Bio-Mage. And I don't see anyone in here that has claimed to be an expert. The methods I use are the ones that work for me, I have no idea about the rest of the world, and do not pretend to. I am not a child, I only post based on experience, and what I describe is what I have seen. I have not seen you try to disprove this disscussion, only comment about our sanity, and naturaly, I can be defensive about it, mostly while writing my last post. One can't insult me and then expect nothing in return. I don't have any idea how it works. All I know is that it does, and people don't like it. Think what you will. All I have said is that defiance isn't going to make you right, nor is obsessive beleif going to make me right, and it has to be looked at from both points of veiw. I use my veiw in discussions, it doesn't nessicerily mean that I'm telling you to.

I do apologize for the last post, though. That was childish of me to be so defensive. Likewise, being hostile makes it worse. How about a disscussion as people, and not a war? I think the blame in it becoming like this is the fault of both sides, and would be happy to provide any proof I can get, within reason.

No problemo... do you know an Obituaries archive by any chance?
(Looking for someone)

Quite frankly I am not personally refering to you. There are many people in this forum that consider themselves experts and openly offer advise and lessons. Just have a look around on older topics and marvel the idiocy in all its glory.



You believe in what you think you saw. There is a distinct difference. Senses can be fooled and most of all, our minds can influence our judgement. Always verify even the things you consider obvious to you, because you may just be surprised...

I am not telling you not to believe in ESP. I only urge people to consider perhaps mandane explanations before turning super heroes.



You need not apologise about anything. I take no offence in such words because I know they are a product of frustration. After all I haven't exactly been nice to you either (like you already pointed out) so I guess we are even.

If you would like my opinion on this subject and others, then look on older threads to see what most of us think in general.

Skriker sorry about spelling your user name wrong I wasn't really paying attention and by just glancing at your name I thought it said striker, sorrry.

Angry, during the times it was moving before and after I took my hands away I was trying to move it without my hands near it. The first few videos I was making were way too long because the camera was just recording the psi wheel doing nothing for a while before I got it moving so during the later videos I started making I made sure I already had the psi wheel moving around before I started recording.

I got my putfile.com account working and I have 1 vid on it right now. It doesn't show it spinning as much but it shows it moving when my hands aren't near it and shows it moving a little bit while you can see me standing a few feet away from the counter it's on.

I still can't put a few of my really good vids on putfile though because some of them are 120+ MB and putfile only supports up to 25 MB; but I will be adding a bunch more some shorter then the one on there now and some longer. I'll try to make some more convincing video's for those like Angry who are worried about the wind making the psi wheel spin.

Here's the url to my putfile homepage, when I add more vids I'll post saying so for all those interested:
http://www.putfile.com/essenceofexcellence

the vid on there is 15 MB so it'll probably take a while to load or save it or whatever for all those on dial up like me.

nice vid, but to keep the skeptics happy i think ull need to put a glass or something over it. nice one though none the less

Interesting post.

First time posting on any internet forum, I have found an article that exemplifies critical thinking. This is a very thorough rational explanation for the movement of a psi wheel.

Here is the link:

http://www.thekeyboard.org.uk/Uncovered%20psi%20wheel.html

Do not know if this as been posted before...
any comments?

THAT is one of THE single GREATEST and most PRACTICAL and RATIONAL experiments I have EVER seen in paranormal research! Thank you SO much for posting that!!! That experiment ought to be stickied at the top of every paranormal forum!

No one can move paper with their minds silly. Just pick it up and place it in another location with ur' hands, Mr. Lazy. If you want something bigger somewhere else, you shouldn't have been that stupid to put it there in the first place.

OMG! Yes!!!!

That explains so many things that I was trying to say, like how they needed to have their hands there, and why most psychics run their hands together before moving the wheel!

Also, people who concentrate on their hands, will make their hands warmer (blood flow control), so the psi wheel will spin faster!

Yay! I'm bookmarking that, so we can stop all these Psi Wheel people

awesome. lol replacement, look a few pages back and ull find i had a strikingly similar explanation to how i can do it but nooo noone takes notice of a guy on a forum. ehehe. firstly, yeah, it is heat driven (not saying TK people cant do it aswell) but thats the only way iv been able to do it is with heat, and yea, blood flow control! thanks man, that was the only part i couldnt figure out. i knew concentrating on making hands warmer works, but didnt know why.

sh**..... did i just agree with a skeptic?

Oh, whoops, didn't see that.

Your mum is a liar

have you tried cooling your hands before doing it? would be a very easy test to see if it's tempurature at least, and should be simple. maybe it's been suggested, but I'm guessing flaming has remained the prevalent form of discourse on this thread.

http://www.thekeyboard.org.uk/Uncovered%20psi%20wheel.html

That proves that it is actually heat from your hands.

wow, im suprised to find so many familiar faces here... havent been on in a long time...

ive seen that link in other places, and i agree, its the most conclusive and donvincing argument I have ever seen on the subject, theres somebody who is a real scientist!! i agree that most probably most people out there claiming to do TK on such a small thing as a psi-wheel are just using their hands, but that doesnt mean there arent people that do do it...

what id like to see is sobebody move soemthing a little less sensative, like a seight hanging rom a string(on a fixed base so that people dont wiggle their hands(sigh, my friends ignorance...)) like a kea on a string attacked to the ceiling or something... that would be hard to move with your body heat

good to be back(at least for the next few hours)

Amen...

I disagree. I feel open-mindedness is just as valid and desirable an attitude for "believers" to have, toward rational explanations and reason, as skeptics being able to consider the possibility of the paranormal.

I'm open to the possibilities that paranormal phenomenon exists - I'm also open to the possibility that some can be identified as natural.

I love how whenever skeptics disagree with these things, they are apparently not open-minded. The reason many of us immediately veto what the so called 'psychics' say is because there's one or two new people every day who claim to have these magical powers, and so far there has been no reasonable proof at all.

im glad we do have skeptics, y'know. im not saying people cant do these things, BUT skeptics keep everyone down to earth, and help alot when it comes to understanding the rational explination behind things, without them, the world would be a very f'd up place... hell, itd prolly be the 70's all over again. plus, if there were no skeptics, thered be noone to argue and proove ourselfs to. boring huh.

I would really want to know how this dude made it...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5NwRfMJgOQ

It's a trick he explains in another vid - basically the table is hollow and has pinholes on top. A helper hooks a tube up to a hidden hole on one of the legs and blows through it.

100% admitted fake.

Could you put up the "another vid"? I would love to see.

Practice 30 mins at a time two to three times a day.

11 pm - 1 am

5 am - 6 pm

2 pm - 3 pm

I don't remember where the explanation was, it was an anecdote in some other related youtube vid. All I know is he explained it, and it's very, very fake. I'm not making it up or guessing, if that's what you think.

Notice how you never see the bottom of the legs when he's actually spinning it? There's a reason for that.

Hey Moonie. Who said you were making it up. Surely not me. I'm interested in magic thats all. And I wanted to see the details. But since you said that there are no pictures, I don't think i'll be seeing it much.

I'm not that much into telekinesis.

It was a pretty simple trick, really - if you have a table with a hollow leg connected to a hollow top with a couple pinholes on it, and a friend with some tubing.

Okay, i'm not a skeptic by any means. But you're making all the people out here, that actually "do" believe it's "possible", sound stupid. I'm not saying that TK, or PK is possible, i'm just saying that it's neither proved, or disproved. Just like the guy who lived 65 years without food or water (which is still alive today), it's unexplainable so far. There are people out there with documented videos and such, that have been able to do different things to influence an object to move. But, who's saying that that's proof? Under scientific measures only, will i believe completely, that it's true.

But, like i was saying. You're making us all dumber by posting things like this. And as for your friends that can do this kind of stuff also. One of you, has got to have a camera. You can't use that as an excuse. And if you don't, GO BUY ONE! You might be the next Criss Angel if you can really do what you claim.

What does it mean to "go buy one" it is not wise to encourage others to waste money just so you can see what she does. Why spend money on a thing that you will only use once?

Or , there was a breeze when you did it. ............

Visit a therapist

I do not think there is any need for that.

Funny,... I also find this to be the case - speaking objectively - there seems to be more skeptics here than
'would be open minded Souls' or the other end of the scale - 'believers'...

I pick up this thread to be about defying gravity or telekinesis - has anyone done the schoolkids trick of levitation with a chair and 2 finders each... I did it 30 yrs ago and it worked at the time - I have never found a working physical explanation for that...

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