good idea, thanks... now wheres that camera

does anybody kno how to put the videos on here?

I happened to stumble into your guys' discussion. I found it interesting. So interesting in fact that I created a user. Anyway, here is a video I found. No, it's not me and I apologize if this has been seen before, but it looks pretty real to me.

http://www.geocities.com/psiwheel/wheel.wmv

PS. I was able to spin a paper wheel similar to the video but without the glass. I'm still undecided whether there is an explainable reason for the spinning or not. I'm going to ask my brother about it next chance I get (He's a physicist.) and I'll get back to you with the reply.

Geo. Cities.

The only thing Geocities can own is its bandwidth....

I'm sorry, but I would only take videos from reliable sources. Like the news, etc.

I will have a look though.


EDIT: Wow. The funny thing is, I saw the base of the needle spinning.

Wait a minute, so there really are people with psychic powers? I like these forums because they are real people, and this is my first time being in this one. So you guys can really use telekenesis? That's pretty amazing. So if even common people like the ones in this forum can use it, why is there still doubt about it?

because all the doubt comes from people that cant. full stop. hehe

DANG MAN, youve got amazing eyesight if you can see the base of that moving

i have to admit, thats the best TK viedo ive seen, considering he puts it together and takes it apart in front of the cam as well, plus its not actually on the table

the base of the needle isnt spinning. the only actual movement at the base of the needle is caused by his hands moving slightly, which moves the shaddows of his hands slightly, combined with the video quality, which naturaly gets moving pixils. only thing spinning is the paper. and yea, best one iv seen too.

Actually, one of my eyes is awful.
But you just watch it, and you can see it moving.

Because the capacity to not acknowledge what you don't wish to believe is immense... If you're interested in finding reliable sources of information, there are some notable parapsychologists/parapsychology foundations that do tests in the area. The only one I really know of the top of my head is www.rhine.org, but hopefully they have links. Glad you learned something new. That is a good question though: Mr Ed and Replacement100 (the two most outspoken skeptic/cynics on this board I know) and anyone else who doesn't believe in anything paranormal, what EXACTLY would it take for you to believe in something like PK or what have you. The tests in labs don't seem to do it, this video doesn't do it, is prime time news literally the only way that you'd believe in something? If it is, why is that so?

I'm honoured to be on that list, but Stellar and Bio-Mage should be on that list before me.

Anyway, yes. News coverage will sway me. So will an indeniable video. Serious. That video, I could see the needle spinning (well, I'm very sure I could), and the set-up was suspect. If the guy/girl can spin a bit of paper with ease, s/he should also be able to lift it up, move it, etc.
Also, why does s/he needs his/her hands in the shot, near the psi wheel? If it's a mental thing, s/he shouldn't need her/his hands.
His/her face would also be appreciated, s/he could be blowing through a small hole in the cup.

I apreciate the way s/he got rid of the chance of magnet use, but it's too suspect.
Also, why the hell would someone post a video on the internet, but not be on the news.
Come on.

ok, not to start an arguement or anything, just to say someting. the hands are in the shot because alot of us find it much easer to concentrait on an oject like the paper if u have you hand pointed in its direction. dont know why, just seems easyer to focus. seocndly, i guess there could be a small hole, but to be small enough to not see, wouldnt it have little or no effect considering how far away their head is?

oh, and by the way. lets say IF the needle was spinning.. whats spinning it?

1. Okay, the hand thing, that's fine.

2. nah, he can still blow into it... I can blow a piece of paper across a meter table.

3. Maybe the little stand thing. I wouldn't be suprised.

I would watch it again, but I can't be bothered >_<

EDIT: Okay, watched again. part of the needle goes through the square. It isn't balancing.
Also, maybe someone could explain this, why do psi wheels need to be folded? Because, at the folded state, they are certainly blown better.

I'll include Stellar in there, I've seen Bio-Mage say something that seemed open minded once so the challenge doesn't apply to him. I've also given a more specific tirade to Stellar tonight, so I guess I did cover my bases. What else do you hold these standards to? You probably don't read much about advanced research in the sciences as they neither provide videos, nor do they often air on the news. I do understand that the broad framework for the paranormal is difficult to stomach, but if you research the results of tests etc you'll come closer to understanding how it's possible. By the way, I do believe you were one of the multitude to ignore the test which I posted in response to your "where's the evidence" thread. It's p.7, but it's probably not worth a damn as it isn't given to you by a news person....

Let's assume that the pin is moving for a moment, how could the pin possibly be moving through normal means? It seems like you're implying he has super PK abilities.... Anyways, I don't believe the pin to be moving, and if it is it continues to "move" when the paper doesn't, implying that it's not the cause of the papers movement. I am a photographer with no bad eye, granted that leaves me far from infallible, and I see no indication of the pin moving, nor can I rationalize how this would happen with or without PK.

Thank you for proving my point that you're insatiable. "If the guy/girl can spin a bit of paper with ease, s/he should also be able to lift it up, move it, etc." who said this guy (considering t-shirt and look of hands that's my guess) can do this with ease? They actually shake off their hands implying that they have to get in the zone, or close to it, in order for this to work. Disregarding that, you are the person who decided that this person could do this easily. I don't mean to be so harsh, it's just that I've been a skeptic for 98% of my life and really think that you're not playing by your own rules.

I don't know about that, but for me it would take widespread public acceptance through the show of these imaginary powers on mainstream media circuites, backed by lab testing, or to see it myself using my own amazing powers or one of my friends.
None of these will ever happen.

Yeah, at that post, I hadn't watched the movie for a while, so I forgot the gender.

Now, I look at the bottom of the pin, and I see movement. It might just be me. Also, what moves the pin? I have no clue, but I am confident I see movement there.

And I'll have a look at the test you posted, it's just I didn't read a couple of pages because I'm lazy, and all I saw was Stellar proving people wrong (as he does so incredibly well), I decided it was sorted, so I didn't read it.

And I really don't think you understand what I'm saying.
I'm saying that spinning a piece of paper on a pin, can't be much harder than lifting it. I don't know about these abilities, that's my opinion. I think that if he can spin it, while keeping it so balanced that it doesn't topple off the pin, he should lift it.

Also, have a look at the psi wheel, you don't understand how this could be done outside Psi. Well, look, why doesn't he get an unfolded piece of paper, because folded ones seem to catch air so much easily.

Now, listen to the sinc when he takes the psi wheel apart, it might be my computer lagging, but it's out of sync.
This implies that there has beem editing of sound. Why would he want this. I didn't think Psi made noise...
Okay, the movie is in sync at the start, but out at the end. There has been some sound cut from it.

If you look at the very bottom of the pin, you can see the reflection change.

Okay, I am just trying to support why I don't believe this video.
I'm not being a skeptic for the sake of it.

As an outside observer on all of this, and not to poke fun at any who might feel "unedumacated" by my saying this........

Why is it that the "believers" in this thread don't seem to have the slightest grasp on grammatical content and structure, but the "skeptics" do?

Haha, don’t generalize all of us. I can honestly say, from a skeptic background (yes I used to be one of you ) that I CAN actually make the paper spin. I don’t know if there is any logical physics behind it. One guy’s studies showed that the folds in the paper seem to react to the heat from your hands, and cause it to spin, but honestly, who really knows. I think everyone should stop arguing. Lol after 5 pages of thread, have we gotten anywhere?

- Henry

Interesting point.
I would have said because people who tend to be believers are younger, but I am 17 and Replacement is 14 (I think? Sorry if wrong).

hmm interesting point maybe that is why they are psychic there brain leaves gramatics and gets the ability to move object with the mind.

no just kidding

i don't see what it has to do with being psycic or not. maybe sceptics think better about there replie???

I am not a 'skeptic' as I don't normally use evidence to back my claims, just common sense, but anyway I don't really think long and hard about what my post will contain, as you can see.

no me neither i just type whats on my mind
and i am like sceptic who is willing to learn allot and hopes it can be true

something like that

“EDIT: Wow. The funny thing is, I saw the base of the needle spinning.”

No who’s imagining things?

“If the guy/girl can spin a bit of paper with ease, s/he should also be able to lift it up, move it,”

Well at least you have ONE good point. I’m actually starting to think that psi wheels are moved at least part of the time by electromagnetic energy that comes from our hands, though according to some scientists it would be impossible so I’m not sure.

Maybe it’s the way that psi naturally flows from the hands that makes it easier to spin. It would probably also require least energy ot move it in that direction as it’s already balanced.

“Also, why does s/he needs his/her hands in the shot, near the psi wheel? If it's a mental thing, s/he shouldn't need her/his hands.”
Placebo maybe? Don’t people also say that psi runs through the whole body? Does any run through your brain?

“His/her face would also be appreciated, s/he could be blowing through a small hole in the cup.”
That wouldn’t be enough. If people are good enough at this to do it for cameras and people then I doubt a short video would be able to prove that he isn’t breathing on the psi wheel.

“Also, why the hell would someone post a video on the internet, but not be on the news.
Come on.”
And be totally humiliated by responses like this? Come on.

“Okay, watched again. part of the needle goes through the square.”
Now you’re just making stuff up. It’s ok not to believe in it as it’s just a video that someone found on the Internet, but to blatantly make up stuff just to protect your beliefs is just stupid.

“It isn't balancing.”
Yes it is. Watch it properly. You can see it wobble as he tries to balance it evenly on the needle. If the needle was sticking through the paper then I’m sure it wouldn’t move so freely.

“why do psi wheels need to be folded? Because, at the folded state, they are certainly blown better.”
Because they balance better. Is it any wonder why people don’t post videos on here much? The “arguments” against it are so weak.
You’re so blind you even failed to see the invisible mouse who is actually spinning the piece paper. Of course you are unable to see beyond your belief prison, plus it requires you use a Photo Shop filter.

hehe nicely done

Not only entirely plausible...but probable. Fluid does have a magnetic quality. Our hands have blood flowing through them, therefore a magnetic force exists. If one wants to turn the wheel with their mind...let them put their hands in their pockets and go for it. The fact of the matter is telekenetic energy is a myth.

once i get good enough ill do it without my hands there, but obviously itl be longer untill i get the video up though

i looked at that video again, and i do agree, that the sound is off a little, although i dont think that thats a sign of tampering with the video, because if somebody is going to change it, then theire gona do all they can to get rid of that, or they could have gotten rid of the sound alltogether. I dont think that a pin is sticking out of it though, i just think its the pixelation coupled with the fact that there are alot of vertical lines on the shirt right behind it.

Yep, 14

Now, I'll just break each paragraph of Chris's into corresponding points, because I'm lazy and can't be bothered to quote it.

1. I'm not imagining. I see movement down there.
2. Hooray.
3. Dunno, does it exist?
4. He did this for people? Where? Wow. I looked at his webpage, he only used it to host the movie. But still, I reckon you could blow through a hole there.
5. He could be rich, and TK the ass of anyone who bagged him out. Honestly, on the internet, you'd take more crap than on the news.
6. *goes and tries to balance a piece of paper on a pin* Hmmm.... also, for it to spin without falling off, you'd have to have a little more than balance.
7. *goes and sticks a pin througha piece of paper* don't get me wrong, it still wobbles, and it's still hard to get perfectly horizontal.
8. That's really stupid. With their psi, they should be able to balance a flat piece of paper anyway. I can with my figers.

And I concur, your arguments are really weak. Even weaker than mine.

And wow, here we go, personal attacks. Keep going man, you just made yourself look really stupid.
What's all this talk about skeptics being offensive? It seems to be the believers.

Overall, I refuse to believe that a person can spin a psi-wheel, and keep it balanced, but cannot balance a flat piece of paper, lift it, etc.

Well, I agree with you on one point (almost): you will never be able to use these "imaginary powers" yourself. This is solely because it has been *ahem* tested in at the very least controlled environments. As you don't believe these powers exist, it's useless to guide you to something that suggests this. When you talk about lab testing, what results do you require? I assume you're not ignorant and lazy enough to post as much as you do without having even tried to read about some of the parapsychology tests that have been conducted (granted you may well have only read from clearly biased sources) so I would like to know why these tests have not satiated you. All the best in the quest for truth.

Wow, did these tests have positive results? Can you give me a link?

Lol I bet these results conclusively prooved the existence of these abilites, that is why it is all over the news...

[quote]He did this for people? Where? Wow. I looked at his webpage, he only used it to host the movie. But still, I reckon you could blow through a hole there. [/quote]
I'm not talking about him, I'm talking about the many other fake psychics. They've moved things like this guy using their breath and it wasn't that obvious, though it was later uncovered how they did it.

[quote]He could be rich, and TK the ass of anyone who bagged him out. Honestly, on the internet, you'd take more crap than on the news.[/quote]
Rich? What has rich got to do with anything? TK the ass out of people? I doubt that would happen. Anyway, he's only managed to move a psi wheel and you want him on the 6 O Clock News.

[quote]*goes and tries to balance a piece of paper on a pin* Hmmm.... also, for it to spin without falling off, you'd have to have a little more than balance.[/quote]
Gravity? Ok, get a piece of paper, fold it, stick it on a pin and spin it a bit. Looks hard but is actually very easy. I've done it before and it can be spun without falling off.

[quote]goes and sticks a pin througha piece of paper* don't get me wrong, it still wobbles, and it's still hard to get perfectly horizontal.[/quote]
Well I can't be assed to find a pin but if you're not making that up to then I'll take that back. Though I'm sure it would be less free to move about.

[quote]That's really stupid. With their psi, they should be able to balance a flat piece of paper anyway. I can with my figers.[/quote]
The guy is a newbie. If he thinks that spining a psi wheel is good enough to record then I wouldn't think he's actually achieved much. You seem to think anyone with any sort of power should be able to instantly blow up buildings and the like.

[quote]And I concur, your arguments are really weak. Even weaker than mine.[/quote]
I thought you would say that.


[quote]And wow, here we go, personal attacks. Keep going man, you just made yourself look really stupid.[/quote]
Not as stupid as some of the other "skeptics" here. I don't even care what people think of me here anyway.

[quote]What's all this talk about skeptics being offensive? It seems to be the believers./quote]
It's both of us. "Skeptics" say some pretty stupid and offensive things aswell.

[quote]I assume you're not ignorant and lazy enough to post as much as you do without having even tried to read about some of the parapsychology tests that have been conducted[/quote]
I assume that he is.

Okay, just thought that was needed. (Just kidding, don't be offended)


Hooray.


If he could TK, he could make a fortune.
And TK people's bums. Yeah.
And look, dancing dogs get on the 6:00 news. I'm sure he could.


Wow. It eventually falls off though. It also goes lopsided, in the video, the paper doesn't.


Mmm, I think it could move about as freely, as long as the pin has no friction...


Nah. I believe that if you can do one thing on a small scale, you can do another on a small scale. Spinning a paper wheel, while keeping it balanced, can't be harder than picking it up.


I thought you'd say that too. Jinx Personal Jinx! Now you can't talk!


Hooray. Also, Skeptic = Non british. Sceptic = British.


Hooray xtOo!!!!


I assume they really didn't prove anything worth my bother.

f*** this, im going to a forum where people actualy discuss their own abilities and experiences, i dont feel like proving myself everytime i wanna talk about the psi progress iv made. seriously, have a go, it DOES exsist, open your f***ing minds or shut the f*** up and let us talk about it propperly

PLease hezza don't drop out so much f words. i can understand you get tired of the sceptics sinds you know it is possible but can't convince them couse the are very stobbern (hope you get what i meen and no offence sceptics keep being sceptic couse i want to be the one to convince you ) but you can talk about your gifts in the subforum called psychic abilitys the rules there are that no sceptics will flame

so if you want to talk about your powers go there and you will not be (as much) flamed as here

hope it helps u

Not that I didn't doubt you before..I did...because telekenisis is a myth...but I do know for certain that even in the realm of possibilites, a negative mindset such as you have displayed here can accomplish very little in either world.

[quote]Hooray.[quote/]
Read what I just wrote and stop coming back with those stupid replies. You said you wanted to see his face to do he isn't breathing on it and I said it doesn't matter.

[quote]And look, dancing dogs get on the 6:00 news. I'm sure he could.[quote/]
You just helped me make my point. Dancing dogs, square tomatoes and people eating a 6 course meal while skydiving. Oh how very serious. What makes you think they'll take this topic seriously where the only shows that do are mostly sh**?

[quote]Wow. It eventually falls off though. It also goes lopsided, in the video, the paper doesn't.[quote/]
Not with me it doesn't. Were you blowing on it? I'm sure I stated before that if you try to move it by blowing on it then it usually just wobbles and turns a bit.

[quote]Mmm, I think it could move about as freely, as long as the pin has no friction...[quote/]
But would it stay stable? I've never even though of it being effective with flat paper.

[quote]Nah. I believe that if you can do one thing on a small scale, you can do another on a small scale. Spinning a paper wheel, while keeping it balanced, can't be harder than picking it up.[quote/]
It would require a different type of force. Instead of a gentle force against it you would have to force it from under and place it on the wheel. You know how it's easier to move it's easier to move it in general when it's balanced on a pin than when it's on a table? I wonder why...

[quote]Hooray. Also, Skeptic = Non british. Sceptic = British.[quote/]
What the hell is that supposed to mean? Are you calling me racist? Are you saying I prefer British people? I prefer people who don't spew out sh** every time they talk...also Asians, but that's going a bit of topic.

Why is it you like to reply with "hooray"? Is it that it actually makes sense but to admit that you would also have to admit that I'm not an idiot and that the "immaculate skeptics" aren't always right.
I'm trying to have a decent conversation to you but it's like talking to that New Englander troll on another forum. I half expect you to type self rightious religious drivel. I think I'll go back to typing crap again.

I actually say Hooray when I see a point which really doesn't interest me


O_O I don't think the dicovery of supernatural abilities would be counted as stupid. Oh, and the 6:00 news.. is... news... not ****. They just have some happy stories sometimes.


No, I mas moving it with my mind *rolls eyes*
I was blowing on it, and spinning it with my hand. Look, most things balancing, will change their position on their stand while moving. This results in lop-sided-ness.


It doesn't need to. They keep a folded piece of paper on with their minds, they keep a flat piece of paper balanced with their minds. Same thing.


Oh noes. Different types of force.... (Hooray)
Honestly, they display power, to keep things balancing while spinning. They can make the things defy gravity.
Their TK force, is stronger than gravity!


No, you said "skeptic" I aactually thought you were complaining about the way I spelt it sorry. But now, I realise you're just not calling me a skeptic at all
And I love you too, because we all know I don't spew **** when I post




Uh, I explained the Hooray thing. And yeah. You're not an idiot, but your pyrokinesis topic took you rather close (No offence, but it did!)

And I've never talked to this New Englander. On another forum. Although, I do know of a forum which everyone's like me. It's crazy, we're always arguing.

Gawd. I'm glad my writing style seem self flattering to others. Because I really don't get it. Self riteous, blah blah...

And yeah, you do that thing....

whats with the whole deal about balancing on a pin? it doesnt balance, its folded the way it is so the center is higher than the outer edges. it balances on its own no problem. the weight of the paper properly centered on a pin head is nearly weightless, which is why its easyer to spin it than lift the thing in the air completly. no gravity defyance... just neat folds

Okay. Please, read my post a few more times. As the psi-wheel spins, the position of the needle-point on the paper would change. This puts it off balance.

a solid parapsychology organization is the Rhine foundation, or studies conducted by Rhine in general. He ran the parapsychology department at Duke University (I believe that's where you have your diploma from Replacement, right?) and did a lot of the pioneering work in Parapsychology. If you're too lazy to do a little research on it on your own your a pathetic skeptic. I have posted a study which details results on PK, though I don't believe Replacement or Mr Ed have responded to it. Ohhhhh, I just figured it out. Mr Ed is a flaming bot, and Replacement takes his aggression for lacking.....well something apparently (girlfriend, life etc, who knows?) on the people who are open to attack.

If you read through the community board, you will see that I have a girlfriend,
And if you read my blog, I'm normally a happy guy!

What I just love is how you call Mr Ed a flamer, when you're attempting to flame yourself, and you can't quite think up a siutable argument for me, so you just say that I'm 'lacking something'.

Contradictions....

Quite spineless too. Are you like.. 14 or something?

I refuse to argue any longer with you untill you show some maturity. I know that may seem odd with the posts that have caused me to be suspended from posting but I'm fairly amazed at the things that you aren't allowed to post here.
Properly answer my post about the wheel staying on balance when it's spun "properly" and I'll continue with this "debate".

PS. Sorry for my immature posting. I'll try and keep from doing it from now on.

Ok, the Rhine Foundation site is blocked on this network.

What Replacement said. ^

Lol calling us flamers and then trying to comment on Replacements life, don't be such a sad act.
Argue your case, but don't start insulting people because you haven't got anything else to say.

I think that girlfriend argument actually won me over.

I now believe on the paranormal without any doubt as girlfriends are tangible (if not very hard to obtain sometimes) proof.

Well done to the brain that came up with that. I am pretty sure you are the evolution of the human kind...

hang on. how old is everyone here. is there anyone here my age or older? im 28. iv got the feeling am i arguing with a bunch of kids who are half my age? especialy when noone will have a decent discussion about the actual topic.

Haha, I'm EXACTLY half your age 14
Psychic

i am 18 and well i can't move the psi wheel either. i don't even have one.

well i can't create a psi ball either so i gues i have to practice more

lol psychic.... looks like im in the wrong thread

blackice. psi wheels have been round for years, i wasnt much older than u when my brother got me to have a go. i only gave it a good shot and practised it cos i could get it moving just a tiny little bit, and wanted to see if it had a natural explantion or not. i practised and it took a realy long time, but i can now have it spinning at about 3 revolutions a second, stop it, and get it going 3 revolutions a second the other way, so hang in there, it can be done.

the only thing that keeps me a little skeptical about the psi wheel (not PK or TK, i think there is more to this world than we give credit for) is that when i speed it up or change direction, i have to alter my hand position. could be a simple body heat thing, that reacts to the structure of the wheel, but i dont know so i wont start ANOTHER debate lol

I've managed to stop it easily without changing hands. I'm not sure about making it spin the other way though. I had it going so that whenever my hand was near it it would spin almost automatically and I only had to work to stop it.
I'm only 19. I used to come here because of my interests but now I mostly come to see what crap people have posted. I need to focus on myself more at the moment.

yes i think some people do say allot of crap like you said

but maybe some indeed have psichic abilitys then i want to know how they do it or how i do it. if i succeed .