Boltwave,

I have no problem with Ericraven attempting to help Rosemary, and I merely suggested that he be constructive rather than repetitive and myopic.

We will have to agree to disagree on matters of spirituality. I have vast practical experience while you have literary knowledge and that which you have absorbed from discussion with various members on this site or elsewhere in the world.

I will continue to help Rosemary in any way I can, but if those like Ericraven are to continue employing methods the likes of which I'm seeing, I would simply enjoy a higher quality of assistance from the opposite end of the spectrum. I doubt that the site administrators appreciate the fluff responses that inhibit visitation and participation. I got pretty far-fetched and wacky in recent days, but that foolishness had a grander purpose that my humility could not envision within the various moments of child-like innocence.

Rosemary needs many doors shown to her but, as the expression follows, she must open them herself.

First and foremost (And I've already suggested therapy if she cannot find happiness on her own), Rosemary needs to ignore the premonitions and let history unfold as I said earlier in this thread. For you and I to continue back and forth is not going to help Rosemary in any way. We have two completely different backgrounds, and while I respect individualism, I cannot and will not respect organized religion and its borrowed form of individualism spread to the masses to further man's oppression. That is what's harming many souls' abilities to reach their potential and rise above much depression in this world.

No disrespect Boltwave, and highest regards, but please don't take it the wrong way if I neglect in responding to your future inquiries immediately or at all.

Best wishes,
Brian

Fair enough, take care

How is that your point? You said if it wasn't possession you didn't know what it was...What else could it be? Mental illness. I only mentioned it because your comment seemed one-sided like you didn't think that people could in fact be mentally ill in an asylum. It's the way you worded your sentence.

Oh alright, well that makes sense

I got up this morning and at 5 a.m. I made a very long post and timed out and so that was lost.
But no I have no mental Illness, the reason these four Spirits are doing this to me as I said is because they are trying to prevent me from getting some of the kinds of psychic Information that I have been doing for 20 years as a Psychic Channeller.
As I said I have thousands of dated and timed pages of psychic Information, looks into the future and Predictions and Detective cases and in the beginning it flowed like water from above from a Place I am told is the Akaskic Records but as time went on and these four began to escalate their attacks to prevent me from getting this kind of psychic Information things became worse and being human my brain began to become too exhausted to bother most of the time.
Once I came on here to tell my Story hoping someone woud believe they became even more violent and are beside themselves with joy at some of the Nonbelievers on this Forum and so you see when you make Evil Possessing Spirits jump for Joy you are doing the work of the Devil because he wants everyone to believe everything good that God and the Good Angels try to relay to Earth through Channels like me.

Having said that I will give you just one or two examples of the kind of information I have received over the years which causes them to do this.
The other day someone asked me for more details.
Back in the Mid eighties when this all began I wasn't as exhausted from their attacks and I got wonderful Psychic Information.
Some of it wasn't so wonderful but it was never theless spectacular at least to me just getting started down the path to Channelling.
In the mid eighties one day I got a look into the future that showed a Nuclear Explosion at our local Nuclear Plant and as I meditated I could see it was in the Nuclear Reactor but I didn't know when it would happen so I called the agency and told them what I see in the future but said I don't know when it will occur I just know its in their future and to keep a good check on maintenance to avoid it.
Well I suppose it was in the Nineties that such an incident occurred but was avoided because someone caught it in time but now there have been four people fired for fudging on mainteance repiorts over the years and they have been barred from ever working in the Nuclear Power Industry in the future.
I of course had nothing to do with that I'm just talking about the look into the future I had as a Psychic.
These looks into the future are meant to avoid these Disasters.

I am adding this in segments so I don't lose another entry because my Computer is cutting out this morning.
Another reason these Spirits are doing this is in the past I was doing healings and they didn't like what they believed to be the truth.
One night I was watching 'Most Wanted' when they featured a policeman who had been shot in the head during a robbery and had lain in a Coma for seven years.
As I quite often did at the time, I wrote his name and information down on a piece of paper, touched the words and sent a prayful healing.
A short time later I saw a Story in the Newspaper where the Policeman had awakened and knew everyone around him and felt like he had been asleep for a time.
it was kind of like 'Rip Van Winkle' waking up.
Before that a Story ran in our Local paper where a Teen had been playing with a gun with a friend and the gun went off and a bullet lodged in the teens brain and he had been in a coma for a time and they felt he would not awaken and they were trying to get his mother to take him off life support.
I meditated on the Teen and saw him recovering and tried to get a letter to his mother telling her not tio let this happen.
The next thing I knew is the Teen was on the News with Flash bulbs and he was walking out of the Hospital and they were again calling it a Miracle.
No one ever knew I did the healing and I never tried to get any Publicity but still the Evil Spirits continued to attack my brain trying to render it incapable of doing these things.
And of course that is only one of many amazing things that have happened to me since I began channelling for Spirit and of course no one can ever prove these things.
Would these people have recovered without my 'Divine Prayer and Healing?'
I don't know and no one knows how these things work and so I don't try to seek publicity for these things I just wanted to work quietly but as you can see as these Four Evil Spirits try to stop me and I keep trying to get people to believe what they are doing to me the stories just keep getting told and everyone keeps saying impossible.
so know I don't have a Mental problem I am just another psychic Channeller and another Story in 'The Naked City' of 'Unsolved Mysteries', and 'Believe it or Not' as we communicate and work with:
"One Step Beyond'. and as I interact ,and cop with 'My Two Worlds'.
Now get with it everyone.
This is New Age Stuff, and we can't have any old fogey, Nonbelievers holding us back, we have work to do if I am to have some Channelers when I go to the Spirit World.

It may be helpful if you provided names, dates, locations. Try giving specific information and maybe some of us who truly believe that you're good at telling stories might consider believeing you. Give us some proof. Something researchable, something tangible, something that makes us say, "well there's no way she's crazy." Because all I hear is vague, nondescript, generalized, empty, hollow and boldly inflammatory statements that I believe cannot be backed up, because in my opinion ARE NOT REAL!

I do have some emotional issues growing up in a situation around schizophrenia. I will always have them. That is why I am so adamant about people getting help with mental issues and not assuming they are of the paranormal nature. If a person chooses to not get treated, thats fine, but they should remember the damage done to their loved ones. So say what you will, I believe she needs some help.

Hi guys, my first post on this site! just giving my opinion. I've read alot of things that rosemary herself has written, i personally have never ever had any kind of paranormal experience but my mother has. But i have watched some of you sit and ridicule her, discussing what mental disorder she may possibly have, if this is the ignorance you choose to believe, and that there is no possibility for it. why are you on such a site? i am not trying to be rude but alot of you seem to be contradicting yourselfs. I am not saying everyone should believe everything she is saying but y'know, why would a 68 yr old lady waste her time on the internet if she was insane lol

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Moooooo

Mentally ill people are all over the internet.The internet can be, for many, their only outlet. Many of us come to this site because we are fascinated by the paranormal. I can't wait for the day I am proven wrong. My life would become alot more interesting.

I for one I'm not stating that she only needs medical treatment, I'm advising like others to look for professional help outside of what she's adapted too, she's had these problems for a while and it would make sense to say she is possessed but she hasn't seen a doctor or seeked any medical help of any kind since, at least, that's what I've heard, until she gets the check up, and proves us all wrong, I will say she is mental

Ericraven,

Thank you for clarifying your situation. There were some points that I felt needed to be made publicly, and my goal was certainly not to minimize your pain. If anything, I saw an opportunity to demystify the idea of "demons"/ultimate evil, and bring to light a human example of the type of pain that these departed souls are enduring. The next two paragraphs aren't going to be consistent with your beliefs, and that's okay, but it's still something I need to state from my own personal experience for others who accept the phenomena. But please do read the final paragraph.

There's no devil involved in what's going on with the mislabeled spirits. Most of them are people like you and I who had sick, perverted parents, and they don't want to live again by conventional means. Hence, the befriending of small children, taking more and more control as the youths reach sexual maturity. It's a case of having their cake and eating it, too. They don't want the pain of childhood again, so they do their best to skip it at the expense of our youngest brothers and sisters.

That is why it's so important to heal onself in life, as opposed to thinking everything is going to resolve itself in death. It's not fair to exploit another child's pain in the hopes of cheating childhood to ease your own. That's not a natural process, and I think that explains why the variety of solutions are so simple: apathy, empathy, sympathy, and/or love. We grow with our positive emotions, strengthen ourselves, and neglect to feed the harmful energy, hence it departs.

I know you don't accept what I've said of the paranormal as truth, but as someone who comes from a family with a very dysfunctional mother and emotionally absent father, I'm willing to listen and do my best to help you via PM or E-mail. I will limit my discussion with you to the issues of how I've managed the pain of a psychotic mother, and will not venture into the paranormal at all. That's not a subject with which you're ready to deal at this time.

Take care,
Brian
volunteerhealer@yahoo.com

Hello, Rosemary,

I just want you to know that I think about you quite often. I love you, and will continue to do whatever I possibly can to assist you for however long I may remain on this Earth. Today, a few thoughts entered my head, so I wrote them down with the aim of sharing them with you.

You've spoken at some length about John F. Kennedy. His untimely death in 1963 was a tragedy, but he does not possess the significance that history has fooled us into believing. Few statesmen do. Those in the highest of posts, especially in politics, historically have the lowest of minds. He was a fiscal conservative, admired by many, but shrouded in scandal, and was assassinated. That's all.

Society has made more of his death than it was. Women of all ages found him physically appealing, and it's an unfortunate side effect of vanity that people mistake beauty for power, but he is no martyr. The scandals and conspiracy theories revolving around his death have falsely immortalized him. It's nonsense to think of him as being any more special than anyone else who walks, or has ever walked, this planet.

Ben Franklin, like JFK, spoke and wrote of lofty moral principles, but both men had many perversions in their private lives. Unconsciously exploring the ills of youth via sexual deviation is understandable. Though the point I'd like to drive home is that none of these historical figures are gods, nor were they perfect. They are not to be revered, and none deserve your attention at the expense of your own happiness and freedom.

God Bless,
Brian

I would like to thank you for posting the way you did and telling everyone about your Psychic Mother.
The things I write are all true but I realize some of them are almost unbelievable and those who are not as familiar with these things may at first label the Psychic as a Liar or having a mental Problem because its most difficult to tell some people that you are interacting to such a Degree with Spirits, something that few believe in or are afraid to interact with because most people are afraid of Ghosts and the dead.
I know when I first went to the Spiritual Church and got my first Message from beyond I was kind of afraid and in fact didn't even want to go to the Church to get messages from the Dead but my sister and a group of friends talked me into going there and once I did that I wanted to communicate and work with Guides.
As I said before my relatives who first appeared as the ones I knew on Earth thought they should have me exclusviely as a channel because there aren't enough channels and they decided if they couldn't write with me exclusively they would cause trouble and they have.
I on the other hand was willing to work with them and give them plenty of time to communicate and write to Earth but I also wanted to be free to meditate and gather information from many other sources in the after Life and there is where the problems began.
I am trying to work things out with all the Spirits I am in communication with and if they remain stubborn I have a group of Paranormal Investigators which include several Psychics and a Demonologist who have promised to call me today and help me and hopefully that helps me work out my issues with my three Relatives and Dr. P. and after that either they will change or we hopefully will part company.
But since I have never dealt with how to solve a Possession in the Past I have to just take it one day at a time and see how this all works out after my helpers arrive.
I am having a few problems as you can see on here who keep saying I have a mental problem but since you have a Psychic Mother I think you understand that some people just haven't had enough experience with the Supernatural to make these statements but I don't blame them they will become better educated along these lines as time goes on, and I am very grateful to read their replies because it tells me some of the problems I might have to deal with if I get books published or step out into Public as a Psychic in the future.

Thank you very much for your comments.
I would also like to say that no one knows more about the mistakes he made this time around than JFK, and we discuss some of his past discretions quite often.
I quite often give him my opinion about some of these things after I get more Psychic Information about some of the things he did when he walked the Earth.
In fact when I read these Posts he and many other Guides in the after life also read them and we discuss them at graet lengths sometimes before we decide how we should answer you.
We are hoping as time goes on and some of the Posters on this Forum will become better informed about the After Life and begin to believe in it and some of the things I am writing.
I am happy to see the posts that you and Ed made because I can see you know quite a bit about the after life but sometimes one or the other of you will join the others in thinking I have a mental problem especially after I write about some of my Psychic Experiences, and while it may seem crazy to some to think I am in communication with some of the people I talk about or when I relay some things I have learned from the Spirit World that may appear to be unbelievable to some I can understand that because there was a time when I too might have reacted this way.
But I assure all of you that everything I write is the absolute truth but unprovable to some but as time goes on I hope to bring some of my timed and dated notes out of my Archives and share them and hopefully clear some of these things up.
As times goes on I think others will realize if they get into Channelling for Spirit that almost anyone who has ever lived could apepar to you one day and want to write with you and that is what happened to me.
And while some of my Guides may have been Famous when they walked the Earth in the Spirit World I try to treat them all as equals and give them all the same opportunity to work through me as I would anyone else.
I know JFK, Jimmy Hoffa and others that I write about as having gathered information on them from the after Life may get peoples attention but I was just telling a story and behind the scenes when I meditate on crimes I treat local peoples cases just the way I do the others because a Murder is a Murder to a Psychic Detective and all they want to do is help solve them and tell the World what wonderful information can be forthcoming from the After Life if we will only open up and believe or at least keep an open mind and continue to try to find the answers.

To answer your question, people with a mental illness that is surrounded by delusions or hallucinations and the like, wouldn't know that is what is wrong with them. As a person investigating ANYTHING, whether it be possessions, ghosts, a murder, a theft, etc, you first look at the most logical explanations, and then go from there. You don't start at the most far fetched idea. A good number of people here are merely wanting to rule delusions out completely before moving on. You have to say to yourself: "is it possible that what is happening to her is caused by delusions?". Yes, that is possible. So she goes to see a doctor, who does brain scans to see if there is something that would indicate that. Then you move on to a psychiatrist. If he rules this out as a possibility, you move on to other things.

If you heard a noise in your livingroom, and you were home alone with no one there but a pet, wouldn't you first think of the you looked, and the pet was in the room with you, then you would move into the livingroom to see if there is anything that could have caused the noise. Then you continue looking into possibilities until eventually, if none of that applies, you may THEN come to the conclusion that it could be poltergeist activity, or some other phenomenon.

I do agree that people should not be suggesting these things in a mocking tone, and I can see why that would upset you. However, you cannot condemn people simply because they look into things to make sure to rule out the probable first.

Rosemary,

You're very welcome, as always. We've both struggled in this life a great deal, and please keep this empathy in mind as I continue to share my thoughts in this response.



My concern is not for the emotional state of anyone with whom you are in contact, living or dead, other than you. You need to be in contact with you, and you alone, when you are not in the company of other human beings. The premonitions and the conversations with guides or historical figures must be ignored completely if you're to begin the road to recovery. Those premonitions, whether or not they've helped society, are by no means helping your achievement of happiness. People are going to die, buildings are going to be struck by hijacked jets, wars will ensue, and decades old murders will remain unsolved. These events balance man's perceptions of good and evil. They are not evil, and you are not responsible for any hope of preventing them.

I know very well of the legitimacy of spirits, but I don't need to read your previous posts or decide upon any credibility they may hold to know that you're abandoning your own happiness in favor of that of others. The activities in which anyone takes part in this world must be for his/her pleasure first, then others second. If we try to fill others with joy while we are empty, no one becomes joyful. Love yourself, learn about you, what's inside your mind, heart, and soul. And don't participate in any spirit conversations, or for that matter worry about what others say in this forum of real or imagined status. Concern about me thinking of you as mentally ill is also a waste of your time, and it's not humble to assume that I would ever think badly of you at a future date. Pride, in this way, is a big part of your problem.



Your use of the term "We" is why so many people, myself included, are concerned for you. I'm knowledgeable on matters of the paranormal to a point that I recognize your condition as spiritual. You're inhabited and surrounded by spirits that refuse to reincarnate. They're in pain, they're suffering, and they use your negative emotions to remain in a limbo-type comfort zone between life and death.

They don't want to be dead, but they don't wish to live again due to issues they have with faith, childhood, etc. All you have to do is ignore them, and if they become combative out of fear for the love they see you developing within yourself, love them despite the combativeness. You keep the love, and that's why spirits can't use positive emotion against you. A person or thing causes you to want to fall in love with yourself. You have the sense of control, and that other person is only an inspiration. He/she is not an essential part of that love relationship.



I respect the work and sacrifices of psychic detectives. I know, through the ability to perceive residual energy and via direct communication with spirits, crimes can be solved. Murderers have been convicted due to the help of psychic detectives; missing children have been found, and not all are high profile cases. That doesn't concern me. As I said previously, these crimes and persons gone missing still represent but one life in the cycle of many and must be viewed sheerly as learning experiences when one in your position cannot handle the emotional burden. I'd advised you of pride and its dangers earlier.

Vanity, in placing that much emphasis upon individual lives, is also an issue for you. I don't think it's any accident that these were coined, 'deadly sins'. Vanity and pride have been draining the life from you. It may seem unthinkable to consider one's concern for human life vain, but when measured against the immortality of the soul and the countless lifetimes, that's exactly what it is. Neither you nor I are the type of people who would intentionally harm anyone, but we mustn't allow ourselves to be harmed by concern for that which makes so little difference on the eternal timeline. Ignore them, Rosemary. Ignore them. Discuss this post only with me, those on this website, or any trusted friends and family who are familiar with your struggle and walk this Earth in physical form.


Love,
Brian

Thank you but most of my right thinking Guides have been in the Spirit World for a long time and they are adjusted to their life there and now they want to work through me to offer their insight into many things.
I do have a life other than this as do most people who frequently post on here.
I am doing nothing more than working as a Psychic channeler like Edgar Cayce, Ruth Montgomery, Sylvia Brown and Jesus did when he walked the Earth in his Lifetime and tried to convey to the World that he is a Channel for God and other good forces in the Spirit World.
All of the afore mentioned have met with much difficulty when they tried to tell people what they are doing in their Work and I of course am also having quite a bit of trouble convincing others about what I am doing and one of the problems may be the fact that I am dealing with my three relatives and Dr. P. who have set out to discredit my work and cause me nothing but trouble.
I am hoping a little alter today when the Paranormal Investigator and his group one of who is a Demonologist can access this situation and we can figure out some solutions to this situation.
But make no mistake about it I am committed to my life of working with God and his good Spiritual Guides in the Universe as I try to carry on some of the Work that Jesus and others have tried to do over the years.
I consider myself as doing God's work and also the work that Jesus didn't get a chance to finish when he was on Earth and I know this may be something that brings a few comments but no more so than say Pat Robinson or any other preacher that makes his views known.
But I am not here to convert anyone only to tell them what my intnetions are and while you may not believe in what I am telling you I know what my truth is and I also am committed to my Guides in the Spirit World who want me to help them prove Life After Death.
My Three Relatives and Dr. are here of course uninvited to prove there is also mean, spiteful people who die and sometimes they don't change in the after Life because they have Free will there just as they do on Earth.
Now what I am out to prove is can a Demonologist with God's help drive these four uninvited Guests out of my body and what happens in this situation can certainly be used to further Paranormal Research no matter what anyones opinions of my situation are.

Rosemary; I've sent you an email from bebi1st@aol.com as your PM folder is full

Thank you I'll read it and get back to you.
The PM I am trying to learn how to handle that folder and when I tried to empty it they keep telling me the messages will be compiled and sent to me but so far it hasn't happened and so I'll see what I can do about that.
I'm expecting the Paranormal group to call me today to make arrangements to investigate my situation and so I'll see when they are coming and be on the Computer again when I can.

To Bibi
Your E-mail went to my Spam Folder and I accidently deleted would you mind sending it to me again please.
Thank You

Yup sounds about right... For some reason AOL doesn't like my email address. I've sent again.

Apologies for going OT

Rosemary,

Another problem is your use of the phrase, "right thinking", in regard to your "guides". This is not about right or wrong, good or evil. It's about personal choices that you've made that have diminished your happiness and allowed possession to manifest. You come here seeking help to rid yourself of these spirits, yet you consistently deny that the joy draining experience of awaiting sage-like advice from spirit guides has played any part.



I never questioned whether or not you had a social life. My mention of friends or family was in regard to seeing a benefit to human interaction with these phenomena, and having the courage to look like a fool with these stories to know who your friends truly are. This is an important step toward humility; a place where you are not. And I know from personal experience that proving anything to them only hampers one's maintenance of humility. You can't bask in the pride of proving your friends' lifetime of beliefs fallible then expect to kneel before God as a humble creature. It's taken me six years to restore any quantity of humility in my life. I once again had to be humbled by practical jokers on this website, and I was thankful for this the very day that it came to pass.

You're being defensive about my perception of your social ties. I question your level of happiness, only. Mozart had a social life, he was a party animal, but the psycho-spiritual pain that accompanied his inspiration for astounding, timeless music drove him to drink and killed him by his mid 30s.

If it meant that Mozart could have been happy, I would have advised him, as I'm now advising you similarly, to stop listening for the haunting music. This is the type of spiritual pain that can last lifetimes if it's not dealt with appropriately. Wean yourself if it's too much of a shock to quit cold turkey. Listen less often until you can achieve an acceptable level of happiness.

Make no mistake: external, spiritual inspiration is a marvelous and wonderful thing, but if it becomes our sole purpose and we forget about what inspires us from within, then we all become a bunch of miserable Mozarts with a legacy of painful, though often treasured, paper trails.


God Bless,
Brian

Hey again, just thought i would come and post something school childish lol. I was wondering, Rosemary, if these people who you say are possessing you are trying to make you speak out about your experiences to make people understand they are living and that they want *whoever* to prove they can banish them from within you, why cant you just ignore them? i dont know exactly how they interfere with you personally but if thats what they want, your doing it. I mean your coming on here and telling everyone about what they do and pleasing them unless ofcourse you believe pleasing them is the easiest way. Im a bit dumb on this subject but it interests me so much i would love to find a great book aswell guys, something with regards to the deeds of the devil any recommendations?

Moooooo,

Don't think of yourself as dumb, but an interested party. You can always turn that frown upside down. More of that vital balance mumbo jumbo.

The devil has nothing to do with it. No such entity in my opinion, except in the minds of those who believe they are him or are being affected by him. Read my earlier post to Ericraven for an idea on just how non-evil these spirits are. They're suffering from negative emotions of previous lives, and they're nothing more than grade school bullies seeking negative attention and a relatively pain-free shot at life without parental authority standing in their way.

The "guide" may have the best of motives, but Rosemary has elevated him to a savior or God-like status. Until she wisely devoids her mind of those poison thoughts, there is little hope. She's not apt to ignore he who she believes to be God, and that's what's so sad about her condition. She's but one more victim of organized religion's misguidance as so many others who have come before her.

I prevented in myself years ago, alone, what Rosemary has been struggling with for over 20 years. She places significance on all kinds of events that dazzle the masses but mean nothing in terms of spirituality. Humility is spirituality, not Hollywood parlor tricks and seer saying. Human life is cheap in the eternal sense, bodies are simply suits, and Rosemary is, in essence, grabbing a vacuum to suck moths from old coats.

We're all going to be much happier in this world when reincarnation is an accepted philosophy and it's realized that Heaven is right here on this little blue-green planet we call Earth. If and when the day comes that the asteroid hits, or when the moon finally escapes orbit (Which it's doing, slowly) we'll project our souls elsewhere in the galaxy/universe. Some may not know this, but the moon's gravitational affects prevent our planet from wobbling, and wobble is not good on a planetary scale. Sidetracked, sorry, but I think it's neat.

Everyone,

I'd like to ask a favor. Some of you may have personal relationships to Rosemary, and that's not my business, but please don't be afraid to post any constructive advice here, even if it may appear cruel. Cruelty, if done in the right manner, may help her more than any of the more benevolent methods that have failed. None of us can afford to believe that our attempts are infallible. It doesn't help Rosemary to heal, and it doesn't help those who are ready and willing to learn when the attempts are secretive.

But also it is a known fact that one must WANT to get better for it to happen, no matter what medicine you take.

Everyday, you can talk to strangers, acquaintances or even friends and family, who will tell you about this or that problem - you can give them advice, possibly you can even see EXACTLY what is going on with them and their issue and know from experience or insight what the factors are - and you can lay everything out for them step by step, to resolve the situation. How many do it? How many are willing to take a chance and see if your idea works?

On the whole, even when they ASK, people just want others to listen - they don't want them to solve problems, they don't want advice. They decide either they can solve the problem themselves and just want to talk it out, or they decide its something that can't be solved, and just want validation by sharing their story with someone who provides things that they "already know won't work" - no sense in TRYING any of them, of course, the afflicted person already has an intuitive knowledge that this won't work.

You can pour water into a glass for someone and hold it up to their lips, but you can't drink it for them.

You just can't ignore Mean Possessing Spirits as I've said before they are sitting right inside my brain tearing viciously at my Brain and they do this day and night and they also can crawl up into the human throat and cause gagging.
I have tried ignoring them and keeping them off the computer for weeks and it was so vicious that I feel I had to get onto the computer and at least tell others that Possessions are Real and what the experience is like.
Because of people not believing and saying that some of the Possession Movies just aren't true is one of the reasons its so hard to get anyone to agree to do an Exorcism because most people are convinced its just in the Imagination of the person who this is happening to.
I am surprised that only a few people on this sight have been bothered with possessions, and perhaps many could be possessed and not even know it and when they go to a Doctor and tell them some of the symptoms such as hearing voices and such the Doctor not knowing about these things might diagnose them with mental problems.
I believe one of the things that caused some my problems is another Spiritual Writer Ruth Montgomery who wrote with her Guides Thomas and Lily wrote about Walk-In's where allegedly God can put an Enlightened Spirit back into the body of Sinners on Earth and this is one of the reasons that these people have tried to take over my body and become Walk-In's.
If you would like to read the book I am referring to you might be able to get it on line or at the Library and the name of the book is:
"Strangers Among Us" By Spiritual Writer Ruth Montgomery.
The book is very scary and I personally don't know if its true or not but I believe that books has caused my Possession because this is what they have told me.
They have been sitting inside my body all these years trying to cause my Spirit to give up and leave the body and give it to them so they can Walk the Earth in it.
I know it sounds crazy but that book started it all and since I didn't write it I can't do anything about it.

Now wait a minute, this is like the third or forth time you've claimed to come into contact with a demonologist and paranormal investigators, why do you keep repeating this stuff? I'm just asking some questions is all, but this is a little frustrating reading paragraph after paragraph where you will always find a sentence or two that was the same as yesterday's post.

And yes Rosemary, there is a devil if any spiritual activity is involved, FrankBlunt and you can go on about the spirit realm and your contacts and what not but most of us here aren't going to buy into it you see

I won't be suprised if the investigators find nothing wrong with you or your house, and I doubt a professional will perform an investigation without first asking you some questions, like: "have you seen a doctor lately?"

Until you can prove us wrong there is nothing to defend, only the fact that it's possible you are mentally ill and have refused to get medical treatment within a span, of what? Twenty years?

I don't get what some people don't get about these situations, we all know a person is possessed because they cannot be healed by all medical means whatsoever, same thing applys for the mentally ill, if religious treatment doesn't work, try medicine, it just might work

Now, Bebi admitted she was schizophrenic, if you noticed she also said that she had not known about these things until the doctors pointed it out, Bebi's not crazy, she's totally rational and can type in the front of the computer as you can see from her post, but guess what? SHE HAS A MENTAL ILLNESS THAT IS TREATED BY MEDICINE!

If you haven't gotten the last part of my post, then here's my point re-explained to you:

Try to see a doctor before contacting any clergy or demonologist

Listen to what the doctor says

If the doctor subscirbes medicine, please take his word for it

Or maybe they are mentally ill and want to be treated to get better. Which makes more sense? Mental illnes does.

Well, what can we say? At least we tried

Rosemary,

Look carefully at what you stated in regard to that book.



A book is comprised of thin sheets of wood, glue, and usually some form of plastic. To say that the book is "scary", what emotion does that bring to mind? Think about it and own it, then do your best to forget about it.

Your own fear has contributed to your situation. After all these years of suffering, your adaptation level remains sufficient to function in society, so you certainly have the power to abandon any negative emotions. Don't focus on notions of spirits attacking your brain. You need to forget about the importance that you've placed upon your body and mind. Too much fear results from thinking that God and Satan have hidden agendas for human life. It's not in your interest to dwell upon such ideas.

You chose to react a certain way to that book. I nod my head when I see truth or its potential in stories; I don't let it frighten me based on the reactions expected of mainstream society.

If you choose not to take the advice in seeking therapy, and no one can force you until you become a threat to yourself or others, consider reading Your Erroneous Zones by Dr. Wayne Deyer. You have been a threat to your own happiness for over 20 years, but you're not a threat to others because they have to decide to be afraid or depressed when they read or hear your testimony.

The book I recommended is a timeless and priceless handbook for anyone who is struggling with accepting responsibility for his/her emotions. Dr. Deyer writes in such a way that you'll feel that he's a lifelong friend, not a psychiatrist, as you turn the pages.

Please, take this first step toward healing and owning your emotions. Spirits have no power over you that you do not allow. Books are inanimate; the emotions are within you and under your ultimate control. Your condition has a spiritual element that I know all too well, but your choice to diminish or eliminate the abundant influence of positive emotion in your life is where the spiritual condition deviates to a mental one. I'm not judging you, Rosemary, but you shouldn't worry about that regardless.

Do you and others keep saying that over and over again because facing the possibly of this being True is just too Frightening?

I believe you and others just starting to dabble in the Paranormal find my Story just too frightening and so you keep coming up with that old Chestnut Mental Illness.
Why don't you stop spewing all the things you have read in books and on other websites and get some Psychic Channelling experience yourself and try to prove me right or wrong?
Why don't you visit a Spiritual Church and get involved after receiving messages from your deceased relatives then take some classes on Channelling there like I did and learn to communicate with Spirit and learn the truth for yourselves.
Unless of course your just too chicken to find out the truth.
I suggest you stop using the term mental illness unless you know what the Hell you are talking about.
You haven't had my experiences and you don't know what you are talking about and I feel your narrowminded inexperience and your comments can set Paranormal Investigation back to the Dark Ages.

What I said, is I have contacted a Paranormal Group who has Psychics he said he will bring with him.
He has said he will get back to me this week and I am waiting.
As I recall when you first began writing here several months ago you appeared to know very little about the Paranormal but now that you have heard my Story you seem to have become an overnight expert and I believe your kind spewing closed minded Biblical things are one of the problems the Possessed has in trying to get their Story out.
But what I am saying is not Demonic as you will say.
You spew the Bible and what it says all the time and of course Demons are in the Bible and Jesus cast them out according to the bible.
The Bible referrs to them as Fallen Angels.
Fall Angels are the Spirits of the Dead who for whatever reason are rejecting the teachings in the Bilble and they are Rejecting God but these four while masquerading as Demons to destroy my copy are also too chicken to come out and see if there is any kind of punishment waiting for them when they leave this body.
And wheather you as a know very little about Spirit communication believes it or not it doesn't mean its not true.
what you need to do is get a little one on one experience in Spirit Communication before you trounce yourself out as an Expert throwing around such words as Mental Illness and making suggestions that I see a Psychaitrist because you just don't know what the hell you are talking about and I think you need to get a little more schooling in this before you attack me again and my truth.
You need to realize that Humans who communicate with the Spirit World wrote the Bible you are spewing and so you are quoting a bunch of Psychic Channellers who claim to be writing the word of God now where are those psychic Channellers any different than the Psychic Channellers to day that many are calling no nothings and Charletins.
So get real.

I am not afraid of these four Evil Spirits at all, but I do not enjoy the pain that they cause from inside my body.
How and when they come out is anyones guess, but I will keep trying, and in the meantime I am hoping that some of you who keep throwing the word Mental Illness around will stop doing that and take the Possession Movies more serious.
As I said I have made no contact with any other Spirits or Demons in 20 years save my three relatives and Dr. P. who rejoice in the things you are saying as you disbelieve what I am saying and in a sense you who throw around this word Mental Illness are supporting these Four Evil Spirits.
They want you to believe its not true but they know anyone could be Possessed if you have enemies in the Spirit World with an ax to grind.
Now what I suggested is people who are interested in the Paranormal might want to take a look at the book written by: Spiritual Writer, Ruth Montgomery 'Strangers Among US'
In the book she says that a Higher Power brings Enlightened Spirits to Earth and takes the Spirit of Sinners and unhappy people out and takes that unhappy Spirit to the After Life, and brings an Enlightened Spirit down here and puts it into that body so it can work with he and other Guides as Channellers.
Now my problems began when one of the Guides appeared when this First Started and he told me that I am a Walk-In and he said that the Spirit of Mary was put into this body to work with the Guides.
I of course can't prove any of that all I know is it was told to me by Jesus who appeared to me on May 9, 1986.
After that Carrie wanted to walk the Earth as Mary, and so she and the other three got into my body and tried to drive the Spirit of Mary???? out of this body so they can walk the Earth in this body.
Now I have no proof there are really Walk-In's, I can only say that I was told this when Jesus appered and said:
"You are my Mother from the Holy Land Lifetime, and you have returned to Earth at this time to Channel for the Guides to help us teach the World about Everlasting Life."
Now all I can tell you is Spiritual Writer Ruth Montgomery, and her Guides Thomas and Lily wrote these things and when Jesus appeared to me and told me these things this is when my problems began.
Now don't some of you think you would like to read that book and see what is written about Walk-In's.
While I don't have proof one way or the other whether its really true Jesus said its true and these four Evil Spirits have been trying to take over this body ever since I was told that.
Now if you don't like what I'm writing, and if you reject it then you can tell the Jesus who appeared to me in your responses that you think he is nothing but a figment of my Imagination.
If there is Reincarnation how do you know you aren't some of the same Group who Crucified Jesus and betrayed him in that Lifetime?

I'd just like to add to Boltwave's post, this is part of a PM I sent to someone recently.



After reading this through I was tempted to remove some parts (the medication masking part), but after consideration I decided to leave it in it's entirety; mental illness isn't a walk in the park and it's taken me a long haul to get to where I am. I hope that anyone (not aimed at anyone in particular) who is suffering has the strength to take that first step of seeing a doctor, and sticks it out. Believe me the hardship is worth being able to lead a relatively normal life. I still have problems even though I'm medicated, but these are phobic problems that I need to work through that the medication alone won't treat.

I'd like to expand on this in saying that I've noticed a spiritual element to virtually every individual who has been diagnosed as a schizophrenic. With the things I've claimed and the recent letter I sent to the paranormal investigators, I would be given the same diagnosis. A doctor would take one look at my abuse history and remove all doubt of mental wellness. I'm able to function in society, and no one knows any different of my mental state as long as I don't discuss spirituality. It doesn't escape my lips involuntarily, either.

I will be the first to admit that I'm the furthest thing from sane. However, sanity, normality, and perfection are unachievable. I dealt with severe paranoia for approximately a year's time in 1999. People could say "How's it going?" in a monotone style for which I was so well known and I would instantly think they were mocking me. I moved past that phase without medication before it escalated. The attacks of the spirits rendered social engagement less frightening, hence more manageable, and I dealt with the delusions accordingly. By the time I was suffering the nocturnal sleep disturbances, the paranoia was not at issue.

Paranoia is the saddest combination of false pride and misinterpretation in the world. Why do I think it magnifies to the level that it does? Some people experience one or two premonitions or other socially unacceptable psychic phenomena, and suddenly they think they know everything about everything and everyone. An individual looks at the sufferer the wrong way, and it becomes the norm to believe that every citizen is "out to get me". This is usually the point where one loses his job, family, and home.

Some do benefit from medication. I recognize chemical imbalances and their need for medical treatment, but the suffering of the soul cannot be treated with a pill. I've spoken with several people whose doctors increase the doses, but still without benefit. I don't mean for this to make light of the situation at all, as I'm certainly empathetic, and it's aimed at the doctors, not the patients. The doctors who are privy to the lack of improvement on the drug regimen in their patients are basically pouring extra sugar into a gas tank expecting the car to run more smoothly.

On the Dr. Phil show over a month ago, he did a special on schizophrenia. Some of you may have seen this. One young lady he had as a guest was seeing spirits in an awakened state at all times. Their speech was so overpowering that she could not focus significantly on human voices. What she revealed, beyond what I already stated, illustrated the point even further, that there is almost always a spiritual element. Due to the inability to hear her friends and family speak, she adapted through a process known as estheticism.

For some who may not be aware, an esthetic is one who sees more beauty than others via multi-sensory response to a single stimulus. This woman would see words falling from the mouths of those speaking to her, as an adaptation to her form of selective hearing loss. Yes, the words she could not hear were precisely those that fell from the mouth of the speaker. Dr. Phil gave this no merit.

Esthetics have been studied to some extent, and it's common for them to testify to seeing shapes associated with smells or sounds. Not all esthetics are diagnosed schizophrenics. I'm surprised that Dr. Phil met with this patient on such a closed-minded level and did not research the complexity of her background. He's scared, and schizophrenia is good enough for him. To keep with his McSession model, "I want him to get excited about his profession!"

Finally, estheticism is not the equivalent of the conditioned response studied by Pavlov. The dog associated sound with food and salivated; he didn't see food when he heard the sound.

I watch Dr. Phil all the time and just the other day I asked myself what would Dr. Phil think about this situation?
And here you've answered my question and so I don't have to wonder anymore.
Hopefully you don't think you can bring in the Image of Dr. Phil and what he thinks to try to cause me to back down on what is happening to me.
For all I know that woman could actually be having some of the same problems that I am having and she made the mistake of going to a Dr. who is not familiar with these things and he made the same old tired diagnosis.
And it doesn't matter what anyone tells me I know exactly what is happening to me and I just thought I would try to convey some of my experiences to some of the people on here who are beginning to Dabble in the Paranormal and tell them while there is a lot of fun to be had with Spirit communication once in a while you might meet up with a few mean hombres in the Spirit World and they can do a lot of things.
But as far as me emotionally suffering I am not I am only Physically suffering to my body from the attacks they make, and other than that I don't need a Doctor who doesn't believe in Spirit communication to give me a bottle of pills and hope that the pills will zonk me out to the degree that I'll forget I am being attacked by mean Spirits.
If I wanted to dull all of this all I would have to do is down a bottle of Canadian Club or one of those things and I'd pass out and forget it for a time but when I awakened I would not only have a hangover from the booze I'd also still have the pain from the Evil spirits who had attacked my brain alnight.
So you might as well hang up that old chestnut Mental Illness, because for all I know you could have some Possessing Spirits with you who are writing to discredit me to help my three relatives and Dr. P.

Rosemary; that was exactly the point Frank was trying to get across:


None of us on this thread are "against you", we just want to help by considering all the possibilities

Rosemary,

I'd like to make a couple more suggestions to help you, and to help others understand the reality of your situation.

First, when I write to you, the coldness that develops around me becomes a near freezing level. These are breezes blowing from an area surrounded by three walls, and no open windows/doors. Now, I can leap from my chair and run outside in my pajamas screaming that ghosts are in my apartment, or I can sit here and let them do their best to give me the creeps. It doesn't work. They know that. The spirits that I was seeing in the night for six years are still gone, and the breezes typically only affect me when I sit at my computer, writing to you and a few others. Mind you, I'm not even anticipating the breezes.

I know first-hand of the pain that comes from the spiritual attacks: the choking and the stabbing sensations. Sure, it produces a physical form of pain. But the emotional pain is entirely your choice. You have that power to adapt. It is possible to love yourself while you're being choked and stabbed without hating the attacker(s). Truly! Body worship is, in part, why you emphasize your physical pain in such a strong, emotional fashion. That needs to stop.



Every possession movie I've seen thwarts the public's perception of legitimacy back about a century, so I don't suggest the attitude of tolerance toward Hollywood's approach to the supernatural. "Ghost Whisperer" is well done. I'll say that.



The walk-in concept is but one more form of fear-based trickery in possession. The victim is convinced by the mischievous spirit(s) that he/she is a sinner, so the guilt and fear become all-consuming. The body departure doesn't take much convincing for one who has been misguided over the course of his/her life by organized religion. Don't even waste your time worrying about jargon or euphemisms, Rosemary. It's all depression oriented, and they'll use anything they can in the form of negative emotion, whether it be pride, vanity, fear, anger, or hate.

Rosemary,

For your benefit, I'm going to take a break from my conversation with you for a week or so, just to let you absorb what I've been telling you. Your willingness to believe or discredit what I've been recommending is your choice, always.

Please don't let any intuitiveness on my part frighten you. I got in touch with my soul and its power at a very early age due to the need for escape from the physical realm. You may want to read my graphic account of childhood in Boltwave's "Have you ever been possessed?" thread if you haven't already. You may have an epiphany or two about your own childhood. If you don't feel that you're ready to explore that yet, please do wait if necessary.

Empathy among souls should be seen as a beacon/transmitter relationship. It's a symbiosis, and to assume possession for every random or not so random "coincidence" in dealing with sensitives that you meet is not going to fare well in terms of communication effectiveness. I don't doubt that other souls are involved in the process, but telephone lines don't have hidden agendas, and I seriously doubt that the bulk of spirits do. They're us without bodies, that's all.

Sorry to hear about that Bebi, and I didn't mean to offend you or parade on any personal issues, I have one friend of mine that is epileptic and has tourettes syndrome, so no offence or anything on your behalf, I was just referring




Rosemary, I knew somewhat about the paranormal before I came on here, and no for your information I've been looking this stuff up for the past 7 months.

I'm not afraid to go to a spiritual church, it just seems foolish is all, besides I'm already in the process of converting over to Catholicism.


Still, you haven't proven me wrong, and my point still has some validity to it whether you can see it or not, and another thing, for God's sake, see a doctor, you still haven't been able to counteract my most important questions, and by this I can tell you you haven't seen a single therapist or a check up for medical treatment, yet you wonder why me and others are questioning what you've said, you've even said it, priests have turned you down.

Am I sure you have a mental illness? No, I was stating my opinion and why, personally I don't think it's spiritual at all, but I certaintly can't determine the outcome or say that your mentally ill for sure.

I'm going to say this for the last and final time:

YOU CAN'T BE SURE UNLESS YOU'VE ILLIMINATED ALL OTHER POSSIBILITIES!

No offense taken at all I don't mind talking about my experiences. In fact I hope that my posts will give others in similar situations strength knowing that there is light at the end of the tunnel, no matter how bleak things seem.

Yes that's true and don't forget the good thing is that you know it's all in your thinking and not something a bit more scarier if you know what I mean

Heya, im confused about people saying the devil does not exist, i personally do not know but was'nt the serpent depicted as the devil? didnt the serpent tempt eve? didnt god create the temptation, if the devil does not exist and this story is true, god is not true and the story of how it all came about is not true bah. Kinda lost! feel free to correct me

No, the serpent came before the angel of light appeared, it became the devil's sign that he was near but he was originally disguised as an angel of grace, beauty, and loyalty.

When Adam and Eve fell for the temptation of the devil (in other words, words lie ) they lost complete and utter control over his attacks, Satan had gained victory over the world, man became his prey out in the open field.

When this had happened, a plan B was set into place, this was of course Jesus, the son of god. This is why we also refer to Jesus as: "the son of man"

Rosemary believes mainly in ghosts, and not demonic apparations, she believes in the spiritual church and if you've read in her post, has claimed to come in contact with Jesus in the flesh, as well as the creator God, in the form of a man with long white hair and a beard

Of course, the descision to believe this is up to you

And people that aren't Christians may not believe in "the Devil" but may believe in "God" in their own way.

Rosemary.......I know that you say you believe in God, but I wonder if you are aware that in the Bible we are told that we can not look at Him and see His face. Please read Exodus 33:18-23. Until such time as we get to Heaven and become more like Him we won't be shown His face. If someone or something really is appearing to you and telling you he/it is God, then you a