If he is identifying himself as God then he is deceiving you.

Boltwave,

I'm giving Rosemary a much needed break, but this is between you, God, and logic, not you and me.



First, to assume that you know Rosemary's deepest religious beliefs is the sort of omniscience that most would only expect of God. One has so many changes in his/her life that friends and acquaintances never see. For all you know, Rosemary could have seen a statue crying yesterday and, BAM!, changed perspective on her personal struggle, her religion, and the world. This is why it's so prideful and misguided to claim personal awareness of someone else's beliefs.

You can always quote something a person has said in the past to help him/her see any errors in the reasoning, but quoting it in conversation to claim, "Hey, this is what Brian believes.", is downright silly.

Also, do you find it as amusing as your ROFL emoticon that your tactics are that of an average "demon", as you refer to them, when you're planning to join the Catholics as a 'holy' man? Mocking another's pain is not the way of a benevolent guide.

The process of conversion has perhaps been a lifelong journey for you, but some people have an epiphany and convert from atheism, agnosticism, or any of the many religions, to a new one overnight following a dream, or in an instant as a reaction to what they considered a miracle. Or something not so miraculous. You never know.

Before completing your conversion, I'd strongly suggest exploring the apparent fascination for demonology. Ask yourself what may have happened in your life to cause such a unique interest. Finally, look at how harmful the relationship can be between man and the image of God that has been manufactured by the Church.

"God is watching" inspires paranoia, inhibition, and shame.
"God will judge/punish you" magnifies fear, oppressing the human spirit.
"God loves you", while true for any faith in Him to be healthy, in connection with quotes 1 and 2 above amounts to conditional love, which, in the absence of true love, is a common causation for sociopathic behavior.



Look at your quote of Dec. 30, 2005 at 09:21 AM, from the 'Possession vs. Mental Illness' thread in response to my Adam and Eve discussion:

"Yes, I agree with you there, I don't have anything against what you've said there"

My remarks that resulted in this quote follow:

Dec 30 2005, 08:43 AM
"Another issue to explore is God taking a rib from Adam to create Eve. Why, why, why, would an omnipotent Being need to do something so symbolic? He wouldn't. Blinking an eye would be more effort than necessary for an all-powerful Creator to produce human life. It's an insult to believe our Creator would be maiming humans without cause. And why do I think the authors wrote the story in that manner? They wanted women to feel that they are the direct result of men, and are therefore subservient to them."

So, given your own spiritual transformation and modification of faith, are you in the best position to play God in believing that you know the state of Rosemary's faith from day to day when you possess such uncertainty with your own?

I'm not asking that you stop trying to help, but that you consider the credibility and constructiveness that you bring to the table. My supernatural credibility is somewhere beneath the scum that floats upon stagnant ponds, and I've never been happier, so I have to rely mostly on logic and observation these days to illustrate my points. Everything else is "grain of salt" material.


Take it easy,
Brian

I am one of those people! I do not believe in the Bible either as there are too many different "Bibles" in this world which could have been written by someone who is delusional!
I do believe in something but I won't find that out until my death......and I'm in no rush to find out either!

Just my opinion!!!

You have no more proof that he is not God than I can prove to your satisfaction that he is God.
Whomever he is he is a good, kind man and I would work with him forever in Peace if I could only the the other four to leave.
But he isn't the only Guide I work with there are many and all of them are working to transmit good things and its these other thorns in the Side that are causing the trouble.
But like I told these four today I really don't care if they were Chipanzees when they walked the Earth as long as I can prove they are now alive in the Spirit World to prove Life after Death.

Yeah well I agree with earthchick, and I have to say Rosemary, this all makes for an interesting story, probably good enough to produce in Hollywood, CA ( )

What I suggest is just take a rest from this, you are overworking yourself and what you've said so far goes beyond the question of whether it's believable or not, rather, is she suffering from a mental illness, or is she possessed by spirits

Boltwave

You keep writing that I said Jesus appeared to me in the Flesh.
What I said is:
"On May 9, 1986 at 3 a.m. I awakened and was startled to see Jesus walk towards my bed."
I said Jesus then Said you are my Mother from the Holy Land Lifetime and you have returned to Earth at this time to write with Guides to prove Life after Death.
Several Days later I was told by a Guide in the Spirit World that I am a Walk-In and that the Spirit of Mary walked into this body to write with the Guides and teach others about Life after Death as being a reality just as the Bible says.
Most Recently I said Spiritual Writer Ruth Montgomery wrote extensively in a book titled:
"Strangers Among Us" about walk-ins and what they are.
I said perhaps some would like to find the book and read it so they will know what I am saying.,
I can no more prove that I am a Walk-In than I can fly, but I can say that Jesus appeared to me and asked me to work with he and other Guides to convince naysayers like you that he exists in the Universe.
You say I said Jesus appeared to me in the Flesh.
Jesus cannot appear to anyone in the Flesh because he died on the Cross, but he can appear in Spirit Form and appear to be a flesh and blood man because that is what some Spirits can do when they have Great Power in the Spirit World.
Next time you Pray to God and Jesus why don't you tell them the problem you are having believing in what I am writing and see if they will come to you and give you a sign that helps you to cope with this unbelievable Story.
And of course anyone who Prays to God and Jesus can do the same if they so choose.
Lets call that an experiment and see if either of them appear to you as I asked them to do yesterday when I prayed and said:
"What have you gotten me into?
"Will you please appear to some of these people and give them a sign?"

Rosemary, what life after death could you possibly prove? Jesus didn't want to prove anyone with facts that he was real, it took belief, so again by saying that he came to you to prove life after death is impossible without a doubt, and why do you call the Christians on these boards "unbelievers"?

The only reason they don't believe you is because they are for sure certain that you are mentally ill, but no one can make you go to the doctor and find out for yourself, that's up to you.

Jesus can not possibly appear as a spirit after death, because Jesus was risen, alive, and ascended into Heaven as a living being.

So are you implying that you are the reincarnation of the Virgin Mary, mother of Christ?
So why did you say in one of your older threads that the BIBLE was a book of nonsense then?

Amen to that......


a definate Amen to that...

Yeah that's a good point, Rosemary, your story is a little too distorted and your not making sense, please, try to explain your story more clearly, because I'm not the only one going around in circles with your logic

hi my names beth do you know any thing about quji bords cause i got a story that tops all stories and this is very inportant so if you know any thing about then e-mail me at bo0o0kitty7@yahoo.com



thanks alot!!! beth

Beth. Why don't you just start a new thread here and post your Ouija Board story for everyone to read, and give you feedback on it.

Perhaps if I am not making sense this is your problem not mine.
And if the story is distorted perhaps that is because you are not paying attention to what I am saying.
I did not say that I believe I am a Walk-In and the Reincarnation of Mary the Mother of Jesus, what I said is that the Spirits (Discarnates) who appeared to me told me these things.
Words like distorted Stories and Wacko and you saying you are going around in Circles is your problem not mine.
As to the Bible reference made on here is about me telling this Story about Jesus appearing to me and a White Haired man who identified himself as God and you saying this cannot be true.
I said how do you know?
I said that Jesus claimed to be a Channel for God and you believed him.
I also said the Bible is written by men who claimed to be writing the Word of God who to them was a Spirit Speaking to them from the After Life.
Well if you are going to get technical and you are going to doubt what I am saying I want to know why you are not doubting the word of a man called Jesus who claimed to be a channel for God.
And I want you to tell me why you are so sure that the Scribes were channelling for God?
They were Psychic Channels who claim to be writing with a man who claimed to be God.
And you say this is crazy then I think you should be taking a look at how you are beginning to look to me to be so thick headed that you keep misquoting what I am saying.
Now I can't prove that any of these Spirits are who they say they are, all I can say to you is these Spirits appeared and made these statements to me and I am relaying them in a story about my Experiences and I can no more prove that they are who they are than you can prove that I am not telling you the truth.
What I would suggest to you is that you learn how to communicate with Spirit and listen to who they say they are and who they appear to you as and tell the Story to the World and see if there aren't those like you who will keep saying things like you do and see how you like it.
When I began telling this Story I was only telling you about Psychic Experiences I was having.
The Fact is a chipanzee could be talking to me from the Spirit World for all I care as long as he proves that life exists beyond Earth.
All you seem to be focusing on is the name dropping part of this.
You think I am writing the things I am so I can become famous or something, when all I am trying to say is there is life after death and spirits appeared and told me these things.
Is what they are saying true?

How the hell would I know.

All I know for sure is they are alive beyond Earth.

There is a great new Article on the Main Page of UM.

The Power of the Ghost Narrative, by Joe Perez and I think you might find it interesting reading, I know I did.
He is a Paranormal Investigator and he talks about many things of interest to those of us who are interested in learning more about these things.

All we can really go on is trust. We just have to decide if we believe her. I think she may be mentally ill.

I have been paying attention, almost everyone here has, and I'm not the first to say that your story is distorted, others have said it as well.



I find it a bit odd that Jesus would refer to you as the virgin Marry, that sounds a bit deceiving, although I'd bet money on it that it's all in your head and you need to take a rest from proving your story.


Rosemary, have you seen almost every one of your posts, they pretty much quote what I've said that has nothing to do with what your talking about, and if you do read my posts, you are quoting the wrong comments in response to my perspective

I would also like to know how is it possible that you are possessed by spirits when you sit here on the computer communicating to us through the internet, I find that ironic if you will, as why are you spending your time on this forum when you are so badly in need of spiritual help.

Hate to tell you but they are demons. Oh and stop feeling so sorry for them. The acting all scared when you want them to leave crap is a show they are putting on because they know that you can tell them to leave. You have power over them but you choose to give into their lies.

Just a thought on this statement;

Jesus could walk on water, heal the blind, make the infirm walk, turn water to wine and make enough bread and fish for everyone, but "can not possibly appear as a spirit after death"?

EC, I normally agree with what you say, but if he can do all of that, how can you say what HE can or cannot do?

Of course Jesus could appear in spirit form if He so chose........but He can not appear as a spirit from the afterlife, as Rosemary suggested, because He is not dead.

Ok I'll concede to the logic of your point.

exactly.

if what you're telling us is true (and i have some real doubts), they're demons. all of them are demons. you are not posessed by "mr. p" or your family. full stop. no qualifiers. none of them are here to help you. you are being manipulated, and manipulated pretty well from what i can see. you need to wake the **** up and take responsability for getting yourelf out of this. yes, get yourself out. the Lord helps those who help themselves. He won't appear and say "begone, demon" just because you want him too (or not, i'm really not sure you actually want help). He will say just that if you take the initiative and seek Him out. He helps His children. He doesn't just take care of everything so you don't have to be bothered.

now, i'm confused. did Christ appear to you before or after you were posessed? if Christ and God himself appeared to you afterward, why did they not exorcise your posession? did you even ask? and if it was beforehand, why would they not let you know you would have demonic opposition to your mission?

trust me here, please, i very seriously doubt They appeared to you. They were probably more demons setting you up, and if Christ did give you this mission, you're doing a pretty pathetic job at it by letting yourself be swayed and manipulated the way you are.

Job you ain't.

I'm truly sorry if this all sounds harsh, but you really need to see the reality of it, and quickly. Kind words do not lend themselves to that.

I have not taken on the Christians and called them Unbelievers, these are your words and you do this all the time.
You try to win arguments by quoting the bible and focusing on peoples Religious Beliefs.
Again you use the word Mentally Ill, and you do that because you mean to discredit and cause others not to even think that this story might possibly be true and I believe you do that because you have not had the same Psychic Experiences I have and I have the same problem with my sister who says she has been studying Middle Eastern things for years and if this was to happen to someone why didn't it happen to her instead of me and blah blah blah.
I don't know why the Guides appeared to me instead of you and my sister all I know is they did.
Perhaps its because they knew that I would not let people like you and my Sister call names out of an apparent jealousy and I would go right on telling my story to those who want to believe and people who are interested in Learning about the things I am trying to teach them.
I have said repeatedly that this is not about what anyone believes I am just telling the Story about what happened to me as a Psychic Channeller and I have also been trying to make it clear that no matter what anyone believes even if they believe in nothing when you die your Spirit is still going to live on in the After Life.
How do you know how Jesus or anyone else in the Spirit World feels after going through such a traumatic Death all you have to go on is the Jesus who was alive on Earth not the feelings of a Man called Jesus who went through such trauma.
Now the thing is I don't give a dam what you believe in it has no affect on what my Story is trying to convey to the World.
So keep quoting the Scripture if you want to try to win arguments but it proves nothing except that you have nothing to add to this in the way of your own Psychic knowledge so you keep bringing the Scripture and the word Mental illness into this to try to influence others and discredit me.
So I would suggest that you get some Psychic experience under your belt and take that path to trying to discredit me and that goes for anyone else who is trying to discredit me by talking about Mental Illness and blah blah to try to discredit what I am saying.
My Story is true and this is Unexplained Mysteries, One Step Beyond and Believe it or not.
Some things you can not explain to others and the only thing I can say is try to prove me wrong by developing your Psychic Abilities further and prove these things for yourself.

Welcome to UM, and what know you of demons? See my thread, do a search on the search window for preternatural warning, and tell me what know you of demons?

That is your opinion and you cannot prove what you are saying anymore than I can what you are quoting is things you have read which has been written by others.
You cannot discredit me by quoting what someone else wrote or told you because they were writers trying to get a point across and influence others and they were writing about their own experiences.
The Story I am telling is only about my Psychic Experiences that I have personally had which I wanted to share with others who are interested in the paranormal and I have not to ride on the coatail of anything who has written anything in the Past and I am not here to take on the Bible or anyones Religious believes at all I am merely here to tell what happened to me on May 9, 1986 when I awakened to see jesus appear to me and the things that I have dealt with since that day.
Back in the Nineties I visited the Tampa/Clearwater Florida area just before Christmas and suddenly a Vision of Mary appeared on the Glass window of a Building down town which got World attention.
Yes I went to look like all the other Tourists did and I can't see anyway that Picture was put there by anyone.
At the time God told me he had that Image of Mary appear on that Window to help me show the World that although they don't believe Jesus Appeared to me these things do happen to ordinary People if God wants them to.
Now if you don't believe this Story take it up with God.
Ask him to give you a sign and see if anything comes to you.
I know that's what I'd do and I believe a psychic like you could find some proof if they chose to and not keep trying to discredit other Psychics.
God thinks Psychics who do this are mean and Spiteful and he doesn't like these things and by the way neither does Jesus.

Actually Jesus appeared to me after these four began giving me trouble.
Now why he and God haven't exorcised them from my body I have no way of knowing, all I know is I am told to keep right on telling this Story and that's what I'm doing.
What you believe is what you Believe is what you believe and has nothing to do with the Story I am telling because this is my own personal experience just as you personal experiences are yours.
I could tell when I first began reading your posts that you were also a bit of an Expert when it comes to the Paranormal and you know a great deal more about the Bible than I do and you like to use that to win arguments like many others do but the fact it is it has nothing to do with the Story I am telling because I am only trying to write about my own personal experiences.
I believe that people dabbling in the Paranormal should be alerted to the fact that Spirits can come into your life and tell you anything they choose, and appear as anything or anyone they choose to and noone will believe what is happening and if you try to tell them what is happening they say you are insane, or you can just tell the spirits to go away and or God and Jesus will appear and swish they are gone, well I can tell you its not that easy and so for that reason I am telling this Story to tell you Spirits can appear in any form they choose to and tell you anything they choose to do and you cannot sprinkle salt on them or burn Herbs and pray to God to come down here and take them away because it doesn't work that way.
Now before you tell me how to solve this problem and or whether what I say is true or not, why don't you have this happen to you and see how you solve it then you can tell the world how you solved the problem after you have walked a mile in my shoes.

You discredit yourself well enough without any help. Someone just has to read your posts to see that.

Rosemary, could you ask Jesus for next weeks lotto numbers so you can give the winnings to a charity of your choice?
Maybe Jesus can speak to God to make this wish come true!

So now your asking me to try something from your views but yet you reject seeing a psychiatrist?

People doubt you for a good reason Rosemary, and I'm misquoting you? Well, just for the record I think indentifying who your calling "unbelievers" to your story just because it doesn't add up doesn't mean I'm misquoting you.

I shall say this again:

If you are possessed by spirits then why are you waisting your time on the internet?

Perhaps, ladies and gentlemen, we aren't even talking to the real Rosemary, maybe, just maybe, we have been talking to the spirits themselves all along, who have claimed to be Rosemary, in which they twisted the story making it unbelievable

And I say to you evil spirits:

BEGONE EVIL DOCTOR PETAS! THE POWER OF CHRIST COMPELLS YOU ALL!

Hi Rosemary,


I read your post and I understand what you are going through. I can relate. I can only give you a piece of advise because I went through what you are going through. I do not know if anyone has ever told you that what you are experiencing can really stop. Rosemary, for years every night and I mean every single night, there where things torturing me in horrible ways. I fought them, I yelled at them, I did everything that I could do to stop them. With my own stength I couldn't do it Rosemary. I knew from the very moment it started what it was. They were not ghosts. They were not relatives of mine from the grave. They were demons. Demons are real and they might tell you that they are your relatives but they are not. They lie Rosemary all the time. I would pray while it was happening and they would get furious. If I tried to call upon the Lord they would make things worst. You can do two things Rosemary. You can try God's way or not. I am not saying it will be easy and that you won't have to struggle but it will go away if you seek His face. I believe you and all I can tell you is that you are strong enough to break free from those evil spirits. You really are Rosemary. I will be praying for you because I know how it is to look upon a sunset and tremble, knowing that those things are coming for you. at night time. You should never Rosemary feel helpless. Making the right decision is the only thing that will set you free. God bless you Rosemary.

Thank you very much for your kind words.

Now I had said the same thing to you the other day that you were possessed by demons and not ghosts and you had to go argue by saying "these are my relatives and I know this from being a psychic", except it or not Rosemary, your entire story is distorted, others can relate to what you've said because they have gone through many of the same things you've described, but no one on this forum has gone to such extremes to say they have been with "spirit guides" like Albert Einstein

Rosemary, please get something straight, most of us are right on this one when we say you are either plauged by demonic forces or your mentally ill, and I'd suggest you take it into serious consideration to what has been said, not just saying something to make people think your going to go ahead and think about taking an extra step, but actually, make the effort

Boltwave,

You're addressing the spirits directly, now? Didn't you bother reading the conversation between HK and myself in the "Possession vs. Mental Illness" thread after I'd made the same error in judgment?

Rosemary's problem is her lack of happiness. I'm seeing all these posts about demons and all-powerful nonsense that supposedly can't be handled by the individual him/herself. That's ridiculous, and anyone who comes forward with that type of advice is furthering the concept of oppression. I ridded myself of the spirits after 18 straight months of multiple, nightly attacks, alone.

Some people benefit from external intervention because they find joy in the kind words of another, but the joy still arises from within. One cannot make another joyful if that person chooses not to be. Faith and scripture citations are only as powerful as their ability to generate joy during an "exorcism".

You're not helping, and you continue mocking Rosemary's pain. While you may learn a few things by reading testimony from those who have actually dealt with this phenomena directly, I'm fairly confident that anything you say to Rosemary from this day forward will be disregarded.

LifeisGood,

Thank you for joining the discussion. Several of us have been doing our best to help Rosemary through this difficult time in her life. It's gone on for far too long, and while I and a few others, yourself included, know exactly what this is like, the long-term draining of happiness is at the root of the problem.

Becoming out of touch with positive emotions is a pretty common problem for a lot of people in the world. Many are lifetime pessimists, desperately unhappy, and they see only the down side of situations, but they don't experience these phenomena to the degree that a few of us have. It's almost universal that a severe trauma occurred, either a torturous one-time event that replayed in nightmares, years and years of severe emotional, physical and/or sexual abuse, etc.

Dealing with what happened in one's past, having the courage to explore/expunge all of the poisonous thoughts, and eventually finding a way to forgive the perpetrators and love them as God's creations, and, above all, loving oneself, works quite well. It certainly worked for me. Loving, or at least being sympathetic to, the spirits attacking is also an important step. "Demon" is a convenient label, but these are merely people without bodies who are suffering and, thus, behave like childish bullies to compensate for emotional retardation. Please don't lead Rosemary to believe that they're more than they are simply because they lack bodies. I know all too well of the beatings and the rapes, but still could see that these were misguided, suffering human souls, not "demons".

I recently stopped seeing spirits altogether, and had been seeing them for 6 years, every night. I feel them blowing energy against me and tingling me from time to time, especially when I communicate with Rosemary. I cannot let them bother me, and they know that I'm immune to their attempts now. The frequency is diminishing. Either way, no matter.

I can tell that you have the humility necessary to help Rosemary fight this battle. Just try to see beyond the ultimate evil scenario. These are educators who can help us heal, in the broad spectrum, not evil doers, but unfortunately Rosemary has chosen to stay at school indefinitely rather than returning home and dealing with her pain.

How did I know this was the exact answer I would get from saying that? No offence of course, I was just expecting something like this and I thought someone would prove me wrong in response but it seems as if not so

Now about Rosemary, how can anyone believe her story? This is nuts, this is just a story of someone who hasn't gone out and checked for a doctor's opinions and jumps right into conclusions!

I hope people will follow in my foot steps by continuing to ignore what has been said from Rosemary, because some of us obvisouly know where this is going and I for one do not want to feed into this little story because it's not a matter of belief as I've said before.

This has no logical meaning, I don't understand why some people are so easily bought into this because they have been tormented themselves, well, I can tell you, others who have similar problems and I have told about this thread and other posts of Rosemary's have read it for themselves and many of them have concured on the statement that I made about this story being distorted because it is DISTORTED!

Here's my evaluation and definition of the two likely sort of people you may come across, one is a person with spiritual problems who is perfectly rational, two is a person with a mental illness who is delusional and can only think in one way which suits them:

Spiritually afflicted person-illiminates all other possibilities first, does not evaluate the situation as spiritual until all other means are sorted out and no cure is in reach of resolving their problems, they have tried everything and keep a rational and clear mind of where they might be going with things, without religious treatment, they get worse.

Mentally ill person-spouts off at the mouth, claiming to be many things and then all of sudden falling back into an old state of mind or mental thinking, without medical treatment there will be no progressions

And Blah, Blah, Blah.

What kind of a fool are you to write such things?
Are you a rational person to write like this when I have been telling you I have been gathering this Information and these experiences for 20 years now.
Surely even someone you describe as you have been describing me would have grown bored with telling this Story for 20 Years.
What is it with you?
What causes you to attack and try to discredit me like this when you read and quote all sorts of people on the Internet who write things along these lines which you feel is the Gospel truth but all they are is what someone else is writing about their experiences and while I believe a lot of it to be true, you have no more proof that its true than you can prove that what I say is true.
I am hopeful that those seriously interested in learning about the Paranormal, the good and the bad of Spirit Communication don't let someone like you influence them but instead let what I say and what you say encourage them to try to learn the truth for themselves by developing their Psychic Abilities and gather their own experiences and evidence then they can decide just who they believe is telling the truth and who isn't and figure it all out themselves from first hand knowledge.

Jesus doesn't need to speak to God for me I'll do it myself just as everyone does who prays each day.
I don't need a middle man.
And should I win the Lottery I will not do what you suggest but I'll use it to further my own work here as I write with the Guides to try to educate you and others as to the truth about the things I am writing about.

Rosemary,

I'd like to say that you have more insight and strength than many people in this forum have given you credit. So many who believe themselves to have credibility through literacy are clueless on these matters and have no business dispensing coping strategies. I saw a potential benefit in the presence of those who are suffering, transferring pain to illustrate their points (So long as they were true to their technique and not pretending to be benevolent), and while it wouldn't be right to exclude them (As you acknowledged previously with one gentleman where I did not at the time), that form of assistance isn't my style.

At this point, I think that you're well on your way to ending this battle. The cold breezes that had been so persistent when communicating to you are now virtually gone. I hope you find a middle ground very soon that permits both guidance and true happiness.


Best wishes,
Brian

Drawing false and/or hasty conclusions is all part of the learning process. It's up to people like you and me to help others see the other side of the coin in their effort to help themselves. You don't give yourself enough credit. You spout scripture, post exclamations of condemnation, but when that fails you quit and tell Rosemary to see a doctor. I'd entertained similar notions in the past, but that was out of concern for her happiness that I feared she may not have been able to achieve on her own at the time. It was not pride in my faith or my education that she was suffering a mental illness. I can see her making big strides in recent weeks, and I feel that she has all the tools she needs to help herself.

I had the same thing happen with the false conclusions in the heat of my battle. And much more recently to teach a lesson as it happened.

Once again, you have no personal experience with possession. In terms of the guides, I know of premonitions and their legitimacy. As I advised another individual previously, search the background on the woman who inspired the series, "Medium". She has had much of the same emotional turmoil that Rosemary and I have had, but that doesn't mean she's insane, or that a doctor will necessarily be of any help. Consider that psychiatric patients in these situations are placed in therapy for life or institutionalized and heavily medicated when they're not consciously aware of their true circumstances. That's not about recovery or healing, that's about weakness and oppression. Rosemary knows very well what's happening to her, but the stress of what occurs at times can cause errors in judging the intentions of forces we may never fully comrehend. When one's positive emotions have been diminished, he/she may blame external stimuli for that which is ultimately within one's own grasp. I recognize this as par for the course. I wouldn't expect one from your perspective to understand.



You've confused "ignore" with "react". Do you proofread prior to posting?

Now have I ever claimed that the Gospel was the one and only truth?

Would you really like to know what causes me to say these things against your judgement, because your judgement is irrational, it's out of place whether you except it or not, if this was just a lie I wouldn't be alongside others, this is the honest to god truth.

Your story is distorted, psychotic, and whether you or anyone else will except it point being it's not true, we've all had this creative story enough for one day, but it's quite obvious this came from the creative mind and not spiritual afflicitions, and this time, I'm going to state that as a fact.

Rosemary, I fear you are mentally unstable, and I believe that if you can't recognize this, and I take this from what others have told me in their personal opinions, you will require to have someone take you into their care so that you may be later treated and hospitalized.

You have a mental breakdown, that is without a doubt, and if your not going to find help, then someone else will have too, whether you except it or not

Rosemary,

The "relatives" you've stated as doing this to you from beyond?? Think about it....no relative would harm or torture you like this. Demons are notorious for lieing to people and clouding the truth so that what THEY say to you seems to be true. They are clouding your judgement and mind. I also feel though, that you should really seek the help of a doctor because all the things you've stated as happening and or happened to you are clear signs of mental illness. This doesn't mean you'll be discredited for what you've gone through in life. Nor does it mean that your psychic abilities will ever go away. No, it means having peace of mind and peace in your soul that you don't have to deal with the pain all the time of these so called "relatives". You'll be free from the pain of whatever is haunting you. Please think about seeking a professional doctors help on this. I know most of the people your age, my mom being one of them, grew up believing that you don't spread your problems to others and that it's your problem alone to deal with. But I'm here to tell you that's not the case, it's not true. There's a lot of people on these boards, me being one of them, who would love to help you in whatever way we can. There are also tons of resources out there for the choosing as far as doctors go, to help gain some peace in your life from this. Don't take what I've written out of context, as this is the only way I can possibly find at the moment to help you with what you're going through. Please seek medical attention for this first. If it doesn't go away, THEN seek clergy to help you get rid of these malevolent spirits.

Peace and love,
Lillian

Totally agree.

Neither you or Boltwave sounds like you know anything at all about the Supernatural and you are just wandering around in the Dark badmouthing anyone who has more experience than you will ever have unless you decide to learn more about these things than you appear to know at this point in time.
Its apparent that you are just going to continue to insult and defame someone like me who was trying to share some of my Knowledge with those who wanted to learn.
Unless you can show more respect for someone like me who is trying to educate you then stop writing your narrowminded insults to me which I suppose you are doing to discredit me and cause others to follow your lead and not believe.

Lets start with the fact that there is not one shred of hard scientific evidence to prove the supernatural. I for one am not trying to insult. It is obvious that you have some problems and it is not supernatural ones. Say what you will, but don't you wonder why the majority of people think you have some psychological problems instead of paranormal ones.

We're doing this to "discredit" you? To "defame" you? How are you educating anyone with your talk about the spirit realm when you have a serious untreated illness, how's anyone going to take you seriously?

Your posts say enough I'm afraid, ericcraven is right

We're doing this to "discredit" you? To "defame" you? How are you educating anyone with your talk about the spirit realm when you have a serious untreated illness, how's anyone going to take you seriously?

Your posts say enough I'm afraid, ericcraven is right

Personally I feel if neither one of you is a psychiatrist you are not qualified to determine anyone's psychological mental state. Even a psychiatrist would not diagnose a person just by reading their postings on a web forum site. Although it may be out of concern for her it appears you are not helping her but hurting her.

Rosemary if anyone here gets you mad or won't stop telling you to seek medical help just do not respond them but to those whom are showing you respect for your knowledge. I hope that I have not in turn hurt your feelings for believe in showing every one respect and that also goes for boltwave and ericraven2003 as well. I have not meant to insult you both nor show disrepect for you. My apologies to anyone whom I feel that I was rude.

My post wasn't meant to hurt anyone's feelings either. Rosemary's OR anyone else's. I can say, however, that there's people here whose only aim is to hurt someone's feelings. I agree with you on this one!

[quote name='Ancestralbone' date='Jan 15 2006, 04:14 PM' post='1022904']
[color=#3333FF][size=3][font=Comic Sans Ms]Personally I feel if neither one of you is a psychiatrist you are not qualified to determine anyone's psychological mental state. Even a psychiatrist would not diagnose a person just by reading their postings on a web forum site. Although it may be out of concern for her it appears you are not helping her but hurting her.

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It doesn't take a medical professional to realize that some one who is hearing and talking to voices has a problem.

Now how about getting back on topic and off of Rosemary. Spirit possessions is the subject here and I for one would like to hear more about it then your quibble with others. I for one believe that spirits can possess a person and spirits are both good/bad for that is a part of the balance of life. Demons are a different story for me because I do not believe they truly exist based on statements of people whom say they are very deceitful. Humans are just a deceitful as anyone or anything so how can we say for sure demons are not really deceitful humans whom even in death stayed just as deceitful when they were alive.

Yes it does because you cannot base your own experience's onto another person. You have had your own personal experience with voices but it is still much different then someone else's who has the same experience. I am sorry but you are qualified to determine someone's mental state nor am I.

How can you believe in possessions if you don't believe in demons too? If you look back at any posts or response I've made to Rosemary, I have not once put her or anyone down. The other two morons that posted before me are a different story however. There are hurtful people on this board and on the web in general. That's a fact of life. Next subject please.

Rosemary, my thoughts and prayers are with you hun.