Actually, when I was a nurse about 10 years ago I did rotations through the mental ward. People sounded alot like her posts. If you don't see something wrong, then you must be out there.

I do not think you put Rosemary down and sorry that I may have implied it. One I feel spirits and believe that spirits can possess people. I have not seen nor experienced a demon and that is why I do not believe in them nor in a devil. I have however experienced spirits that are not good ones and bad ones that can do harm. This is a personal belief that is based on personal experience. Now, if there was a way to prove or disprove my belief I am open to it. Again my apologies to you.

Thanks for the compliment. What does that make you?

You did not mention you worked there so how was I supposed to know you had some experience with patients? Do you see what I mean just by reading your posts I felt you had no medical experience at all. Still a doctor saw those patient and made the diagnose's and I have worked with both Alzhiemers and Parkinson patients both have very similar symptoms and is hard to diagnose. I am trying to say when it comes the mental state of a person it is very difficult to diagnose. Have you asked Rosemary if she has ever seen help? My gift allows me to know that a person will lose a leg before the doctor will and that does not mean I know more then a doctor. In fact I did that with my sister three days before she ended up in the hospital not a feeling that one is sane. I just try to be open minded about things and to make a diagnose's on anything without having them seek a doctors help.

Wow, I've been insulted, wouldn't have been the first time in my life and I'm guessing not the last

Hi Tahari01,

I take it you've never met my mother? Go visit Boltwave's "Have you ever been possessed...?" thread if you have any doubt as to how family attempt to harm one another. There's more than one story in that thread to illustrate the pain in some family ties, and the suffering doesn't end without effort on the part of the soul. Decomposition of the body is irrelevant. You've seen here how those who are confused and suffering take warped pleasure in the suffering of others. Those are garden-variety "demons".

You don't come from an abusive family do you? Physical? Emotional? Incest? I assume that you do not.


Take care,
Brian

FrankBlunt,


I can't see where having a knowledge of ghosts is relevant when it comes to family personal and social problems, I don't even find it neccesary to determine that demons do not exist on such a ground, and that, in fact, it is all about ghosts.

I know you have had a hard life, but exorcism is more serious than what you take it as, it's not always about man's will power, or man's struggle against the world as you make it, I can base my experience with others who have had a horrible past with their families, they don't believe in god for many reasons, or they reject many of the things that in fact do not come from just will power for yourself.

Take care FrankBlunt, I wish you the best

I come from a horrible past but I do believe in a higher being but in my experience you cannot label everyone the same. I found my faith because of the path I walked and I do not believe in a devil or demons. Life has always been balanced with two sides to everything.

Thank you, Boltwave. As always, I respect you as I do all others in God's creation. However, if you had any first-hand experience in ridding oneself of possessing spirits, you would realize not only that family struggles and the depression that often arises is intimately tied to the phenomenon, but that one cannot afford to take these matters as seriously as you do if he/she is to triumph in the battle. Laughter is very good medicine. This is from personal experience, not readings or conversations with self admitted "experts".

The maternal and paternal sides of my family have had karma issues for at least the past four generations. So if you can't see the link between the century or more of paranormality in my family and the victimization that has occurred in life and beyond, I don't know what else to tell you. This is nothing I can prove to you, but with all of these children who grow out of their relationships with those many consider "demons" (Some call them imaginary friends) without harmful incident, it should be quite obvious that external assistance is unnecessary. Go back and read my input on the "Ghost and Puberty" thread again and again until the demystification of possession sinks in.

Ghost and Puberty
http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...15&#entry995711

Spirits are humans without bodies, nothing more. I don't know how many times I have to repeat that.


Take care,
Brian

That's just it, there's a devil but also a GOD. When I first heard of demonic possession, I thought that the person was beyond salvation or cleansing, until I heard the word "exorcism" did I truly begin to think about the devil, get where I'm going?

No, who said that there has to be a being of Evil in order for Evil to exist? If we are all created with the good and bad then why cannot God be so too? I am saying that God is evil but saying that we may needed to have the bad to be a balanced human being. We do just fine on being evil all on our we do not need influence of a devil for us to take a human life. If there is a Devil I surly would not feed him with faith in his existence.

Yes, she has seen one doctor who also happened to treat one of her possessing spirits. (apologies for all the quotes, I'm trying to make it as comprehensive as possible to save you finding it yourself I've added the page numbers so you can find the originals if you wish)

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Many Psychic Channellers like me and the one that Medium and Ghost Whisperer and many others are based on have all the proof they need.

I don't doubt that the ones who are saying these things truly believe what they are saying and that's because they lack the experiences that I have had and that is one of the reasons I am trying to tell others about it in an effort to help others understand what can happen if you blindly dabble in things you don't understand.

I know what I'm saying is very frightening to some and its easier for them to disbelieve than it is to face the fact that this can really happen to almost anyone if there is a Spirit Beyond the Veil of Death who has a grudge against us for whatever reason.

Recently I was reading a closed thread that someone started in May in which he tried to tell a Story about what was happening to him which I felt was a possession, several people made a remark, and then they closed the Thread and the fact that this thread is still open and many people are kicking this back and fourth gives me hope that many people do want to learn the real truth about the Spirit World and life after Death.

What we have to understand is that everyone who dies does not go peacefully and its possible that people who died a traumatic, violent death and or who does not want to be there could very well come back here and try to take over a body, and I am writing about what happened to me because I don't believe these mean, spiteful Spirits can kill a person or take over their bodies at all and I think the books written about Walk-In's and things like that may have just been an idea to sell more books but of course I have no proof of that but I personally believe it is that book and what some of the Spirits told me that enabled these four to crawl into my body and try to take over my body which you can see was an impossible feat.

This is why I am trying to force Eve, Carrie, George and Dr,. P. out and if Dr. P. doesn't take them and get out I am going to try to put him on the Map and make him as famous as the Demons in the Amityville Horror or the Exorcist movie and hopefully soon someone like Steven Spielberg or Ron Howard reads this and comes to my rescue and gives Dr. P. all the attention he wants.
But even as I say that I want everyone to know everything I write here is the absolute truth and when this all began I never set out to write the things I am now but for God's sake someone has to believe me soon.
And in closing all I can say is:

" Believe it or not?
" One Step Beyond... and Unexplained Mysteries."

Rosemary,

As I said just a few posts ago, I feel that you're getting on the right track. I have the experience to detect the progress, but please acknowledge yourself, and put yourself on the map of positive thinking. Any public attention you give to these spirits will only encourage them to stay longer. The hope of having a movie created based upon them is pride and vanity based, not love based.

If you're willing to show love for them in order to heal yourself and send them away, that must be personal. Remember, love from you strengthens you and remains with you. It can't be given away. That's a misconception. We fall in love with ourselves when in the company of particular people who have a positive affect on our lives. They don't give us love. Affection and sex can be given, but not love. Hate is self-destructive and, just like love, has no affect on the one being hated unless he/she feels deserving of being hated. We own our emotions whether we choose to accept it or not.

And you don't have to love them if that's not your wish. Showing sympathy or simply ignoring them will inspire them to find easier targets that produce the strong, negative emotion upon which they feed. Negative emotion is the chum in the ocean of depression, and sharks are keen on the smell of blood. Emotionally unstable spirits are opportunists in the same manner.

I have tried all of those things and it doesn't work.
The body they are inflicting pain against is my body, but I am not the whole problem in this situation.

The thing they are reacting to is a Spirit who wrote through Spiritual Writer Ruth Montgomery who wrote when Spirits become so Evil they can't be rehabilitated they are destroyed.

The same thing was written through me and now these Spirits are challenging that Spirit to prove he has the power to destroy them.

He then said he can't destroy them while they are sitting so close to my brain and heart because to do so might kill my body and force my own Spirit out.

After the mean way they have behaved they are afraid to leave my body and therein lays the problem I am having.

I am at the time trying to tell them they have absolutely no proof that another Spirit has the Power to destroy them but on the other hand we have no proof that he can't.

That Spirit said he will destroy them only if they are inside my body when it dies and so they thought well, we don't know whether he can do it or not and so why not just cause as much trouble as we can to destroy their work and take our chances when we leave the body after death.

And that's what this is all about.

Talking about them making me a Movie Star is just an effort to get them out by telling them if they don't leave this might happen and I have hoped my telling them this would cause them to try to negotiate a way out.

Of the therapists with whom I attempted to deal, I only found two who were comfortable in their own skin, generally content, and willing to express emotions without shame. The first one tried to sell me a book regarding energy healing, and selling literature during therapy in this electronic age a pet peeve of mine. The gentleman she referred me to had a hang up with the significance of chakras, something I've always seen as figurative as opposed to literal. The location of chakras have been linked to the endocrine glands in some circles.

This therapist also had a moderate case of OCD in his frequent worry over whether or not the door was closed. His compensatory intellectualism was also problematic. I don't know if this has become a buzz word or not from my mention of it in the past, but I define compensatory intellectualism as the overly academic vocabulary and spouting of factoids to impress others in the absence of one's ability or willingness to express genuine concern for them. I had a touch of this myself throughout my education, but I'm not a therapist, am I?

Many therapists are abuse survivors with some degree of emotional pain, and it's not that I'm unsympathetic to their struggle; it's the motives for becoming therapists that I question. I think of it in terms of the drug abusers who reform and gain a foothold in the occupation of motivational speaking. Do these former addicts shoot up or snort during the speeches? Not from what I've seen. The emotional disorders in a therapist are as beneficial to the patients as that motivational speaker toking on a crack pipe during the lecture while preaching against the high life. So, are the therapists in this to feel well and elevate themselves, hoping for the worst case scenarios to render them "normal"?

When my asthma was misdiagnosed as panic disorder and remained undiagnosed for two years between '97 and '99, it led to panic disorder due to the fear of wondering what was really wrong and when I was going to die. Anyway, I'd been placed in group therapy. One of the LCSWs asked if anyone had ever experienced the out of body phenomenon. I admitted that I had, and she and I exchanged a pleasant smile. We both agreed that it can be a fun and thrilling experience. Keep in mind, this was a therapist at an accredited HMO. This happened to be a team effort, and her co-worker's demeanor soured upon hearing and seeing this exchange. But the fun didn't stop there. The woman who soured, Lynn, quickly remarked on a hypothetical individual who exactly matched my personality as I'd described in my recent one-on-one with her. She described the man as a poor sap without any friends, rather cynically. Entirely unprovoked, and I'd never spoken against Lynn in any way. I'm not judging her orientation, but let's just say that the one I communed with was quite comely, and that Lynn had a certain look about her and fit all the stereotypes in the way that she carried and presented herself. What do I think? Lynn had an attraction to her co-worker and felt threatened by the intimacy. Nothing wrong with that, totally normal, but once again, therapy may not be her best field if she's suffering to an extent that she's belittling patients out of jealousy.

I attended an ASCA group (Adult Survivors of Child Abuse) back in 2001. The therapist, Darlene, was a trainee, and she never had any supervision by superiors to chart her progress or verify her professionalism. Darlene constantly reminded us that she'd been through it all: emotional, physical, and sexual. She restated it all the time, and we were all good listeners, so it got annoying after the first 10 mentions. When I demonstrated my healing ability for a couple of the group members and talked of my battles with spirits, the therapist felt threatened by the idea of someone else having a fourth form of suffering that she did not: spiritual. It wasn't new information for her, and she was fairly open minded. Pride of conquering everything was her deal.

One of the women had had encounters similar to my own, but had been persistently misinformed by therapists over the years and developed social phobia. Speaking of women, there was a larger issue at work: breaking up the group. Darlene had offended two of the group members during one session that I did not attend. The man never returned, and Darlene made no effort to bring him back. However, she told us it was her job to do her best to bring back the woman who had been offended. At one point, any time a man in the group tried to speak, we'd be cut off after 30 seconds, and this is after being allowed to speak. New female members would come and go, and every time Darlene would ask us, the men, how we felt about the women feeling threatened by masculinity. That wasn't the problem of the men that any women weren't ready to seek healing in front of them. One of my buddies summed it up fairly well: "That's their sh--, not mine." My buddy was told that he was no longer safe, and was ejected from the group without just cause. He testified to feeling "emotionally raped". I felt quite similar during that very difficult time in my life.

So what was the final result. My buddy and I filed informal complaints regarding the anti-therapy that was occurring, the center lost its ASCA affiliation, and the therapist continues to work in, lo and behold, a women's group. They basically admitted that she needed healing, but rather than deal with it effectively, they decided that taking men out of her equation was a cheaper solution. Darlene also possessed many of the same stereotypical attributes of Lynn. No problem, just stay out of the therapy business if your issues get in the way of healing patients.

This was not blunt, merely frank. Please accept my apologies. However, consider strongly what you may be recommending when you blindly advise someone to seek therapy.

Brian

i agree why would your own relatives want to hurt you unless you wher the one who kinda pushed them towards death

Vergel,

You've made a valid point, but think of it in a broader sense as it relates to reincarnation. Had I not made efforts to heal from what happened with my mother in this life, I might have otherwise retaliated in a subsequent life. I still have some residual pain for what happened, but I love her and myself enough not to cause her further harm. I only love her in the "One must love all of God's souls" sense, not as a mother. I've sent her many of my thoughts on childhood events, and she has not responded. I take that as a good sign of her stepping toward recovery. It wasn't my goal to invoke a response.

My brother has little hope with the severity of his denial, but he is desperately unhappy and may very well seek retribution in his next life, just as his son may do so against him down the road for the emotional abuse. Most of this is on a completely unconscious level because so few of us have recollection of past lives. Our souls have knowledge within that brains ignore until one is ready to learn.


Regards,
Brian

Brian,

You assume very wrong. When I said that, I meant when they are dead. Yes the memories of what the relative did to you while they were alive can scar you emotionally for a long time. I have had very bad things happen to me and around me growing up. Please don't presume you know what kind of life I had growing up, when you don't. It was a very abusive one. Lots of therapy has helped me deal with my past and what I went through though.

Have a good day...

I apologize for insulting you. You have some very good comments on the boards. I just didn't feel like you were very polite to Rosemary is all. Again, my apologies to you boltwave.

It doesn't make me a moron who doesn't know when to put a cork in it eric. Really, it's one thing to ask a person to consider getting medical and/or clergy help for what they're going through. It is an entire different thing to keep going on and on about how nuts the person is for having this stuff happen to them...as you've been doing to Rosemary. Grow up.

Rosemary,

Souls are eternal, so how could they ever be destroyed? You're right, we have no proof one way or the other, but I can at least say from my experience that you must, at the very least, ignore them to lead them toward an easier target. If you stop treating them like family and fail to accept the burden of their problems, they will cease to be family. Despite the legitimate pain you're feeling during the attacks, your reaction to that pain is a choice. Meditation may help you to eliminate the instiinctive stimulus/response relationship most feel is unavoidable with pain.

You have the power to numb your entire body via meditation, and to let the pain slide as opposed to feeling hurt by it emotionally in times when you do feel the sensation of it. Major surgeries involving an open chest cavity have been performed on people without any anesthetic, local nor general, who can achieve this state of meditation. There's a story of an FBI agent who had been shot so many times during a gun battle that he should have died minutes prior to his eventual death. The persistence and belief in protecting the innocent was that strong. This is a sort of waking meditation that's possible when not relaxed.



They want attention of any kind from you, Rosemary. You're not going to embarrass them by having a movie produced. You only remove more and more perception of control in your life each time you acknowledge them, on any level. The bulk of the population thinks this is all sci-fi fantasy, and that's all due to Hollywood's warped, exaggerated scripts and screenplays. You won't legitimize this or bring any peace to yourself by approaching Hollywood.

Tahari01,

I agree. My questions, while based on assumption and not perception of fact, could have been worded more effectively and appropriately. I do apologize. Sometimes, I get sidetracked in my efforts to keep things professional in working with Rosemary, correcting misconceptions and such, but any nastiness that may have come across was not intended.

Take care,
Brian

Feeding her delusions doesn't help either. My cork fell out along time ago when I got married. I always say what I think.

Thank you Bebi for answering my questions and pointing me to the posts.

As I said before I am not delusional, you are just not as informed about these things as I am.

There are many Knowledgeable people on the Internet who know exactly what they are saying in many cases.

Hopefully you don't have any departed relatives or associates who would like to come back and prove the truth because with the attitude you have I am surprised if you don't a few problems yourself that no one knows about.

What surprises me to no end is that you have a wife past or present with your attitude.
I have a few vocal and uninformed friends and acquaintenances and some Relatives who have your attitude but I am not going to let anyone of you keep trying to prove that I don't know what I am talking about.

Thank God there are many other Psychic Channellers out there who do know the truth about the After Life but some of them haven't experienced the things I have because in their case they probably don't have the same kinds of the Relatives as I have, and Dr. P. who came back to try to destroy my work because of the Information the Guides on a Higher Realm were giving me.

This morning one of the Guides asked me to go into the Vital Statistic Records and prove to Dr. P. that his wife passed over in l999 and his son in October of this year and he needs to go find them in the Spirit World and get away from my three relatives who have been leading him down the path to Hell? since l985 when he passed over.

Yesterday I suggested to my relatives that if they want to be teachers they should leave my body and go become teachers of the Universe and I will write everything that the Guides tell me about their travels around the World and the reaction they get from anyone whose life they touch.

This of course is all to be a part of Paranormal Research and I am hoping this will get them excited enough to leave me alone to write with the Guides who want to write in a better way.

Stergio could gather his departed realtives up in the Spirit World and they can all revisit his homeland which is Greece and see if this doesn't make him feel better.

According to the records I found the family migrated to the U.S. in the 18 hundreds and settled in the Boston Area and finally he migrated here to Toledo to take up Residence at a Local Hospital where he worked until l985 when he passed over at the age of 59.

Since he passed over in l985 two of Dr. P. grandsons have become Dr's, like their father and another one I see in the future who is named after Dr. P. will become a Doctor if he continues with the plans he has at this time.

The Guides say he wants to become a Dr. like his Grandfather whom he is named for.

I think for all these Reasons that Dr. P. should consider his plans and become what he was in l985 before he met my three Relatives in the after Life who helped him to adjust to his life there and this is what happened to him.

He arrived in the Spirit World suddenly and began to blame God because he took him at the age of 59 just before Retirement and before he could live the quite life and enjoy his family the way he had expected to do.

Then one of the Guides began to do Medical Writing through me such as how to prevent Heart Attacks and what vitamins for a Particular Body type can help you live longer and this got Dr. P really angry ane he demanded to know why God didn't tell him how to Prevent a Heart Attack.

I said perhaps he didn't listen when he got thoughts and hunches from the Spirit World and I reminded him back before he died when I dropped in on him a fter I returned from Florida that I took a look at his face and asked him if he had Heart and Circulation problems and I based that on the Ashen look of his Skin.

At the time he got very angry at me and said no I don't have a Heart problem I just had Brain Surgery this year after a fall from a ladder.

One night one of the Guides showed me a look into the past and I saw Dr. P. standing beside his desk and he picked a gun up from the desk put it to his head and pulled the trigger.

Stergio said that's a damned lie he didn't shoot himself he fell off a ladder and landed on his head.

Unless I can get a copy of his medical records I have no idea who is right Dr. P. or the Guides who looks into the past.

Another long entry I know but someone in the Spirit World thinks I should keep explaining what happened here so we can continue to try to talk Dr. P. out of my body and better adjusted to his life in the Spirit World so bear with me.

Hello, Rosemary,

I realized that it was a rather incomplete thought for me to suggest meditation without providing a technique that has served me well over the years. I'm not sure if you've meditated before, but this method goes beyond the stereotypical idea of sitting with one's legs crossed, thumbs and fore-fingers connected, uttering, "Ohm, ohm..." That may be effective in its own way for some, but talk is cheap, especially words like 'ohm'.

Below is the method I've used, and others, in addition to Rosemary, may also want to try it. People have been taught to fear meditation because of the "idle hands..." proverb. Oh well. They don't know what they're missing.

Allow at least 30 minutes for this, but doing it as sleepiness approaches works well for those on a tight schedule. For any injuries you may have suffered that would lead to pain, or if you have some other form of disability, skip the body parts relevant to your personal situation.

1. Lie down on your back on a comfortable surface (Bed, soft couch, etc.)
2. Place your arms at your sides
3. Curl your toes downward until you feel a minor burning, but not to the extent that it hurts
4. Hold for a count of 10 seconds
5. Relax, and rest for a count of 10
[Follow steps 4 and 5 for each muscle group; achieving the burning sensation without pain also applies]
6. Curl your toes upward
7. Flex your calves
8. " " thigh muscles
9. " " buttocks
10. " " abs
11. " " pectorals
12. Make fists while simultaneously flexing your biceps and forearms
13. Close your eyes tightly

Lie in place for whatever length of time you wish, or simply go to sleep if you're tired. You may notice a lack of sensation to much of your body. If at any time you have worries of circulation loss to a limb, send a nerve impulse to manipulate it and you'll find that you have full use of it without tingling. This assumes that your health is in good standing and that your limb is not pinned under your chest or stomach.

I've only dealt with the physical side of meditation. The mental aspect of 'failing to dwell' is more difficult for most to accomplish. However, the physical is still important, especially when one is trying to cope with beatings that can't be prevented by law enforcement.

Since this discussion often deviates from possession to mental illness, I wanted to explore further the problems that often exist in the therapists who label many of us mentally ill.

Sorry, but I'll have to pick on Dr. Phil once more on the grounds of his celebrity. Please be aware that he has some wonderful insight, and he helps many, many people modify their reactions to stimuli and ultimately their behavior. 90% of the time, I agree with his advice wholeheartedly. It's the 10%, and his own personal problems he minimizes with which I take issue. The Oprah-esque game show give-aways aren't healthy either, and he should know better than to enable greed and co-dependency.

In a national television interview many months ago, Dr. Phil admitted to undergoing a vasectomy without conferring with his wife, who, as it happened, desired another child. Whoops! We all make errors in judgment throughout life, and I sympathize with whatever emotional trauma or marital communication problems led him to have elective reproductive surgery without spousal involvement. That's one heck of a surprise, but thankfully he had it successfully reversed. Another child was born. I'm happy for the family.

Another statement he made in the network broadcast was troubling to me. I can't quote exactly, however I will not warp the meaning or sentiment in any way. Dr. Phil remarked that he would rather have root canal work done than attend a cocktail party. His rationale was that he prefers structured environments. So I'm to assume that he doesn't enjoy meeting strangers in people's homes with the goal of learning about them, and possibly becoming friends and loving them? Hmm... Major dental work as an alternative to meeting new and exciting people may point to some form of masochism, not to mention social phobia.

Dr. Phil is on stage, on television, in front of millions of people, so social phobia seems outlandish, but I used to dance at night clubs in uncoordinated leisure suits to overcome my extreme shyness while I was in my first two years of college. If you fear that everyone is watching you and judging you, plop yourself into a situation where you know they're all going to be watching and judging you. It's entertaining for everyone in attendance, and therapeutic for you. I don't doubt for one second that Dr. Phil strove to attain celebrity status as a means of coping with his shyness.

My advice: If you decide therapy is for you, ask your therapist how he spends leisure time. Ask how he generates happiness. Confirm for yourself through the testimony whether or not the therapist is generally happy. If the therapist refuses to answer these questions or fails to meet your standards, continue your search until you can find one who does. A therapist with a book-oriented approach who lacks emotional response to your testimony is not likely to have a positive affect on you.

The professional detachment that's encouraged throughout their education is fear-based. One who understands the properties of empathy can listen, achieve attachment, and cry with you without depleting his own positive, emotional state.

[quote name='FrankBlunt' date='Jan 18 2006, 12:22 AM' post='1026237']
Hello, Rosemary,

I realized that it was a rather incomplete thought for me to suggest meditation without providing a technique that has served me well over the years. I'm not sure if you've meditated before, but this method goes beyond the stereotypical idea of sitting with one's legs crossed, thumbs and fore-fingers connected, uttering, "Ohm, ohm..." That may be effective in its own way for some, but talk is cheap, especially words like 'ohm'.

Below is the method I've used, and others, in addition to Rosemary, may also want to try it. People have been taught to fear meditation because of the "idle hands..." proverb. Oh well. They don't know what they're missing.

Allow at least 30 minutes for this, but doing it as sleepiness approaches works well for those on a tight schedule. For any injuries you may have suffered that would lead to pain, or if you have some other form of disability, skip the body parts relevant to your personal situation.

1. Lie down on your back on a comfortable surface (Bed, soft couch, etc.)
2. Place your arms at your sides
3. Curl your toes downward until you feel a minor burning, but not to the extent that it hurts
4. Hold for a count of 10 seconds
5. Relax, and rest for a count of 10
[Follow steps 4 and 5 for each muscle group; achieving the burning sensation without pain also applies]
6. Curl your toes upward
7. Flex your calves
8. " " thigh muscles
9. " " buttocks
10. " " abs
11. " " pectorals
12. Make fists while simultaneously flexing your biceps and forearms
13. Close your eyes tightly

Lie in place for whatever length of time you wish, or simply go to sleep if you're tired. You may notice a lack of sensation to much of your body. If at any time you have worries of circulation loss to a limb, send a nerve impulse to manipulate it and you'll find that you have full use of it without tingling. This assumes that your health is in good standing and that your limb is not pinned under your chest or stomach.

I've only dealt with the physical side of meditation. The mental aspect of 'failing to dwell' is more difficult for most to accomplish. However, the physical is still important, especially when one is trying to cope with beatings that can't be prevented by law enforcement.
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Thank you.

I have a good tip for helping to calm yourself (not full meditation, although it can be incorporated into it)

When you breathe in imagine the air entering you is a pale blue colour and as it goes into your lungs it is calming you. On the exhale imagine the air is coloured red and contains all your stress. Breathe slowly and calmly while visualising this.

After practice this technique can be used any time you feel stressed; in public or alone. I often have panic attacks when out and this has been invaluable for helping to ward them off.

If they truly are your reletives tell them, dont ask them to leave ! this is your body ! your soul ! not theres, deamons could be the case..a loving mother or father wouldent torment you like this, but you never know...such things man cannot comprehend, spirit world..i wonder...is it nice to all ?

Thank You.

Rosemary, i apologize if i come off sounding rude, but not many people are going to take you very seriously unless you provide some sort of proof that spirits are inhabiting your body. i know you'll probably say that you don't care if people believe you or not, but if you really didn't care, you wouldn't post on here all the time about your experiences. i for one am very interested in your experiences, but i'll never truly think they're credible at all without some form of proof. i just hate to see someone who may really have a credible experience get cast aside as being a "phony" by skeptics because they don't provide proof. beyond that, i wish the best of luck to you and your situation.

I really don't know how I can prove they are here since no one can see a Spirit unless they want them to.
In the future I do hope to get some sort of proof when some Paranormal Investigators come to my home with equipment and there will be several psychics who should be able to detect the Presence of these Spirits.
I had a phone call today and we have a tentative appointment for Early February then I will see what they can do to help me detect these Spirits and hopefully offer some proof to someone.
I am assuming that they might use some of the Material they gather to promote their work.

Or they may confront you with questions to answers you don't have Rosemary, have you thought of that? If this is all real, at least provide some medical background into it, if you have some, please refer these things so that we may not assume so easily that this in fact a mental illness.

I don't want to jump to conclusions, but it seems like this is pretty mental as far as I'm concerned in many instances, and I fear you will be left in the dust by these investigators who may look to the medical aspects first, and unless you have the papers that you visited a doctor and or a psychiatrist, and indeed the therapuetic attempt or medicine had failed in curing you of your problems, they will not validate it, and you will be left alone with no means of support.

Please tell me you've seen a doctor, if you haven't, like I said, you need to visit one now, and if you don't, well, let's just say it's going to be a hard road for someone making a claim of spiritual possession taking place, within themselves.

"Well my relatives said this is not true that no one can Destroy them, and they said they are going to prove it, and said, until a Higher Power proves one way or the other that he can destroy them they will sit inside my body and do this to me."

A spirit cannot be destroyed any more than matter can be destroyed. A spirit is in the form (shape) of a human with define shape boundaries: they can't be like Mr. Fantastic. These spirits are evil, and while they can state truth they will state lies and lead you astray and away from God.

There is a solution for people who behave in the manner you've described.

If someone's posts bother you that much, put them on ignore, don't go reading their posts. I gave up on even attempting to help certain people, and then there're people who are rude for the sake of being rude. Let it go, realize that you cannot help those people who don't want help. RM doesn't want help, she wants to relate a story. (picture that! Me of all people defending RM) Just let her do her thing, say what she wants to say and post what she wants to post. If you don't like what she's saying, then don't read it. It's not that hard. each time I come on here, I decide whether or not I want to read what's been posted on this specific thread or not. Some nights I do, most I don't. All I'm saying is this, if RM is crazy, then let her be crazy, if she's happy that way, then let her be. Maybe she's not crazy and we all are. To sit here and type over and over, go see a Dr., or go to a priest, you're just wasting your time.

Boltwave if you read a few posts back you would have seen Bebi directed a posting of Rosemary stating she's already seen a doctor. Can't we please get back on topic?

We have already settled those issues to their Satisfaction.

I think what you will learn as time goes on is that you and others who don't believe my story are wrong and its because you have no experience in these things but hopefully as time goes on you will gain more experience which will let you believe.

I would like to recommend a web site which is quite interesting.

http://www.rte.ie/tv/latelate/

This is a talk show in Ireland which had two exorcists on last week who are Priests and one is a Psychiatrist.

The video is almost 20 minutes long but well worth the time spent listening to it because the Priests talk about documented cases which proves sometimes its relatives who are around or inhabitating the body of the Possessed.

I have no problem and I have no doubts that the Paranormal Investigators which include a Demonologist and several Psychics who are traveling some distance to participate in this will have some answers.

You are the one with a Problem and I don't appreciate someone who is so inexperienced as you keep referring to me as mentally ill just because you are a doubting Thomas.

I do however understand the problem you and some others are having in believing such spectacular Psychic things are happening to me but take my word for it its all real.

As I told you these four Spirits are causing trouble but I have many other friends in the Spirit World who are keeping me strong and helping me tell my story to hopefully convince nonbelievers this is true and we will see what the Paranormal Investigators can come up with to help you believe in the future.

Thanks Ed. I had no idea (really, I honestly didn't), that you could put someone on ignore here. I'm learning how to do that now. And Rosemary, I hope the people coming to your home in February helps you get proof and peace of mind on this situation.

Thank you.
I like many of your posts and I know from reading what you write that you have a lot of knowledge about the Paranormal but still you have a lot of trouble believing what I write and I am not sure why that is since you say you believe in possessions.

What is it about this case that gives you such trouble believing?

Is it because I say the four Spirits inhabiting my body are three relatives and a man I knew before he died?

Is it because you believe that Spirits don't actually enter Human bodies?

The other day Bogeyman told us about a Late show in Ireland which featured two Priests one a Psychaitrist that does Exorcisms.

I visited that website and listened to the Video which ran for about 20 minutes and I thought it was the most interesting thing I have ever seen or heard on this subject because the Exorcists tell about cases and they state that many times its relatives and or aquaintances who are doing this to people like me.

I think if you visit this site and listen to what these priests say about their experiences with these situations that you will come away with much more knowledge than you have and be more open to believing what I say.

http://www.rte.ie/tv/latelate

I of course will be very happy to share any information that I receive from the Paranormal Investigators who visit my home in February.

I am hoping that whatever they learn and can verify can help everyone including them in their capacity as Paranormal Investigators to further research into the Paranormal.

We are all learning and I have no idea what they can pick up and or what they cannot pick up or even if they can get the Spirits out of my body but I am hopeful and in any case I am sure that I will know more about solving these problems after they visit than I do at this point in time.

The post wasn't directed at you specifically, it was directed to all the people who continue to tell RM, that she's this or that she's that, or that she needs to go see a Dr. or a shrink or what have you. It was meant to, hopefully, remind people that they have a choice, as RM is exercising her choice to ignore their advice, they may ignore her posts, or or mine or anyone's for that matter. That's all, nothing more.

Thank you.
I am also happy to see that you are a Democrat

As we know John F. Kennedy was a Democrat and I am trying to get the story about his Assassination to the World which I got from the Akaskic Records in the Spirit World and this may be one of the reasons that others find the Possession Story so hard to believe but its the Story behind the Assassination and other things that I received from the Spirit World that set up this jealousy in my three Relatives and Dr. P. and one of the reasons they possessed my body hoping my telling the Possession Story would invite people to not believe the things I write about other things.

i believe ghosts can haunt a house or perhaps a person but not possess a being,

They can actually take up residence in a Human body and do terrible things to cause pain and give bad advice and try to control the person in many ways.

At first it can be terrifying because they tell you all sorts of things they can do to a Human but as time goes on you begin to lose the fear when you understand that while they can sit inside the body and say all sorts of terible things and even cause a certain amount of pain they can't actually force you to hurt others or do anything they say unless of coruse you are too afraid to tell them to get lost and stick to it.
Once the do take up residence in a body such as happened to me the hard part is getting anyone to believe that this can happen and even harder is efforts to find an Exorcist or Paranormal Investigators.
After 20 years of possession and spirit abuse I finally have found an invesitatie team to at least hopefully help me prove what I say is true.
And hopefully they can help me talk them out.
I do believe Possessions may be rare but nevertheless they do occur.

no offence rose but perhaps u should see a real doctor and get some medication. Im a nurse at the local hospital and i work with mental illness patients, they believe they are possesed by ghosts and the devil and little green men, but once they go on proper medication, they soon come to realise how sick they realy were and all these scary things were all in there head. Dont get me wrong sick people truely believe what is happening to them is real they can see, feal and hear the monters just as if they were realy there but its all in there head. I dont mean to offend you but im a woman of science and I need proof before i can believe in spirits possessing people

Hello, Alien_child,

I truly appreciate your genuine and heartfelt attempts to help Rosemary. We are all doing our best in light of the failures on the part of clergy, medicine, and modern science.

Please feel welcome to browse this website further for testimony from those who have been placed on the anti-psychotic medications, had their doses increased periodically, only to find that their conditions remained stationary or worsened.

I overcame my paranoia over 5 years ago by facing my fears of watchful eyes and judgment, without drugs of any kind.

The paranoia develops as a result of how people like Rosemary and me are treated by society. Not only that, some people have an unreliable connection to the external spiritual energy, and one or two premonitions that come true lead them to believe that they have a God-like knowledge regarding anyone, anything, and everything. What Rosemary describes is quite similar to the real-life woman who inspired "Medium". Who are any of us to decide that her claims are not legitimate without proof? And these are not scary things unless we allow them to be. What is all too often labeled as evil in dreams and more intrusive encounters is a teacher above all else. One simply can't allow him/herself to believe that it has control over life and pursuit of happiness.

If you were to meet me in public, there is little or no chance that I would even think of dicussing these matters with you, or anyone in your profession. And you would likely not find anything odd about me or missing from my personality. I spend a great deal of time here in support of those who have suffered similarly, and while my legal blindness limits some of my activities, I suffer no paranoia nor social phobia. My humility leads me down some odd paths that render me a fool, but fearing foolishness is foolish from an eternal perspective. We'd all be much happier if it was socially acceptable to blurt from one's mouth whatever odd thought materialized in one's head at that moment. Think of the humor value in that. My God! That's some serious, good medicine.

I will die, reincarnate, and have no recollection of this life in all probability. Why worry about the fool I'll be remembered as when no one will realize in subsequent lives that it was me?

Take care, and keep learning,
Brian

You may be a woman of science but you know very little about the Paranormal or the things I am writing about and if you did you wouldn't be saying those things.
Its my opinion that many people in Hospitals which you described could be having some of the same problems that I am writing about.

I would like to direct you to a web site which I logged onto yesterday which features two priests one a Psychologist who works with these things and Exorcisms and they believe just as I do and if you read it you could read some things that might help you to take a closer look at some of the patients you are dealing with and you might become more enlightened and be even better able to help them.

http://www.rte.ie/tv/latelate/

I'm hoping after you visit this site if you choose to and listen to the video and pay close attention to what he says about relatives and acquaintenances usually being the spirits who cause trouble because of old unresolved issues you will be better informed about these things.

No offense taken I know its hard to many to believe these things but I think those two priests on that website can help you understand things better and see things a little more clearly.

Someone like you who has exerience with the Paranormal as I have noticed in your posts should know better than to keep saying these things.
Such things as the Clergy, Medicine and etc. have failed because you are not helping me to educate people who are trying to learn about the Paranormal.

Did you visit the website about the Irish Talk Show which has two Priests, one a Psychiatrist talking on a 20 minute Video about their work.
He says that the cases he has worked with in almost all cases the problem Spirit is a Relative or acquaintenance who has died and left unresolved issues.

http://www.rte.ie/tv/latelate

Rosemary,

You and I share a common goal to educate and open minds, but we are lecturing in two separate classrooms. While you are currently experiencing these phenomena first-hand, you have the ability to educate in areas where I do not. Additionally, your guidance and possession are in conflict with your ability to maintain happiness. This is of great concern to me and many others.

Most all spirit encounters are behind me, aside from a breeze or a chill here and there, and I am concerned with maintaining happiness and helping others to do likewise by breaking down the oppressive elements of society that prevent people, such as yourself, from being heard and taken seriously. That's one aspect of it, but my ultimate goal is to encourage equal respect for all, whether or not they inhabit human bodies. I hope this clarifies my mission for you. Please let me know if you have any questions.

You and I differ greatly on the concept of clairvoyance and its significance in preventing tragedies and solving crimes. I know full well that clairvoyance is legitimate, as do many others who visit and post on this site, but I do not give it enough weight to impede my achievement of happiness. As I'd said earlier, and I only use him as an example because most are familiar with him, JFK is a guy who died and he needs to get over it. Murder solved or unsolved, no matter. I'm sure I've lost my head, been pinned to big blocks of wood, had my neck broken, been shot, tortured, etc., in past lives. But why dwell on that, float around pestering the living, when I can cure all my worries by forgetting about it, forgiving my executioners, seeing the err of my ways, and living again to grow further?

As a Taoist, though one who does not belong to any group to that end, I recognize the balance of good and evil. I have opted to battle organized religion and psychiatry for their wolf in sheep's clothing effects. I do not tolerate evil masquerading as good. If one wants to be a "demon", he needs to be proud of it and become the best demon that he can be, not grab a small, plastic hoop and attach it to his scalp with a stick.