Actually in my opinion this thread is one of the most educational ones ever opened on this Website or any other, and its caused many others to crop up and whether you believe it or not there are good Psychics one of which I am and there are also possessions carried out by four Spirits who are jealous of all the wonderful Psychic Information that I have received over the years about many things that have absolutely no connection to what I am writing about now in an effort to get them out of my body.

You and many others who don't believe this just don't know what you are talking about and if you continue to learn about the paranormal one day you will no doubt come upon information which will lead you to this conclusion.

I believe the ones who don't believe are just to chicken to believe and face Reality.

shooeing me away isn't going to change anything because whether you believe it or not there are Possessions and I personally feel many Humans are Possessed and don't even know it because they go to Doctors who don't believe in these things and they give them a pill and they go off happy as little larks.
Dr. P. was such a Psychiatrist when he walked the Earth and now he knows that he gave people Pills and Shock Treatment when he should ahve been calling in an Exorcist in many cases.

Thank god for giving us a rest.

Yeah .I am a chicken for being rational and not believing voices in someones head. Which makes more sense? I hope somone in your family will force you to get medical help. I had to do that for my mother and it helpled alot.

rosemary, i would appreciate it if in the future, you would not snap at me without reason. i said nothing to make you mad. perhaps others angered you, but i did not do anything, so please do not take out your anger on me.

frankly, what i was saying is that in order to PROVE yourself to others (obviously, you want them to believe you- otherwise you would not be talking about being a messenger of god) you are going to have to receive a valid psychiatric evaluation- prefferably not from the resident psychiatrist living in your mind. it is only then that people will actually begin to take you seriously. are you not tired of trying to convince people that you aren't lying? why do you not want to at least TRY psychiatric treatment? is it an issue of pride? of fear? what is it?

i do not need a novel in reply. i just want a few simple answers; that's all. i do not wish to offend you in any way shape or form. i hope you will return my respect for you.

I am sorry about your mothers troubles but it has nothing to do with the Story I am telling which is absolutely true.
My Family believes in psychic messages and they talk to relatives on the Ouija board all the time.
They believe what is happening to me but they don't know how to end it anymore than I do but they know its happening because they too get visits from the Spirit World but from nicer ones than I am dealing with.
And my Relatives are now very convinced about who is here with me because they have been told by others in the Spirit World whom they trust.

I thought you were going to give us a rest.

I did not mean to snap.
what others must understand is when I read these posts and answer they are not necessarily me personally answering or writing these long desertations when I sit down to write I am joined on the computer not only by the four Spirits inside my body but by other nicer Spirits who are just in the room and who are trying to help me keep the mean ones from going to far with their writing.

The Nice Spirits always caution me to review the posts but sometimes I don't.

In fact for several days here I was not going to write on the Computer but the vicious attacks by the ones people are saying are all in my mind became so vicious for two nights as I tried to sleep that I brought them back onto the Computer today in self defense because if I don't let them write their attacks are so vicious.

The other things they can do to show their displeasure is to cause me to drop and break things all the time.

I don't need a psychiatrist as I said before I am not upset and I am not scared of these Spirits although they cause me pain because I know while they can attack me we still don't know what will happen to them when they leave my body one day and face a Higher power on Higher realms and so its in fear that they are hiding here becoming more vicious trying to prove that no one in the Universe can ever punish them but we will not know that for sure until they leave my body and confront a Higher Power in the Universe.

I just realized where I heard the name Petas before. It was research I'd done on evil spirits once upon a time online. Petas is another name for ghost. Here's the exact wordage from that website:

"Evil spirits" are, therefore, not beings in an intermediate or transitional stages of existence, but are really very inferior beings, and they belong to one of the following five realms of existence: 1. World of Men: 2. The Lowest plane of deva-world; 3. The region of hell; 4. Animals below men, and 5. Petas (ghosts). Number 2 and 5 are very near the world of human beings"


So...now I know where Rosemary came up with the name of Dr. Petas. Good research Rosemary! This just proves even further to me that your out for the publicity and nothing more.

Oh, and the website I mentioned is this one: http://www.network54.com/Forum/25467/viewall-page-8

i'm not saying you "need" a psychiatrist. i'm saying that you should go to one if you want anybody to believe you. that is the only way you're going to get ANYONE to listen. and if you do that and people start believing you, there won't be anymore of these 'attacks' from these spirits when they are trying to counter what other disbelievers say, correct? so either way, it is better... and if you continue to insist that you don't need a psychiatrist or that you don't want one, i am going to have to assume that you have made the entire thing up, because anyone who actually had this happening to them would be glad to go get checked out in order to help others believe them.

I and ED came across this same result for "Petas" a couple of days ago, Tahari - great work as always. "Hungry Ghost" indeed. Hungry for what. Of course, it could be argued that the "spirit" took the name "Petas" as an in-joke, since it is posing, etc. I'm long done responding to the actual thread itself, but wanted to chime in with support for Tahari's finding and the, at the very least, ironic "coincidence". A little research goes a long way for things, such as examing the skeptic's dictionary entries by Rosemary, as of last year, which are being copied and pasted here...

The use of PETAS does seem to be more than a coincidence.

Tahari01,

I'd be in full agreement with you, and I told Rosemary to leave this site once before for her own good. It's certainly not helping her to tell everyone how sane and righteous she is, day in and day out. Since she jumps from thread to thread, they'd be better off revoking her than locking a single discussion. Unfortunately, a revocation would only boost her perception of pride. Censorship gives credence to conversation that has none.

I'm ready to call it quits. I've tried every piece of logic imaginable, employed several relevant metaphors, and met her halfway with the spirit encounters based on my past experience. Sadly, whenever some random user comes along and claims, "Yo! You got the devil in you, lady.", she's back to square one hoping for an exorcist and denying that she has sole power to end her turmoil.

She's placing pride in stories, not confidence in herself, and thus feels too weak to take control of her life even with simple decisions such as selecting groceries and whether or not to eat leftovers. If she were a threat to herself or anyone else, she'd be in custody by now, so what's happening with her is unlikely to be chemical in nature.

I'll check the website out.
However I must say although the word Petas may mean Evil Spirit the man I write about here is also named Petas and when he lived in Toledo, Ohio before his passing in l985 he was Dr. Stergio Nicholas Petas, and he is the father of two sons and three daughters.
Now what a coincidence that he decided to become an evil Spirit and you found the name Petas as an Evil one because that is exactly what he is.
I most certainly have not been out for publicity everything I have ever written here is the absolute truth.

I don't need a Psychiatrist and if I did I would have seen one.
Nothing I have ever written here has ever been made up its just the truth as it is and although it may seem unbelievable to some it nonetheless true.
I only shared some of my Experiences to tell others what can happen

I'm sorry but I am telling the truth.

and the things I said were no worse than people continuing to tell me I have a mental problem just because they haven't had some of the Psychic Experiences that I have had.

I wanted to share some of my experiences so others wouldn't walk blindly into the situation I did when I began communicating with the Spirit World.

Many people who make their money as Psychics don't want others to know that Possessions and things can really happen and I feel I am doing others a favor to tell them some of the things I have learned that I was inexperienced in when I first began channelling for Spirit.

But if no one else ever has a problem with Evil spirits then I guess they just don't know some of the kinds of Spirits that were my relatives and dr. P.
But its nontheless true.

But since these things are scarey I can understand why people pretend not to believe it just makes them feel safer.

Sorry but the name is Dr. Stergio Nicholas Petas and anyone who wants to check him out from 20 years ago can no doubt find him somewhere listed in the Medical Journals.

but its very Interesting to hear about the Word petas meaning Ghost and that of course is just a Coincidence since his real name is Dr. Stergio Nicholas petas and not made up at all.

You can log on to the Bureau of Vital Statistics in Toledo, Ohio and you will find that Dr. Stergio Nicholas Petas died in l985.

Yet another link to a different web forum in which Rosemary claims this stuff is true. Here's the link: http://skepticforum.mu.nu/viewtopic.php?p=...f00d5fccda1f94a

It's strange how they dubbed her a troll there, as I feel she's one on these forums as well.

I'm not necessarily inferring Rosemary is making the name up, only that the name is an interesting coincidence. And Dr. Petas died and then immediately possessed her. Hmm. Keep in mind that the proven existance of such a person does not lend any validity to Rosemary's tale - it simply means such a person existed.


Rosemary has indeed been keeping an AOL journal on her 'situation' since 2003. It would probably be better if the family did NOT believe in spirit communication and such - I think this is not a conducive environment for emotional recovery and stability.

I totally agree jpatt. And for this reason, I'm choosing to place Rosemary on my ignore list. Her posts aren't worth my time on here. Rosemary, I suggest if you want people to start believing you.....to not go on and on and on about it like a broken record. I really feel sorry for your family for having to put up with you. I have an ex mother in law that's like you. She refuses to get help too and her family has suffered because of the very reason you refuse to seek help by a professional....mental or not. You still need to see a doctor. Good luck to you in the future and I hope you can get over whatever part of your life that's made you conjur "evil spirits" into your mind.

and I see from your quote that you are clearly stuggling with reality

I notice that many on here compare me to their mothers or Mother-in-laws and so the problem with reality could be yours.

Perhaps your Ex-Mother-in-law doesn't need a Psychiatrist and pills at all but an Exorcist.

If people on this Forum and others began to believe my Story they would have to face terror feeling every time they walk into an Empty House and they would begin to analyze their every scary dream and ask themselves who in the Spirit World could be trying to do this to them?

Its just easier to pretend that I have a dillussional problem than to face the possiblity that I am telling the truth and live the rest of your lives in Terror.

You would have to say who is putting those bad thoughts into my head?

Was it me who acted out at the party last night or was it a Spirit from the Spirit World and did they do it just floating around the room and making a mind connection to me or are they in my body?

And when I look at my wife or girlfriend in her sleep and she is moaning and smiling is it me she's thinking about or is it some heavenly visitor that comes while I'm sleeping?

Yes this is what bored Spirits can do to my life and anyones life if they have a mind to and I am now of the opinin that there are a lot of bored spirits in the After Life that just like to have a little fun with Earthlings and sometimes if they don't like them they treat them like I am being treated.

And when they see someone with a Ouija Board they no doubt smile and say well what do you want to be today?

Do we play Angel or Demon?

And for those who are complaining about my Story just think you got all this first hand knowledge and it didn't cost you a cent and that proves that all Psychics are not out to make a buck sometimes they just want to see if they can convince others about the Truths of the Universe.

Some of the Spirits are amazed that some of you who do so much research remain so clueless as to the truth of these things.

I too have surfed the Net and I can tell you there is much information out there that should have convinced some of you that what I am writing could be true.

Surely you can't have read Victor Zammit and all the things he says and still remain so Clueless and mean just because I can't produce a picture of the four Evil Spirits attacking me day and night.

Rosemary, do you not hear a thing I say? Firstly, if you ever want to be considered credible in the eyes of everyone, you HAVE to see a psychiatrist. Your continuous denial that you need one is the first sign of lunacy and certainly makes me think that you refuse to try one out simply because either you are making it up or you are so crazy you have convinced yourself that you are sane. It doesn't matter whether or not you "need" one. You HAVE to eliminate mental illness before assuming ANYTHING else. Until you provide proof of sanity to us (aka until you get checked out by a shrink), you have ZERO credibility in these forums and people will assume you are a nutcase. It is not a question of whether or not you "need" psychiatric help. It is a question of whether or not you ever want anyone to believe you in any way, shape, or form. period.

I would suggest that you reread some of the things you are writing and ask yourself who needs a therapist?

You ask someone to go to a Psychiatrist and offer you proof and you speak for everyone when you say no one will believe me if I do this.

You use such words as lunacy, nutcase, and crazy, people in a social situation would not walk up to another person and talk like this so to you lady I say get a grip.

Who would pay for this Psychiatric Evaluation?

I'm telling a story here and you can believe it or not because I really don't care why you are discrediting me and trying to convince everyone that reads my story that I am crazy.

Did you watch movies like the exorcist and Emily Rose and things like that, and leave the theater ranting like this?

And if yes what were others reaction to your behavior?

I simply came on a Forum where people are dealing with Unexplained and unproven Mysteries and told my Story and I can tell you I didn't expect people to react like you and some others are doing.

I expected them to just read the story and discuss it and believe it or not and if they don't believe then they should just take it with a grain of salt like people do who read these kinds of stories in tabloids and Newspapers or on Television and not begin ranting about how the author should have Psychiatric evaluation and offer you proof personally.

I know some of the things I have been telling may be unbelievable to some who have not had this experience.

Thank God I only told you some of the things that I have seen as a Psychic because I am not sure how you would have reacted had you seen the notes I made back in the Mid Eighties about Satellites floating in Outerspace and I drew them and sent them off to a clearing house that I was directed to and soon the Satellite Pictures were published in a Paper and they had been Top Secret up until the time I sent those notes out, and perhaps I had just been getting a Premonition that these pictures would be seen in the paper or perhaps my notes told others its time to Unveil them?

And yes I have the notes on that dated and timed in my Archives and one day I'll no doubt use those notes in something I or someone else publishes about the things I have seen and experienced as a psychic.

And aren't you lucky that you got a chance to preview some of that because I become a Famous Psychic that you can naysay and kick around like Skeptics always do with people like me and others.

So yes there is a Spirit World and there are Psychics who can do the things I have been writing about.

And yes Einstein, and the Kennedy Brothers and others too numerous to mention are alive in the Universe and able to communicate through Psychics like me.

Some Spirits in the Spirit World choose to communicate with Earth in the right way and some choose to act like Evil Spirits like Eve, Carrie, George and Dr. Petas.

And yes the full name of Dr. Stergio Nicholas Petas of Toledo, and Sylvania, Ohio will be used in this copy until he decides to leave my body and leave my home and go exist somewhere else in the Spirit World.
He has the free will to leave my body at any time and I will use any method necessary to get him to come to his senses and get out of my body and go accept his life in the Spirit World and that is how I am trying to get him to accept his death and leave my three Evil Relatives and go be happy in the After Life.

Rosemary, the main reason people such as Ashley and myself urge you to seek help is because we care about you and hate to see you suffer like this. There's no ulterior motive. I'm afraid if you can't accept that someone you don't know would care enough to suggest courses of action then I'm not sure what else anyone can do apart from leave you to find your own way through this.

What are you going to do if the Demonologist and the Paranormal Investigators cannot help you? Would you consider medical help as a last resort? Have you considered the fact that medication may actually make these spirits find it harder to make you do these things? If I was in your situation I'd certainly give it a go. Think about it; if the spirits cannot get through to you they will get fed up, and most likely leave and find someone else to harass. I'm not saying medication is a long term thing, but I believe it would give you some breathing space to get your life back on track.

I'm not saying I disbelieve you, in fact I believe what is happening is very real to you. I'm just saying if I was in your situation I'd not leave any stone unturned, even if I don't think it would work.

rosemary, i do see a therapist AND a psychiatrist. i also take medication. it has all helped me TREMENDOUSLY and saved my life.

i am not saying that people won't believe you if you go to a psychiatrist, i am saying that they WILL believe you, because it will offer them valid proof that you are not plagued by mental problems.

and what words would you suggest i use in place of words such as "lunacy", "crazy", and "nutcase"? i believe they were all used in proper context.

if you have insurance, that would easily pay for psychiatric evaluations, as well as medication. if not, there are many free services for people without insurance that you could go to.

i am not trying to discredit you nor convince other people that you are crazy. i have said neither. all that i have done is ask you to go to a psychiatrist so that we can rule out mental problems. wouldn't that be the next logical step? if you do not do this, you will never know whether you are genuinely possessed or just a victim of a mental disorder- nor will anyone else know.

emily rose - or annelise michelle - lived many years ago. it is pointless of me to 'rant' about her case. but if she were still alive, i most certainly would tell her the same things i am saying to you. and if she were any sort of logical person, she would take my advice.

rosemary, i myself have had odd experiences, but i know they are not mental because i have seen a psychiatrist and am on medication. i can outrule the possibility of mental illness. you, however, cannot.

in fact, i am generally a supporter of people who claim to have supernatural abilities. i like to give them the benefit of the doubt. it's just that when people begin to say ridiculous things and refuse to at least eliminate the possibility of mental illness, i begin to doubt their credibility.

In response I would like to direct you to a Story on the Main UM page entitled.

'THE PARANORMAL COMMUNITY UNVEILED'

I think that Article hits the Nail right on the Head.
And I believe people who respond to me the way they have, throwing around such phrases as Dillussional, Nutcase, Insanity and other words like that should read that Article and then perhaps you will begin to see the light.
Heaven knows I have not been able to get through to many no matter how hard I have tried.

How about I agree to pay for a psch evaluation by a pyshciatrist? I am sure I could find one on line. I would just need to check on pricing. What do you say?

No thank you that won't be necessary.

I would however like to recommend that you go to the UM main page and read an Article that I read there and I think that will clear up a lot of things for some people telling me these things.

UM 'The Paranormal Community Unveiled'

This is a very insightful article written by someone who knows what they are talking about.

would you be so kind as to provide a link to this thread?


and i fail to understand why, if someone is PAYING for a psychiatric evaluation, you refuse to take it. that's just ridiculous, if you are indeed telling the truth and want people to believe you.

i never called you any of those things. i said that is what everyone (myself included) is going to assume about you if you do not get a psychiatric evaluation and provide proof that you are NOT crazy.

you people need to chill....what if all this happenned to you guys? you'd prolly feel sorry for saying all this crap! Just keep this in mind....it could happen to you! and notice how the Exocist was based on a true story...and so was The Exocism of Emily Rose!! you guys just need to stop freakin out on her!

Exorcist** Exorcism**

i'm not freaking out on her...? just suggesting that she get a psychiatric evaluation to eliminate mental illness as a possibility. yes, i understand that this has to be scary for her, but all the same, she should still rule out all possibilities.

and the exorcism of emily rose and the exorcist may have been based on true stories. that doesn't mean that the people involved were necessarily possessed, though- merely assumed to be possessed.

You said god would not help you. Maybe there is a reason he/her/it wants it that way. Have you ever tried solving this problem like a puzzle. I'm sorry I can be very academic at times.

no im not talkin about you...just all the people who are freakin out

I'm not to good on the Computer yet and so bear with me because about the only thing I know about computers at this time is how to log onto forums and write in my Journal and do a little research on the Computer but a lot of things I am just learning.

The article I am referring to I read from the main page of UM and there is a list of articles written by others.

The one I found most interesting is:

'The Paranormal Community Unveiled'
I think its a wonderful insiteful article that anyone interested in the Paranormal should read.

I would also like to say I just visited another Website:
http://The Truth about Death.com

After reading this I can see why I am having such a problem getting my message across to others.

Since much of what I read there is based on the Bible and what it says about after Death I don't like to get into that or Disagree with what some of those Writers said but we have to realize that although they wrote the Bible they were Psychic Channels who communicated with the after life and claimed to be giving us the word of God, which they no doubt were doing.

I on the other hand have said that the Gudies appeared to me and told me the things I am writing and now because of the things those Scribes wrote compared to what I also learned from the so called Angels and Spirits in Heaven I am having a very hard time getting my information across because while people took them and their words at face value and as the gospel truth I am not seeing how the words they relayed are anymore reliable than mine are.

So don't call this Blastamy please, that is not what I am striving for what I am striving for is perhaps my words and the things I have learned is an updated version and as we know in Manuscripts sometimes they have updated versions.

I know when I write what I am doing I am possibly saying some of the saintly writers from the Past may have embellished a little on things and we have no more right to call me a fiction writer than we would them.

Back then and now we are all dealing with our own experiences and who is to say which one is more accurate than the other?

Thank you very much.
I assure you everything I am writing is the absolute truth and I am here only to share some of my Experiences just as many are on this forum.

I am trying to figure this all out and I am coming to the Conclusion that this is happening to me so I can write about it and tell everyone that situations like Emily Rose and the little boy in the Exorcist are true stories and these things can happen to anyone if they can happen to such an ordinary person as I.

*sigh* i give up.

You are not ordinary......a little strange yes

its not very nice to call her strange...when this could actually be happening...and it thought a girl was being possessed in the Exocist?...wasnt her name Reagan?

I had been reading this thread for an hour or so, wondering when someone was going to point this out. As someone just stepping into this thread, and only having read maybe not even half of it, I can tell that some of you have a genuine concern for Rosemary. As do I now. I believe in the supernatural and paranormal, but I'm also skeptic at the same time. I believe there's a very fine line (if one at all) between paranormal experiences and mental disorders. Rosemary, I think you should talk to a psychiatrist. But who cares what I think, right? If you are so tormented and want it to stop or at least try to alleviate it, talk to a psychiatrist. There are medications that can "dull" your receptiveness to these mean spirits, hopefully ending this psychic battle you seem to be going through. Sadly though, I have a feeling that is not what you will do. No matter what, whether you're crazy or not, whether people believe you or not, you deserve better than what you are going through. Is this how you really want to live the rest of your life? No one should have to go through this.

Rosemary.........do I understand you correctly? Are you saying you are being guided in writing an ammendment or addition to the Bible?

Welcome to the boards ThunderMoon

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I had been reading this thread for an hour or so, wondering when someone was going to point this out. As someone just stepping into this thread, and only having read maybe not even half of it, I can tell that some of you have a genuine concern for Rosemary. As do I now. I believe in the supernatural and paranormal, but I'm also skeptic at the same time. I believe there's a very fine line (if one at all) between paranormal experiences and mental disorders. Rosemary, I think you should talk to a psychiatrist. But who cares what I think, right? If you are so tormented and want it to stop or at least try to alleviate it, talk to a psychiatrist. There are medications that can "dull" your receptiveness to these mean spirits, hopefully ending this psychic battle you seem to be going through. Sadly though, I have a feeling that is not what you will do. No matter what, whether you're crazy or not, whether people believe you or not, you deserve better than what you are going through. Is this how you really want to live the rest of your life? No one should have to go through this.

Heya, Thundermoon,

Welcome, and thanks for your thoughtful and kind words. You come close to naming the problem at the heart of this thread. I brushed up against it about 20 pages ago when I tried to speak to Rosemary's problem. She goes on for post after post describing her unendurable suffering, but when someone offers her a way out she balks.

Say what?

Someone in real misery doesn't do that. Well, not normally they don't. Under normal circumstances, someone as desperate as Rosemary describes herself to be in the first half of this thread grabs at anything if it promises relief of any kind. To hear Rosemary tell it, her very life is in danger from these spirits, and yet she won't even see a doctor? Who in their right mind would do that?

Paradoxically, it's the best argument for her actually being possessed. In my experience, possessed people act exactly like that. Possession drives people crazy. And if you do not have a rock-solid grasp on reality (I'm talking about reality, not 3-dimentions) and on the universality of Love and Goodness, possessed people will drive you crazy as well. EDW74 and Frankblunt have obviously dealt with demons of one kind or another, but as far as I can see, they were never truly possessed, the demons never took root; merely made life miserable, made 'em both a little crazy until EDW74 and Frankblunt found their answers.

Possession is a lot like addiction. Rosemary's acting like the drunk who goes on and on and on crying about the evils of booze and then orders another scotch. People in Rosemary's position aren't in proper control of themselves and their actions. Fer cryin' out loud, that's why we call 'em possessed! She may believe that she knows when she's in charge and when she's not, but she's in no possition to make such distinctions. She goes on about how they control her, except of course when she makes them stop--like an alcoholic, she can quit any time!

If you take the time to read the whole thread, you may notice that Rosemary's tactics change regularly. As soon as people begin to address whatever problem Rosemary presents, Rosemary switches problems; as soon as anyone starts to get a handle on Rosemary's case, Rosemary cuts 'em off with a "no, no, you don't understand." As much as she complains, she's protecting her affliction too.

Lately, it's hard to tell whether this possession is a problem, or a privilege for her. This possession places her at the very center of a cosmic controversy with God and everybody taking our cues from her. "Actually in my opinion this thread is one of the most educational ones ever opened on this Website or any other," she says.

To my mind, this thread is an encyclopedia of misinformation about the spirit world. What has anyone learned from all this bluster and name-calling about demons or spirits that they didn't already believe? About life after death? About the supposed difference between mental illness and possession? About any dang thing?

Rosemary harps on the false dichotomy between insanity and psychic awareness. To her mind, you can't have both at the same time. If she's psychic then she can't be crazy! Unfortunately, a lot of immature folk on this board buy into the dichotomy as well, only from the opposite side of the fence; if they can prove Rosemary's crazy, then she can't be psychic. Of course, the internet is precisely the place where no such proof for these assertions will ever be found (both sides of the debate know this perfectly well), so it's an endless, cyclical conflict that never makes any progress, never changes or evolves--an endless source of drama and the perfect arena for empty self-important speechifying from both sides.

It's a strife engine. Notoriously, demons, evil spirits, hungry ghosts, call them what you will, feed on this kind of wasted energy. This thread has been a regular feeding frenzy for those beings who feed on the pain and suffering of others.

And just to be as clear as possible, I'm not here to discredit Rosemary. I recognize what she's talking about; I don't believe she's lying; unlike so many here, I have no problem with her encounters with any of the famous dead. I don't, however, think she's in any position to judge her situation other than that it is imperative that she get help. I hope to god and all the angels that this "paranormal group" she's dealing with isn't a bunch of college age "enthusiasts" but folks with some real life experience under their belts. Rosemary needs a wise coucelor, not some wannabe ghostbuster with something to prove.

Any harshness I've expressed here, I reserve for her ego, her conceit and whatever evil spirits she's supporting. Our selves are distinct from our egos. The ego is simply a fixed identity we've become comfortable with (after 20 years, she's obviously gotten comfortable where she is). The ego is not who or what we are. The truth itself will seem to "attack" our sense of identity simply by existing if our identity is based on a lie. And the ego is always, one way or another, a lie. Ego-swamped humans may feel "hurt" by the truth then, when really what's happening is that their egos are being challenged, hopefully becoming a little less fixed. If they're very lucky, such an "attack" will result in an "ego death" (hopefully, one of many over the course of a lifetime).

So, a lot of what people experience as "suffering" at the hands of spirits is really cleansing or what I like to call growth.

If Rosemary is truly possessed, then she knows perfectly well that she's crazy. There is a part of her mind that is free of the possession and she knows it. But that part of her isn't running the show at the moment. At this point, that part of her prolly isn't even conscious. A proper exorcist would awaken that part of her, remind her of who and what she truly is.

From where I sit then, Rosemary is telling the absolute truth about her perceptions, but not about the ultimate reality of her situation. And she won't be in a position to do so until she's freed herself from this possession.

Everybody, please, let's end the empty insanity debate and send Rosemary our good wishes for relief and recovery.

-HK

HK thankyou for such an enlightening post

I believe that what Rosemary percieves is very real to her; I've never said otherwise. Realistically it is Rosemary's family who should be providing her with support, not strangers on a discussion board. I feel it a crying shame that she has basically been left on her own to deal with what she's going through, although I must admit if her family came across the same denial that we have all been met with then is it any surprise they have given up? Don't forget there's also the theory that Rosemary secretly enjoys the attention her possession is creating. I'm not saying this is definite - it's just another viewpoint on the situation.

o.m.g....im not even gonna touch that one....god you people are...dude, i cant even find the right word...but instead of talking about how unbelievbly crazy she is...why dont we all try to HELP instead of putting her down

"crazy"*

HKCavalier.......a very well-thought-out and wise post!

As I've continued to read this thread one thing has become very clear......everyone here genuinely cares about Rosemary and is worried about her. Let's hope that this paranormal research group she has mentioned is the answer for her, one way or another.

I agree the post by HK Cavalier was a good post which I read yesterday but decided not to respond to at that time.

I'm hoping the Paranormal Research group will be able to get things on Film and that the Psychics who are part of the Group can verify what I am saying so that others believe.

I have never dealt with such a group and don't even know how they operate except for what I've read on various websites that I visit but I am hoping this particular Group (no names at this time) can quietly come into my home and not only verify the things I am saying but can actually communicate with the Spirits I mention so I can offer more proof.

I realize the things I am writing about are hard to believe, and there is little physical proof that someone like me can offer and its very hard to find an exorcist no matter what we read bout Exorcisms but hopefully in the future it will be easier for an ordianry person like me to do so.

In the meantime all I can do is tell my Story and hope that the Paranormal Group will be able to find something that will make things easier to offer some kind of proof.

Until after the Group arrives and I see if I can solve my problem there seems little reason to state my case further now so for now I am just trying to solve my problem here and write in my Journal as a way of dealing with them and hopefully as time goes on they will decide to come out before the Paranormal Group gets here but for now there seems little hope of that.

The saddest thing to deal with in this situation is that three of my Relatives whom I loved when they passed over would turn on me like this and help a man like Dr. Petas to do these things to me just so he can hang onto me from beyond the Veil of Death.

From the beginning I have told him I would not have tried to send him away permanently if he would have not behaved this way and I have told all of them from the beginning had they behaved in the right way and written outside my body like everyone else in the Spirit World we would not have had these problems.

They still maintain the only way they are coming out is if a Higher Power appears and forces them out or if I find an Exorcist and or the Demonologist who is coming proves they have the power to force them out.

And while they are Violent they say the Violence is to motivate me to tell this Story and to search until I find someone who can prove they actually have the Power to physically remove them from my Body.

So you see when I came on here to tell my Story I really didn't expect anyone to get them out of my body I was just telling my Personal Story and of course I was hoping as I went along that an idea would come to me about someone who would try to help such as the Paranormal Group and so wish me luck.

I have never dealt with a situation like I am doing right now and day by day I am searching for a way to Solve this.

If it were possible for me to get on a Plane and go to Russia and have an Exorcism at that Russian Church I would surely give it a try but I don't think that would be possible because of the Red Tape involved and many other personal factors.

In the meantime on almost a daily basis I am logging onto the Russian Exorcism Video and trying an Exorcism kind of like Remote Viewing.

I run the Video and touch the screen with one hand and my body with the other and see if I can pick up the Priests healings.

Of course I have holy water and instructions for an Exorcism which it try on a do-it-yourself basis.

But Crazy I'm not, these things are very real, but I must say I have had a problem only with these four and I believe these things are very Real but it appears these four are Determined to try to prove whether there is a spirit in the Spirit World who has dominance over them and who can bring them under forced control.

This situation has gone on so long because I too thought it should be up to a Higher Power to bring them out but as time went on it only became worse.

Its also taken a long time because these four spirits sought to turn my life into a sideshow like existence as has happened to many others who have gone through exorcisms and that is not what I wanted to happen so that's why I have dealt with it on my own as much as I can but now it seems the only alternative now is to try the Paranormal Group and let them do with the sitaution as they will.

Anything to solve this problem.
I am of course concerned about what actually happens to the Spirit during an Exorcism?
Do they physically Die or do they just give up and leave the Body?
And if that's true where do they go?

You obviously haven't read the rest of this topic properly. If you had you'd see that most, if not all, suggestions made to Rosemary are from concern for her situation. Please do the proper research before letting loose accusations