You misunderstood me I never said that the angels or people fell because of the devil, the angels rebelled and followed Satan because Satan appeared to them as the almighty one, so the angels followed him because he told them what they wanted to hear, thus, they became evil spirits known as "demons" not "ghosts" again, the Bible mentions nothing of ghosts.

My apologies. I think though you might have misunderstood me as well due to me not making myself clear. I have a slight migraine and probably should not be online but it is just beginning and I will get off after this. I was trying to state for whatever reason a Angel or human falls is not proven to me. I tend to find free will can also leds us to believe so many different ways that what we believe to be true is indeed truth. My truth however is not the same as yours or my Mother's. I do not believe in the Devil as I stated nor a 100% in the Bible. But I do not condemn anyone who does nor their own personal beliefs. My point was that we should not force our beliefs onto another if we do not wish that upon ourselves. If felt like you were and if I am wrong then my apologies once again. My love my faith as you probably as love yours sharing our beliefs is doing willing by each one which is different then forcing. Good night and again I am sorry for misunderstanding you.

phew..

Show me this heaven or hell without me having to die that is. Prove to me beyond a reasonable doubt of its existance. You cannot prove to me just as I cannot prove to you that I feel spirits around me. I feel people emotions, illness, and energies but I cannot prove it to you nor should I have to. Nor should you have to prove the existance of heaven or hell to me. You obiviously believe in the Bible as the only truth out there and that if fine but I do not. I know that I shall learn until the day I take my last breathe upon this plane of existance. Spirits for me are very real and when you look it, it all boils down to my word and your word. I do not know if my beliefs are the true ones nor do I know your belief is the true one. I am glad that we have the choice to choose our paths of life and that we are not all alike.

Have you considered consulting a psychiatrist? I am not trying to insult you, or suggest that what you say may not be true. Nonetheless, you seem to be undergoing tremendous suffering, some of which might be treatable. I am not minimizing your issues. If I were in your position, I'd persue any and all avenues which might provide remedy. Best wishes, Jackie

Thank you very much for the kind words and the Story about the message from your grandmother.

Though I have not read everyone's responses in this thread I can tell you this. if everything is as you say it is.

1) The "spirits" inside you are not who they say they are.
2) if you have not had a psychiatric evaluation then you should have one (to confirm that you are in the right frame of mind)
3) The spirits of people who have passed away cannot enter another living person, they do not have enough energy.
4) These "spirits" are demonic in nature and will torment you until they have corrupted you until death.
5) Somehow, some way you invited them in, they cannot simply set up shop on their own without some form of consent.

see here for some help

http://spcdc.saint-mike.org/default.asp

it's a spiritual warfare website.

Try contacting John Zaffis

let me know if there is anything I can do to help

If demons are spirits, why shouldn't the "demons" inside Rosemary be spirits?? Sorry, I know it's a picky question, but it kind of contradicts what you said...

Spirits, as we traditionally think of them are the same as ghosts, the spirit of a living person who has not passed over for whatever reason. Demons are spirits, yes but they differ in that they have never existed in any form as living breathing beings. to clarify.

Thank you for your response.
I know that you and many others believe that the Spirits of Relatives and acquaintences cannot enter a Human body but that is just not true.
I know absolutely who these four are and its been verified to me by Guides in the Spirit World that I trust.
Now all I need to do is keep searching until I learn how to get them out or to find out if a Priest or Psychic Researcher can help me talk them out.
I believe that many people who commit crimes and do all sorts of ungodly things and who have been diagnosed with mental problem are simply possessed by the Spirits of the Dead, who in some cases are just their enemies who have passed over and they come back to seek vengance against the Human for some Reason.
As we know people die from all sorts of terrible things and sometimes they are killed in horrendous accidents or shot or stabbed and sometimes buried alive and its these Spirits who resent dieing and they want a body to live in.
I am going to write something here that I have never written before.
Spiritual Writer Ruth Montgomery wrote in the seventies or eighties about Walk-In's and called it:
"Strangers Among Us"
In the book she says that a Higher Power puts Spirits back into the Body of Humans after he ejects their Spirit from that Body when he learns they didn't appreciate the body and weren't using it to its best capabilities.
I feel that book is a very dangerous book because its one of the things that caused my three Relatives and Dr. P to enter my body and try to force my Spirit out of the Body so they could have this body and walk the Earth in it.
If you don't believe what I am writing about her books find a copy at the Library or Book Store and read it and you will be as terrified from that book as I was.
Well my deceased Relatives and Dr. P. read it and they believed everything she said and this is why they entered my body and for 20 years have been trying to break my spirit down and hopefully drive it from this body so they can have the body then they say one of them will control the body and write anything they choose to.
so far they have not been able to drive my Spirit out of this body and I don't think they can.
Another thing they read in her books is that when an Evil Spirit becomes so Evil it can't be Rehabilitated a Higher Power Steps in and destroys them and as things heated up here one of the Guides appered and showed them a look into the future where when they crawled out of this body after it dies they were immediately destroyed and so you see after what they have done they are too terrified to leave this body and to cover up their fear and cowardace they get increasingly meaner each and every day.
I hope this offers more insite into what caused this and I am hopefully you will read some of Ruth Montgomeries later books and learn why I am having some of these problems and I am here to educate more people as to the truth as I see it so they don't have some of the Problems I am having and I am hoping any other Spirits who might try possessing a Human Body will be discouraged to try it after reading all the problems that Dr. P and my three relatives have had in trying to take over my body.
So no I don't need a psychaitrist because when Dr. P. walked the Earth he was a Psychiatrist and he says he has work unfinished on the Earth Plane and this is why he has to have my body and each day he tells me to get out, because he can put it to better use than I can.
And I just bet he could no doubt he wants to go back and hump some more of the nurses the way he did when he roamed the halls of his Hospital.

Well said

I personally believe that heaven is a collective higher conciousness, where souls (I use that term, but you may replace it with another if it suits you better) gravitate to after death. Using your previous analogies, hell is a similar collective, but it attracts the bad elements of society when they die. I see religion as just a personal preference in explaining and also in cases "tapping into" this collective; ie praying. I understand that not everyone will share this view, it's my personal theory, nothing else. To me, this theory also explains ghosts/spirits/demons - call them what you will. I'm afraid I do not believe in God and the Devil as described in the Bible, I've tried, but it's just not working for me. I understand that parts of the Bible are true facts, and that a man named Jesus may have actually existed, and he may have led an astonishing life; but for me the Bible is a book written by man to try and understand the meaning of it all. Don't get me wrong, I have great respect for any faith including Christians, it's just one view of many thousands in this varying world, and as I see it everyone should have the freedom to believe what they want, and not be "told" that their beliefs are untrue according to one faith. I can understand everyone's concern for Rosemary, she is obviously going through a very difficult and frightening time. Be it down to illness or spiritual possession we can only speculate. I see many posts containing the words "No" and "you're wrong, I'm right" - can't we put ourselves in the situations of others and try to see things from their point of view rather than dismissing it outright?

Ahh I see, thankyou for that Reading back I must have misread it somewhere, I can see what Boltwave was saying now lol

I can do that. Just know that though your personal experiences "color" your opinions as do mine, and going strictly from my experiences I have advised her within my scope of experience. Which is what I suggest anyone do, as opposed to, judging and making generalizations from what they have read in a book (even the bible) or have seen in a movie, documentary or a TV show. For the record 98% of what I will tell people is based on my own personal experiences, and the other 2% is from research and study. I am not saying that your methods or advice are wrong. I am simply giving her yet another perspective from which she can view the problem.

I understand what you're saying; I wasn't pointing any fingers, just making a general statement I, too prefer to give advice based on personal experiences. I'm of the opinion that just because we are told something doesn't make it true, but at the same time I'm prepared to keep an open mind and not debunk something just because it doesn't fit with what I know. As you can see from my signature I feel that no-one can be an "absolute" expert on anything, there is always so much we do not know no matter how much we learn.

I appreciate all the discussions and feed back because I believe this is the way we are all going to learn more about everything beyond Earth is by sharing each others experiences.
I would also like to say, while I don't like what is happening to me and don't quite yet know how I will solve it, I am no longer terrified as I once was.
I don't know if my losing my fear is because of the Good Guides around me who help me to be strong each day or if its because I knew these four Spirits when they walked the Earth and even back then they were stubborn and opinionated and controlling and I don't think death changed them much.
My Relatives are still trying to treat me like they did back then, making most of my decisions and taking the attitude:
"Spare the Rod and Spoil the Child"

But they weren't bad, just strict and from the Spirit World they are still trying to be controlling and saying things like if I don't work with them exclusively and send the other Spirits away who want to write then I will never write in Peace.
I of course can't do that because some of the other spirits have such Fantastic Information they want to continue to share with the World that I have to listen to them and write with them.
I am hoping today my Relatives will agree to come out and bury the hatchet and let by gones be bygones and then they can go rest for a time and I will talk to the Guides about our situation and perhaps after a time if they get their acts together I will let them speak to the World and tell them how Sorry they are for being so mean.

I cannot begin to explain or convey the meaning this particular sentence, and the quoted word "color", possesses, right now, but I can only say that for reasons too lengthy and subjective to go into, this is a profound confirmation of something for me, and in effect, for the rest of you as well, in some fashion I don't understand. Thank you all, and all my best.

Rosemary,

The points I made yesterday about the Bible and organized religion in general were admittedly harsh in tone, but absolutely necessary in order to convince everyone that evil does not exist. Christ was said to be a carpenter in life, and later became a prophet. If there are those who find strength in knowing that someone had a mission to educate, knowing that such an education would mean his own demise, there is inspiration in that. Even if I persuaded a majority of you, through logic in recent messages, to abandon belief in scripture, you need not rid your life of those you'd deem heroes.

However, the concept of Christ being the only one able to save mankind from alleged evil is absolutely false. As I've said previously, everyone... EVERYONE... has the potential to harness the miraculous powers of the soul and defeat the forces that bind. That soul of yours is a gift from God, and unlike all those gifts you receive in life that gather dust in the garage for years, don't discard this one or deny its usefulness.

To read an analogy of exorcism's lack of benefit and blatant counterproductiveness, please visit the following thread:

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...pic=57882&st=15

God Bless You All, and Happy New Year!
Brian

I think what you have to say is very valid, unfourtanetly I've been over this as well, Rosemary is 100% convinced these are ghosts, not trying to be insulting or anything, but yes she needs to evaluate other possibilities before considering them "spirits of the dead"


The thing is, demons are lyers, they can be very tricky, they can come to you in any form they please, Rosemary has come to believe that when she woke up at the time of 3 AM (the Catholic theory of the dwelling time of all demonic activities) that Jesus came to her in the flesh, in my opinion, it was a demonic force only playing her at a straight foward game of theirs.

Wait a minute, are you denying that evil in itself does not exist, are you saying that humans can conquer everything negative within their own grasp?

FrankBlunt, how can you deny evil? Look all around you, to say that everyone can simply calm evil within their own person is completely false, if so, Jesus wouldn't have come to earth, he would have never been born.

Theoligians say that Adam and Eve where given the power to resist the devil, or to fall for the devil's tricks and temptations, the minute Adam and Eve took the fruit, the minute they fell into the hands of the devil and he gained victory of humankind's free will to conquer him, although we may never be for sure, a theory is that God set in place a plan B, seeing as Satan was able to roam in hell and on earth, it became clear that some action was needed, there had to be a plan, in this, God devised a plan to send the perfect human, not the perfect human that was forced to do anything, but a perfect human with loyalty to his creator, the perfect human that was given free will like each and every one of us.

This is why Jesus is referred to as "the son of man", we all know that that it says he was the son of God, but in other terms he is also known as the son of man, the second counterattack to Satan's evil.

God like many others gave Jesus free will, he didn't have to do anything because he was forced too, but rather because he would rather do the will of God than the will of his own.

It even states that the night before his cruxfiction Jesus was overcome by large ammounts of stress and fear, so much, that physically, his face would tear drops of blood as sweat, and many people also say that Jesus almost gave up on the cross, this is why he cryed out(according to the Bible) "Why have you forsaken me?"

Jesus was even given a test, whether he would do the will of the devil, or whether he would do the will of God, he had free choice, he was still in fact, human in every way, it was his free will that he chose to do the will of God and he never turned to the will of Satan, the devil knew who he was, this is why he tried to corrupt Jesus, because he was the ultimate plan that would overthrow his influence on the human race.

The devil even came to Jesus through other people, although Jesus had already walked with Satan and knew him personally, he went through everything he could to defeat Jesus, to stop him.

If the devil had known that Christ was meant to be crucified, he wouldn't have tried and wasted his energy in trying to tempt him, trying to corrupt his will like with Adam and Eve, for the only way Christ would have made a pure sacrafice, was to be cruxfied, so that there would remain holes in his hands and feet, if Satan had known this, he would have backed off in trying to overthrow him, and would have taken little baby steps at a time.

Even when Satan came to him in the form of those he controlled and possessed, Jesus rebuked him, and would not give into fear and temptation, he would instead command the devils to leave those whom in which they had control of, and they fled, because he was not as easily distraught as Adam and Eve where.

Even the devil tried and tried to trick Jesus to every last effort, "who are you? who is your father?"

So in explaining myself, and I hope you've read all of this, I will close that no one has the will to conquer these things alone, it isn't possible, was Jesus created because of Adam and Eve? I say yes, but no one knows for sure and can't determine whether or not it was so, it remains the same in fact, that however, man failed in rebuking the devil because we failed the test, if Jesus did not come, we would all be left alone, in darkness and at the mercy of Satan, however, with this turn in mind, we are not alone, and we can conquer the powers of evil through Christ.

Thank you for reading what I've said and please take this seriously, this is for all of you reading, and again, thanks

Boltwave,

There is nothing universally evil. That's an ancient concept designed to render mankind weak in the face of forces over which he's said to have no power. So, to whom do you turn when faced with this alleged evil? The ones who collect your money every Sunday. Please re-read our conversation from yesterday in the "Possession vs. Mental Illness" thread, where you agreed on my point regarding Adam and Eve. If that element is untrue, then how can any part of the scripture be trusted? Don't we constantly hear of 'lies mixed with truth', and that being an unholy method?

Please also see my response to EDW74. I'm terribly sorry, Boltwave, I really am. I know how much you and so many others in this world want to believe the scripture, but age and tradition alone do not translate to holy status. There have been so many edits by monarchs that no one knows what to trust. Some find comfort in believing it's the message that counts, but why build a structure on such a shaky foundation? Take the message with you if desired, apply it to your own daily life, and rely on your own wits, not that of a bureaucracy. You'll have much more strength in individuality than within any form of membership.

If it's true that Christ did indeed have dealings with malevolent spirits, it is simply unfortunate that humans of the time were led to believe that they were "demons" who could only be suppressed by Christ, and propogated that belief to future generations. I have dealt with the forces that you and Azalin have so frequently referred to as "demons". They're no longer a threat to my life and there was no external intervention whatsoever. I'm visited by spirits constantly, nightly in fact, and not all are well intentioned. Apathy, laughter, and sympathy, as necessary, are my tools. I don't laugh directly at the spirits, because I respect every single one of them, but I laugh privately at the failed effort. You're going to be much happier once you begin to accept all spirits as your brothers and sisters, whether or not they mean you harm.

Apathy is the best defense in most cases, but with the molesting and raping spirits, I utilized sympathy. That's right. I felt sorry for them, and they couldn't stand it. They'd rather pester someone else who releases emotions such as fear, anger, and arousal. Grade school bullies, Boltwave. Grade school bullies, nothing more. Keep that thought forever with you in your spiritual travels. Taxing as it may be to accept, you have the same power that you believe only one former Earthling to have. Everyone does.

One might think that sympathy would sadden me and leave me more vulnerable. Unlike the other emotions such as fear, hate, arousal, and anger, sympathy is a state of mind and remains within me, strengthening me. I'm not breaking down as the spirits would hope with that sentiment. I realize that all spirits who are suffering, whether or not they are frightening others, require understanding and healing. The spirits feed from anger and fear quite vigorously, and the emotions are, quite literally collections of energy being transmitted and received.

I have no clue how physically destructive or grandiose in scale the Emily Rose possession became, and I don't care. Her beating heart could have leaped from her chest and played chopsticks on a nearby piano, and that wouldn't surprise me in the slightest. However, the energy only becomes as powerful as the victim and "support" system allow it. It grows, and grows, and grows the more people get angry at it, fear it, etc. The emotions could almost be thought of in terms of metaphysical protein shakes, causing the spirit to bulk up.

In regard to happenings strictly in the physical realm: buildings are destroyed, cities are bombed, and diseases kill. The terrible things that happen in the physical world are learning experiences, tragic as they may be, not universally evil. And you could be talking about the Holocaust, the attack on the Arizona at Pearl Harbor, Hiroshima/Nagasaki, 9/11: we all learned something from those events, and to label them evil and let it worry you only depletes your level of happiness. They're tragic, undoubtedly, but the past cannot be altered. I assume you're speaking of universal evil, but if I alone choose not to label it evil, then it's not an absolute, is it?

Evil is a man-made perception rooted in misunderstanding and fear, and "demon" is a convenient label often abused. A man who is referred to as evil, such as Osama Bin Laden, is typically confused and scared. Hitler, for example, as a young boy, had brilliant prospects as an artist, and was highly gifted at sketching landscapes, but was denied entry to a prestigious school for his inability to draw the human form. Bitterness ensued. His plight didn't even begin to match my own, but I can still sympathize with his reaction to the rejection and the suffering it causes. So, if the school had allowed him entry, who's to say he wouldn't have become the next DaVinci or Monet? He may have had no impact whatsoever on the Jewish community, countless Germans, or the world as a whole had that pathway opened for him. Was Hitler a bitter, misguided, and destructive proponent of mass genocide, hated by billions to this day? Yes. Do I think his soul is ultimately evil and unable to be healed? No. As one of God's souls, I do not hate him. Hate is self-destructive. It's directed inward and doesn't harm the one being hated by any stretch of the imagination unless that person allows himself to be affected.

Evil is too absolute, and there's not a single human being or soul to whom I would apply it. It's not in my best interest. Giving a soul a perception of having ultimate power over me is foolish, and every spiritual battle would be lost before it began.

I agree with much of what you said, but then again, Satan can drive hate into us, but you are absolutely right when you say that it is foolish to give all negativity over to the power of the devil. Some would even say there is a reaching point, in which someone sins to such an extent they are branded with "the mark of the beast" supposedly your heart is filled with Satan's will 100% and in that stage even if you do repent, your still going to hell, a false assumption I might add, everyone has a choice until they die, I don't know if you even have a choice to repent at that time, who knows really.

It sounds like to me you believe in the ghost phenomena, and not demons or for that matter, Satan, the people that were cleansed by Jesus where in fact not mentally ill, I'm sure Azalin, and educated man may be able to find some verses I believe where Jesus had spoken about mental illness and spiritual possessions.


Again, Satan tried all of his energy on getting Jesus distracted from God's will and turning his own on him, Satan wanted to acheive power of him, making him his servant and at his bidding, Jesus rebuked the devil, and knew everything about his disguises and traps of temptation.

Jesus was even confronted by the evil spirits themselves, they wanted to truly see if Jesus could drive them out, and he did just that. with great power in mind, but here's my point, Jesus appointed those that understood his power to follow in his footsteps and to drive out evil spirits with his assistance.

If you are ignoring the spirits, but they won't go away and continue to visit you, why not at least give effort and shun them away for good, it sounds like your saying if you came across a person demonically possessed you would ignore their problems and that person will be miracolusly healed.

There are two sides actually, we can give the devil power by acknowledging him and the fear he inflicts, or we can ignore him and allow him to gain even more access to those he chooses.

H.G. Well's greatest quote is stated right here:

"The greatest lie the devil ever played on the world was to say he never existed, or that he existed too much."

That's all I have to say on the manner

Boltwave,

I said nothing of giving power to the devil. Also, you should know by now that arguing scripture with me holds no authority.



These are my brothers and sisters, troubled or not. I'm one of several who has the ability to perceive them, and I'm also in a position to help them as I do not fear them. It's obvious that you entirely missed my point, because shunning those with ill will grants them a sense of power over me, and I would be returned to square one as in 1999. I can be bothered by dust, but it's ever present, so I have to live with it and accept it. Sometimes, I'm going to sneeze, but I can't call the doctor over every, tiny sniffle.

I don't know if you read one of my first posts on this forum or not, but I saw the faces in spirit of two deceased co-workers on the mornings of their deaths before I knew that they were dead. That other realm has gray areas, and little if anything is black and white.

God Bless,
Brian

Well then, this would mean you have come across spiritual reflections of the past, not external spirits themselves, even a professional demonoligist would tell you the same, demons are external, ghosts are just spiritual gaps here and there.

If you have only read the old testament no wonder the scripture has no value to you, I follow the new testament, not so much what the old testament says.

In all respect, I think you should probably consider reading the new testament instead of turning the entire Bible away just from reading the old writings, the old testament doesn't really have any signifigance regarding our present time, however when Jesus had wrote and spoke of what was to come, you will see a glimpse of my perspective.

Until then, your opinion is valid in some areas, but I feel there are some objections to what you've said but otherwise it is your opinion and your entitled to it as I am mine

Blesss you, Boltwave. Your convictions on the subject of demonology are sure to become the subject of many legends.

I'd like to ask you a favor. Not for me, but for Rosemary. Do you know why she comes to this website? No, it's not for help. She wants reinforcement from those such as yourself and Azalin that she's plagued by demons. Every time she sees a shred of apparent credibility, whether it be via scripture quotations or exorcism resume citations by "professionals", she feels secure in the knowledge that her 20 year battle has been beyond her control.

To accept that she could have won this fight on her own many years ago by letting happiness and light into her life, forgetting her sorrows, knowing that the pain need not control her, and that her abilities through the awesome powers of the human soul are as strong as those of any who have come before her, seems too much to bear. She wants to feel that she has done everything that she possibly could, and this all has intimate ties to her sense of self worth. It is depression that plagues her, not demons. The spirits are exploiting her depression.

Rosemary,

Please leave this place, and never return. If you cannot find happiness by your own means, do speak with a therapist who may have an action plan to treat you accordingly.

I love you, Rosemary. I am so terribly sorry for this battle that has depleted you of joy for nearly a quarter century. That is much too long, and please know, that whatever happens, you may come to me at the conclusion of this life for comfort and the respect that you deserve. God bless you, and best wishes in your quest for peace and serenity.

Staying out of the inter-poster situation, I would however like to echo most of Frank's sentiment in that at the very least, I think Rosemary should reconsider her position of what is going on with her and the ultimate reality of its causes, etc. I'm not going to disagree or deny, but only urge her to keep an open mind BOTH directions, and remember that it is okay to be a human, capable of flaw, weakness and doubt in life - it is only our convictions and decisions which with which we meet our human limitations that serve to accumulate quantity and ultimate, quality, of consciousness.

To be honest, I'm starting to change my opinion and rather look at this from another way that perhaps Rosemary may be suffering from mental illness, if she's not mentally ill, fine, but then that only means that these spirits are getting the best of her and possibly controlling everything in within her mind, and to be honest, the spirits have had victory unless this psychic seance stuff can finally be put to rest, that would be the best thing to consider especially when this has been going on for so long

Boltwave,

I understand completely. But please do not refer to Rosemary or anyone else as mentally ill. She suffers from depression, as do I, and while you may not have experienced anything of the sort, a heightened level of compassion is well advised.

That label, while widely accepted by the psychiatric profession, doesn't help her, anyone else in like circumstances, or even you. If you read my response in the "Ghost and Puberty" thread, you may acknowledge how harmful depression can become to those who are not actively suffering: the innocent bystanders on the road, the spouses and significant others in the bed, strangers across the street, etc.

It's not easy to get one's point across on the Internet. And in public I'd be assassinated for speaking in the manner in which I have been. Please realize, Boltwave, that scripture cannot be considered your opinion, as it was not your writing in the first place. You've been taught not to make any attempts at interpretation, as you are believed to lack the understanding of the original authors. Sadly, not even the pope can make claim to knowing the original intent.

If you were in grade school, and were told initially that you would need to repeat kindergarten through twelfth grade for the remainder of your natural born life, would that make sense to you? You're an intelligent, young man. You have a good head about you, and your skepticism is more thoughtful and responsible than most any other opposition I've faced in recent years. If the New Testament inspires you, that's wonderful. But my concern is for the countless people who have been taught to fear that which they need not fear. I had no choice but to employ the logic of the 'proof negating faith' concept, and it was not my designated goal to offend Bible lovers. The Bible is at the very heart of this outdated and socially destructive fear of evil. Our faith needs to empower us, not oppress us and leave us waiting for one individual, when we've had the power to ourselves all this time.

Billions upon billions of dollars per year will be funneled instead to secular, corporate sources if my goal of opening minds and providing comfort to those who have been made to feel oppressed succeeds. From my perspective, I couldn't care less if people burned the money when this was all over. My agenda is spiritual, not financial nor social. I've made a few friends here, and I'm absolutely astounded by the complete absence of spam [Sorry, spiced ham-inspired, electronic junk mail].

I arrived at most of these conclusions on organized religion years ago, not only through an intense philosophy involving process of elimination, but through direct experience in the metaphysical realm. You may be interested in reading the accounts of my out-of-state friend who visited me in spirit form on countless occasions, and revealed the details of our collective dreams on subsequent days prior to me mentioning a word to her in regard to them. 'Good and Evil' / 'Black and White' sound verbally dramatic, but their appearance is quite unattractive if you fail to see the beautiful benign and gray areas between.

shame on your for dragging out that old chestnut Mental Illness just because you haven't walked in my shoes or learned the things I have about the Supernatural.
I realize some of the things I have been writing may seem far out to some of the people who haven't developed their Psychic abilities to the point I have but as time goes on and your delve into this more you will realize as I do that somethings that seem Impossible are in fact very possible.
As I told you in these postings I have done one of the Reasons my Three Relatives and Dr. P. have done these things to me and interferred with my work is they wanted to try to stop me from working with the other Guides who wanted to write good things and these four will stop at nothing to try to stop my work and they jump for joy when people like you write these things such as Mental Illness and things like that.
Old Dr. P. is just another rejected suitor from this Lifetime and from beyond the Veil of Death he tries to hang on to someone he never possessed in this Lifetime.
the fact is they are the only Evil Spirits I have had contact with in the 20 years I have been doing this all the other Souls I am in communication with are good helpful wonderful Spirits who want to educate many about Life After Death but since these four insist on doing this I am going to continue to tell the World there are a few asses in the Spirit World just as there are on Earth and I am speaking only about Dr. Petas when I say that mean word.
But no I have no mental Problem, I am just a Psychic trying to channel good information from the Spirit World and tell the World there are a few mean ones like my three Relatives and Dr. P. who are just as selfish and mean beyond the Veil of Death as they were when they walked the Earth.

Anyone that reads her posts as a whole can only come to the conclusion that mental illness is a very real possiblity. It is the only one that makes sense.

Eric, if she says that she is possessed by no less than four spirits that control her ability to type and use punction, and gets visited (with incredible stories no less) by Jesus, Albert Einstein, John Kennedy, and Pat Nixon among others and has been turned down by priests when asking for an excorcism, than who are we to play the mental illness card?

I would like to say that I am not Depressed at all.
I am calm and rational at all times but sometimes I do get a little discouraged to try to tell the World about some of my experiences as a Psychic Channel and realize that maybe no one will ever really believe what I am telling them.
Oh sure I get exhausted at times when I go to bed and try to get a good nights sleep and the four Evil Spirits bounce and tear at my brain alnight as I sleep and I get up with a brain filled with pain.
I get discourated when three of my Relatives and Dr. P. in Spirit crawl in and out of my body alnight along with bouncing on my brain and they are beside themselves with glee when I try to tell people what they are doing and someone says I am just dillisunional or Mentally Ill.
what is happening here is not pleasant at the hands of these Spirits but over and above this is the Miracle that they are alive in the Spirit World and although they are mean and Spiteful they are still nevertheless proving that they are alive in the Spirit World and they still have all their memories and feelings of hate, spite and meanness that they had here on Earth and they would like everyone to know while they all of these things they still are not what you believe to be Demons.
No they are just the Spirits of those who died before their time and who don't want to be dead at all.
Instead they want to be down here celebrating New Years and getting Drunk and pinching girls on the behind and all the things they did when they walked the Earth but this is not what Angels are supposed to be thinking and these are the things they want all of you to know.
They are reading some of these posts here about whether they exist in the Spirit World and whether they should be orbs or ghosts or shadow people and they say they don't give a damn what you call them they want you to know they are alive in the Spirit World and writing here with me through Automatic Writing.
And as someone in the Spirit World writes here I want you all to know I am laughing because I never know what they are going to write when I sit down here.
And this is Psychic Research to say yes they are really alive in the Spirit World where we all go after we are done with our Earth Life.

Or it could mean I am one H... of a Psychic who has had all these Unbelievable Experiences and its just too much for the average person to Believe.

I bet if you run this by many others Psychics like Sylvia Brown and some of the other ones you will see that they would not be surprised at all by what I am writing.
These are the things that people learn and the things they try to pass on to the World after they get into a more advanced Stage of Spirit Communication.
Of course as you get more into these things you will no longer be surprised either by the things that Psychics Learn about the After Life.

Administrators,

It is time to revoke Ericraven's website privileges. Rosemary has been struggling with this for over 20 years and is deserving of much more respect than she's receiving.

Also, we are on the verge of generating peace and understanding between forces thought of as ultimate good and ultimate evil for far too many centuries. Now is not the time for immaturity and careless skepticism.

Frank,

It is not your decision when a persons posting priveledges are to be revoked.

If you wish to report a post then please use the "Report" button in order to let a moderator know when you think that someone is out of line.

As for erics post I am dealing with that right now.

I really look forward to "generating peace and understanding between forces thought of as ultimate good and ultimate evil for far too many centuries", after endless millennia of the battle between good and evil, I am proud to see that it is going to be resolved here on this forum.

I will make sure that no one gets in the way of your endevour.

Fluffybunny,

I'm sorry that you see so little benefit in the Internet as a means of bridging communication between parties that would not otherwise meet under most circumstances. Have you considered the possibility that a few of these readers and members might be copying and pasting to document files and sharing with friends, family, and co-workers?

Don't sell your website short. And you're welcome to join us in the Demontacular thread. You might just learn something about yourself from a certain someone of whom you have no previous acquaintance if the sarcasm is laid on too thick. Sarcasm is the lowest form of humor, and it's not a generator of happiness for all involved. Please show due respect at all times.

How is any of this different from the person who claims to be Jesus? She has a delusional disorder and needs to seek medical treatment. She refuses to do so because she is the one that is rational and we are the ones who are delusional. Her statements, visions, and experiences can be repeated by thousands who suffer from schizophrenia. By interacting with her you feed her delusions. My mum works with people who claim the exact same things that she does until they are placed on a medicine regime. Then suddenly they are freed from possession, or the people that watch them, or fill in the blank. She has probably had this problem for years but interpreted the voices that she has heard to angels, ghosts etc. This day in age no one and I mean no one should have to live this sort of existence. Until Rosemary encounters someone who cares enough for her to help her get the help she needs she will continue to be delusional and post her cries for help on this forum.

I don't want anyones writing privileges revoked because we disagree.
I believe this back and fourth discussion is necessary for all of us to exchange ideas and disagree.
I know some of the things I am telling everyone sounds unbelievable but I promise they are all true and I am perfectly sane.
These four Spirits may be sitting inside my body for the Rest of my Life for all I know and I may find out that no one in the universe has any control over them for all I know.
I just thought I would share my experiences in case anyone else ever has a Spirit Attack because believe me its very hard to get people to believe these things.

Perhaps some of those people are experiencing Psychic things and don't understand what is happening to them.
Surely you can see that a Psychiatrist without any experiences along the lines of what I am talking about might fill someone with pills and put them in a Hospital but that doesn't mean the Doctor is right and the Person who is Psychic has something wrong with them.
When Edgar Cayce began doing these things they called him a Quack and threw him out of Hotels and arrested him and all sorts of things and that was way back in the Fourties, I had hoped that the modern person with all the knowledge out there would have advanced further than that.
Perhaps it will take some of you a little longer to become enlightened but I believe there is hope for you in the future if you try to learn some of the things I am telling you by trying to learn more about the Paranormal and try to develop your Psychic gift then you will see as I have that these things are not dillussional but true.
and one day when its your time to go to the spirit World and you want someone to listen to you and work with you you will be happy that I tried to get people to learn from me.

I'm sorry, but I have to agree with her Rosemary, I'm a little skeptic about this whole thing about you having visual encounters with Albert Einstein, John f. Kennedy, and especially Jesus is begining to make me wonder if possibly this is a mental illness.

BuyMeAPony is right about this one, please go out and seek some professional help, I keep hearing day after day of when I come on here about "psychic channeling" and speaking with "dead relatives from beyond" it just doesn't make sense, we are going in circles with this, and then everyone doesn't believe her opinions, well, there are many reasons to why most people here don't, and I have my doubts on this as well.

Rosemary, even if this is spiritual, you are are going about this the wrong way, you are trying everything in the book that isn't supposed to meddled with, seances, psychic readings, it's all under a heavy influence of dark powers that have gotten the best of you.

Please look at other possibilites, I highly doubt it was the real Jesus that came to you and said you will be the one to prove life after death, well, if this prophecy is true, you have made all the claims you could possibly get at, and many people still don't believe you.

I was just about to say the same thing, this is no different then what my sister has had to work with, she has met some crazy people, many of them have claimed to be Jesus themselves.

I will say that my uncle, 49, has also made similar statements in the past, everything from having "spirits" "inside" him or with him (including my mother's), to his (living) mom/my grandmother having "psychic connections" with him and constantly "in his head", etc.

He was finally diagnosed with manic-depressive bi-polar disorder with features of schizophrenia and paranoia. After years of medication and therapy he is... better, and is still on medication but no longer complains about "spirits" around him or "psychic connections" - he does, however, have his trailer filled with icons from various religions and cultures, from dreamcatchers to tribal masks, Aztec deities, angels, Egyptian statues, a giant bust of Athena and faeries.

He still occasionally prays to each of these on occasion, or sometimes together, with his favorite being "Abigail the Fat Faerie Who's Too Fat To Fly" - he smiles and laughs about the name and silly motto but is quite serious that this really is her designation. He does not and did not participate in any sort of occult activities and is in fact three hours from having a Masters in Psychology.

He can talk rationally and calmly sometimes about his worst and most acute times of trouble, and refers to them as "back when I was crazy". He now receives permanent mental disability checks and seems quiet but appears to be relatively content and helps take some people from their house to AA meetings, etc, and sometimes he goes to a nearby town to shop, etc.

I do not have Seances and never said I have.
Everyone of the people that I have mentioned have died and they are very much alive in the Spirit World and can speak through any channel who can pick them up including me.
You people who talk about me having a mental problem just don't know what you are talking about but you are right nothing I say could convince you of these things and I really don't care I just thought when I logged on here that I would share some of my experiences with you and perhaps incourage you who wish to to try it your self but I can see that you just aren't ready for the kinds of things that I am talking about so carry on because I have better things to do than try to share my knowledge with a group of people who are no more enlightened than you are.
However I believe your curiosity has been whetted now and I think you will go on to do more research and learn more about what I'm talking about and who knows maybe one day when you are better educated along these lines you will realize that I was telling the truth and trying to share some wonderful knowledge with you hoping that one day when I die there would be a few understanding channels here on Earth that I could write through.

Rosemay there are people here willing to listen and help where they can. You must realize there are people here that must draw attention by hatefulness or making derogatory comments. Your going to have that in any forum. For those people you can block them or do like I do, ignore them.

The help is here, just open your eyes.

I do not believe anyone has been hateful of derogatory. It is unfortunate that you believe that those who do not buy into the possession interpretation of her situation would automatically be placed into those categories. If she didn’t want to encounter sceptical opinions on this forum she should not have posted comments that others will see as ludicrous.

I do not believe that Rosemary is wrong to voice her fears and concerns. I do not believe any of this stems from an attempt at her having a p*sstake on all of us. I firmly believe that she thinks she has had visits from Einstein and Jesus. She probably whole heartedly believes that she alone holds the secret to what really when down on that grassy knoll. My comment about her condition merely stated that her claims are not original. Suffers of mental illness could give you a run down of all the important people that have visited them, and information that only they are privy to. Visit my mums ward and meet Jason (name changed of course), the bloke who swears that he has tea with the Queen every afty and that she shares with him secrets on how to survive the end of the world. He also knows the secrets of the ancient Egyptians, and doesn’t like to take his meds because they contain microchips that Interpol can keep tabs on him through. This is the reality of mental illness. It is neither hateful nor derogatory, it is simply the truth.




That is just too adorable. Wouldnt that be lovely if she was real

I'm not trying to discredit Rosemary, I've tried to be helpful and given my opinion on her situation. I must say that if all is as it seems for her then my heart goes out to her, and I pray she finds the release she seeks.

Now on the other hand. I also need to say that every day I log on, come to this forum and browse the topics, I notice that Rosemary's story becomes even more and more complex. It has many elements, which are completely fantastical. Rosemary, it seems, everyday has something new to report. It has gotten to the point that it seems like a bad B-movie that should have gone straight to DVD. I must say that after all the things I've seen and read on the subject(s) of possession, mental illness and overactive imagination, I find that Rosemary's problems are too complex to have so little detail, and I simply cannot buy into any of it anymore.

Rosemary, I offer the lords prayer for you, in the event that I am mistaken in my view of your situation. I also will say the lords prayer and a Hail Mary for you, whether you are going through the afflictions that you claim or not you need more help than I am able to give, or to direct you to. I apologize if I have offended you. I sincerely pray that you find peace.

I will not be returning to this thread again.

I agree, this is just too much, I'm going to sit out this one thank you

Sorry if anyone took a offense. I will also sit out this thread from now on. It is just too disturbing.

It's very sad that denial prevents her seeing the whole picture, but unfortunately it's something she will have to deal with herself if she won't take any help on board. We cannot force her to listen to our advice and act on what we say.

No offense, but I am not in denial, I am just telling others about some of my Experiences since this is Unexplained Mysteries Forum.
I have never expected anyone to save me, just wanted to tell about some of my Experiences, but had several priests stepped forward and agreed to do an Exorcism I would have been open to that just to see if they could actually force Spirits from a Body then I would have proof of what happens during an Exorcism.
I have personaly found the Bible, Holy water and many other suggested remedies ineffective against Evil Spirits but I still try them anyway because you never know when a Magic Potion will work.
Perhaps if my head rotated or I vomited green vomit, or something like that it might have been more believable.

I don't give a Rats Ass what you say about your Uncle, my case is the truth and perhaps one day if you have the same thing happen to you or someone else has such an experience it could then be more believable and if that happens I hope you have better luck telling your story than I have.