if she believes shes posessed, then let her be.
just as long as she doesn't start killing people and blames it on posession..im fine with that.
i think people who think they are posessed are the same kind of people who believes they are vampires, or some re-incarnated famous historical figures.. just people who seeks some sort of self worth or belonging or explaination for their troubled mind and lives...i say let them believe. but just make sure they don't have any guns in their hands while they are around you lol.

You are wrong.
However people who have not had such an experience or had anything like this to compare it to will not believe and there is no way for me to prove it and this is why I have just been writing about my own personal experiences so if anyone else who reads it has such an experience they would realize it can happen and when it does there is no one much who believes.

But yes make no mistake about it its all real, and I am not dillussional and I don't need a Psychiatrist because Psychiatrists who don't believe don't know what to do about these things.

its crazy how people think that shes ill and crazy....

there are many psychologists who are open to the possibility of a spiritual world.

however, if you go in there showing all of the tell-tale signs of a mental illness (or what you believe to be a possession), it is their job to suggest medication. and they know their stuff, so chances are that, if they suggest some medication, it would be in your best interest to take it... regardless of how much it may hurt your pride. like i have said time and time again, it is necessary to rule out mental illness before turning to the paranormal.

anyhow, if you find a psychiatrist open to the paranormal, they will know the difference between genuine possession and mental illness.

rosemary, i don't understand why you continue to balk and refuse to seek help. so i am going to agree with those others who say it is probably more of an attention stunt/addiction and leave the topic alone for now.

Some people may need proof but I don't and I don't need a Doctor who believes in filling people with pills to cure their Psychic Abilities.

A Psychic Gift is the ability to communicate with and see those beyond the Veil of Death and its a Natural thing.

I realize that many people find it hard to believe that I receive as much Psychic Information as I do but to me after all the time I have been doing it its just routine and the only fly in the Ointment in my life are my three Relatives and Dr. Petas and I am right now trying to solve that problem the old fashioned way with the help of my other Guides in the Spirit World who are trying to help me rid them through cleansings rituals and or exorcisms and since I am not using an Earth Priest a Priest in the Spirit World is advising me on this situation.

So if you want to see Doctors and take pills that is your perogative but don't try to force your ways on me.

I was only telling a story here to try to educate others who are interested in communicating with the Spirit World some of the things that can go wrong and that its hard to get others to understand or believe and some Possessed people through ignorance from those who don't understand end up like Emily Rose did.

Wow. I have been reading this thread for ages....and it goes on for just as long too, lol.

Rosemary. If this is becasue of psychic abilities, I don't think pills for mental illness would stop that. It is a gift that would not be affected by pills or such, at least that's what I think.

If however it was a mental illness, the possession might stop, but since you say you are psychic before this, it shouldn't affect anything other than the possession and not anything else.

Sorry if that just made no sense...what I am trying to say is, if the pills don't work if you ever did go to a psychiatrist/psychologist (I get these two confused with each other) then yes, it is definitely spirits/demons/relatives that are attacking you. And I see it as more of a demonic thing than anything your relatives could do, unless they said certain things to you when they were still alive (in which case they would be called'evil' anyway right?)

I'm sorry, I kind of skipped some of this thread in the middle, so if I missed anything it is my fault.

But still, I think you should at least keep an open mind yourself and try ALL possibilities of getting rid of this, but you keep refusing to. Why?

SilverWolf, welcome to UM

We're still waiting for the answer to that last question. Maybe the more people new to this thread who ask the same will convince Rosemary that it's not all a big conspiracy to defame her by a few regular users; we just all want to see her get through this terrible situation and any advice offered is towards that end.

I'm sitting here at 3 a.m. reading these posts and I can see that you all mean well but still don't understand the truth of this situation.

I can see that people may not believe if they haven't experienced some of the things I am writing about but they are still true.

You can't go to most Psychiatrists and tell them this story because if they don't believe in these things it would be no more effective than telling the Story on this Forum to nonbelievers and that's what I'm trying to get across to you.

As far as these Evil Spirits having the power to cause me to do violent things they of course can't do that because I know who they are and what they are but in the beginning they did manage to scare me and my family very much and we would sleep with the lights on and all sorts of things but now I know all they can do is sit inside my body and rant and rave.

You can imagine how hard it is to get people to believe what is happening to me and so I don't display any signs of being possessed to people I meet in my everyday Life, to them I am calm and rational and only I know what the Evil Spirits are doing and saying from inside my body.

I have learned to deal with them because I do have friendly Spirit Guides around me in the Spirit World who help me be strong each day and I don't know how I would strong against these four if it weren't for the others who appear and talk to me and help me each day.

But I know its hard for others who don't have this problem to believe this can happen and the only reason I have told this story is to try to tell others this can happen.

I have told some in the Spirit World I will stop writing here but they came back and said no I must write until I educate people better about these things being real.

I even spoke to my Relatives and Dr. Petas again yesterday and said trying to get this story across to non-believers is not working as they hoped and I believe if they want to convince others that they are being Evil Spirits and make believers out of them they should get out of my body and go convince others that they are doing this.

They could of course start with some of non-believer Relatives and in that case if they wanted to they could appear to them nice like they did when they were on Earth and when I see them they would say things like aunt Carrie and George appeared and they aren't evil as you say and I think you just didn't like them and are making it up.

The impiortant thing would be if they could appear to them and talk to them and cause them to pay attention to them and admit they are alive and communicating with them.

Yesterday I told them this would be one way for them to save face and get out of my body and make a decision to stop this themselves before the Paranormal Group and the Demonologist appears.

I must say I am not sure what will happen with a Demonologist and if they can solve this problem or not but I am hoping they can at least pick up spirit activity on the equipment they are bringing.

Of course I am hoping if they decide not to leave that a Demonologist can put them all to death?

I just found something on the Internet through Research that I think might be interesting reading for those who don't believe my story.

I entered the words 'Spirit Possession'
The reading is so informative and appears to know the same things that I am writing about Spirit Possession.

There is a whole page about Spirit Possession and how they come about and how to deal with it and I thought I would just pass that information along to those who might like to read it and learn more and possibly believe.

I intend to try some of the Cleansing techniques they list.
So far nothing else has worked.

That's what we've been saying ever since, Rosemary doesn't take any advice besides that what she wants to hear, she's in her own world of what she considers the "spiritual world" she will never consider any possible medical or psychological advice in the near time future, which if anything, may affect her entire person and could cripple her for life.

Maybe she is frustrated at everyone who is repeating themselves over and over.

If anyone is repeating themselves it's Rosemary, there are allot of people here that are giving Rosemary insight and if we are repeating things over and over it's usually because she's not listening or we're going in circles with this conversation.

The same can be said for you as well which puts us in a never ending cycle which leds us nowhere.

Then why don't you and everyone else who cares to reply to Rosemary.........NOT reply anymore. That way, we can get on with our lives outside this ridiculous post of hers that wasn't ridiculous until she made it that way by replying constantly to herself and trolling other threads just to push this thread of hers on everyone else on this site. If we let bygones be bygones and just freaking let this subject drop already....we can go onto other subjects here in the forum. Anyone agree?

agreed. if rosemary doesn't want any help, there is absolutely no point for this thread to be in existence. it's as pointless as all of the religious debates on the forum. we just go round and round and round and take up space, but we never get anywhere, because people are idiots and refuse to let logical thoughts enter their brains.

if rosemary didnt want help then she wouldnt have started this freakin thread!

so have you seen her accept any of our suggestions? what kind of hope is she wanting? we can't help her if she won't listen to us. so what would you propose doing to help her?

Anything wrong in just listening to someone? Perhaps that in its self helps more then words can say. If this thread is worthless then why are all us me included still posting on it. Perhaps there is a hidden lesson on here somewhere.

Not trying to be sarcastic nor trying to insult you but if you feel that way why did you reply to me? You probably read the messages posted on this thread today and yet here we are.

i think we have all listened to her PLENTY.

Hope when you need someone to listen to you that someone will be there. Everyone needs someone and I just feel that perhaps letting her talk helps her.

Well ya know, I'm going to try to get out of this cycle of things and put it this way: "I'm not going to take any advice from someone who believes in another person who doesn't know the meaning of thinking outside of the box"

That is one's opinion and I try to be neutral and give people the benefit of the doubt. Thinking outside the box perhaps you also think inside it once it a while for a different prespective. Not meant to be insulting but I try to look at the whole box not one part of it.

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I've been reading everyone this morning and everything seems to be going along as usual.

Now settle down class because everyone is getting too excited.

First of all when I came on here I really didn't expect anyone to save me all I wanted to do after seeing some of the posts that were made long ago and I realized there are people who are curious about the Spirit World and the Guides said we should tell our story here so that some of the children just dabbling in the Paranormal will know what happened in this situation.

And of course we thought if we told my story that people would realize that Possessions are one of the things we might have to deal with if we want to venture beyond the Veil of Death.

Now I know the story I told seems unbelievable but nontheless true, a possession problem can't be solved easily because most people react to the truth of possessions much like the Responses I got here.

First of all they take everything in the bible as Gospel Truth which they are supposed to do and I believe the Deciples got a little carried away in telling us about Demons and Fallen Angels and failed to tell us that Demons and Fallen Angels can be the man next door or down the street who died in a violent or sudden way and he or she may not want to go quietly and so they come back sometimes and cause problems for those still on earth.

I know from first hand experience its not easy to know how to deal with a Possessing Spirit or a Group of Possessing Spirits and at this time I am not sure how to get them out but I do know I am no longer afraid of them and I also know they don't have dominance over me or anyone on Earth because they are trapped, frightened and helpless inside my body because one of the Guides told them he is going to destroy them if they don't repent when they leave my body.

That was 20 years ago and I have told them we have no proof that a Dominant Spirit is going to appear and wipe them off the Universe and they should come out and quietly walk away and do it in a docile manner just in case there is a Big Powerful Spirit up there who can cause them to disappear.

They should not challenge in anyway and they should walk quietly praying to God for salvation and I think they will not have anymore problems.

You can't get them out by taking a pill to mask the pain, and most Psychiatrists without experience in this field don't believe or don't know what to do to solve the problem.

I choose not to take a pill to mask the problem but instead I intend to find out how and if someone can forcibly remove an Evil Spirit from the Human Body.

How do you for example know that some of you don't have the same problem I have?

Is it because a Doctor told you the voices you hear is mental Illness and a Pill will solve the problem?

Perhaps some of you need an Exorcism?

If that were true would you know where to find an Exorcist?

Would your family or a Doctor believe you or would he fatten his bank account and give you some expensive pills and hope no one ever convinced all the people who hear voices that they are possessed?

Or would you resort to trying to solve the Problem by telling a Story on a Forum like I have done not only to try to solve the problem but also to Educate others about the truth about Spirit Possession.

if the pills stopped the voices, then the person would not be possessed. if the voices continued after medical treatment, then they could begin to consider the possibility of possession.

The pills might stop the voices and you wouldn't hear them but the pills would not remove the Spirits from the Human Body and it would not stop the pain the Spirits cause by tearing violently at the Brain and things like that.

I am not trying to be argumentative all I am trying to do is say no matter what we take its not the answer to removing the Enities from the Body.

I suppose the pain could be masked by a strong pain pill instead of masking the thoughts with a Tranquilizer.

Several years ago I fell on the ice and broke my arm and had to go through an extensive physical to make sure I was alright to have the surgery and all the time I was going through the unpleasant task of having dies run through my arteries and things to check my heart before surgery these four kept right on causing discomfort.

They have attacked me through that surgery and having a large pin put into my arm and they have caused me pain during all the pain masking tranquilizers I was given to deal with the surgery and they have gone through two Breast Surgeries (all benign) all the time trying to brainwash me into believing I would die by showing me graves and shovels and Grave Blankets and the like so I feel I have weathered this storm pretty well and now its time to tell this story and tell people exactly what its like to have this happen to me and no one believe it.

I'm not trying to tell a sad story for Sympathy I am trying to tell the World how heartless and Cruel my three Relatives and Dr. Petas have been over the past 20 years while no one believes me.

I'm hoping through telling this story and education that more Priests will be made available to people like me without going through all the marlarky about speaking in strange tongues and displays of brutel like strength and all the things we are told.

When Dr. Petas was on Earth he spoke Broken English being from Greek Extraction and if he wanted me to appear possessed he would have me babbling Greek but no he won't utter a word of Greek.

why have you not tried an exorcism??

Okay how can you assume that when you are listening to someone like Rosemary? I am about other possibilites than just one, I'm sorry if you haven't realized that by now, you seem to be someone that is all about ghosts and wandering spirits and spirit guides just like Rosemary, yet people who think like you do don't see the picture for what it really is.

Other people have said this, but if you believe in the good in our world then you must believe in the evil, because without evil, what is good? Where did evil come from? Did man just make it up out of sheer anger? Is there no such thing as the devil? That can't be true, because no one is 100% evil, and if no one is 100% evil (as FrankBlunt stated) then there is no such thing as a evil, because everything has it's source of energy, but yet, where does it come from? The human spirit? I think not.

There are allot of Christians out there who make the same mistake as well, believe it or not, most of them today believe Christ came to save us from ourselves, THIS IS FALSE!

Those who do not see the devil cannot see the main transaction for Christ's sacrafice, no recelation of what it means, it wasn't to save it from ourselves, it was to save us from the devil, how many times must I explain this?

Even Azalin has said this, he is a former priest, he is man of faith and trusts god with everything, I know this because I can tell, he believes in ghosts, but even him, (a demonologist I might add) stated that the human spirit cannot possess a living being because they are still a human spirit and nothing more, how can a simple human spirit take over another? They can't, it's impossible because they are exactly the same, ghosts have no overwhelming strength to pull from their own selves, and in very rare cases fo they ever return to the physical earth.

This time I'm going to ask you this simple question: how can someone believe in Christ and not the devil? What is the point? What's so important with Jesus' protection if there in fact is no satan? Allot of Christians don't even read the bible! Demons are eternal beings, much more powerful than a human spirit, but in the same sense god created them, and together with someone's will power and the power of god, they can defeat them.

Do you not see Satan's influence on our world? Have you no concious that we are fighting a war and all humanity is stuck in between to pick our sides? Either you are an ally to the devil or an ally to god, even an atheist (whether they know it or not) is picking a side, look at it this way, people say that it is up to you of whether or not to let Satan take over, and that assumption, is as everything else that I've pointed out (as in terms opposing my statements) is false, but why is it false? Because the devil has two roles that he mainly and specifcally takes on: 1) to destroy man from the face of the earth 2) to corrupt the followers of god.

I think I've said enough.

I do not believe in the traditional ways of any faith because I would rather explore many different explainations to find my own truth. I believe this world could not exist without it being a balanced one with the good and bad in it. Personally I feel if you believe in a Devil you are giving it power over you by feeding it with belief of it's existance. I do not expect you to change your beliefs for they are your own. Mine are just that my own and not everyone understand but neither do I understand theirs. I cannot prove to you or Azalin that I feel the spirit of a deceased person and that I do know that a spirit can enter another person's body. Our spirit is housed in a body and that feels natural to the spirit and so why could that spirit want another body? I do not know why spirits always enter bodies but sometimes I feel they to give a message to a loved one. Not all reasons I believe a spirit can enter another body is a bad one. That is how I feel and for you it is not a possibility but that is okay for me. I am not trying to presuade you feel differently here. I just feel if someone says thank you for your concern but I do not agree to then let that go. You tried to help that is something most people of my generation won't even attempt to do. I admire someone willing to help another but they also have to want the help too and Rosemary's needs to walk her path. I believe it is real for Rosemary and my prayers go out to her. I shall try not judge another the same way I would not want to be judged myself.There is always a reason for the paths we choose even if we feel it is a dangerous one. I believe that good can come from something so horrible that you felt you would not survive. I had something like that happen to me and something good came out of later on. I am grateful for my pain for that pain has helped me to become a stronger person.

I'll agree with that, and I will take what you've said into consideration with Rosemary

I don't believe you.

Join the club.

Cool with me because I did not ask you to believe me if that was directed toward me. What do you believe if you do not mind that I ask?

It would help if Qarrah stated who they didn't believe

Maybe they disbelieve all of us

Bebi I guess they did not believe any of us because they have not come back to the thread.

Bless, are we really that scary? LOL

All right, after going through much of this thread I can see it is going nowhere. It is much the same thing over and over again, and since this is not bringing about any meaningful discussion I am closing this thread.