We all know about Dolly, the cloned Sheep. Other animals have of course been cloned, but nothing as complex as a Human. South Korea is attempting to clone a Human. The reason America (whom can do it faster than South Korea I'm sure) is not attempting to clone a Human is because of stupid ethics; it's not moral.

If ur' comin' here, you might as well vote in the poll.

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I personally would not clone humans sex is so much a better way of making a human. I don't see the benefits in human cloning, but if people want to clone all the power to them.

I just want to know I have copyright protection laws protecting me when it comes to somebody stealing my DNA and selling a clone of me on the black market as a sex slave.

AIDS anyone?

what about AIDS? clones get aids, cloning give aids, what?

Cloning has been proven to be very very uneconomical, and hard to get it done right. When you clone an animal, you clone the age of the dna of that animal, and in doing so the animal may look like it's a baby but it'll die at the age that the doner dies at. That is, unless it has an imperfection which many clones have which will make them die even sooner. In fact, we'd have to have huge baby farms almost the same as the ones in "brave new world" for us to actually have any success at all because it takes sooo many egg cells to work.

Of course it's a great idea. Extra organs, extra body parts, extra blood. Clones could come in very handy; but I'm sure, like everything else, there are draw backs.

Yea, like only their souls

If that's the only draw back you can come up with that isn't very impressive.

Who says clones have souls? And if I remember correctly, there is nothing factual saying there is even any such thing.

What's the point of cloning? It doesn't solve any problems for us. I don't see why we really need it.

EDIT: I'm talking about making a full human clone. Cloning organs is helpful, but cloning a full human isn't.

I'm not for cloning, but according to clonaid.com, these were a few reasons:

• Infertile couples: we have received many requests from infertile couples who cannot have children even after years of infertility treatments. For those people cloning is the only way to have a child of their own genetic offspring.
• Homosexuals: they cannot have a child today that is 100% related to them genetically but human cloning will provide this possibility for them.
• Families who lost a beloved relative: human cloning can give life a second time to the same genetic code who has died at an early age for example

Very good reasons, this just adds to how useful clones can be.

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Well since it violates our own international law, it seems very unlikely that it will ever happen legally in the united states. It also goes against the christian belief that god is the only creator of life. (Which I don't believe personally) It's very economically straining. Not to mention the dangers of the technology getting into the wrong hands. You could have entire armies of clones/ genetically inhanced soliders...etc. It's a fairly frightening prospect.

Tis true.
Think about a world where millions of clones were used to fight wars, I would imagine some power hungry country wouldn't hesitate for a second to do just that.

Since in fact the poll is about America cloning humans, I'd have to change my answer to No..It seems like the, for want of a better word, leaders of this country wish to have too much power, and clones wouldn't help the situation.

I voted "No."

The moral thing bugs me a bit, but I wouldn't presume to put my morals on anyone else.

Basically, what it boils down to is this: the Earth already has enough damn humans without finding new and interesting ways of making more.

It would cost a whole lot more to grow a clone soldier, train and arm it, then to recruit a soldier train and arm it.

I dont believe in cloning of humans but animals yes...expecially for all the hungry people in 3rd world countries. POPULATION CONTROL is a huge problem with cloning, and cloning can cause many problems as far as CSI work goes. Lets say your precious clone get a taste of rage and goesout and kills somebody and they find your dna...but its really your clones dna...they would have no proof to who committed the crime. Many issues with cloning and we have mice to grow organs...thanks though.

But hey I'll take a clone of Angelina Jolie if ya got one!!!!

I don't see the point in cloning humans... You also don't need to clone a whole human to get body parts or blood. Stem cells differentiate and specialize into different cells way before a baby ever emerges from a blob of cells.

Genetic enhancement will be an interesting time tho, Hopefuly I can get my future kids genetically enhanced, more immune to disease, possibly more intelligent etc...

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Ok now I see a point...

Overpopulation doesn't mean that we will run out of space soon and end up all cramped lol... Overpopulation is more about not being able to have an infrastructure in place to deal will large amounts of people. If the infrastructure is not in place then we have overpopulation. Examples of this are in 3rd world countries and when the infrastructure collapsed in new orleans.

We wont run out of space on earth for quite a while yet, even with huge population explosions bigger than in the 20th century.

Did you know that if everyone were to become immortal today the population would only be 3 billion more than what it would be in 2100 if we didnt have immortality...


There is absaloutly no problem being able to manage billion and billions of more people with technology, ther is a problem when the technology isn't there.

Oh, I don't think we will run out of room on this planet, we will probably just take away all the pretty places.

On a different note: I find it odd that people talk about clone armies and clone laborers and whatnot. Clones wouldn't be mindless zombies, they would be people who would make their own choices etc.

My answer is a definite NO. If we were all meant to have a double, we'd have been born as a twin.

Oh, as far as a family having their loved one cloned because of their early death ... that's sick! I can understand in a small dose as I've also lost family, but that's NOT a reason for cloning, not even PART of the reason. You'd have to be pretty messed up in the head to go for that (in that case, they need help), and the scientist would have to be even more messed up to try it. I'd put it on par with having a pet stuffed.

Body parts, alone, is slightly different. But I think that there is always a less drastic way of taking action - it just has to be discovered.

I honestly believe that some things are best left alone!

Well cloning of a person is inevitibly gonna happen somewhere in the world at some stage... I am really optimistic about science and I usually have very few objections against it, but I don't feel there is a reason to clone humans...

what ever happened to good old sex?

I don't see why not. Seem's like a good option for people that can't naturally have kids of their own. But I wouldn't like to see people cloning when there is no need.

I'm voting no, not for any moral reasons but simply because I can't think of anyone I want two of. Heck, a lot of people I know, one of them's too many!

(I don't think DNA "ages", though. Does it really?)

The majority of mutations are fixed but Mutations of dna will sometimes escape our dna proof reading mechanisms. Mutatations of the dna in the cell nucleus is very small when young, but the amount of mutations increases with age. So if you were going to clone a person you should do it early on in their life.

Hmm... ya all make good points, espeically Purplose, about us already having enough humans on the planet. But, also, I've been taught:

Matter is neither created nor destroyed.

So if we were meant to have clones, it is already 'set in stone' in history, and we can't change it, or, one cloned species and *BOOM* the Earth is destroyed due to too much weight and pressure.

Every clone would there fore take life away for another human, but at the rate of a billion new people every year being born, one extra person won't make too much of a difference, but a billion clones, say good-bye to a year of everyones life.

They should clone Moe. Four of us. We will start a band. It is a mission from god.

They should clone Hitler. Four of them. They will start a gang. It is a mission from God.

I voted yes bec it would be giant step for Mankind.

Do not underestimate those Koreans. Their technology are 1.2 years of ahead of the U.S.

You know... I don't really care =/
Like, sure, it'd be a bit disturbing to see someone making out with themselves... and you wouldn't want one of yourself in case they turn out to be better than you... damn that'd suck... "Hahahaha! You're better than yourself at chess!"

Okay, I'm against cloning, just because it would suck.

Yea but come on, cloning? It depends really. if its going be identical to its mother is one thing but if your doing it through mechanical... I think cloning should only be done if they can be justified as equals. I dont like the way they are doing it on tv and such when they are creating soliders, slaves and such. A lifeform that can feel should not be treated as a tool.

You make a good point Arkanas " A lifeform that can feel should not be treated as a tool. "

But, bein' me, I disagree... because how can a clone feel? Only the host organism can feel, right?

Clones are not 100% like the host organism.

But who knows if clones can feel of not?

*Stares at South Korea*

Why?

In my first post here, I just wanted to say that, I without trepidation of my decision voted “No” as we have no business competing against nature, we have no idea what cloning humans may bring to this world. Cloning sheep, cows and other animals is one thing, cloning Human Beings is an entirely different atmosphere and should be weighed upon dearly before we find ourselves jumping into a bottomless pit, and no way out.
Human clones could bring us a new realm of illnesses, if you think Aids is deadly, wait until Human clones are made and with them new, deadlier diseases that “Hybrids” are created to deal with, but the naturals “us” are not. It may cause an epidemic across the entire globe, wiping us all out, save but the clones.

Another reason not to clone humans is that we can not give them a soul, and God will not work with us, so we may be creating soulless beings, or even demons/ shells for the beings of hell to encompass themselves in.

Tread lightly in this field, or you may very well cease to exist, unless you are happy with a clone taking over your life “Quite Literally”

-Bob

Huh? Why would human clones be MADE with illnesses? If anything they would be created with immunity to them, and if thats the case, then I have no problem with them surviving over the rest of us because 1. They're human. 2. The epidemic would have wiped away all human life if it wasnt for them. 3. They're still human.



You dont know that. Hell, a soul hasnt even been proven to exist.



God, which I doubt exists, would cease working with you because of cloning?



Sounds like I've heard these arguments before...

Clones of Humans would not be created with new diseases, and I never said they would be, however if a human clone is made there are also chances of changes in their structural physiology, thus possibly creating new, deadlier diseases that are not now known by Human kind, plagues that even our most brilliant of scientists could not ascertain the cause within such a new, unique and yet familiar Genome (Our body maps)
If you think for a moment that creating clones may benefit us, then you must also examine the very real threat of a wide spread cycle of death caused by the creation of clones. How would this be possible? As someone who grows plants of all sorts, I am aware of Hybrids- there are Hybrid strawberries, apples and the list is on going, they are immune to diseases for which they were created to fight off/ and when you take away a part of the world, nature has a way of creating something even more powerful.

I also must disagree with you about your statement “A soul hasn’t been proven to exist”
Souls exist very much like you or I do, and I know this as a fact, heaven and hell, they are real and again, 100% factual as I have seen more than enough proof.

You’re speaking to someone who at the age of 4, came face to face with the son of God himself and since that day, I have never known the word normal as many of you do.
Many of you are intrigued by the unexplained experiences around the world, which you have heard, yet never known or perhaps have also experienced a few things; yet imagine there are those of us who are not intrigued by the unexplained, but are born into it… and sometimes, we wish, it wasn’t the case.

-Bob

P.s.

I respect your views and opinions, just as I hope you will respect mine in return.

Thats the impression you gave when you said:





So, you mean... a mutation... much like all the ones tha happen to humans already? That is nothing new. The genome would be subject to mutation just like any human being, no more, no less. Not until humans start tampering with the genome, but that is something completely seperate from cloning.

You're basically arguing the same arguments that have been argued over and over again. They were extremely prevelant during the in vitro craze, and turned up to be simply paranoia.



Again, you're not talking about cloning, you are talking about genetic modification. And btw, you're also talking about natural selection. If we got around to genetic modification, the humans would still be humans, not hybrids, and they would simply be born with a resistence to certain diseases. They would end up surviving over the ones that dont have the resistence. So what? They're still human. The only difference is that they had help from science to make them healthier, instead of waiting for nature to do it. "We" may die out (those of us who have no genetically modified family in our ancestry) but so what? We'd die out whether genetic modification was done or not... the only difference would be that with genetic modification, the human race would live on (yes, they are still humans, they are just lik us).



If you disagree, you're wrong. You may not be wrong on the idea that a soul exists, but a soul has yet to be proven to exist. If it has, please, show me that proof.



You know this for a fact? WHat if I say I know for a fact that you're wrong? Where is your proof?



Explain the circumstances of that encounter please.

Btw, I know people who say they've come in contact with other dieties too, from other religions, and now claim that they know "for a fact" that their religion is right. What do you think about that?

I know you have a good handle on it, Stellar, but I just wish to add:



One person saying they had an experience in no way makes it fact. No matter how much you believe it to be true, with out a reasonable amount of proof your claim is next to worthless.

Ok, I will explain in detail my encounters, just not right now, it’s almost midnight here and I have work later today, so that will have to wait- due to the complexity of my experiences and the length of words it would require.

What do I think about those who have claimed to have an encounter with their God or one they believe in? I believe it is true, God is not the only God and in the Christian Bible it clearly states this as the case. The Christian Bible has God speaking to others, other gods in my opinion, saying that “I will create them in our image” he never once said “I will create them in my image” trust me, I believe there are many gods, I believe Lucifer is a god and I will even stray to admit, that I wonder if in fact he is also the son of God/ older brother of Jesus. I may be a Christian by upbringing, but I don’t believe the same as many others do, I am open, I ask questions, I know things most Christians would balk at and yet, it’s in their Bible. Many Gods, yes.. But the God of all Gods, is only one. This too is in the Bible.

I may not be able to prove to you that there is a heaven and hell, yet if there was a way for you to examine my mind; you would be in for a shock of your entire life.

-Bob

Yes we do



Another human?



Yeah sure it will



Bla bla bla....

This is why people with your views on such things should be left out of decision making. This is ridiculous and would never even be considered as a reason not to clone humans. It's also quite dangerous thinking too...


I don't see the need in cloning and it shouldn't really be attempted at present, but some of your objections to human cloning are silly, particularly the last one about souls.

If you want a world with gods and souls, buy black and white 2 for pc.

People should learn that they must not deal with things they don't understand. Anyway thanks to the PEOPLE this planet's dyin'. Sod the mankind!

The planet isn't actually dying. We are just living in places where we make it uninhabitable ourselves. After the planet happily gets rid of us it will be livable again.

About cloning: You cannot actually expect to have a clone of your dead mother and expect it to act like your dead mother. Heck if I knew I was a clone for that sort of purpose I'd go "So I was born because you wanted your mama back?! I am not your mama! **** YOU!!".

Anyway, there are a lot of reasons to discredit cloning. Most of it are for selfish reasons none of us realize.

I don't think we should clone humans, but rather give more power to stem cell research. I hope that one day, people don't have to wait for blood; they will get it from large vats in which scientists grow red bone marrow, and the bone marrow produces large vats full of blood.

That is disgusting. There would be two of the same genetic code, only difference is one is physical and the other spiritual. The dead go to another world.

You accept it and move on. Maybe animal cloning could bring more species to the earth or/ solve other related.

Human cloning is plain wrong. Thinking right now that America has cloned real humans already, you never know whats done behind your backs.'

This is a sick society world.

Lol, you nutter!

I dont think human cloning is wrong... It's just pointless



yeah sure they do

what you need clones for? they just take space, and think form their point of view, EVERY oen has a family when they dont... and what if htat clone is evil? and they blame the good clone???