Excellent question. People have theorized that the same amount of energy that existed in the beginning of the Universe is the same amount that is here today. Like the idea of energy never being created or destroyed. Therefore, it disperses, not disburses.
However, I have different ideas of the Universe and energy, as you may have seen in other threads. Claude answered about souls in the new teachers, by saying there was no belief in any of the above. But it is more of a belief in energy that is always changing forms.

Permitted, yes, out of respect of the free will of others.

Okay, this has been bothering me. And thank you for correcting me.

Yes, that bit of grammatical sloppiness was irking me as well...

Anyways... onwards with the cosmic ballet...

Actually you can use the word myriad, and then a noun. I've seen it in several books in school.

It makes me twitch, and I'm tired. Back on topic. We've had our bit of fun.

Composed of numerous diverse elements or facets: the myriad life of the metropolis.
Since I doubt you guys are in school, perhaps you haven't known what is permissable in grammar.
BTW, WBS, you were the one who pointed it out, so essentially you were off-topic.
I'm just responding to what you say. Go on with the questions.

That is used in a different context.

Do Raelians believe in any "spiritual" component of life or existance?
That is, when you die, what happens to you?

You can use the word myriad, and then a noun, like I did. It's in grammar books I assure you.
back to the Raelians.

After death your energy disperses. There is no heaven according to many physicists because there is no way for it to be above space-time. Nothing can exist above space-time. It is impossible. So an afterlife is not believed in, since it violates those laws of the universe.

Please don't be offended if I don't have faith in the myriad of grammar books that seem to have that as a typo.

Now that we've had a short and unrequired discussion on grammar and spelling, let's get back to the issue at hand.

And please don't get too cocky... we're being nice... other's wouldn't be.

Is this a grammar class or a question/answer session about the Raelian faith?

Not only is it in grammar books, but other books (Clive Barker and Stephen King are one of the many that I have seen it in) as well where you can use myriad, and then a noun like I did.
I'm not cocky to begin with, I actually have low self-esteem. But I do work at it.
I'm already back to the subject obviously and I wait for your questions.

Do Raelians believe that physical immortality is possible?

How do Raelian's go about their selection process of possible members?

How did Rael come to the conclusion that aliens were involved in our evolution?

What do Raelians believe happens to the 'soul' after death?

There are some physicists that believe that the Universe is layered, and that these layers are comparable to "alternate universes" connected via black holes and quarks.

In theory, then- it is possible that one of these "layers" may be "heaven".

There are also theories that the Universe is a bubble, and that outside our "shell" is another bubble containing an other universe, etc.

According to every main-stream physicist, telepathy is impossible without the existance of hyper-dimensions. In other words, no physical model exists to account for this speculative phenomenon.

The Raelians believe that the Elohim contacts through telepathy even though they believe in nothing non-physical.
Please explain that apparent contradiction.

Question is directed to Raelians.

yes, through the physical manipulation of DNA they can increase the lifespan up to 700 years, then through the process of cloning, can renew life indefinitely.

1. they do not select, or recuit, you become a Raelian if you beleive in the messages, but it is optional that you are baptised, which opens the channels of the mind.
2. The Eloha, called Yahweh, told Rael using a bible to show the 'truth'
3. the energy disperses into the atmosphere

The Raelians beleive in 'As Above, So Below' and 'Everything is Cyclic', represented by the Star of David. This entails the thought that just as life could be present on our atoms, so we are present on the atoms of a greater being. Our solar system is an atom, and our galaxy is part of a greater being, of which we cannot sense due to the perceptual time lag.

Is this energy (our souls) sentient?

I don't see an apparent contradiction and I don't know where your information stems from. There are machinery and scientific models using thought waves to control computer games, which are currently being invented. Thought is a wave just the same as light and sound and heat.

No, but part of the eternal and cyclic properties of energy. Dust to dust. We eat 'energy' in the form of plant and animals, which has come from 'energy' from the soil, when we die our cells will form the 'energy' in the ground. Also, dust is continually falling into our atmosphere from exploded stars and planets and when our earth dies and explodes, it too will continue to go out into the universe. It is like Yelekiah said, there is only so much energy in the universe.

As part of a huge organism our earth is sick and is 'fighting' with its immune system, as we see in the news with daily natural disasters. We as a planet must regain our balance lest the immune system of the being that we are a part of starts 'fighting' the disease. Ergo a comet.

The second half of the book of Intelligent Design suggests ways in which we can rebalance our existance and become the creative beings we were made for.

Wrong. Communication from a very distant planet in the form of telepathy violates the speed of light(unless you want to wait around for a couple thousand years until the message gets to you)
So, for the Elohim to perform telepathic communication towards those on Earth WOULD require hyper-dimensional physics, which Raelians do not beleive in, because that same hyper-dimensionality suggests much grander things than mere physicality.

Wrong, which the Ark of the Covernant was created for, nuclear powered and accidentally causing deaths. It was used for intergallactic communication, and mistakenly thought to have housed the 'voice of god'. I agree with you that the thought waves do not travel between planets, but for communication to occur between the Elohim and humans now, they use their space craft which are orbiting our earth.

I see. May I then assume that their spacecrafts are invisible?

True there is an invisibility function, but space crafts are witnessed daily around the world, so they are not always invisible.

Hi 101! It seems to me that you are very close to god, so please tell us all what god's real name is.

A Raelian is one of the most open and sincere people that you will ever be likley to meet in your lifetime.

So "They're" meaning humans like your self with different learning, and outlooks?

Rael says that if all the people of the world were and acted the same, we would have a very dull and grey picture. It is the differences in people which gives us a fantastic multicoloured rainbow to appreciate and enjoy.

Because it is a very moving subject?

And just what cult do you belong to?

Good for you!

How can we be asked what are our beliefs, and when we tell you what they are you say I am pluging the book? The book is our bible.

I personally belive in the clear messages given in the Raelian Bible, and do not believe the rest of the so-called bibles.

And that is enough for us Raelians to believe it. There is an account in Raels second encounter, where he was with some other friend's who also witnessed the UFO.

I do believe!

No I do not believe that Rael is the only source. I for one have had messages regarding the Crop Circles, and this is why I personally dedicate allot of my time in seting up my own web site, and to be on this and other forums letting you in on what has been passed on by my guides Ra and Ramses.

Do you think it is enjoyable to be constantly questioned and mocked for one's beliefs?

None of the Raelians as far as I am aware make even one cent out of spreading these messages, and I personally fund and support my own web site.

A Raelian can have an informal exchange of vows, which the couples agree to stay together and love each other, as long as that love is alive. If the couple grows apart from each other then they should dissolve the agreement, and still remain as friends, but thus enabling them to move on in life.

Q/What does the raelian movement teach?

A/The raelian movement teaches the guidance messages given to Rael by the Elohim.

Q/Who determines what information is dispensed?

A/Both Rael and the Elohim.

Q/How is the information disseminated?

A/ The information is disseminated through Raels talks, Books and we Raelians.

Q/Other that 'rael', who are the other elders of of this group?

A/There are five levels of Guides, and the fifth level is the one where a new successor to Rael will be chosen from. (Before he reaches his use by date).

Wow! That was some job trying to catch up with all the questions since my departure this morning. I hope that I have answered your questions to your satisfaction, and if not please let me know and I will give you my full attention. However please do make sure you have read the first book, and part two of it before you fire questions at us that are in these books. I would love to stay and chat all day, but balance in life is most important to me, and I must try to retain this balance, to be able to function properly in my day to day life.

Once again there is no compulsion to do anything if you do not want to, but the books are all there for you to download for free.

I have to say, after reading through the 15 gajillion posts in the 2 threads dedicated to the topic, the raelian movement feels a little too much like David Koresh, and Waco; something just doesn't feel right. The folks that have expressed their opinions here seem very nice, intelligent and articulate; I have absolutely no negative feelings from anyone here. After looking at several websites on the topic(pro and against), it leaves me seeing the movement as a poster child for the cult business. I hate to be so blunt, but that is my take on what is going on.

I think that people should have the right to worship in any way they choose, to whomever or whatever they like; I would not want to take away peoples rights to choose it. However if I did have a family member that started to follow the group, I would be having some serious conversations with them and looking up "de-programming" in the yellow pages right away.

I don't know if rael is being truthful in his presentation, if he really believes himself, or if this is just another Benny Hinn - Scam them as long as you possibly can kind of guy...I personally don't believe that he is being honest, but that is just my own personal opinion based on the interviews that I have seen, and the video clips I watched on the web in the past couple of days.

From Rael.org:


I wonder if Rael discloses his income? It makes me nervous when anyone runs an entire church and makes a profit from it. He claims he gets no pay from the movement, but in the next sentance he admits getting paid from the "foundation". I don't like the vatican for the same reason, or any of the dozens of TV based ministers that take every chance to pass the collection plate to "spread the word of god", unfortunately the only word that gets spread is the drink order on some expensive beach in Aruba.

The crop circles are an entirely different matter, and I won't get into them anymore than saying that regardless of how many people admit to creating the crop circles in good old human technology and know-how( As well as showing how they did it on camera), certain folks are going to not believe it.

Just as with the pyramids in egypt, some folks will always say that there is no way that humans could have done it, although it can be shown that with enough willpower and 2000 years of a learning curve under your belt, you can do a lot of amazing things. I have yet to see a crop circle that is impossible for someone with a good knowledge of mathmatics and engineering(plus a few buddies in different disciplines to spice up designs with encoded messages) Engineering students are some smart mischievious people with time on their hands:D

I'd be really cautious of anyone who claims to have a direct line to "god".

For those of you who believe in God you had better read this and then you can decide what to call our creators.




YeshaYah (Isaiah) 52:6 " Therefore My people shall know MY NAME: therefore they shall know in that day that I am HE that doth speak: behold, it is I." The Israelites took naming persons and places much more seriously than we do today. To them a name was not just a label provided for convenience in distinguishing one person from another. A name was an essential part of the person so named. Names should be appropriate, for the person's name was regarded as a sort of duplicate of counterpart of it's bearer; there was believed to be a mystical relationship between name and the thing named. The name was conceived as influencing its bearer, and the name revealed something to a person who was told it. This was not a unique approach to naming, but one that prevailed among many ancient Near Eastern peoples. Harper's Encyclopedia of Bible Life
Speak, I pray you, to your servants in the Syrian language;
for we understand it:
and talk not with us in the Jews' language
The Jews, who had the greater part of their numbers dispersed in foreign lands by force or emigration, had lost their language. Even at the time of the Fall of Jerusalem (587 B.C.) Hebrew was losing out to Aramaic as the language of ordinary communication. In the next (6th) century, under Persian rule, Aramaic became the common language of the Scripture speaking peoples. The next conquerors of Palestine were the Greeks. Though the Greek culture was strongly pushed as a policy of the Seleucid kings, Aramaic remained the language of the Palestinian people until the Mohammedans conquered the region in the 7th century A.D. and introduced Arabic. Harper's Encyclopedia of Bible Life
YAHWEH
YAHWEH, the proper Name of the ABBA (FATHER) of Yisrael; it is composed of four consonants (YHWH) in Hebrew and is therefore called the tetragrammaton. The Name was first revealed to Moshe (Ex. 3), but the ABBA of Moshe was the Almighty of the fathers (Ex. 3:6, 15), known to the Israelites as EI Shaddai (Ex. 6:2-3). In the Scriptures the NAME YAHWEH is derived from the verbal root "to be," "to exist," and means "He who is" (Ex. 3:14 ff.). The Name YAHWEH later ceased to be used by the Jews for two somewhat contradictory reasons. As Judaism began to become a universal religion, the proper Name YAHWEH tended to be replaced by the common noun Elohim, meaning "God," which could apply to foreign deities and therefore could be used to demonstrate the universal sovereignty of Yisrael's God over all others. At the same time, the divine Name was increasingly regarded as too sacred to be uttered, for fear of profanation, and in the synagogue ritual it was replaced by Adonai ("my Lord"), which was translated Kyrios ("Lord") in the Septuagint. The occurrence of the four sacred letters in the text of the Scripture itself could not be thus replaced, but the same fear of profanation caused the Masoretes (6th-8th centuries A.D.) to change the pronunciation by replacing the vowels (which in Hebrew are marked beneath or above the consonants if not omitted altogether) with the vowels of Adonai (or, more rarely, the vowels of Elohim). This accounts for the form Jehovah, an artificial name with the consonants of YAHWEH and the vowels of Adonai (the initial "j" representing the Hebrew consonantal "i" which is also transliterated as "y"; the "e" representing the indeterminate Hebrew vowel which appears as "a" in the initial letter of Adonai; and the "v" being alternative to "w"). After 1518, when the Franciscan Petrus Gelatinous argued in favor of the form Jehovah, it appeared in translations of the Old Covenant, but English versions in most cases preferred to follow the Septuagint in translating the Hebrew YAHWEH by the periphrasis "the LORD" instead of transliterating it as Jehovah. With the new critical scholarship of the 19th and 20th centuries the more correct YAHWEH has gradually gained ground.
Parts of above from the ENCYCLOPEDIA BRITANNICA 1968 vol. 23 pg. 867.
In the above definition, the word "Elohim" does not mean "God". The true meaning of "Elohim" is " The Almighty One of Oaths and Promises Who is Faithful". Also, the word "Adonai" does not mean "Lord". But the English word that most describes Him is YAHWEH. This above definition shows that they know the Name YAHWEH; and have changed all these words to exonerate the god of this world. The word "divine" should not be used to describe His Name The scripture does not use the word "divine" in describing His Name. His Name is Qodesh (holy), SetApart. It should read "the SetApart Name".
YAHWEH (ya' we) A modern transliteration of the Hebrew word translated Jehovah in the Bible; - used by some critics to discriminate the tribal god of the ancient Hebrews from the Christian Jehovah. SEE TETRAGRAMMATON Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary (1959)
While inclined to view the pronunciation YAHWEH as the more correct way, we have retained the form Jehovah because of people's familiarity with it since the 14th Century. The Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures (The Jehovah Witnesses), The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc. (page 23)
God
God In Western culture the word God generally refers to one supreme holy being who is believed to have created the entire universe, to rule over it, and to bring it to its fulfillment. In the Old Covenant, God was called YHWH, pronounced YAHWEH by most scholars; the exact pronunciation of the Name was lost because it was rarely enunciated. In its place was read Adonai ("Lord"). The written combination of the tetragrammaton YHWH with the vowels of Adonai was traditionally rendered as Jehovah in English Scriptures. YHWH is frequently translated as "He who is" and probably designates YHWH as creator. In ISLAM, ALLAH stands for a similar notion. Thus, the word God refers to the object of WORSHIP, PRAYER, and religious MEDITATION. God also has been the object of religious and philosophical reflection, the supreme object of THEOLOGY. Parts of above from: GROLIER ENCYCLOPEDIA ed. 8 pg. 336 under God
God 1. A being of more than human attributes and powers; a deity, esp. a male deity; anything worshiped by man as a deity. 2. An idol. Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary (1959)
Only fear YAHWEH, and serve HIM in truth with all your heart:
for consider how great things HE has done for you.
JEHOVAH
JEHOVAH, an erroneous rendering of the name of the God of Israel. The error arose among Christians in the middle ages through combining the consonants Yhwh (Jhwh) with the vowels of Adonai, “Lord” which the Jews in reading the Scriptures substituted for the sacred name, commonly called the tetragrammaton, as containing four consonants. See YAHWEH. From reference: ENCYCLOPEDIA BRITANNICA vol. 12 pg. 991 under Jehovah,
JEHOVAH, [Hebrew usually Yehowah; prob. properly Yahweh] a Christian form given to the Tetragrammaton. Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary (1959)
The name Jehovah is, of course, an English word which is based on the Masorete's choice of writing. They so revered this holy name that they wrote the vowels of the word signifying Lord (adonai) with the consonants of the name which God gave to Himself, JHWH, resulting in Jehovah or as some prefer to render it, Yahweh, the consonants being in the Hebrew properly transliterated YHWH. In the history of the English language, however, the letter J has a written counterpart in the German J, although the letter J in German is pronounced like an English Y. The bulk of theological studies having come from German sources, there has been an intermixed usage in English of the J and the Y. Our English translations of the Bible reflect this, so we have chosen to use J, thus Jehovah, rather than Yahweh, because this is established English usage for Biblical names beginning with this Hebrew letter. No one suggests that we ought to change Jacob, Joseph, Jehoshaphat, Joshua, etc. to begin with a Y, and neither should we at this late date change Jehovah to Yahweh. The Interlinear Bible, Jay P. Green, Sr.
"The pronunciation Jehovah was unknown until 1520, when it was introduced by Galatinus; but was contested by Le Mercier, J. Drusius, and L. Capellus, as against grammatical and historical propriety." (Oxford Gensenius, P. 218.) Next, as to formation. "Erroneously written and pronounced Jehovah which is merely a combination of the sacred Tetragrammaton and the vowels in the Hebrew for Lord, substituted by the Jews (Yahdaim) for JHVH (YHWH), because they shrank from pronouncing The Name, owing to an old misconception of the two passages (Exodus xx. 7 and Leviticus xxiv. 16) ...To give the name JHVH the vowels of the word for Lord (Heb. Adonai) and pronounce it Jehovah is about as hybrid a combination as it would be to spell the name Germany with the vowels in the name Portugal-viz., Gormuna...Jehovah is not older than about 1520 c.e." The Book Of YAHWEH Yisrayl Hawkins
LORD
LORD is an English title of honor or dignity that is used in different senses.
 From THE ENCYCLOPEDIA AMERICANA vol. 17 pg. 739 LORD:
LORD [AS. halford, for halfweard, i.e., bread keeper, fr. half bread, loaf + weard keeper, guard.] 1. One who has power and authority, as headship or leadership; a master; ruler. 2.[cap.] a. The Supreme Being; Jehovah. b. The Saviour; Jesus Christ. Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary (1959)
The Elohim
For the ancient Hebrews "divinities (elohim) dwelt in nature and in the sky. Different tribes each had particular deities who were especially concerned with their affairs."
     - Ninian Smart, The Religious Experience of Mankind
"...The geologist Christian O'Brien argued that these [ancient Hebrew and Sumerian] texts describe a race of beings called Shining Ones - his translation of the Hebrew word Elohim. These beings created modern humans from earlier human forms by genetic manipulation. Some of these beings, called Watchers, mated with humans, and this was considered a crime by the Shining Ones. One of the Watchers was named Shemjaza, and Yahweh was one of the Shining Ones. O'Brien argued that the Shining Ones were superior but mortal beings of unknown origin."
     - Richard L. Thompson, Alien Identities - Ancient Insights into Modern UFO Phenomena
"When the gods created Mankind
Death for Mankind they allotted,
Life they retained in their own keeping."
     - The Epic of Gilgamesh
"The Elohim originally included not only foreign superstitious forms, but also all that host of Heaven which was revealed in poetry to the shepherds of the desert, now as an encampment of warriors, nor as careering in chariots of fire, and now as winged messengers, ascending and descending the vault of Heaven, to communicate the will of God to mankind."
     - General Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma
"And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness...."
     - Genesis 1:26
"In the clay god and Man shall be bound, to a unity brought together;
So that to the end of days
the Flesh and the Soul
which in a god have ripened -
that Soul in a blood-kinship be bound."
     - Sumerian creation story, Encyclopedia Britannica
The creators (Elohim) outline in the second hour 'the shape of a more corporeal form of man. They separate it into two and prepare the sexes to become distinct from each other. Such is the way the Elohim proceeded in reference to every created thing."
     - Eliphas Levi, The Nuctameron of the Hebrews
"...The androgynous constitution of the Elohim is disclosed in the next verse, where he (referring to God) is said to have created man in his own image, male and female; or, more properly, as the division of the sexes had not yet taken place, male-female....This definitive reference to a humanity existing prior to the 'creation of man' described in Genesis must be evident to the most casual reader of Scripture."
     - Manly P. Hall, Masonic, Hermetic, Quabbalistic & Rosicrucian Symbolical Philosophy
"...The sons of gods (bene ha-elohim) saw the daughters of men that they were fair..."
     - Genesis 6:2a
"Other Elohim are occasionally mentioned throughout the older parts of the Old Testament. The most important of them is Baal, usually translated as the Owner. In the Canaan of the times, there were many Owners, one to each village, in the same way that many Catholic cities today have their own Virgin Marys, and yet they are all the same one."
     - Julian Jaynes, The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind
Not all scholars accept the plural nature of the Elohim.
"Biblical Hebrew occasionally employs something scholars call the 'majestic plural'. In effect it is a plural ending added to a deity's name to confer status or majesty. In the Old Testament the best example is Elohim which does not mean 'the gods' but is rather the god El with the majestic plural im appended."
     - David M. Rohl, A Test of Time: The Bible from Myth to History (1993), p. 228

Can you help me out with telling me what your point is on the worlds longest paragraphs from above^?

Yes I agree with you! I too would be cautious if someone told me they had a direct line with god. It is easier for me to say that than for you though, because I am an Atheist, and you are probably a believer in god. Good for you!

As for all the other money doubts etc. yes I too went through all that skepticism and so have the other entire Raelian majority in this World at a guess. I then found out the truth. Another thing that comes to mind is this: Why on Earth for all the money in the world would someone want to be in our prophet’s shoes? Constantly being mocked and ridiculed and spied on night and day. I would not even bear that sort of intimidation for even one day, little on a 31 year period. And after 31 years, if he is guilty of this mass deception, why has he not been convicted of anything? Seems strange that someone so bad can be left to walk around with his head held proud, and not even a glimmer of guilt in his eyes.

Yes it really is a strange World.

p 17 of "Intelligent Design": Democracy was born in France..."

Boy, I'll bet that will be a surprise to the Greeks......


I have the 403 page book on my computer, and will print it when I can. But so far, it is not very encouraging

Selective democracy is what I believe they meant, and according to geniocracy.

OK, looking at the table of contents for this opus, I see that your founder spends a great deal of time and energy re-interpreting the stories of the old testament, with the alien twist.

Reading the authors postscript, he makes reference the the 'embassy', raelian architets (I hope they are licensed!), and the donations being assembled to build it.

Any pictures or architectural drawings to look at? As a keen student of design and architecture, I'd love to see them.

They are under "images". And the "twist" is what the Elohim say, Rael recorded it.