Fluffy, thank you for your first post. This is what I've been trying to say all along. Also, thank you for your second post. Perhaps you're beginning to see one of the reasons we're so agitated.

Claude, I do appreciate your input, but the page long posts are a bit of a turn-off.

Especially those who have ADD. However, I did enjoy the information, it is a great interest of mine.

like I said, from what I have scanned (no time to read all of it yet), but it is taking the Judeo-Christian OT, and 'explaining' it by saying the aliens are god.

I have yet to see anything that indicates anything other than a Hubbardian like effort to gain wealth. But, I will continue to peruse.

A more appropriate way of saying it is that the Elohim are our creators, according to the book, and attempt to aid mankind.

It is MORE appropriate to say that claude vorilhon SAYS they are our creators, if we are going to be semantically, and grammatically anal about things.

I can easily say that it is more appropriate that the Elohim say they are our creators, and Rael is saying their message, according to the book.

Believe what you will.

I have seen enough from the website, and the comments by its proponents on this site.

I have come to my own conclusions about your faith, but in the interests of fairness, and free speech, will not state them here.


good journey

Okay, I've got a question.



Now, if the Elohim basically stacked rubble up to create the one continent, when it started to drift apart, wouldn't the land masses disintegrate? I mean, the current continents aren't floating, but are attached to the sea bed, right?

And Yel, please don't be correcting my spelling and grammar this morning. I'm really not in the mood.

It is not my belief. I thought we went over this...yes...we did.
And you are free to your own conclusions. Thank you for sharing them.

If fairly strong explosions were used, they could have melted that rock similar to a volcano...

Cute, given that I never corrected your grammar before, lol. The Elohim from what I understand are quite ancient. They have progressed beyond our wildest dreams. I'm fairly certain that they could easily "mold" the Earth to their liking since they are considered by many to be advanced sentient beings.

But that still would've left the land mass unstable. Volcanic rock can crumble. The pressure created by the shifting of the Earth would've made the land masses that were separating crumble. Even if, as you say, the rock "melted" together, the basic "inside" part of the land mass would not have been melted. To use explosions hot enough and big enough to accomplish melting all the way to the middle of the land mass would've destroyed the planet, no?

Yelekiah, *big kiss*.

Okay, so since this is obviously beyond my comprehension, because they are so far advanced, it really boils down to faith. Is that it?

obviously not....

Beleive what you wish to beleive

Not necessarily. They could probably easily alter atomic structure. Shift it, change it back. Science is always progressing. I really doubt that the Elohim in the book aren't technologically advanced.

I will now reitterate what I said up there^^^^^, and come ask more questions as I go. Faith?


EDIT: Sorry, Yel. We cross posted.

I answered on the previous page, WBS

It is not necessarily beyond one's comprehension unless one chooses it to be. Imagine if you will, pre-historic men viewing a jet. It is apt to be beyond their comprehension, until they learn what it is.

Just so, Yelekiah. But at this point, aren't their technologies that much more advanced than ours? If they were where we are now thousands of years ago? That being the case, yes, it is very hard to comprehend. Raelians deal in scientific terms, right? That's the kind of answer I wanted about this particular question. Unfortunately, just like a lot of my other unrelated questions, science has yet to find an answer.

And Rowan, I'm not being snotty. Honest. I'm being a good girl today. It's just that when you can't fully understand a concept, but believe it to be true nonetheless, that is, indeed, called "faith". That's the only point I was making about that.

I hope that you haven't found my short answers indecent. I am just trying to be precise and wanted you to know that you can beleive anything you wish to beleive. So faith is what you are placing your beleif in.

For us as humans where we are now technologically, we are obviously behind the Elohim, considering that they created monsters in the lab, travelled to other planets, and had explosive technology far surpassing ours. The Elohim are trying to make contact through these messages now because we are technically and scientifically able to, without falling to our knees and worshipping them as Gods anymore.

I assure you WBS that it isn't entirely science. Faith has its presence in many religions, and the same applies in here. Some people find answers in connecting with other people. Faith and love are ideas that surround Raelism to a great extent. That is why many of them say "love and light" often. Because they are filled with love and respect towards other people.

That's okay, Rowan.

So, we've established that there is a certain degree of faith when dealing with the teachings. Great. Let's move along. I'll be back with more questions.

Out of curiousity, Rowan, have you ever been to a seminar or whatever they call it?

Awesome. I'm happy to see that there is progress in this.
It's very refreshing.

Actually yes I have. There is a type of meditation (not to be confused with sensual meditation) which is guided, and was given to Rael by the Elohim. Can you imagine, a meditation 25,000 years old, with the capacity to open one's mind to it's highest and raise the consciousness to the infinity within and the infinity of the stars?

Truly amazing experience...

Hmm, okay. I was just curious.

This, as you can see, will be a long, drawn-out affair. I already have another question.

Okay, so, what Christians believe was the garden of Eden, was actually a section of the continent that a certain especially gifted group of scientists were located. These scientists created the people popularly known as Adam and Eve. The scientists in this area, even though the majority of Elohim were afraid the humans would surpass them, wanted to give the humans greater insight into their technology. The "tree of life" being knowledge, and the "serpent" being this particular group of Elohim. When the humans "ate the apple", so to speak, the other Elohim became angry and pulled their people from Earth with the exception of this particular group (the serpent). Is this correct?

hole in one

Heh. At least Rael speaks blonde. I can kind of understand what he's talking about. Thank you.

Not entirely WBS. The Tree of Life, (not to be confused with the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil) granted immortality. It was the secret in DNA to extend human life. When you extend human life, this can easily lead to the progression of mankind to advance in technology. Then the Garden, or lab if you prefer, was guarded so Adam and Eve could not progress. There were certain Elohim that feared that if man progressed, they may want to make weapons to destroy them. However, not all of the Elohim agreed with that view.

This is similiar to a book I read a while ago,

"the Yahweh Encounters" by Ann Madden Jones.

It interpretes the bible in relation to UFO's and aliens, stating that the 'garden of eden' was actually a controlled envirnmental section of a spacecraft. When the test animals (humans) became independant of thought, they were 'banished' planetside on Earth.

Now, go back a bit. The Elohim created dinosaurs in labs? Where are the remnants of these labs? And how did they keep from getting squashed or eaten? Did they control the dinosaurs? And what about prehistoric man? Failed experiments?

The labs I imagine were removed by some of the Elohim that wished that man wouldn't progress; keep them in the dark so to speak because they didn't want them to become too powerful. They did not entirely control the dinosaurs since some of them escaped. Prehistoric man would not necessarily be viewed as a failure, given that Neanderthals actually had slightly larger brains than modern man. We cannot prove whether or not their intelligence was comparable to ours, despite the lack of technology.

Okay, where did the exiled Elohim live? In houses? And also, scientists do know that when dealing with brain size, bigger is not necessarily better. But, as you say, we don't know precisely about the Neanderthal. Even though we do kind of know how they lived which was not comparable to how we live today, but that's another story altogether, I guess.

Correct. We cannot measure their intelligence since they are not here. The exiled Elohim who had crafts, still had the technology to colonize other planets, according to the book.

From what it looks like to me, the Elohim actually lived here ON Earth, and had "guards" protecting them. Then, later reproduced with the most beautiful humans. So, this leads me to believe, the were not living in craft, but here on the ground.

"geniocracy" - rule by the intelligentsia.

Any comments on this by the believers? Any reason why bigotry by brain is any better than bigotry for any other reason?

I apologize for the apparant randomness of my posts, but as things strike me, I post.

Yes, on at least 3 occasions that we know of! Pangea was simply the most recent occasion.

So presumably this terraforming actually took place 4.6 thousand million years ago?

Why did they create so many thousands of different dinosaurs over such a long period of time? What's the point?

Essan, I had asked about the potential crumbling of the continents as they broke apart. Any thoughts on this?

Perhaps the question really should be: if they went to the trouble of creating a single continent (theoretically possible!) why then let it break up?

However, if they did do this then I assume it was really no different to what happens naturally over longer periods of time anyway: Pangea formed as a result of seperate continents merging into one; and then it later split up.

Had the Elohim simply speeded up the process of merging continents into one landmass then it's possible that we would not be able to trace this, and that subsequent continental break-up would have occurred naturally - without the continents crumbling

So, this part of the story is plausible, then? (Directed at Essan)

Now, as I'm shuffling through pages here, going over my notes, I have a concern. At the point where it talks about the "serpent", it's pointed out that this is a metaphorical thing. It even explains what it means. *shuffle* Then, it talks about how after certain people "benefited from the tree of life", they were able to live hundreds of years.



This is supposed to be taken literally, not metaphorically. Also...



Again, to be taken literally. So, why is it that some passages are literal, and some figurative?

Did the raelians run away, again?

Was it something we said?

Perhaps they're conferring. And I was just getting started.

Okay, be nice.

I am very nice

Theoretically yes. We may even be able to do it ourselves one day- use massive lasers to melt the rock and then forcefields to mould it.....

Mind you, if it happend, it happened at least 4,000,000,000 years ago - that initial continent has broken up and reformed many times since then.

Probably me - I do tend to have this effect

Funny, last time we had a conversation, you were the one that ran.

LOL! I asked for that!

with his tail between his legs...


At least, I think it was his tail, it was rather dark.