Yes. I actually asked if you were referring to the Golden Calf at one point (never got an answer).
Yes, some of them were Elohim. And yes. In the book it says you hear about several crafts
such as Elijah's "chariots of fire" and Ezekial's wheel.

I think you misunderstood me. What I was saying was that they are taking a text that is full of metaphors and poetry, the Bible. That is why some of it is metaphorical.

I'm sure they can now, but this was 25, 000 years ago, WBS.

I'll be back in a few minutes. I want to peruse some other threads, hold on.

Sorry. I didn't know what you were referring to because it was mixed in with the hair thing. No, I wasn't referring to the Golden Calf.




I was just wondering about the apparent contradictions within a single chapter. I can understand taking something from one book literally, and another book metaphorically, because of different times, authors, etc.


Yes, but at that time, they were way ahead of us technologically. They had space craft, for goodness sake. Both civilizations have progressed since then, no?

Derr.

Mmmmm-hmmmm

Actually, that is not completely true… the first 14 books of the OT, plus Psalms, Proverbs and the Song of Solomon (an erotic love poem that doesn’t even mention god) were either stolen from older Semitic religions or made up whole cloth by the YHWHist scribes that canonized the OT in the 6th century BCE, of the rest most were written a little later with Daniel being penned around 200 BCE by the Maccabeean scribes that reconstituted the OT that was burned by the Greeks. The actual time period of the bible being written was from about 560 BCE to around 150 CE and as for the cohesiveness and unification of the bible, it has to be one of the most self-contradictory books written even though massively edited throughout the centuries.

Run-around...I get that too when I ask if animals believe in God or go to heaven. I'm not sure if there are straightforward answers in any religion.

Did you get that Irish?

Very succinct. Truly, love, I expect more from you than this.

Let me guess was it Fruit Loops?

Deleted by poster, figured someone had already said the same way back in the thread.

All right. How about this? Thank you, Captain Obvious. Is that still too succinct?


No, Frosted Flakes.

Hon, you're too smart to speak like a child. *cheek kiss*

Thank you, WBS, I'm very flattered.

Yet another example of the proponents brushing off the tough questions.

You are learning much from your compadre claude, Yelekiah.

WBS has done as requested, and is reading the book. When she asks questions that occur to her, you and your cronies either ignore it completely, or come back with a 'witty' retort.

Oh wait, let me guess: the answer is "READ THE BOOK", right?

Am I? I only learn from what I've skimmed in Book One. Actually she asked me a question that had an obvious answer. So I said "derr"

(Have humans progressed since then)....All other questions I have answered, including your geniocracy question. Look through the thread if you don't believe me.

You twist things well.

She asked why the aliens were afraid of humans.

YOU said "because the aliens were afraid of humans developing weapons"

She said "But weren't the aliens advanced compared to humans?"

YOU replied "yeah, but that was 25, 000 years ago"

SHE said, "But haven't they advanced since then?"

YOU replied "DERR"

The object being that these mythical aliens would have continued to advance, even as we have. If "THEY" were using 'repulsar beams' and 'pocket nukes' 25,000 years ago, what kind of toys would they have now? And, would our most powerful weapons be a threat to them?

Thank you in advance, for your evasion, I mean, answer.

No, the point of her question was if they had a defense against humans. I wouldn't know since I'm not an Eloha.
Now onto your question. I wouldn't since I'm not an Eloha (for both).

Oh, and your welcome.

I'll be back in a few more minutes.
(looks at other threads)

Let me re-phrase it then.

Do you suppose that they aliens would continue to advance, or do you think it plausible that their technology would stagnate for 25.000 years while human technology would continue to improve?

No reason to post a 'raelian' answer, use your ability to speculate on this one.

I was going to anyway. Remember that humans have gone into dark ages throughout history. Civilizations have fallen many times. Remember the Middle Ages after the barbarian invasion? Excellent example. We could imagine that perhaps rival clans tried to destroy one another with nuclear weapons, and therefore, they'd have to start all over again. Go into a dark age so to speak. It's possible.

Yel, JM was entirely accurate in his interpretation of my statement. Perhaps I should take lessons from Claude and become more verbose.

WBS you asked me if the Elohim would know of a way to defend themselves. And I answered it.

Usually, if you're far enough advanced technology to have a "pocket nuke", you would most likely have ways to defend against it... Thus I'm sure that these ET's would have a defence against mere spears, arrows, swords, etc...

It's like me being afraid of an ant when I have a magnifying glass...

Fine, Yelekiah. Thanks for your help.

Your welcome, darling.

I've said this before and sorry for repeating myself, but the Elohim were not afraid of the humans with the spears and arrows. They were afraid of what humans would become in the future. Advanced.

Then why did they have guards at the gate in biblical times?

Excellent question. Perhaps they were protecting against dinosaurs (joking) and the exiled Elohim that wanted to give man scientific knowledge.

Yel- That is so much BS.

So instead of leaving and never coming back, they just nuke us... leave, and come back later with a message of hope when we have our own nukes?

Seems kinda stupid on their part to tempt Fate when we are more advanced.

No, they were probably guarding against the exiled Elohim as a warning. I don't think they would have necessarily done it. And yes, they came back precisely when we had our own bombs, correct. Rael was born after the first nuclear explosion, incidentally in 1946. To them it may be a test, not sure. But that is what is in the book, Stewey.

Sounds like these Elohim were more trouble than they were worth...

Can you elaborate?
There were many different Elohim that had conflicting ideas. And the same applies with humans. Not all want destruction, Stewey.

I'm talking in general.

Seeing as how they have their own inner conflicts and political problems... I don't see them being any superior than Humans.

Those "political" problems were 25,000 years ago. I doubt they still have them.

They aren't superior, Stew. From the way it sounds, I could probably yell, "Boo!", give them "the look" and send them on their way. Kind of like our resident Raelians.

Read my above post.

Political problems have nothing to do with fear of humans. Perhaps fear among themselves...

Maybe we should be afraid of what they've become... if they were so afraid of we might become.

Those were Stewey's words, I'm just responding to it. But in my opinion, if they feared what we would be in the future, that was still an issue.

Not if supposedly they are full of "love and light". Weapons are apt to be a defense.

but lo and behold, now they want us to greet them with open arms. Now, when we are even more dangerous to them.


Just for the moment Yelekiah, does anything these people espouse make sense to you? I would appreciate your honest, non-snarky answer.

How can we be absolutely sure which side of their political conflict won?

Because Rael says an ET told him?

Am I that snarky? lol
I previously posted that it could be a test, not sure. I skimmed that portion of the book actually, so I really wouldn't know their motives. If I did, then I could judge it. I'll read it tonight and tell you my thoughts.

oooooh, scary. We don't. And it alls comes down to faith, just like in Christianity.

I'm taking a break, I'll return soon. thank you everyone for sharing your thoughts. I appreciated them.

Even faith needs some evidence to sustain it.

The mere word of a person who suddenly dresses in a white jumpsuit, has a pony tail and says, "The ET's are nice." isn't enough.

And neither is a book that speaks of the world being created in 7 days. Well...at least to some people.

I take most parts of the Bible as metaphor- as do many Christians.