Yeah, I downloaded the intelligent design one. On the acrobat at work, it said 400+ pages.


Here, try this. downloads

No wonder. I have Adobe it could be a different version. I was wrong, it's not 188, but 190.

Ummmm... Acrobat is made by Adobe to view PDF files...

The Raelians are right up there with Jane Roberts.

Yeah, I thought it was all the same thing. I know what I printed up, it didn't print full pages, though. So that could be the problem. Yelekiah, is that the right book, at least?

And I just said it could be a different version that we both have that explains the difference.

Shouldn't make a 200 odd page differance.

WBS- My Acrobat says 403 pages too.

Yes, it is, and if it didn't print the full page, maybe that's what happened.
Ah, I see what you guys are saying. But in my opinion, it isn't a long read, even though it says 400 pages or so. It is actually 190 pages. You could finish it in one sitting.

The page count at the bottom of the Acrobat screen is 403.

Aaaack! I'll try to reformat it before printing anymore. My eye's starting to twitch now. No more program talk, please.

This is the link to the download page just in case there is a mix up with different books:

http://www.rael.org/download.php?view.1

Right, and you can read it all in one sitting. It isn't long by any means.

The Intellegent Design book is actually two books, which may account for the 400 page count.

It's two books that are 190 pages together actually. But the page count is according to how it prints perhaps.

Yeah, Rowan. That's the one I've got. Still says 403 pages, though.

Book two starts around 113 and it all ends at 190.
But back to the Raelians.

I know what your saying, RR, but some manuals may well be clear to the author and some readers, but not so to others. This is especially true with tech manuals, and I would suspect also true with writings involving phylosophy, spirituality, extra-terrestials, etc...


In these day's, RR, its just not enough to tell someone "here is the TRUTH" in such and such manual, because that "truth" to one reader is mere opinion to another reader or not even really "grasped" if is the truth. Therfore, I ask specific questions, regardless of whether or not is already been addressed in a "manual"

Speculative writings(those which involve religion, paranormal phenomenon and so-on) are even more prone to critical analysis, as often such writings include numerous "assumptions" presented as statements of fact without evidence. This is not to suggest that such writings contain no facts, rather that it is often the case that speculative assumptions are wrapped in-between these facts to make the "whole" appear as wholly factual.

The Raelian Movement bases its original premise on the writings from Rael.
This is very dangerous.

Those writings, though certainly containing some facts(general scientific facts I might add), contain a tremendous amount of assumptions which have absolutely no evidenciary value. He met an alien? Ok, where's the proof or any subtle hint of evidence. There is none. He met with "Jesus" etc, on a distant planet? Not only is that contention intellectually absurd, there is also no proof there either, just Rael's word that it is true.

Why should we when all we keep getting is, "Read the book... read the book... all the answers are in the book"?

This is in ref to Yel's "Back to the Raelians" comment.

The craft he described were similar to crafts of other UFO abductees prior to releasing that type of information in France. They were comparable in that sense.
But given that you cannot prove God exists, Raelism is just as valid as believing in God.

Stewey, if you haven't noticed, I AM answering the questions. People say read the book as an aid to help from getting redundant.

Thank you Jay for your post. And you can see how Christianity amongst many other religions fell into that category at one point. In fact, certain aspects of Christianity still fall into that category....

It sounds like every religion, what is your point?

OK, so:

Do you honestly believe that Rael met an alien and visted with Jesus on a distant planet?

I just told you, I'm not Raelian.
And you shouldn't belittle people with "do you honestly believe"
That is disrespecting their faith.
I can easily say do you honestly believe that God created the world in 7 days and man is 6000 yeas old when science obviously shows that this isn't true.

Not to you necessarily, just to anyone of that faith for example.

Alright guys. Prepare the throwing fruit.

This kind of verbal combat is going to get us absolutely nowhere.

Ok, I will leave out the word "honestly" so as to not "disrespect" as you say, and thus will rephrase my question as follows:

Do Raelians believe that Rael met an alien and visted Jesus on a distant planet?

(gets the rotten tomatoes and aims)
I'm just answering questions. Don't mind me.

Thank you, that is much more polite. And yes, quite a few Raelians have faith and believe that.

Yes we do

See? Easy and painless. *ducks fruit*

As long as no one is disrespected or bombarded in the process, yes.

(wipes cabbage off of WBS' shoulder)

This is what we want. Personal thoughts and beliefs. Not a piece of paper saying what you're supposed to believe.

Derr, and we're all giving personal thoughts. Just ask a question, we did this throughout most of new teachers.

Do the Raelians believe that Rael is the only direct source to the Elohim?

The piece of paper could be seen as our bible. If you were to ask a priest about Christianity he would probably refer you to the bible. Would you want his personal beleifs or would you prefer to check them out for yourself in the bible?

No, others have contact, and it actually encourages trying to contact the Elohim, which is in the book.

What do you mean by source exactly? Of course not. There are several people who claim to be in direct "contact" with Elohim, those who ask for a sign and believe it, and then see a UFO for example.

Actually, I would prefer to hear the priest's take on it.

Stew, my love, I do think you need to ask a question. *throws grapefruit at Yel*

Actually I have 3 times seen UFO's after asking for a sign.
The last one was just last night beleive it or not!! Another Orange UFO

Yes, I would rather have his personal beliefs. I derive more insight from the thoughts of a person who lives the religion, rather than simple text- as it is the human capacity to think that provided some more meaningful context to compare to my own opinions.

And for your information, I have a few religious texts in my collection:

The Old and New Testament, the Holy Koran, the Book of Mormon, and a few others.

Now, once printed, I can add a couple of the Raelian books to my collection.

(eats the grapefruit)


I knew quite a myriad priests, and of course, no one has yet to prove God exists.

Does Rael have the "final word" as to the interpretation of Elohim contact? Or is it left soley to the individual?

Neat, you remind me so much of myself....

Pallidin, it is left to the individual.

I have talked to numerous priests (even Jehoviah's Witnesses), and am hoping to get the chance to talk to some of the Inuit Elders here in the Arctic about their spiritual beliefs.

I don't subscribe to organized religion, as I feel I don't need them telling me how to act, and that there is a consequence for my actions. I don't believe in a sentient thinking God- nor do I believe that ET's are involved in human evolution.

I do however have my own spiritual beliefs that have some basis in scientific thought and evidence. My faith is based on theories that can either be proved to some extent, or enough to provide an idea for finding further proof.

I don't believe that we need an outside "agent" to save us. I once stated Man is both God and Devil, and I have also stated that Damnation and Salvation come from within- not from and outside source.

Thank you for sharing your thoughts, Stewey. I see where you are coming from, and I respect that.
Does everyone wish to write down the story of their belief as well?

Ahhh, now see? This is so nice.

Okay, I've got a question. We discussed earlier about how Raelians believe that when we die, our energy disburses into the environment. Where does this energy come from to begin with? This "energy" is what I would liken to a soul. But that's just me.

Well, the Law of Thermodynamics states that neither matter nor energy can be created or destroyed.

Next gentle question:

Does the Raelian faith permit extra-marrital affairs?