Yep you are right...and for the most part the 1970's generation was perceptive to see the coming change. Sure enough in the 1980's where did the money go? NSA and satellite technology.
Im not mad we have it...Im mad at what I percieve its really being used for...us! Its to help keep the criminals in charge by spying on us...the terror is used to keep us in line...did we ever think we could really see Henry Kissinger in A World Court over nazi funds likw what almost happened in the 1990's? He squirmed out of thqat one...only to comeback after 9-11 at the request of GWB to chair a 9-11 committee which was shot down because of the critisicm...lol

You speak from a standpoint of valid operations used to defend our nation from harm. My point to you is that people like you are used to further the surveillance arm saying it's for good of the public...yeah on paper. Did that surviellance net stop the HUD scandal of the 1980's? Economic terrorism. Did it stop Bush family friend Orlando Bosch from blowing up a Cuban airliner with children abord? Did it stop white terrorists from illegaly going to Africa to strta a terror campaign? Im referring to Margeret Thatchers son who was recently caught with a band of mercenaries in Africa. So, you see Im pointing out how all of this is selectively used. The intelligence arm isnt being used so much for Americans as it is used against them...or on them.

Not at all. I am talking about daily security. I am talking about what the regular police force needs for public safety, not about things on a global scale.



The survellance net didn't exist in the 80's. And it still doesn't on the scale that it would need to in order to stop these events from occurring. You talk about things being selectively used, then talk about modern day surveillance abilities used 20 years ago? What sort of surveillance are you talking about? You span a great deal of time without even blinking.

i agree completely-- the emerging survelance police state is just a guise and tool for the enslavement of the american middle class by fascists in another country and some from within!
its our sovereignty they wish to eradicate

Last month the government TOLD us they were tracing calls for terrorist threats and by votes they were forced to stop.

You found out... now we have to kill you.

Let's pretend for a second that EVERYTHING is monitored ALL the time. If you did something wrong while being monitored without permissions from the court, that evidence would not be admissible.....so who cares.

Now if they had reason to believe you were up to no good and then got permission from the proper authority to monitor you...and then you did something stupid....they can use that as evidence against you...so don't do anything to get their attention.

But doesn't the Patriot Act allow "them" to get a secret court order (i.e. without what tradition would consider due process) and just arrest you without a real charge?
"They" have been watching "us" since the beginning of time - or at least since the Roman Empire. It's just that now "they've" got satellites, traffic monitor cameras, and cameras all over the damn place (publicly acknowledged in a place like London), but probably existing and not publicly acknowledged in a place like D.C. or any other major American metropolis...

1984!!!!

"Spying on the home front"
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/homefront/view/

Part of this video goes over a large incident in Los Vages where the US Gov. slashed all over the people's right to privacy, spent tons of money, panicked, almost called off the new years festivities and in they end; it was all bad information!

There a billion reason why we do not want the US government watching our every move(just a little history will show this); but one that is so obvious from the link above is we will simply drown in our own fear; thus losing our way of life to the hands of the terrorists without them have to do a thing.

Only children need to be watched by their parents; grow up people and represent the people that made this country great!

I agree that it is obviously the price to be paid for higher tech that now can make the individual as dangerous as an army of thousands were in the past.

An ARMY OF MILLIONS EACH ARMED WITH A CELL PHONE...muhaaa!*ahem*....here watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0mkXLwZbI4...feature=related

actually Bushco has already done if without asking congress.......... wiretapping without FISA warrants before 911 even. He felt no need to let Congress or the Courts know. and instead of going to jail enacted a 'get out of jail ' free pass for himself by making all such illegal acts 'legal' retroactively. which is still being argued.

as for listening ? of course they are. and yet not one terrorist arrest because of it . not one.

NSA Domestic Surveillance Began 7 Months Before 9/11, Convicted Qwest CEO Claims
By Ryan Singel EmailOctober 11, 2007 | 7:20:59 PMCategories: NSA

follow qwest down the rabbit holeDid the NSA's massive call records database program pre-date the terrorist attacks of 9/11?

That startling allegation is in court documents released this week which show that former Qwest CEO Joseph Nacchio -- the head of the only company known to have turned down the NSA's requests for Americans' phone records -- tried, unsuccessfully, to argue just that in his defense against insider trading charges.

Nacchio was sentenced to 6 years in prison in 2007 after being found guilty of illegally selling shares based on insider information that the company's fortunes were declining. Nacchio unsuccessfully attempted to defend himself by arguing that he actually expected Qwest's 2001 earnings to be higher because of secret NSA contracts, which, he contends, were denied by the NSA after he declined in a February 27, 2001 meeting to give the NSA customer calling records, court documents released this week show.

AT&T, Verizon and Bellsouth all agreed to turn over call records to an NSA database, according to reporting in the USA Today in 2006. At that time, Nacchio's lawyer publicly stated that Nacchio declined to participate until served with a proper legal order.

The government has never confirmed or denied the existence of the program, but is trying to win legal immunity for telecoms being sued for their alleged participation in the call records program and the government's warrantless wiretapping of Americans. Turning over customer records to anyone, including the government, without proper legal orders violates federal privacy laws.

http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2007/10/n...ml#previouspost


now with this case - they have proof of illegal wiretapping. eventually if justice is fair and honest , bushco will be in jail.

Top Secret: We're Wiretapping You

NSA-Spied-On Lawyers Get Day in Court and New Yorker Profile

April 25, 2008

http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/04/n...pied-on-la.html

http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/n...1?currentPage=1

weren't something like 250 million UK citizens bank details recently 'stolen' (in the form of 4 computer CD's)

the 'info' can't be safeguarded..

they keep taking all this power and unable to use it correctly.. funny how they manage to bend over backwards to push THEIR agenda's but when it comes to us little people it's ok to be lax on our behalfs..

Hmm, I suppose if they are monitoring EVERYONE then when they catch someone doing something wrong it's not THAT illegal since the were not just watching/out to get you...they were watching everyone....

Kind of like random drug tests....so to speak

Yep,and I heard they're trying to pass a bill to make it so they have immunity.So even if the companys spy on you,there would be nothing you can do about it.This has actually been going on before 9-11.

Yes, the battle for our Civil liberties have been under attack since the day they were created. If we don't stand up to them they will be taken away.