This is not so much which console you think is the best, but an assesment of the marketting of each console early on.

On the basis of what you've seen, heard and smelt, Please awnser all questions accordingly.

I voted one on x box good games by mistake.
I meant playstation good games.

My theory is, it's not so much the technology of a console but how early you get it out of the door. Just look at the PS2 and Xbox, for instance!

I dunno Walken. Naturally the Xbox and PS2 are pretty even matched, yet it's clear the PS2 lacks in accordance with the Xbox on technology. Since PS3 is coming out later, it will have an advantage of being more worked on. However, you're right, alot of people will spend the money early on simply for having a new console, so Xbox360 might indeed have the advantage there.

Mr Ed, edited your mistaken vote.

Naturally, my choices are made for me based on the games for systems. I could not live, for example, without MGS4, which will be a PS3 exclusive. I'm sure it's the same for alot of people, naturally Walken could not live without Halo 3.
There are no wrong choices, no one is wrong in voting, only stating their choices and preferances.

And it's Revolution, Walken.

marketing has governed the winners and losers in the past, and will do so again......
ps3 will be a safe bet to continue the sony empire

I have no obligation to spell correctly

Yeah, MGS4 is the only reason so far I'm getting a PS3. I'm sure more will come along. Especially GTA, which I have no doubt the Sony team will contract in.



Damn right!

Thats why I own a PS2 and an Xbox - I can get any game I see fit. Except the GC Game's, but I don't really mind.

I don't think good technology in a console is as important as it seems. After all, the average console-buyer is not a gamer. It's a guy whose looking for an hour of fun after work before his date. He doesn't care whether it has 6 trillion mega-fonzes a second; He just wants to play some good games.

Thats why I think good marketing is much more important than the technology involved.

Thankyou Burnside.

Hmm, I would go for x box, probably going to be the most powerful and my hands are big enough for their original controllers.

Too bad ps3 will have bought up pretty much all of the best gaming titles, except Halo of course.

If that new Nintendo controller is for real, then I think they could fare pretty badly in this war.

I'm getting all three systems, and getting mentally ready to go hungry and sleepless for months to come.


Any way Nintendo supremacy

nintendo has two different conroller designs for games that both work. the remote looking one can be played sideways. They also have a ps2 looking one, and a type of motion sensor for certain games. Super Shash Bros. X all the way. Halo 3 will be cool too.

Ah yeah, the new Super Smash Bros. should be pretty cool.
If I were to buy one, I would probably buy it judging on the controllers and games.

Well between myself and Tiddljyen we will probably end up with all three but as I am a dedicated Nintendo fanboy I am after the Revolution most of all. Buy since I have a PS2 and a bloody lot go games on it a PS3 will probably be purchased somewhere down the track.
Nintendo`s approach at marketing for this console may not appear to be much but by not giving away as much info as the others, it does remain quite a mystery to many and create a lot of speculation which attracts far more interest and more potential buyers.
Although really the PS3 doesn`t have to do that much to attarct buyers anyway. lol.

I think a lot of people here share my opinion, and speculations. I also think that the XBox 360 will have an advantage because of its pre-holiday release, and the PS3 having an advantage because of its well known (and earned) reputation. However, I do think that the Revolution will make some sort of 'Revolution' with the controller, but the release date is poopy.

Its kinda like this:

Conveniant Stores: "Location, Location, Location!!"
Video Game Consoles: "Release Date, Release Date, Release Date!!"

I think that if Xbox 360 gets on top, it'll be up there for a while, if not forever. Mainly because of Halo 3 and its holiday release. It's kind of like taking a head start in a race. But, if I can, I'll buy both.

1. Because I've grown up with Sony (Family history around it).
2. Because Pepsi's backing Xbox 360.

So personally, it's a tie. And I think in the end it'll be a tie, too. Kinda like PS2 and Xbox right now.


Edit: Hrm... contradictions. Fixing now...
Edit2: Fixed.

Playstation will win simply because it is the choice of the casual gamer. Very few people are hardcore gamers or fanboys nowdays, which is probably in part the reason for Nintendo's decline.
Therefore people see the wide range of games on PS3 and pick it up.

I myself am undecided between 360 and PS3


And MGS4? after the travesty that was snake-eater I've all but given up on the series

its a hard decision as there are many factors to consider, i mean all consoles are trying something risky, nintendo with its new controller design and going back to aiming at kids more than mature audiences, microsoft rushing the xbox 360 so there will be 3 versions (normal version with DVD drive, normal version DVD drive with harddrive & eventually a HD-DVD drive, which will cause problems for developers as they won't be sure what to develop as they won't be sure what perfecnt of people have what type of the console also its obviouse to make up for lack of next generation disc format xbox 360 users will have to have disc swapping thus you can't have games like naughtdogs jak type games where the whole city is already loaded out) and Sony has hinted at a high price thats not affordable to the common household for PS3

but because i've supported the PS2 previouse generation, i will say PS3

No,
X360 is the obvious choice for a casual gamer. It's cheaper, it has a built in HD, has good online gameplay and many games. Most gamers are fanboys, most of them being Sony fanboys.

Xbox
Perfect Dark Zero
Halo
Project Gotham Racing
Dead or Alive
Dead Rising
Kameo
Oblivion
Ninety-nine nights
Gears of War

PS3
Metal Gear Solid
Devil May Cry
God of War
I-8
Warhawk
Killzone

It seems to me that people want PS3 more due to the success of the previous consoles and not the actual ability of the console itself.

the ability of the ps3 will be better than the xbox 360, besides atleast with ps3 games you won't constantly have to disk swap (as microsoft in their rush to release xbox360 have dropped HD-DVD drives or whatever you call them until later on in the xbox 360's lifes and with the high graphics/FMV's you'll expect a dvd to be filled up fairly quick and have alot of dvd's similar to the ammout of CD's UT2004 had) besides what a blantant rip-off as microsoft are selling the 20gb hardrive seperatly for $120 (in $AU) when i could buy a hardrive with more than 5x that ammount of storage for the same price

and there are many more games than those your have listed for the ps3 confirmed and its unfair for you to list more games for xbox 360 than ps3 as your just over exagerating the difference there are over a 100 games listed for release

besides the casual gamer would buy the xbox 360 that doesn't include the hardrive due to cost, so don't try to act like every xbox360 model includes it and how can you already comment on the quality of xbox 360's online capabilities when its not even out yet?

^The difference of ability between the X360 and PS3 is very small.
So what if you have to swap discs, that doesn't affect the gameplay at all; at least not for me.

There's also many more X360 games announced which I didnt include. I created that list by going to gaming forums and looking at the 'Top 5 most wanted games' for each console. It's not my fault if people chose more X360 games than PS3 ones.

Whether the casual gamer will buy the bundled X360 or the core 360 is yet to be seen, but at least they have the option. I can comment on Xbox Live's features due to the fact I've read literally dozens of articles about it and it's features which seem extremely impressive, but you're right; I haven't seen Sony Online's features yet, so I'll give you that.

I couldn't care less about Online features, i don't play online, and that also shapes my choice.
XBox is the obvious choice for the online gamer. Naturally, it dominates online now, and it will dominate online then too. PS3 will continue to rule with games i like and buy, Survival Horrors, RPGs and the like. It will have the ability to play more powerful games, graphically and massively, but it'll be largely for the single or in-house multiplayer.
Xbox360 is not for the casual gamer, that's just silly. Its for those who want the full gaming experience, the full avid game player who likes all the best stuff. The PS3 is very obviously the casual gaming choice, in my opinion, because it will be as it always has been. Slip in a disk, blow off some AI heads, turn off console. No hassle.
T you're stating things that have been argued about months ago. Even Walken knows that people who are going with PS3 aren't doing so 'just because it's playstation'. Naturally both consoles are actually quite different, and will have different games and features, and in the end what games and features appeal to you will make your choice. To me, that's all on PS3, Xbox360 has nothing i'm interested in. No games, that i could not get on PS3, especially.

Not quite a tie.

XBOX sales: 20 mil worldwide
PS2 sales: 80 mil worldwide

I'm impressed.
Today i was reading up in the paper the features revealed last night of the Xbox360 in Amsterdam.

When you boot up the Xbox, there will be a game-themed interactive guide, where you can log into a text or voice chat room, check player ratings, check buddy lists etc from players all over the world. That's right, there will be a world-wide player rating system, you'll know exactly who you've played with, where you stand in the world, etc etc.

The Xbox360 is going to be 100% completely online. There wont be any games at all that you cannot play online, and most you can only play online.
I don't like that. If you're big into online play, this is an orgasm in the full, but me, it doesn't appeal. I can't say that it isn't deeply impressive though, i'm just glad the PS3 wont be so completely online.

Although i know i think that nintendo will come in last i still go with them.
And i'm a hardcore nintendo fan.

The Revolution Is Coming Are You Ready?

The reason I say the X360 will be more appealing to the casual gamer is based on two things. The price (not confirmed, but most analysts are certain it will be quite a lot more than X360- we'll have to wait to find out), and the fact it will be released before the PS3. If the two were released at the same time and cost about the same I have no doubt the PS3 will be more sucessful, but like I said; the X360 will be released first and many casual gamers will spend their money on it just to have the new console.

I don't think release date has anything to do with what type of gamer will pick it up to be honest. Maybe the price, but you do have to dish out 400$ US to have a decent system here, and that's hefty enough as it is. I don't get this release date stuff. Just because it's coming out sooner, doesn't mean it's going to get more attention. If you're picking up a game system juust because it's out, however, then i suppose it would.

That is one HUGE problem with the future of consoles. Online play becomeing too dominating.

(>>> I am going somewhere with this, I swear)

Halo 3: The Ark is rumored to be the last in the saga. But will it be the final Halo game? Hell no! They'll be Halo games built specifically for online play, ect.

When I get Halo 3 what am I going to do first - I'm going to stay up all night drinking pepsi, breaking into a sweat as I desperatley try to discover the truth about the Ark, the fate of Master Chief on the doomed forerunner ship and where the Arbiters allegience truely lies.

I'm not going to log on to live straight away to argue with some 11 year old when he calls me a camping rocket-whore.

I buy games to break away from the real world. Just for a couple of hours I become a gun-toting cyborg from beyond the moon, and I like that. Compelling storylines grab me more than anything when it comes to games, and they just don't happen with online games.

So as a market becomes more and more online orientated, is the single player campag-in (the next stage in the natrual evoloution of story-telling) going to die out?

That is my single biggest worry about the future of video games.



My theory comes from the PS2 - Xbox scenerio.

The Xbox obviously is superior for technology, no? But because the PS2 came out years earlier it got 4X as many sales.

I think The Xbox360 would win due to good marketting and getting out sooner, HOWEVER the PS3 (Good games/reputation) could catch up easily.

And remember, the Sony team do have a KILLER reputation.

That's a good point in regards to PS2 coming out earlier than Xbox.

In regards to the future of videogames being online, that what i was saying as to why i'd probably favour PS3. I'm not a big online gamer, at all. I want to sit down, immerse myself in a new world and not worry about someone calling me a n00b fAQ. Xbox360 will be primarily online, whereas PS3 and Revo will be primarily single-player.

You have three different consoles focusing on three different things. It's a good time to be a gamer, there is alot to choose from, alot of variety. You can go with the Xbox360, frag for the rest of your life online fighting against thousands, millions of other gamers all over the world in various sports, battle sim etc games with uber-realism and the feeling of sitting side-by-side with online gamers.

Or, you can get the Revo, and play primarily by yourself with innovative new ways of playing games. Umm, and enjoying it too i'm sure.

And you have the PS3. Massive fantasy worlds created with amazing detail to immerse yourself in fully, but lack of contact with other gamers, mostly by yourself but with many games that will include online play. A little from column A, a little from column B.

In the end, if you can afford it, it's definately worth it to get two, one for online multiplayer purposes and one for offline RPG etc purposes.

Absoloubtley. Thats why I'll be getting a PS3 and Xbox360.

I wonder what online gameplay GTA4 will have.

maybe a MMORPG GTA type game could work on the X360

Maybe indeed, although i don't think they'll go straight from nothing to full-on 1000 people fighting in cities. It'll probably be much smaller, 10 people tops, driving over the cities and stuff fighting each other, working together, etc.

as much as i don't want to, i'm going to wait until they are both out for a year. something tells me that microsoft os going to be changing the xbox360. Also i would like to see if sony wins the fight for HD DVD format, if their blue ray tec works out for them, then it will have the added bonus of playing HD movies. I'm sure most of you have seen something in HD, if you haven't it is beyond words. Gaming is becoming such an overpowering form of entertainment.

i will most likely go with mircosoft unless they really screw things up. Games like Oblivion and the tom clancey games are what will suck me in. i'm not too impressed with sony's line up of games yet, i haven't played a good rpg on that system in years.

I'm not going to get into a fight, but let me put down some stuff.



Yes, the controller that is almost universally praised by developers and can fit many genres will fail horribly.



No one knows that the controller cradle will look like yet, that was just a rendering done by IGN.



The PS3's price will cause Sony to lose money even if it comes out at $500, they are used to doing that. I bet if they sell them at around $700 they might break even. The Xbox360 (or 1.5) doesn't look that much better yet, and the $300 version is crud. The Rev controller isn't aiming at kids, rather than adults in any way. They've made a controller to attract non-gamers as well as hard-core gamers. I do understand how people are weary of it though. It is like when Wind Waker came out everybody hated it, but when you actually play it, it is a great experience.

Here's who will be supporting Nintendo Revolution, just so you can't say there will be a lack of support.

Electronic Arts
Koei
Konami
Namco
Sega
Capcom
Square Enix
Activision
Atari
Bandai
Midway
THQ
Ubisoft

I think the PS3 will come out on top just because of the overhyped exclusive crappy games everybody likes and crosses fingers for huge support on the project Revolution.

And of course the 360 will have gamers support huge support! But how long will microsoft venture in the gaming industry last?

source

4 billion is a lot of money, nothing compared to the 60 billion microsoft is worth but wow 4 billion! I wonder if the expect to make that money back any time soon.

to the guy who said xbox will have the most games, many of them won't be to up to a year or more after its release according to this article:

In the run-up to today's X05 event in Amsterdam, the industry consensus was that Microsoft would use the event to announce the Xbox 360 launch line-up for North America, Europe, or both.

In fact, neither happened.

Speaking to the assembled press, Peter Moore, corporate vice president of worldwide Xbox marketing and publishing, boasted that there were 200 Xbox 360 games in development, including "many launch titles." Chief Xbox Officer Robbie Bach promised the console would have the "best games and launch lineup" of any console yet--but didn’t divulge all the games that will go on sale alongside the 360 November 22 in the US.

Adding to the confusion was a press release Microsoft issued titled "Xbox 360 Launch line-up announced." It only listed three first-party titles--Project Gotham Racing 3, Perfect Dark Zero, and Kameo: Elements of Power--under the heading "titles that will form part of the impressive Christmas holiday portfolio." The second category of games was called "other great games announced or shown at X05," and included Gears of War, FIFA 06: Road to FIFA World Cup, Full Auto, Saint’s Row, and Condemned: Criminal Origins, as well as the just-announced Too Human, Mass Effect, and Crackdown.

The release then listed a third category, "Franchise titles that will make their debut on Xbox 360," which included Superman Returns: The Videogame, Call of Duty 2, Castle Wolfenstein, The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, MotoGP 2006: Ultimate Racing Technology, Tom Clancy’s Splinter Cell 4, and Quake 4. Given that at least half the games listed have 2006 release dates--and some were just announced--it would be impossible for the release to contained the "Xbox 360 Launch lineup" as the title indicates. announced.

In an effort to clear up the confusion, GameSpot asked David Reid, director of platform marketing for Xbox, what the exact 360 launch lineup is. He said that "there will be 15 to 20 Xbox 360 titles available on launch day" with around another half-dozen making it to market by the end of the year. For the moment, though, he would only confirm eight titles as being available the same day and date as the 360: Project Gotham Racing 3, Kameo, Perfect Dark Zero, Madden NFL 06, NBA Live 06, Tiger Woods PGA Tour 06, Need for Speed Most Wanted, and FIFA 06: Road to FIFA World Cup.

As for the other seven to 12 Xbox 360 games that will be available on November 22, Reid said they would be announced "in the next few weeks." "They are currently in the final stages of certification," he told GameSpot, referring to the quality-assurance process all third-party games must go through from their respective console-maker. So it is likely that if any of the submitted games--which Reid declined to mention--do not pass the process sometime in the next fortnight, they will not make it to market by the end of the year.


If they dont have some great launch titles in that final 12 they are gonna go down the shitter something severe, also what happened to the whole 40 launch games?


http://hardware.gamespot.com/Story-ST-15016-2611-4-4-x


quoting quaqmire from official australian playstation forums

so i agree wtih him, what happend to this oh so impressive launch titles, their all sports games except perfect dark zero which is the only game so far mentioned worth playing

Reguarding GTA for PS3, It was announced by OPSM that Rockstar has had PS3 Dev Kits since augest and was in Dev process for GTA4 for PS3 in late '06, in that case, they won't be able to port GTA4 to Xbox360..

If they wait until 108GB Blu Ray is made, and use it to its full potential (or 54 GB one even) they can't port it to 360's HD-DVD (26GB)

I voted PS3.

Interesting that more people will be buying the Nintendo Rev than the 360. Is this because of the price?

Are you reading the poll right cause it looks like x-box is ahead.

Yup.

Which Will you be Buying?

Xbox360 - 2

Nintendo REV - 4

oops looking at the wrong poll. Maybe the rev will be cheap.

THe rev will win beacause it cheap really fun nand attracts non gamers to gaming with will help the wimpy Xb360 and also the Cool PS3

After reading everyones responses I can't decide.

I definetly know I won't be getting online for xbox 360 but Halo 3 is calling me.
But you say PS3 will be best for casual gamers which I am.

Decisions, decisions.

I don’t know how many of you are aware of the format war but here it is Toshiba/Hitachi
is pushing HD-DVD and Sony/Philips is pushing Blu-ray.

Will the winner of the format wars decide your choice of next gen console?

Microsoft has gone HD-DVD and admits if Blu-ray becomes the standard then it will have upgrade. Since Nintendo is coming out later in the year I guess it can pick between the two, but since Nintendo works closely with Panasonic Blu-Ray is their number one choice, for now.

Out of the two Blu-Ray is everything HD-DVD is but can store 25GB, 10 more then HD-DVD’s 15GB. HD-DVD limit is 60+(dual layer and compression) and Blue Ray can go even higher 200GB (daul layer and compression, over kill) theoretically. HD-DVD it support more codecs, and since its based on current DVD tech its cheaper to produce and obviously a HD-DVD player will be cheaper also. Also Blu-Ray player can be backward compatible so it can also play older formats and I bet it can play HD-DVD. One thing that sucks about Blu-ray for me is it has better security, so imagine you have a copied movie your Blu-ray player can check for verification (imagine connecting your player online just to verify a movie)

So far blu-ray has huge support. But HD-DVD also has big names to it so there is no clear winner. And some of the movie studios decided to produce

What also hurts Blu-ray is that the x-box 360 will support HD-DVD not the one at launch but the upgraded ones later in the year. So HD-DVD got an early start, even though you can buy a Blu-ray player today in Japan but why spend 2000 with no content support.

Here is my opinion Blu-ray should definitely win its way better then HD-DVD. What sucks about it I might end up buying a lot more expensive hardware in the near future. Also since the common consumer is not tech savvy they probably would go with HD-DVD because it has the words DVD on it. So they should rename Blu-ray which sound cool already in Blu-DVD or Blu-ray DVD. And also when was the last time Sony actually succeeded putting out a standard . The only way I see HD-DVD winning if they support a codec that is so superior that it does not matter how much space is on the disc. Also there is some nasty info on whether blu-ray can deliver mostly by Microsoft. (didn’t kno Microsoft played dirty like that.

Another funny thing that could happen is people don’t upgrade to HD and they both lose and the regular DVD format wins. Don’t forget you need an HD TV to use the format and HD TV’s maybe projected to be the standard in 2008-10 the earliest.

Like the majority of the public I‘m not HD TV ready!

Imagine HD-DVD folds and Microsoft has to ask Sony for Blu-ray drives. Also the same is true for Sony if HD-DVD wins Sony will have to ask Toshiba or another company for drives.
But note just because sony and microsoft are on different sides it just means they won't play hd movies if on format wins, they could still develop hd games for the repspective formats.

As for Nintendo it can go both ways but it seems like their firm about using Blu-ray just for the storage space, but it kinds of contradicts what they said when they announced they will not support HD, if true then they must be using a different format for their games.


Here is the best source about this battle link

Nintendo said that currently they are not looking to support HD. However, they have been mulling it over because of the huge fan response. They haven't announced what format the discs will be, although it is very likely that they will be dual-sided. NEC is supporting HD DVD and are working on the Rev, but Nintendo is close with Panasonic who is supporting Blu-ray. So it could really go either way.


Neither am I.

i think the whole thing is stupid,

IF YOU LIKE XBOX, BUY XBOX

IF YOU LIKE PS3, BUY PS3

this is so old and not worthy of bandwidth

oh, plus, if you voted for the console because of the spec your a retard.

a console can have a freakin 10 core cell proc, 10000000GBs of ram and whatever, but, THE GAMES ARE WHAT MATTER!

Yeah, I agree on that one.

But, if I had to choose.. PS3 will rip NR/Xbox360 apart.

Just got an Xbox 360 today; and it's fantastic. The graphics are good, the games are fun, and the consoles interactivity is great. I'll post a proper review later. The only bad thing I would say about it is, it's not exactly a 'toy'. Other consoles involve turning on the console and putting in a disc; but this I've found to be quite complicated. The dashboard takes a while to get used to, but once you do get used to it all, it's great. But I wouldn't recommend it for young kids, they'd get lost in all of the menu's.

Nice

I have found out that the xbox 360 freezes alot.

^I think that's only on faulty Xbox's. Mine's been fine and hasn't frozen once.

I do believe that this "war" will certainly feature all three consoles. Down here in Australia it ended up just being a two-horse race between the PS2 and X-box. The gamecube just faded into obscurity, much like the X-box in Japan. Microsoft in my opinion are just playing it safe releasing an extermly suped up version of the X-box while Sony have taken it further using new technologies. Then we have Nintendo who are really gambling with their new controller and forms of interactivity while not concentrating on increasing overall power or graphics as much as the others.

It shall be very interesting.