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Jesusfan
Just wanted to let you all know that it has been very interesting reading the discussions concerning Loch ness Monster... Question I have, is that recently read book called The Loch, and author concept of Nessie was that it could be a very large, mutated form of an Ell.. This Ell was roughly 10-12 ft long, but as a result of being trapped in loch ness from sargasso seas, would grow to 50-60 feet long...

Also have read that some scientists think that it may even be a very large sea slug type creature... Any ideas about Nessie actually being a Giant ell, or else Slug?
Conspiracy
i cant see nessie bieng a slug, only can see it as a large form of eel or a fake project OR a actual live plesiosaur
foamy is god
i had a theroy to what if nessie is just a underground base for fish who are trying to take over the world
draconic chronicler
Nessie can only be an eel or sturgeon if we completely dismiss the majority of sightings, including those of her spotted on shore, and detailed descriptions of a very equine-like head. On the contrary, nessie seems to resemble many other "lake monster" descriptions. If we conclude the "authentic" sightings are all the same type of animal, the best guess is that these are a primivtive zeuglodon type whale, which looks very much like a classic "sea serpent", being very elongated, and would have moved like a sea serpent as well, creating the tell-tale humps.

As for the new Loch Ness book, it is a total piece of crap. Just another predictable "kill the bad monster" fairytale. The author may claim Nessie is a giant eel, but he is so completely ignorant of real eel habits and abiities that is has become a kind of devious fantasy sea dragon instead, complete with a bone-strewn above water "lair" (something a "fish" would really have, right?).

Unlike even most other lake monsters, from the earliest accounts Nessie has never attacked a human, yet these idiot authors turn the creature into a rapacious man-eating monster to be ultimately slain by the human hero in the last chapter (oblivious to the fact the Scottish authorities would never allow it to happen, and would sooner shoot the human slayer than a creature tha has become a national icon). What garbage. Nessie needs a good lawyer to sue the bastards for writing and printing such BS.
Jesusfan
QUOTE(Conspiracy @ Oct 5 2005, 01:13 AM) [snapback]874419[/snapback]

i cant see nessie bieng a slug, only can see it as a large form of eel or a fake project OR a actual live plesiosaur

Know that there have been reports of extremely large Eels being sighted in the Ocean, could this be Nessie?

Also, there has been speculations that there might exist a very long necked type of unknown large seal, could this be nessie?

Finally, could Nessie could a combination of Sturgeon, Seal, eel, and perhaps some type of slim Whale creature? Simce it would appear that Champ just might be a long and slender Whale thought extinct, could Nessie be?

Just find it more plausible that if nessie exists, that it would turn out to be some type of warm blooded creature... Seal/Whale etc?
Bio-Mage
The slug theory is all but new, yet it lacks any creativity as a slug and a supposed Plesiosaur have eyepocking differences.

The eel theory is the favourite yet they have not produced one specimen from any of the lakes or rivers the sightings take place. Pretty strange if you ask me...
SingTheSorrow
I have heard many different theories about Nessie and Champ. But this eel one is new. Honestly I wouldn't dismiss ANY rumors about Nessie or Champ. How do we even know there is something in the water, are there authentic DNA samples or even a picture that ISN't in Black and white? As for me, I hope there is something in the water. Maybe it's dangerous, maybe not. We may all find out one day.
Jesusfan
QUOTE(draconic chronicler @ Oct 5 2005, 08:30 AM) [snapback]874590[/snapback]

Nessie can only be an eel or sturgeon if we completely dismiss the majority of sightings, including those of her spotted on shore, and detailed descriptions of a very equine-like head. On the contrary, nessie seems to resemble many other "lake monster" descriptions. If we conclude the "authentic" sightings are all the same type of animal, the best guess is that these are a primivtive zeuglodon type whale, which looks very much like a classic "sea serpent", being very elongated, and would have moved like a sea serpent as well, creating the tell-tale humps.

As for the new Loch Ness book, it is a total piece of crap. Just another predictable "kill the bad monster" fairytale. The author may claim Nessie is a giant eel, but he is so completely ignorant of real eel habits and abiities that is has become a kind of devious fantasy sea dragon instead, complete with a bone-strewn above water "lair" (something a "fish" would really have, right?).

Unlike even most other lake monsters, from the earliest accounts Nessie has never attacked a human, yet these idiot authors turn the creature into a rapacious man-eating monster to be ultimately slain by the human hero in the last chapter (oblivious to the fact the Scottish authorities would never allow it to happen, and would sooner shoot the human slayer than a creature tha has become a national icon). What garbage. Nessie needs a good lawyer to sue the bastards for writing and printing such BS.


Agree with you that the story of the book The Loch was totally fiction, but just was curious if there could be more of a rational explanation for Nessie/Champ/Ogopoga etc than just that they are Dinosaurs...

That is why I am trying to speculate and reason out what would be the best fit for all of the variables for these Lake Monsters, and believe that though majority of sigtings are either honest mistakes, lafe effects, and large fish, believe that some do fit into the category of being real animals, and believe that either long necked unknown seals, and that Whale that you mentioned seem to fit the bill best...

I do not believe in the Dinosaur explanation, but am open to them being animals also thought to be extinct, specfically Mammals...

Essan
Most most sightings are actually otters, birds or deer - or maybe even the odd errant seal. People see what they want to see. We all know what Nessie looks like, so anything that look slike Nessie must be Nessie.

Sonar reports can be explained by eunach eels - as Jesusfan suggests - or sturgeon. And I believe that that is exactly what today's mosnter is - also explaining how it survives and why it is so rarely seen.

Which really only leaves us with pre 1930 reports to contend with, especially since those reports originate from locals and are more widespread across the Highlands. Something must have given rise to the belief in the Each Uisge - the water horse - and my money is on another, probably extinct, crypto:- the Dobhar Cu, or King Otter.
foamy is god
does any1 have a comment about my threroy because i swear to god (foamy) this is the truth
draconic chronicler
I agree, Jesusfan that the animal would most likely be a mammal, and many of the reports of Nessie and other lake monsters strongly suggest an appearance of the early marine mammals like basilosaurus, which looks very much like a "sea serpent", with its extremely elongated body. When moving on the water's surface, because of it mammalian, up-down mode of locomotion would create the telltale "humps" characteristic of these cryptos, but not something we see in the sideways motion of eels, sturgeon and aquatic reptiles of today. The existence of large eels and sturgeon in Loch Ness only verifies a food source to sustain an even larger aquatic creature that actually has the characteristics of the eyewitness accounts (seen on land, equine head, etc.)
Arranoth
QUOTE(Jesusfan @ Oct 5 2005, 08:52 AM) [snapback]874610[/snapback]

Know that there have been reports of extremely large Eels being sighted in the Ocean, could this be Nessie?

Also, there has been speculations that there might exist a very long necked type of unknown large seal, could this be nessie?

Finally, could Nessie could a combination of Sturgeon, Seal, eel, and perhaps some type of slim Whale creature? Simce it would appear that Champ just might be a long and slender Whale thought extinct, could Nessie be?

Just find it more plausible that if nessie exists, that it would turn out to be some type of warm blooded creature... Seal/Whale etc?


Yep. I read somewhere that scientists had found a six-foot long eel larva in a trench. Imagine how big the parent would be.
Piney

I like the primative whale theory considering none of those northern lakes could be very warm. This is a 'rodhocetus' a 47 million yr old extinct whale they found in Pakistan and it could come on to land. I read that many lake monster could do this. I actually found this on the National Geographic website while looking for something else.

Lapi'che
Accident
its probably goverment stuff.. no one thought of that? mutations...
or its a dinosaur that is still alive and maybe.. breeding?.....
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