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InMyNature
Hey there. i was talking about this in another thread when i decided to start it up as a new topic.
i had an nde a couple of years ago and i found that my experiences were diffrent to how it has been explained by others.
i fell unconcious about 15 minutes after my accident. after that i had a wierd but good feeling in myself. i was standing in a street and there was a big crowd of people. i didnt see what they were looking at. things looked brighter than they do usually but not blinding. i felt weightless. when the crowd moved a bit i could see myself on the floor. i had an oxygen mask on and someone was giving me cpr. i wasnt scared tho. during this time i felt butterflies in my stomache. i dont know how else to explain it. then i saw a paramedic shocking my heart. things went a bit blurry then i saw them doing cpr again then i remeber waking up in the hospital with a lot of pain. i remebered everything i saw but i didnt know if it was real or not. the doctor confirmed it all. he told me that my heart stopped and they had to give me cpr and shock my heart twice. i was brought back but arrested again in the ambulance. they had to continue cpr and shock my heart once more.
a thing im confused about is that i didnt see the light in the tunnel. has anyone else ever had an nde before? if so what did you see? ive thought about this a lot since it happened and am really lost.
some input would be good here.

InMyNature
earthchick
From your description, it sounds as though you never really died. Though your heart stopped beating twice, your brain and the rest of your body was still alive. I would say that you actually experienced an obe (out of body experience) rather than an nde. Your spirit briefly left your body and you were able to view them resuscitating you. That is one possible explanation for why you didn't "go into the light".
Pelican_Eel
that was the first stage, if you haven't been saved you would see the tunnel. dying people often have those two experiences - out of body and then tunnel.
InMyNature
QUOTE(earthchick @ Oct 6 2005, 06:59 AM) [snapback]876129[/snapback]

From your description, it sounds as though you never really died. Though your heart stopped beating twice, your brain and the rest of your body was still alive. I would say that you actually experienced an obe (out of body experience) rather than an nde. Your spirit briefly left your body and you were able to view them resuscitating you. That is one possible explanation for why you didn't "go into the light".


thats a thought. one thing im confused about is that i dont remeber seeing myself in the ambulance. the doctor told me that my heart stopped in there to. why didnt i see that also? i saw myself being resusitated in the street but not after. how come i can only remember a few things?
SoLLiZ
i was dead for roughly 14 minutes, and came back with only mild brain damage (although my wife would argue that one, lol) i saw a bright light, but never a tunnel of light like you always here about. i went from being in the hospital room to standing in a forest. it was peaceful, and there were no bugs trying to eat me original.gif

some of the stuff that i saw i don't like to talk about. it wasn't bad, it was just personal. i'll just say i saw some dead friends and relatives, and one very cool thing happened. i found out that i had a brother who passed away before i was born. my parents never told me about him, but i asked my mom and she freaked out.
earthchick
QUOTE(InMyNature @ Oct 6 2005, 05:56 PM) [snapback]877045[/snapback]

thats a thought. one thing im confused about is that i dont remeber seeing myself in the ambulance. the doctor told me that my heart stopped in there to. why didnt i see that also? i saw myself being resusitated in the street but not after. how come i can only remember a few things?


The only thing that I can guess is that because in the ambulance, the paramedics were right there and were able to resuscitate you immediately.....so your heart didn't stop as long that second time.


QUOTE(SoLLiZ @ Oct 6 2005, 10:57 PM) [snapback]877495[/snapback]

some of the stuff that i saw i don't like to talk about. it wasn't bad, it was just personal. i'll just say i saw some dead friends and relatives, and one very cool thing happened. i found out that i had a brother who passed away before i was born. my parents never told me about him, but i asked my mom and she freaked out.


That is awe inspiring! Now you know what awaits you some day.
ComplicatedParadise
Wow thats intresting. I have never had this experience. But I did have a friend(well sort of friend because she lost my trust after doing drugs etc.) once have this sort of thing happen to her. She was sitting in her hospital bed once when she was real sick and she said she felt like she was going to sleep, but all the sudden her heart moniter went flat. The doctors came running in, trying to pump her heart, and she said she felt herself lift free from her body, she felt light, and she said all the sudden things went very dark. She some form of heat like fire shooting out from the darkness, it was very hot and she felt herself began to scream, but nothing came out of her mouth. As she starred into the dark she heard a voice calling her name, and heard people screaming at the top of their lungs in pain. After the voice stopped she felt herself slam into her body. She woke up and the doctors were around her, and she saw her parents there too. They were crying, but she said all she could do was lie in shock. To this day it has been 4 months since that experience and she says now she attends church and prays, before she had a rough time, she never went to church and was into drugs, sex etc....but I was really scared for her after she told me this, she has even encouraged me to be more in tune with my religion.
mynameischris88
I would be glad to know what direction i'm heading for in the after life before i die to get a chance to know if i need to be more than what i am, (or wateva).

Thats pretty freaky. I have no idea how i would react to a situation like that, i too would probably be crapping myself.

But yet again, I dunno. At the moment, I'm too depressed to care about pain or fear and just lived today without worrying about it, even burnt my arm on the BBQ deliberately with a hot spatula, and walked into the dark in the backyard without out a worry, despite previous fears i got. Just one of those day, Lol. But interesting near death experience.

At the moment i have been reading articles at www.psipog.org (or something) about inducing a outer body experience (obe). I tried last night, and got some of a wierd sense of my soul comin' out, nothing visual. Wonder whats gonna happen tonight in my next attempt. geek.gif
broken_inside
I've never had a near death experience :/
ShaunZero
QUOTE(broken_inside @ Oct 7 2005, 11:05 AM) [snapback]877875[/snapback]

I've never had a near death experience :/



Uhhhh, isn't that a good thing? XD...

My girlfriend's dad had a near deathe experience.. To put it short:

He has heart problems, so he had 2 near death experiences. The first time he saw hell, people were screaming in pain, and then he went back into his body. That's all I know about that one. Well, his next one, he claims to have seen God. God told him that he had ONE more chance, then sent him back into his body. Now, this man use to be pretty crazy, he tried killing his wife(He's bipolar, wich could explain why he saw those things). But, now he seems like a changed man so far. I hope so anyway, it's my future father in-law O_o
SoLLiZ
QUOTE(mynameischris88 @ Oct 7 2005, 05:15 AM) [snapback]877846[/snapback]

I would be glad to know what direction i'm heading for in the after life before i die to get a chance to know if i need to be more than what i am, (or wateva).

Thats pretty freaky. I have no idea how i would react to a situation like that, i too would probably be crapping myself.




i think it's just how you live your life. i'm not religious or anything.

also, the muscles in your body relax when you die, and you empty your bowels. i didn't know abou that 'til my experience. so yes, you would probably would crap yourself. i kno i did. grin2.gif
Turtle
QUOTE(InMyNature @ Oct 5 2005, 04:53 PM) [snapback]875481[/snapback]

Hey there. i was talking about this in another thread when i decided to start it up as a new topic.
i had an nde a couple of years ago and i found that my experiences were diffrent to how it has been explained by others.
i fell unconcious about 15 minutes after my accident. after that i had a wierd but good feeling in myself. i was standing in a street and there was a big crowd of people. i didnt see what they were looking at. things looked brighter than they do usually but not blinding. i felt weightless. when the crowd moved a bit i could see myself on the floor. i had an oxygen mask on and someone was giving me cpr. i wasnt scared tho. during this time i felt butterflies in my stomache. i dont know how else to explain it. then i saw a paramedic shocking my heart. things went a bit blurry then i saw them doing cpr again then i remeber waking up in the hospital with a lot of pain. i remebered everything i saw but i didnt know if it was real or not. the doctor confirmed it all. he told me that my heart stopped and they had to give me cpr and shock my heart twice. i was brought back but arrested again in the ambulance. they had to continue cpr and shock my heart once more.
a thing im confused about is that i didnt see the light in the tunnel. has anyone else ever had an nde before? if so what did you see? ive thought about this a lot since it happened and am really lost.
some input would be good here.

InMyNature


Welcome to the Forum/
What you feel is what many experiencers feel after their experience, so take note that you are not alone.
A great support group to help you along is IANDS.
It has oddles of information to help you.
There are also sites specifically set up so you can go and share with others.
Try looking in one of these:
Near Death Studies
Near-Death Research Foundation

Here is the link for Iands:
IANDS SUPPORT CENTER
There are others. Just Google Near-death Experiences and begin the journey.
I had a simalar experience 5 years ago and can relate to your feelings of being lost.
Just PM me if you have any questions.
There is also a thread in the spirituality and Skepticism, titled Is God in our minds.
started by me.
Check it out and post comments there.

Blessings
InMyNature
thanks turtle. thumbsup.gif
Mr.vort
QUOTE(SoLLiZ @ Oct 8 2005, 03:19 AM) [snapback]879008[/snapback]

i think it's just how you live your life. i'm not religious or anything.

also, the muscles in your body relax when you die, and you empty your bowels. i didn't know abou that 'til my experience. so yes, you would probably would crap yourself. i kno i did. grin2.gif


I agree.

I also think if you dont believe in heaven or hell (like me) there is no heaven or hell...

When you die whatever you believe happens when you die will happen...

I also am not religious...so I hope I'm right..... dontgetit.gif
InMyNature
can somone help me........ive been having some relly wierd things happening in my sleep lately. just so you know ive been having obes since my nde and id never had them before. my obes use to be peacful and fun but now im having some wierd feelings.
in my sleep i come out of my body and watch myself but lately ive been having the same feelings of butterflys in my stomache and judders.........its the same feeling as when they were pumping my heart and shocking it. i come back into my body again and it takes me a long time to wake up. sometimes i cant breath. what is happeneing because my obes arent the same anymore. am i having an nde again...........i mean am i dying in my sleep and coming back to life?

InMyNature
Mr.vort
QUOTE(InMyNature @ Oct 17 2005, 09:10 PM) [snapback]891422[/snapback]

can somone help me........ive been having some relly wierd things happening in my sleep lately. just so you know ive been having obes since my nde and id never had them before. my obes use to be peacful and fun but now im having some wierd feelings.
in my sleep i come out of my body and watch myself but lately ive been having the same feelings of butterflys in my stomache and judders.........its the same feeling as when they were pumping my heart and shocking it. i come back into my body again and it takes me a long time to wake up. sometimes i cant breath. what is happeneing because my obes arent the same anymore. am i having an nde again...........i mean am i dying in my sleep and coming back to life?

InMyNature

Did you ever have your picture taken.....cause its stealing your soul....
triplikeido
wow. good stories in this thread. i have one too.

my NDE was when i was 16. I was visiting a friend in vancouver canada. we went on a drive one day to get some green stuff. when we got there she just said "i'll be back in a few" and then she went inside. leaving her keys and the radio on.

well during those annoying radio commercials i saw that she had a tape adapter for a cd player laying on the floor. i remembered that I had my CD's and walkman in the trunk so i crawled into the backseat. her trunk was accessable by folding the seat down. so that i did. got my stuff, hooked it up and then decided to stay in the backseat to stretch out my legs.

shortly after I started having problems taking deep breathes. It had been about 5 minutes since she went inside. I didn't think much of it at first but it progressively got worse and every time i enhaled i got weaker and weaker. it was exhausting to move even a little. I thought i was getting heat sickness or something of the sort because it was a warm and humid day. I thought i was just having symptoms with the humidity.

I could literally feel my air passages closing and I started gasping for air. it felt like my throat and lungs were made out of chalkboard material, felt like i had no moisture inside me it was aweful.

by then i realized what was going on. Carbon Monoxide Poisoning. I didn't even know she left the car on the hole vehicle was so still and silent especially with music playing and it was a convertable, the top was down. it took me a while to figure it out given these circumstances.

i started panicing and simultaneously felt like i was passing out. I didn't want to lose consciousness. I tried to climb out of the car because i didn't have enough strength to pull a lever, push a seat forward and open a door (2 door i was in the back). this was when the supernatural kicked in.

I heard a womans voice around me. her voice was so gorgeous and amazingly loving, she sounded like she was singing or humming or speaking but just extending the words in the most soothing way imaginable... it's hard to explain. but I believe she either controlled me or fed me strength to reach for the keys and pull out of the ignition. after i did that i didn't even attempt to get out of the car i just put my head down and listened to the voice. i was still on the verge of being unconscious. i had no energy left to toil with. I thought the voice was an angel to greet my before i died. All i could do was put my head down and listen.

shortly after i turned off the car i heard "sorry i took so long" and my friend was back. she noticed me lying half way in front and half way in the back of the car in between the drver and passenger seats so she asked if i was ok right away. I could still hear the voice of what i believed was an angel helping me and comforting me with her voice, and i really didn't want to let it get away so i stayed silent, just moved my fingers a little bit. she grabbed my head and turned it to face her saying "OMG your eyes are blood red!!!"

she started the car up again and sped back home. on the way back i sat up to breath fresh air. the top was still down of course so believe me i was breathing like their was no tomorrow. The angel's voice started fading away the more i recovered. I thought i was going to die but the angel saved me. that i believe.

Before that day i thought carbon monoxide only killed people in confined places like garages and inside homes not for instance outdoors in a convertible with the top down. "the invisable killer" lingers in the air, anywhere. there was no wind that day. just hot, thick humid air and me in a car with an emissions problem. i must have been caught in the middle of the CM coud for oproximately 15-20 minutes.

I didn't see anything that day but i heard the voice of an angel. when i heard it i could hardley hear anything else. it's kinda like when you start falling asleep with the tv on and it gets muffled gradually the longer you close your eyes. I really can't express the beauty of the voice. that voice that didn't go away until i was ok. I'll never forget this experience.
Bebi
QUOTE(InMyNature @ Oct 17 2005, 09:10 PM) [snapback]891422[/snapback]

can somone help me........ive been having some relly wierd things happening in my sleep lately. just so you know ive been having obes since my nde and id never had them before. my obes use to be peacful and fun but now im having some wierd feelings.
in my sleep i come out of my body and watch myself but lately ive been having the same feelings of butterflys in my stomache and judders.........its the same feeling as when they were pumping my heart and shocking it. i come back into my body again and it takes me a long time to wake up. sometimes i cant breath. what is happeneing because my obes arent the same anymore. am i having an nde again...........i mean am i dying in my sleep and coming back to life?

InMyNature


Do you think the OBE's could be triggered via stress? Maybe you've been affected more by the accident than you realise; post traumatic stress can have many forms. I'd suggest a quick chat with your GP about it to be on the safe side just to get the physical side of it checked out, you don't need to mention the OBE side of it if you don't want to, I'm just concerned about the palpitation descriptions and lack of breath...
Cinders
QUOTE(SoLLiZ @ Oct 6 2005, 05:57 PM) [snapback]877495[/snapback]

i was dead for roughly 14 minutes, and came back with only mild brain damage (although my wife would argue that one, lol) i saw a bright light, but never a tunnel of light like you always here about. i went from being in the hospital room to standing in a forest. it was peaceful, and there were no bugs trying to eat me original.gif

some of the stuff that i saw i don't like to talk about. it wasn't bad, it was just personal. i'll just say i saw some dead friends and relatives, and one very cool thing happened. i found out that i had a brother who passed away before i was born. my parents never told me about him, but i asked my mom and she freaked out.


Glad you made it through that ordeal.. Thank you so much for sharing your experiance.

I've never had an OBE, or NDE, but I was often at my dying grandfathers bedside just before he completely went to "the other side". Over the 2 year treatment for his bone cancer, my grandfather's wishes was to be at home and not in a hospital or hospice.
The week of his death - he passed away on Sunday morning Of Mothers day in 1995- On the Tuesday before his death, we had one of our private talks that I will never forget..

He started talking about all these people that he seemed to have been recently talking to... and a bit later into our talk, I finally realized he was talking about the people that were already on the other side. I started to freak out and cry.. (I was in denial that he was going to die) He tried to comfort ME instead! Bless his soul and he changed the subject saying he was going to get up soon and start working on things that need to be done- he was a carpenter by trade, and immigrated here to the US back in 1928 from Norway..

During that discussion, he also gave me words that I should have heeded long ago, saying to me " Cindy, don't sweat the small stuff" as I was always concerned or worried about too many things.

My daughter, during this time, was cared for by my grandmother.. they insisted on watching her even though they were going through all this. My daughter's name is Nelja, (a name my grandfather asked me to carry down in the family) - it was also his mother's and his daughter's (my aunt) name- both passed away long before he passed away in 1995.

Just the week before his death, I would come pick up my daughter, and she would tell me things that Poppy (my grandfather) would say. One of them was when my grandmother went into their room to care for Poppy. Nelja was just outside the door watching and listening.. they did not know she was there. She heard Poppy say, " I saw Nelja, right there at the end of my bed again- she was smiling and glowing. Right there in this room with me."

My daughter told me that she was not in the room that day and was confused by all this. And I told her.. in the best way I could that it may have been AUNT Nelja -he would always refer to his mother Nelja, as Mother. (hence my more frequent visits after hearing that.)

I feel a little better though, knowing he is with "family and friends" on the other side. And I used to be terrified of death.. but I don't fear it nearly as much now.
QueryAnalyzer
QUOTE(InMyNature @ Oct 5 2005, 04:53 PM) [snapback]875481[/snapback]

shocking my heart. things went a bit blurry

InMyNature


I hope InMyNature is still around, cause his post is kind of old. Could the blurry thing be a sign that your brain was starting to die at that time?
Cinders
QUOTE(QueryAnalyzer @ Jan 13 2006, 10:01 AM) [snapback]1019605[/snapback]

I hope InMyNature is still around, cause his post is kind of old. Could the blurry thing be a sign that your brain was starting to die at that time?


Wow.. you are right.. his/her post was from Oct 2005.

Oh, I just checked on his profile, and it shows he was last active on 11th January 2006 - 07:48 AM
Bebi
Breathes sigh of relief whistling2.gif I was getting worried then
kjmk
QUOTE(SoLLiZ @ Oct 6 2005, 08:57 PM) [snapback]877495[/snapback]

i was dead for roughly 14 minutes, and came back with only mild brain damage (although my wife would argue that one, lol) i saw a bright light, but never a tunnel of light like you always here about. i went from being in the hospital room to standing in a forest. it was peaceful, and there were no bugs trying to eat me original.gif

some of the stuff that i saw i don't like to talk about. it wasn't bad, it was just personal. i'll just say i saw some dead friends and relatives, and one very cool thing happened. i found out that i had a brother who passed away before i was born. my parents never told me about him, but i asked my mom and she freaked out.



Some day SolliZ if your up to it, myself and I'm sure others would like to hear more about your nbe. I think maybe some of us could learn something from it. thumbsup.gif
Cinders
QUOTE(kjmk @ Jan 13 2006, 02:38 PM) [snapback]1019968[/snapback]

Some day SolliZ if your up to it, myself and I'm sure others would like to hear more about your nbe. I think maybe some of us could learn something from it. thumbsup.gif


I agree..
SoLLiZ
well. ask away. like i said, some of it is personal, so i may not give answers. but it never hurts to ask.
ShaunZero
QUOTE(Bebi @ Jan 13 2006, 05:02 PM) [snapback]1019535[/snapback]

Do you think the OBE's could be triggered via stress? Maybe you've been affected more by the accident than you realise; post traumatic stress can have many forms. I'd suggest a quick chat with your GP about it to be on the safe side just to get the physical side of it checked out, you don't need to mention the OBE side of it if you don't want to, I'm just concerned about the palpitation descriptions and lack of breath...



I don't think that explains seeing himself laying there and then the doctor validating this.
Cinders
QUOTE(SoLLiZ @ Jan 13 2006, 08:17 PM) [snapback]1020562[/snapback]

well. ask away. like i said, some of it is personal, so i may not give answers. but it never hurts to ask.


I appreciate this SolliZ. When my grandfather was telling me of the family and friends he saw he was saying that they were all in this beautiful place.. much like a meadow or huge glowing sunny fields. They were all there gathered and happy- saying EVERYONE was there and it was so beautiful! He looked so happy telling me about it. He was suffering terribly from his cancer and while telling me this story, it was like he was totally alive again.

I thought he was originally speaking about when he was back in Norway as a child, and once a week family and friends would gather etc (he often would tell me of these happy gatherings in Norway for many years) .. but it was later into our discussion, that the people he was talking about were already passed away! I wish I had not cried and got uptight.. I would have learned much more.

Can you remember the surroundings and what it was like? Was everyone happy to see you? When you had to leave and come back, did you want to leave or did you want to stay with them? Anything you can comfortably tell us would really be appreciated - more than you know.
Bebi
QUOTE(ZeroShadow @ Jan 14 2006, 10:22 AM) [snapback]1020900[/snapback]

I don't think that explains seeing himself laying there and then the doctor validating this.


I meant the ones that were happening when he wrote the last thread, not the original at the accident. I was wondering if the original OBE somehow made it easier for him to OBE again and stress is a trigger?
SoLLiZ
QUOTE(Cinders @ Jan 14 2006, 10:04 AM) [snapback]1021136[/snapback]

I appreciate this SolliZ. When my grandfather was telling me of the family and friends he saw he was saying that they were all in this beautiful place.. much like a meadow or huge glowing sunny fields. They were all there gathered and happy- saying EVERYONE was there and it was so beautiful! He looked so happy telling me about it. He was suffering terribly from his cancer and while telling me this story, it was like he was totally alive again.

I thought he was originally speaking about when he was back in Norway as a child, and once a week family and friends would gather etc (he often would tell me of these happy gatherings in Norway for many years) .. but it was later into our discussion, that the people he was talking about were already passed away! I wish I had not cried and got uptight.. I would have learned much more.

Can you remember the surroundings and what it was like? Was everyone happy to see you? When you had to leave and come back, did you want to leave or did you want to stay with them? Anything you can comfortably tell us would really be appreciated - more than you know.


the surroundings began with the hospital room, i was standing on the floor and not floating like some people have said before. then i turned around and there was a quick flash of white light. sorta like when you get punched in the face, only without the pain lol. then i was in a forest. the tree's were not cramped together, and were kinda thin, but the leaves were green and there were no bugs bitting me. the people i saw were more than happy to see me. i wanted to stay, but i also wanted to go back, just because i knew i had stuff i still wanted to do.
QueryAnalyzer
QUOTE(ZeroShadow @ Jan 14 2006, 06:22 AM) [snapback]1020900[/snapback]

I don't think that explains seeing himself laying there and then the doctor validating this.


The only scientific explanation I've read of seeing yourself laying on the bed, is that when you are deprived of your sight, then other senses could construct an image of what actually is happening on your surroudings. I don't know how proven this theory is, but NDEs are really an intriguing event that can't be just dismissed.
Watzel
SoLLiz, I know that you said that things you saw or experienced were too personal to relate to us. However, can you tell us if you were told or warned that you were doing wrong here on earth or perhaps made to feel that you needed to come back to correct your life?


Also, sorry if I missed this, were you very religious before the NDE and has that changed since?

Thanks so much and I appreciate it greatly that you are telling us what you can.


SoLLiZ
i didn't really get any warnings or anything. i just felt like coming back because of stuff that i wanted to do.

i was not religious at the time, and i'm still not. i am more spiritual though.
Watzel
SoLLiz thanks for your reply. But I get the impression you are making this up. You don't seem to be too amazed at what you went through during your NDE. My experience with people that have had one is that they can hardly express the incredibly profound reality of the event. It is just as clear to them as the day it happened and they never go a day without thinking of it.

ALso, not one of them expressed wanting to come back to this life. They only did when they felt it was their mission to finish this life; and they did so very reluctantly.



Sorry but you are not convincing me that you had one. Too passive about it in your explanation guess.

L&L wink2.gif
SoLLiZ
well, if you don't believe me, oh well. it's been around 7 years since it happened, so don't expect me to still get excited answering questions about it.
ShaunZero
QUOTE(SoLLiZ @ Jan 18 2006, 06:58 AM) [snapback]1026747[/snapback]

well, if you don't believe me, oh well. it's been around 7 years since it happened, so don't expect me to still get excited answering questions about it.



That makes perfect sense. yes.gif


I'm sure you had to answer alot of questions given it's been that long since it happend.
SoLLiZ
sorry if i seemed a bit harsh in my last post. i usually work 12- 13 hours a day, then come home and play with my son for a few hours, then make dinner and get him off to bed. i can get kind of crabby when i get tired. so if i seemed like an a-hole to watzel, then i apologize.
ShaunZero
There was nothing wrong in the way you posted at all in my opinion. Don't sweat it.
HannibalLecter
i had a near death experience, i was driving home on a rainy night and this large deer thing possibly a caraboo considering where i live. but i hit the thing going about fifty and the f***ing thing dented my roof in i felt it when the roof touched my head. it managed to break my back window before hitting the ground. i stopped and got out to check to see what it was and it was gone.

Ta Ta,
H
SecondHeartbeat
when i was small i had a dream,well it wasn't really a dream,all i could see was just darkenss,and i could like,hear screaming,and it was really low,and then all of a sudden it got really really really loud,i know it wasn't my family because everyone in my house was sleeping
scoobysnack
Wow, so far this is the best thread I have read on UM. The simple truths in life. thumbup.gif

QUOTE(Internature @ Oct 5 2005, 02:53 PM) [snapback]875481[/snapback]

I had an ode a couple of years ago and i found that my experiences were different to how it has been explained by others.
i fell unconscious about 15 minutes after my accident. after that i had a weird but good feeling in myself. i was standing in a street and there was a big crowd of people. i didnt see what they were looking at. things looked brighter than they do usually but not blinding. i felt weightless. when the crowd moved a bit i could see myself on the floor. i had an oxygen mask on and someone was giving me cpri was scared tho. during this time i felt butterflies in my stomach. i dont know how else to explain it. then i saw a paramedic shocking my heart. things went a bit blurry then i saw them doing CPR again then i remember waking up in the hospital with a lot of pain. i remembered everything i saw but i didnt know if it was real or not. the doctor confirmed it all. he told me that my heart stopped and they had to give me CPR and shock my heart twice. i was brought back but arrested again in the ambulance. they had to continue CPR and shock my heart once more.
a thing im confused about is that i didnt see the light in the tunnel. has anyone else ever had an nde before? if so what did you see? Ive thought about this a lot since it happened and am really lost.
some input would be good here.

Internature


Thank you for sharing your experience and the starting this discussion. Your NDE was perfect, and normal. Your soul (you) stayed in the earthbound realm and did not travel further into the spiritual realms. You were not ready to die, and had no reason to go further. This is how it works. Think of distance measured in light. Like this:

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After you leave the earthbound realm with the rest of us, you have to go through the darkness before you can get to the light. It's true for all of us. At some point in the spectrum is the point of no return, meaning you remain dead (in the spiritual world), and can't return to your physical body.

QUOTE(justejust @ Oct 6 2005, 07:13 AM) [snapback]876339[/snapback]

that was the first stage, if you haven't been saved you would see the tunnel. dying people often have those two experiences - out of body and then tunnel.


Exactly. Some people don't need to spend time in the darkness for reflection and introspection, so they fly through the darkness towards the light at a high speed resulting in the tunnel.

QUOTE(Soliz @ Oct 6 2005, 07:57 PM) [snapback]877495[/snapback]

i was dead for roughly 14 minutes, and came back with only mild brain damage (although my wife would argue that one, lol) i saw a bright light, but never a tunnel of light like you always here about. i went from being in the hospital room to standing in a forest. it was peaceful, and there were no bugs trying to eat me original.gif

some of the stuff that i saw i don't like to talk about. it wasn't bad, it was just personal. I'll just say i saw some dead friends and relatives, and one very cool thing happened. i found out that i had a brother who passed away before i was born. my parents never told me about him, but i asked my mom and she freaked out.


Thanks for sharing. thumbsup.gif Like you said, you could see the light as a reminder, as you were traveling away from the earthbound realm into the darkness but eventually towards the light. You saw your dead relatives and even a brother you didn't even know about and later had that verified by your mom. This is proof that this is a real experience, and that we do have a soul that resides in our body, and separates upon death, but death is simply a new beginning into a new reality/consciousness/world. Everyone on earth will have a similar experience when they die.

I met someone who had a similar experience to you. He was a drug dealer, who got jumped, and beat in the head with a crowbar. He said at first it hurt as they were hitting but then the pain stopped and found himself outside his body, watching them beat, and kick his now dead body. He then started traveling through a foggy Forrest. He could hear voices luring him further away from his body. He eventually met his dead grandfather who led told him it was not his time, and that he would have to go back to his body. Lucky, because he is now alive to tell me, to tell you.

To make a long story short, a few years ago, I had planned a date to kill myself, and was going through with the preparations. I was searching the internet about suicide, when I came across near death experiences from people whose life ended by decision. Of course they weren't entirely successful as they are alive today to tell there story. So I started reading about what would happen after I killed myself. The vast majority sounded sort of cool, in that I would be free of my body, and possibly fly. But as I read more I noticed a major difference in the experiences, and that there common elements but also a spectrum of extremes. Some of the experiences were more hellish, and scary while others peaceful and happy. I then started reading other near death experiences involving out of body experiences and found even more extremes. Some people who died (had a NDE because) of accidents, sometimes saw other souls, suicides for example, who were stuck on the earthbound realm, apologizing to the people they hurt as a result of their suicide. Seeking forgiveness before they could travel on towards the light. I found out that comitting suicide would be the biggest mistake I could ever make, and have long term consequences that I had never anticipated before. I stayed up all night studying as much as I could about what happens after people die.

I found a common factor that affected the personal experience of each person. That was spiritual ignorance or lack of. Meaning the more you know about your true existence your being, and also how much you unconditionally love all others. If you know your life's purpose, you would know why it's so important to love unconditionally. Those who don't love, or are more spiritually ignorant don't travel as far through the darkness towards the light as those who were more loving, and in tune with their relationship with God.

It was at that point after reading over dozens of personal near death experiences for hours I realized I wanted to have one of the good happy near death experience when I really die. Another common theme I found was Jesus, and God, so I turned my life over to those guy(s). Jesus is the fastest way to get through the darkness towards the light, and denying him is denying ourself the happiness in the light.

I felt at that point that I pretty much had had my own inspirational NDE from all that reading, even though I never left my body. It was like sudden enlightenment! I prayed for Jesus/God to come into my heart and change my life for the better, and guide me towards keeping on the path towards the light. Ever since then I have never felt depressed, even after living my whole(remembered) life wanting to die. It was a major transformation, and I honestly immediatly felt like a different person. I was actually happy for once. I know knew that God/Jesus had forgiven me, and that I had something great to look forward to.

If you don't believe anything I say, please just believe this one thing I say. When you die, and you are lost, in the darkness, call out to Jesus to save you, and it will be done.

Hopefully you find that out before that time comes, but you can thank me later if it comes to that.

In the end proof of survival after physical death is around if you look for it. This also proves that we are a soul using a physical body (shell), and when death comes, we shed the body and continue on into a new reality. This also proves to me the existence of God, Jesus, and the idea of heaven and hell. I've devoted part of life to spreading this good news to everyone I can.

QUOTE(ComplicatedParadise @ Oct 6 2005, 10:08 PM) [snapback]877617[/snapback]

Wow thats interesting. I have never had this experience. But I did have a friend(well sort of friend because she lost my trust after doing drugs etc.) once have this sort of thing happen to her. She was sitting in her hospital bed once when she was real sick and she said she felt like she was going to sleep, but all the sudden her heart monitor went flat. The doctors came running in, trying to pump her heart, and she said she felt herself lift free from her body, she felt light, and she said all the sudden things went very dark. She some form of heat like fire shooting out from the darkness, it was very hot and she felt herself began to scream, but nothing came out of her mouth. As she starred into the dark she heard a voice calling her name, and heard people screaming at the top of their lungs in pain. After the voice stopped she felt herself slam into her body. She woke up and the doctors were around her, and she saw her parents there too. They were crying, but she said all she could do was lie in shock. To this day it has been 4 months since that experience and she says now she attends church and prays, before she had a rough time, she never went to church and was into drugs, sex etc....but I was really scared for her after she told me this, she has even encouraged me to be more in tune with my religion.


Your friend got a taste of the void/hell (void of light/love). It sounds like it scared her straight. I'm glad you know this about her, and hopefully have decided to be more in tune with your religion. Religion is a step stool, and has what you need.

PS, Damn, you're a hottie wub.gif

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But, you might be under age, so I'll leave it at that. Don't want to mess around with sexual harassment panda. grin2.gif

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For all you people who still don't believe, you owe it to yourself to read this very detailed near death experience of a man who died as an atheist and had his life transformed after his NDE that he is now a full believer in God. This was the final NDE I read before I decided against killing myself. I met him in person, and he told his story to me among others. He (a grown man) even started crying as he described his experiences and torture in hell. It was awkward, but added to the validity, in my mind. I hope it changes your life like it changed mine!

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Saved From Hell
Rev. Howard Storm's near-death experience

Before his near-death experience, Rev. Howard Storm, a Professor of Art at Northern Kentucky University, was not a very pleasant man. He was an avowed atheist and was hostile to every form of religion and those who practiced it. He often would use rage to control everyone around him and he didn’t find joy in anything. Anything that wasn’t seen, touched, or felt, he had no faith in. He knew with certainty that the material world was the full extent of everything that was. He considered all belief systems associated with religion to be fantasies for people to deceive themselves with. Beyond what science said, there was nothing else.

On June 1, 1985, at the age of 38, Howard Storm had a near-death experience due to a perforation of the stomach and his life was forever changed. His near-death experience is one of the most profound, if not the most profound, afterlife experience I have ever documented. His life was so immensely changed after his near-death experience that he resigned as a professor and devoted his time to attending the United Theological Seminary to become a United Church of Christ minister. The following is the account of Pastor Howard Storm's near-death experience, which is an excerpt from his book, My Descent Into Death, reprinted by permission.

http://www.near-death.com/storm.html

Rev. Howard Storm Index

Part 1 - An Invitation to Hell From Strange Beings
http://www.near-death.com/experiences/storm01.html

Part 2- A Rescue From Hell by Jesus Christ
http://www.near-death.com/experiences/storm02.html

Part 3 - The Therapy of Love and Enlightenment
http://www.near-death.com/experiences/storm03.html

Part 4 - Learning What Happens After Death
http://www.near-death.com/experiences/storm04.html
InMyNature
QUOTE(QueryAnalyzer @ Jan 13 2006, 06:01 PM) [snapback]1019605[/snapback]

I hope InMyNature is still around, cause his post is kind of old. Could the blurry thing be a sign that your brain was starting to die at that time?


QUOTE(Cinders @ Jan 13 2006, 06:20 PM) [snapback]1019636[/snapback]

Wow.. you are right.. his/her post was from Oct 2005.

Oh, I just checked on his profile, and it shows he was last active on 11th January 2006 - 07:48 AM


QUOTE(Bebi @ Jan 13 2006, 09:08 PM) [snapback]1019755[/snapback]

Breathes sigh of relief whistling2.gif I was getting worried then


hi. thanks for your concern guys. things have been wierd since i posted on this thread last........i didnt even no that this thread was still active.
i saw my doc after this thing had happened for a few nights in a row. at first he concidered sleep apnea but also said that it could be some form of anxiety cuz of the accident so he put me on beta blockers for a while to see if it would help with the palpitations during waking time.....they didnt help in any way at all. i didnt mention the obes to him cuz it sounds a bit loopy but i dont no if i should have as it plays a big part in my sleeping patterns.

there was one night back in december when i was having an obe (id been taking the pills at this time).......i was floating over my bed looking down on myself and i remember looking peacful in my sleep. the thing that turned wierd is when i heard a huge bang cooming from downstairs and it sounded like someone had broken in and was throwing stuff about. i felt this panick come over me and floated to the hall but then i had this feeling like i was being sucked back into the bedrrom......i no this sounds crazy but i dont no how else to say it. i started to wake up but it was like my eyelids were taped over and i had real trouble opening them. i rememebr this weight on my stomache and chest and it was hard to take in a breath and i couldnt move or say anything. i tried to call out but i couldnt get enough air inside me and it was so painful.......it seemed to last for ages but i couldnt say how long really. whiole my eyes were closed i could still hear these banging noises and i was petrified........my whole body was cold but i could still feel the heat in the room. after a while i managed to open my eyes but i couldnt see anything..........then i heard this yell and it didnt stop and it terrified me cuz it was so close to where i was...........next i heard my dads voice next to me but i couldnt see him or anything else around me. everything went quiet and all i could hear was my dads voice saying to me to breathe but i couldnt........his voice dissappeard for a while and he came back saying the same thing over and over to a point where he was shouting at me..........i still had this weight on my stomche and chest and it was so hard to take anything in then i remember feeling my dad putting his hand on my chest hard and shaking me.........i guess i blanked out cuz all i no from then on is waking up on a stretcher and being carried out my frpont door with some guy pumping the bag on the mask that was over my face and it felt like i was letting the bag do all the work cuz my chest was so relaxed that it didnt feel like i had this need to breath on my own.....its wierd. i spent 2 days in hospital having tests. they monitored my heart cuz they said that it slowed down to a dangerous point and skipped a few but my blood pressure was through the roof. my dad told them about the obes id had since my accident and they did a scan of my brain but it didnt show anything........my dad told me how scared i looked when he came in my bedroom that night and how he had to try and stimulate my lungs to make me breath by but it wasnt helping. thats why he shook me. he said my pulse was slow and weak and he had to drag me onto the floor in case he needed to start pumping my heart cuz it was so slow and felt like it was going to stop.........he was that worried. he also said that there was no banging noises in the house that night........that confuses me cuz i always hear real noises during my obes and not imaginery ones. then he said that the yelling i heard was actually me but i dont recall ever doing it but dad said he saw it and then i stopped breathing.




after the tests showed mothing and the docs had no answer as to why ive been having these attacks they told my mum and dad to arrange some form of therapy. im not on the pills anymore but i have to have my heart monitored regularly just to make sure things are ok........my mum dad and sister even did a first aid course in case anything ever happened.........dad said it was suggested to them.




i havent had an attack like that since but my therapist told me to keep a diary of these wired accuranced including the obes and i can read them back at every session. so far there is no reason to think that i am somehow traumatised by the accident so i have no idea what is happeneing to me or why. the last obe was i guess a month or so ago but this was just an intense but normal one.........i was sick at the time and it tends to be more defined when i feel gross in any way..........my parents keep watch on me tho and it drives me nuts.

QUOTE(Bebi @ Jan 13 2006, 05:02 PM) [snapback]1019535[/snapback]

Do you think the OBE's could be triggered via stress? Maybe you've been affected more by the accident than you realise; post traumatic stress can have many forms. I'd suggest a quick chat with your GP about it to be on the safe side just to get the physical side of it checked out, you don't need to mention the OBE side of it if you don't want to, I'm just concerned about the palpitation descriptions and lack of breath...

i dont feel stressed in any way about the accident. the doc said the same thing but its not like its on my mind a lot........when i do think about it it doesnt worry me.

QUOTE(ZeroShadow @ Jan 14 2006, 10:22 AM) [snapback]1020900[/snapback]

I don't think that explains seeing himself laying there and then the doctor validating this.



QUOTE(Bebi @ Jan 14 2006, 06:59 PM) [snapback]1021321[/snapback]

I meant the ones that were happening when he wrote the last thread, not the original at the accident. I was wondering if the original OBE somehow made it easier for him to OBE again and stress is a trigger?

i never had obes before i had the accident. i guess the accident triggered it off and i dont will them to happen at all.....they just do. but no i dont feel streesed before i have them. until last year my obes were cool until this wierd thing happened to me in my sleep.


InMyNature
Bebi
Glad to hear you're ok thumbsup.gif

I'd suggest telling your therapist everything about the OBE's, including any theories you have (if you think a theory is a bit silly then say "this may sound silly but it's a theory someone told me..."). If anyone can get to the bottom of it I'm sure they can, but remember therapists are still only human; they need all the information to base decisions on.
InMyNature
QUOTE(Bebi @ Jan 24 2006, 07:25 PM) [snapback]1034338[/snapback]

Glad to hear you're ok thumbsup.gif

I'd suggest telling your therapist everything about the OBE's, including any theories you have (if you think a theory is a bit silly then say "this may sound silly but it's a theory someone told me..."). If anyone can get to the bottom of it I'm sure they can, but remember therapists are still only human; they need all the information to base decisions on.

yea i tell everything to my therapist. i have to keep a diary to remember everything that happened and i relay it back to my therapist every session. she doesnt see anything mad about me and im yet to find out why this thing has happened to me........especially that night in december. i still have some prblems with waking up and sometimes find it hard to breath at first but its nothing like that night.........that was scary to say the least. i dont no if my therapist believes me about the obes but i dont care..........i no my family do and my sister really takes the piss oput of me lol. i worry about that thing happening again and i no my family do to.........my sister said its would be gross to have to give me mouth to mouth........i agree. worse things worry me tho. i really wanna find out what is happening to me and if it has something to do with the accident or the nde.
Turtle
Solitz
That was a great experience.
May I suggest you share it
www.nderf.org
They have an extensive collection of NDE's and I am sure they would love your contribution.

Blessings
Rossdundee
Whilst I do believe to a certain extent, I can't help but wonder:

In these NDE's why do we view people in meadows? Fields?
If we die, why does the physical plain still appear to be what is seen?

People with NDE's, please consider this:

We all dream. Dreaming is caused when our brain works without our control. How about, when we nearly die and need CPR, our brain carries on carrying the electrical impulses, creating "dreams" as we do in our sleep. On resusitation, we are left with these memories of the dreams.

I am not a skeptic, I do believe in many parts of the after life. But certain questions bother me. I am scared of death.
Bebi
How do we know the afterlife isn't a "dream" we have; as technically we will be mind without the control of our body as in a dreaming state.
Watzel
One reason a NDE can't be a dream is because of a few cases where the individual was shown to have zero brain activity and still remember seeing things that happened in the physical world that indicated they were outside of their body as they had felt they were.

Example: Pamela Reynolds(do a search for her like: Pam Reynolds NDE and you should get a site that has her story) had an NDE during a surgery to repair a brain aneurism. The procedure involved lowering her body temp. and then stopping her heart before enterring her brain for the procedure. She saw the doctor and others operating on her and even described the type of instruments they used. She heard what they said, what they did all during the time her brain was completely shut down. No brain activity as you would have if dreaming.

I'm sure more proof will come about in the future so for now we just need to understand that it is a very real event. Many of the people that have NDE's report that the sense of reality they have in the afterlife is much clearer than this reality in our earthly world. That is an interesting concept in my opinion.
Bebi
Thank you for clarifying that thumbsup.gif It was just a theory I came up with on the spot, I now know to go no further with it hehehe
InMyNature
i read about pam renolds.......she saw everything and heard everything that ther sergions were saying while she was yechnically dead. they stopped her heart and brain while they worked on her.......i think this gives us hope for after we die.......i didnt see anything when my heart had stopped and i supose my brain wis still active so i always thought od this as wierd.
i would have iked to have seen something......im scared of death.

InMyNature
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