I was watching the Discovery Channel last night and it was a documentary on the Sphinx about this Egyptologist who had spent 20 years trying to figure out who built the Sphinx and why. He didn't agree with some claims that it was 70,000 years old and thought those kinds of theories were ridiculous. So he researched and came to the conclusion that the Sphinx was built by the Pharaoh Jediphrah (Who had been written out of history books/discredited by this false claim by an American historian) who made the Sphinx in the image of the Pharaoh Khufu. Has anyone heard of this before? In the end of the documentary, it was agreed on that this theory was correct.

Does anyone know about this and/or agrees with it?

Yes it is a very old theory and one Dr Hawass support's .. Now if it's true well thats open for debate... I seen the show you speak of.. It's a old one they have had on alot over the past few years.. This is not new.. Dr Robert Schoch..and a few other's like Colin Reader and David Coxill have done alot of work trying to prove the real age of the Sphinx.. I would have to say.. What you believe as far as who built it.. would have to go hand in hand with who you think is correct about the true age.. And right now thats a very open subject in Egypt..

all that I know abtou the sphinx is that Napoleons troops shot its nose off

I'm more into the Sphinx being build over 30.000 /40.000 years ago theory.
This theory says that the sphinx head used to be a lions head wich was changed to some pharao's head.

Saw this on National Geo or the Discovery, don't remember.

I believe it's obvious from researching religious history
that the original sphinx's head was that of a human female.

(A hard pill to swallow in the male dominated 'faith industry'?)


Ask yourself......Why was the head destroyed? Who destroyed it?
How many times was it rebuilt?

What gender is the symbolism of a lion or cat?

Are you talking about the 10,000-10,500 years ago theory? 40, 000 years is steep and the erosion would have been awful considering how much it rained in Egypt.

Not necessarily, ela. In fact, quite a few African cultures had matriarchal societies as opposed to patriarchal. If the Sphinx is super old as they say, it could have been at a time where women were held with the highest regards.

All I know it was between 25.000 years and 40.000 years.
It was there when that part of the world was an oasis. (according to those scientists)
Had to doe with the erosion, it was as if the erosion was mostly due to water instead of sand.(to be precise rain water)

I'll try to find some info about this theory.

EDIT:

This site talks about it a bit, The book that is mentioned was also mentioned in the program I saw.

Sphinx

BTW The front and sides of the sphinx are indeed estimated to be from somewhere between 5000 and 7000 BC, but some believe the rest is much older.

40, 000 sounds way too long ago.
I might be wrong, but 10, 000 sounds more appropriate.
I'm willing to learn though. If it's that old it would be fascinating.

Yeh I know I'm still not totally onboard with that theory, but it does make you think.

something just occured to me

is it possible that some of these objects like the Sphinx cover something else entirely ?

i mean say something was built where the Sphinx is 25,000 yrs ago

then when the Egyptians came along the used what was there as the base of the Sphinx


just a thought

No, the Sphinx was carved from a rock that was already there. I don't think it covers anything.

Pissst.... Just so you know.. That is not even close to what happen to the nose... That was a rumor.. That was debunked a VERY long time ago dear.....

that was a solid piece of rock ? doesnt look like it but i suppose it could be

May not look like it, but it is. In modern times it was altered since it was badly eroded.

The 'layering' in the body is simply down to the rock strata. Orignally the Sphinx was a single outcrop of rock, around which further excavatoin was carried out to reveal the lower part of the body (hence the 'sphinx enclosure'). Erosion suggests it may be older than conventionally ascribed, but not much older.

One thing is for sure - it's not 70,000 years old

and we know it was originally one piece of rock because ?

It was carved out of one lump of rock in the shape of a lion an estimated 10 to 15,000 years ago.

If the body is left alone, it becomes buried in sand in a few short years and has been completely buried and excavated a number of times through history.

Anyway, speculation is that the body was buried for a long period while the head was open to the elements and became so eroded that it is now too small for the body in proportional terms.

The Egyptian theory is that Chephren had it carved in his own image around 4,500 years ago, but a New York criminal artist mapped the facial features using methods similar to those employed in police work and compared with a known statue of Chephren.

Anyway he came to the conclusion that not only was the face not Chephren's but it wasn't even Egyptian.

The key to the age of the monument is in the rosion to the body which runs vertically downwards from the top of the back to the floor, suggesting that the body was open to the elements for a long period of time during torrential downpours.

The last time this was supposedly possible was at the end of the last ice age which tends to blow the 4,500 year old theory out of the water so to speak.

The problem with the theory that the Sphinx is ancient because of shown water erosion is the fact that the Sphinx is actually composed of limestone from three different strata: Members I, II, and III. Members I and III composing the lower part of the Sphinx and the head, are very hard. However, Member II is poorly consolidated limestone, and very easily erodable. It continues to erode even today, and was already heavily eroded by the time of the New Kingdom. Here's the site.

What really happened to the nose? I was still under the impression that it was shot off.

et's daddy; we know it is carved out of one piece of rock because it is bedrock. Therefore it is the same rock as the rest of the plateau.

it's made out of the same rock ?

my house is made out of wood doesnt mean i built it from trees in the backyard

If the wood in your house was still rooted, then ya, it would. Let me clear it up, it is carved out of bedrock

I had never heard that it was made out of one piece of rock either, could someone please source that information for me/us.
But just so ya know et's daddy, it could be relatively easy to assess that information, if it is one piece of rock that has been stratified, there will be no bonding material in-between.

please, heard that baloney, got the tshirt

I think it was a she. As silly as this sounds, it just makes sense that a feline in the area of egypt would be female.

It's just a theory, I never said it was gospel, and your opinion is more valid how?

You guys need to learn to do your own research from reputable sources and stop asking others to do it for you. Thats just lazy.

Good point....



because first the thoery isnt your own but been around for a while (Graham Hancock)

and second the guy in question is not reputable at all, so dont bother believing his tripe

Actually the thoery [sic] was started by John West and taken up by Graham Hancock for his book. Not that that makes it any more valid, and nor did I claim it to be my own. You can't form an opinion without looking at all sides though.

I've not actually made my mind up yet on how old I think it is. Still looking at the possibilities at the moment. Find Hancock's celestial alignment with the pyramids, the stars and the Spinx's gaze interesting reading though.

Really should visit the site myself.

actually I happen to be far from lazy, when you (or someone like you) makes a claim such as experts saying the sphinx is made from one solid piece of rock, you should site that source for other people, be it a website, book, tv show, radio program, name of a scientist, proffessor mom or dad, sister, brother (that one is my other brother), tour guide, that is common courtesy. nice attitude though, hope it came free with a purchase of $20 or more at Younkers.

Ah no, it is common knowledge. It isn't a theory, it is a fact.

common knowledge would suppose that the knowledge was common. and yet in this very discussion you have two people who had never heard that before. now when i googled it, i found a plethera of information about how it is carved out of one outcropping of bedrock, on sites such as Nova, which i would consider to be a reputable source. Now in all the shows and discussions I have heard and seen and read, this is the first time that anyone has ever mentioned this little piece of information. Now that I have heard, and found information which I could consider to be reliable, why dont we just move on with the discussion. cuz this is getting boring.

No, they did not.

Napoleon had a deep and genuine appreciation for history and would not have permitted such vandalism. Modern Egyptology dates from the French scholars Napoleon took along with him to Egypt to study and measure the ancient treasures, very much including the Sphinx.

Besides, by Napoleon's day the Sphinx's nose had already been missing for more than two centuries.

Enlighten me. what was the cause.

In my art history studies, it states that there is a processional road leading to the valley temple of khafre which is guarded by the sphinx, suggesting that it's actually a composite animal (Khafre's head on a lion's body). Lions typically guard entrances, especially temples and palaces in ancient egypt and in the ancient near east. The sphinx dates from 2520-2494 B.C.

The KIng of the Atlanteans, Thoth, built the Sphinx and the Great Pyramid. What do you think you would look like if there was no pollution, no additives and preservatives to our food, no pharmaceutical drugs to dumb us down? What would your mind be like? You know, in South American countries and islands around there, they have found remains of men 10 to 12 feet tall and they say that there were some taller.
There is a story about the Pharaohs that'll just blow your mind and it answers the question of why everybody worshipped the Pharaohs. If you think about it, from the ruins of most of the Sumerian cities, there were tales of taxation, and standards of living, and really the same living conditions that we have now, and on and on. But why did they have the same things in their lives that we do now. Really, they were so much better off because they had no shortage of anything. Now, everything is in short supply. The trees don't produce the fruits and healing herbs that they used to and the sickness has gotten worse and man has had to invent and supplement with other ways to heal.

It is not that there is any devils or demons gobbling everything up and laughing at our predicament, everything is follwing a natural course of life and death and things are getting so scarce and the population has stayed relatively the same as far as birth and death rates; there's fewer things to go around. Man will keep going if he has to put a semblance of his being onto a microchip and put it in a robot.

Sometime far in the future, your child will be playing in the dirt in the back yard somewhere and suddenly, 'Daddy, Mommy, look what I found!' and the wonder of mankind will start afresh.

Ask yourself why is there only 1 Sphinx? How many Pyramids are there? How many Pharaohs were there? What, did they just make little ones for the rest of the Pharaohs? There is a purpose fir the Sphinx. What is underneath it?

This was necroposted by someone, this thread started in 2005. We've been talking about this already in a different thread. I cant remember which thread it was but we were talking abbout how it doesnt make sense that the Egyptians suddenly were able to create the Great pyramid, and all kinds of stuff.