I bet this question has been asked many many times in this forum, but I would like a clean slate, and a fresh start on this debate.

What do you people believe created everything in the universe. ? Life and science states a very simple rule, everything evolves or is produced from something else. How is it possible that the world was created from nothing ?. Something had to start a chain reaction through scientific evolution, or a high entity such as God was just forever in place.

What are peoples ideas / theories on how the universe and galaxies came to be.

Where does matter go when antimatter and matter of equal mass come together???
It doesn't just disappear. Because if that were true, then that means that energy can "appear"
But then that would violate energy never being created or destroyed...
So where does the matter go?
And where does all the energy from quasars come from?!
They just can't appear.

Where did god come from, who created him?

Well at one point, something DID just appear lol, thats what is hard to comphrehend.

If that's true that energy "appears"...that violates a Law of Thermodynamics. It doesn't make sense either way.

That would be a seperate debate Kit. If you have a theory on the creation of the universe, please post it.

I know Yelekiah lol, Im looking for theories on the creation of everything, not more questions.

Actually, I thought that could be related... In a lot of ways, I felt that God would have "evolved", the same way that the Universe is rapidly expanding. God would have to have "recreated" Himself.

Well if someone answers that, then I can tell you how the Universe was created, Azalin. It's related. The Universe consists of energy that moves in spirals. It's all connected.

You are wanting to postulate that God created the universe, that seems to be your theory, so I am asking where God came from, who created him....you seem to think that something can't come from nothing. How do you know that the universe hasn't existed for ever and we are only seeing a small part of it because of limited perception.

Based on our third dimensional linear conceptual mind maybee.
All action comes first from thought.
IMHO anyway

If all action comes from thought as you say. Then thought has power. Do you think that the Universe could have been created by a single thought or realization, rather, if you put God into the question?

Firstly What is God? If God is energy, then energy can transform into matter and vise versa. Energy also contains information (light, sound, thought, etc) So if you say that energy is Intelligent it would make perfect sense that both arguments are correct.

All right, Azalin, not sure of your aim, but if you want to get scientific with the origins, as opposed to spiritual, two dimensions, one which was hidden, collided into each other. That could have possibly created the Universe according to some physicists. But personally, I don't agree with that. It's like, if that is so, where does the energy come from if it cannot be created?

Yes, our thoughts create this reality.
Our reality has the ability to create based on thought.
Our thoughts of who we want to be, create a job.
There is much suffering because we allow other people to form our thoughts, and therefore our actions.
Thought comes from within your own mind.

Q-Why the need to know what "is" God?

Correct, Turtle. So if we put God into this discussion, that means he had to start of with small thoughts, and his thoughts became larger, like the creation of quasars for example. "Let there be light" in a way is a thought. Words as well, and words are also powerful.

The question was revolving between scientific explanations, and religious. I can see a link between the two that is all.

To define if it is an energy or not.

Correct Yelekiah.
To me God is the "energy" that creates thought, and that energy is created in each moment.
I agree words are very powerful as well as music, pictures as well.
all of which first have to be made into something from thought.

Do you think something can come out of nothing, Turtle?

Interesting question.
Everything has it's start somewhere, and so too does thought.
Perhaps the first thought came from something else?
Do you have an answer to this?

But what is 'nothing'? If energy never ends, just changes form, is there ever 'nothing'?

Right. But what if "Nothing" could exist. That means that that nothing had to have a thought in order for us to be here. That nothing would have to realize it was nothing, and turn into a consciousness. Because then a consciousness can create something. Consciousness forms thoughts.

Action comes from thought---
thought comes from consciousness---
consciousness comes from energy----
energy comes from-----?

We can know, and many do, by revelation, that God truly exists and that he is loving. I think that is all that is essential for us to know. Anything more will probably be pure speculation on our part and our concepts utterly infantile compared to the TRUTH which we cannot at this stage of our development begin to comprehend.

I think we will know when we need to.

Well, I don't think energy was always here. If it was, then that means that the same amount of energy we have today was the same when the Universe "started"
But how do you get quasars then? Where is all that energy coming from? Something to me seems wrong with that energy cannot be created or destroyed. Because matter has been known to "disappear" when combining matter and antimatter of equal mass. Unless...it just goes to another location in the Universe.

Well put Turtle. Reasoning like this is why I continue to follow my path in the persuit and belief in God.

I think some of us know now.

Please share

Agreed yelekiah, it's a strange concept. Much like how a black hole can consume light, where does that light go ?, is it recycled as enegy for the universe ?, or where does even a black hole lead.

The light in a black hole can go into two places, depending on the rotation of the singularity. It can either go into another universe, or into our Universe in another time and place.
But it still doesn't explain quasars. Where does that energy come from?

Great
This is what I love to see.
Me too!

This is best answered with history. When radio telescopes were first turned on the heavens, point sources of radio waves were discovered (along with spread-out regions of emission along our Milky Way). Astronomers using ordinary visible-light telescopes turned toward these radio points and looked to see what was there. In some cases a supernova remnant was found, in others, a large star-birth region, in others a distant galaxy. But in some places where point sources of radio waves were found, no visible source other than a stellar-looking object was found (it looked like a point of like --- like a star does). These objects were called the "qausi-stellar radio sources", or "quasars" for short. Later, it was found these sources could not be stars in our galaxy, but must be very far away --- as far as any of the distant galaxies seen. We now think these objects are the very bright centers of some distant galaxies, where some sort of energetic action is occurring, most probably due to the presence of a supermassive black hole at the center of that galaxy (supermassive = made up from a mass of about a billion solar masses).

Azalin because even nothing is something, the universe can't dismember itself, I beelive there to a be an inherent unity permeating the entire universe, When we see things in our world or look deeply into nature if you do it long enough you'll capture that essence, I think What created the universe couldn't be put into words and the closest its come is the big bang theory IMO.The unified field of everything. Namaste Sheri

I know all that. But it still doesn't explain where the energy comes from. Quasars can have more energy than an entire galaxy.

But does it have as much power as a human mind?

It might be said god is first thought or original thought, I agree with you yele and the word was made flesh, I think thoughts are energy and do create our realitys.Namaste Sheri

Good question. I think albeit words and thoughts are powerful, no.
Words can undo creations. But humans have really become so "weakminded"
that a quasar can outdo it so to speak.

What about if your thoughts about god create your experience of god???God shows up to you in the way you think god will??? Namaste sheri

Right. Abracadara is Hebrew(?) meaning, "I create as I speak"
Words are powerful, and if God was the word, it reminds me of "Let there be light"
But language now is weak. It's not the same as it was when it began.

Yele I gotta agree with you on this people have almost lost the ability to think for themselves, so many ideas are passed down knowledge what is a Quasar I'm sorry I didn't read every post namaste Sheri

That's interesting. We create our own worlds and everyone has their own definition of God. If this is true, everyone's perception of God is different. Who the is the real God? Wouldn't it be us if we "created" God since it is stemming from our thoughts and perceptions??


edit:post 33 gives a little background.

But I still can't see any explanation to the creation of the universe.

Start again: Ok, there was nothing, and supposedly God was there with his thoughts. Matter was created from energy, energy stemmed from Gods thoughts.

WTF IS GOD, and if nothing was there in the first place, would the tiniest of tiniest of pinpricks of matter have to have been there in the first place to start this chain reaction? And if God was around before matter and energy, it still doesn't describe what God is!

Really that is very interesting i didn't know that ! namaste sheri

Well, let's say God is energy. Matter is energy, and vice versa. Then we can say that energy creates matter.

But isn't 'word' a form of energy?

Supposedly there was NO energy to begin with, or there would be matter because the two go hand in hand.

How could matter/energy stem from NOTHING? Gods 'word' does nothing for me to explain it!

Rainbow good point, but isn't nothing still something???How can it be nothing without the something??I define god as energy that is all forms and infinite possibility, All that is What is your definition???

Yele exactly I'll go with that energy creates matter all matter Namaste Sheri

I just firmly believe we cannot grasp, or will ever be able to grasp the concept of the creation on the universe. A frog cannot grasp mathematics, thats a fact, then it would be possible to assume there are mathetic equations or formulas that we walk past daily that we will never see or understand.

As humans I agree that we believe we know the answer for everything, and everything can be problem solved. However it doesn't matter HOW HARD a frog stared at 5+5=10 it's never possibly going to know the answer.

Good question. Then it would have to be a "nothing" that infinitely moved. It would have to turn itself, switch dimensions. That turning wouldn't create energy necessarily,but if it continued turning itself in circles, it would create spirals. And since energy moves in spirals, perhaps that's what eventually created the spiral galaxies.