British government papers, just released by the National Archives, show that throughout the Seventies there was deep mistrust between the two superpowers over environmental warfare. The documents reveal that both the US, which led the field, and the Soviet Union had secret military programmes with the goal of controlling the world's climate. "By the year 2025 the United States will own the weather, " one scientist is said to have boasted.Since then, a United Nations treaty has been signed which bans environmental warfare, such as causing earthquakes, melting the polar ice caps and altering climate. But some experts believe that clandestine work to create the ultimate weapon of mass destruction continues.These claims are dismissed by sceptics as wild conspiracy theories and the stuff of James Bond movies but there is growing evidence that the boundaries between science fiction and fact are becoming increasingly blurred. The Americans now admit that they invested L12million over five years during the Vietnam war on "cloud seeding" - deliberately creating heavy rainfall to wash away enemy crops and destroy supply routes on the Ho Chi Minh trail, in an operation codenamed Project Popeye.It is claimed that rainfall was increased by a third in targeted areas, making the weather-manipulation weapon a success.

At the time, government officials said the region was prone to heavy rain.However this sort of rain-making experiment was nothing new. In Britain, it has been alleged that before the devastating Lynmouth floods in Devon in 1952, the RAF had been conducting secret rain-making tests. Aircraft showered clouds with silver iodide, on which water droplets formed, became heavy and eventually fell to the ground as rain. In the next 12 hours nine inches of rain fell - 250 times the normal amount for August - and 35 people were killed.

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Seems we are gambling with everything to kill each other. I mean... what the hell are we going to do once we completely screw over the earth to the point of no return... besides sit down, put your head between your legs and kiss your butt goodbye?

That's actually quite difficult

It is a shame there is a ban on weather altering technology.
As well as it being a weapon, it could also save millions of lives.

Save millions of lives? We don't need it. We've already altered with mother nature enough. If a terrorist got his hands into it, We'd be without water everywhere.

There is no way terroists would be able to get their hands on a newly developed, top secret. state of the art, piece of weather controlling technology.

They can't even get their hands on a fourty year old nuclear weapon.

I think it is well worth the risk, millions of men, women and children could be saved from the painful death caused by drought.

I worry about the butterfly effect. Unintended concequences. Also, wasting resources on something we'll never be able to affect.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...1100137_pf.html

World Helpless Against Assaults of Nature

By CALVIN WOODWARD
The Associated Press
Tuesday, October 11, 2005; 4:15 AM



WASHINGTON -- In a more hopeful time, buoyed by the promise of science, it was thought hurricanes could be tricked into dispersing, earthquakes could be disarmed by nuclear explosions and floodwaters held at bay by great mounds of dirt.

Such conceits are another victim of a year of destruction.

The planet's controlling forces romp over dreams like those. Usually the best that can be done is to see the danger coming long enough to run.

Rich and poor nations have taken the hit over a period so twisted in nature's assaults that one month, rich is helping poor and the next, poor is helping rich as best it can, and then the poor gets slammed once again.

The United States, giver of tsunami aid in December, accepted hurricane aid from some of those same countries in September. Now it is giving to South Asia a second time, in response to the weekend earthquakes. India is sending tents, food, blankets and medicine to its foe, Pakistan, geology briefly shoving aside geopolitics.

More than 176,000 people died in the earthquake and tsunami of December; an estimated 20,000 to 30,000 in the quake Saturday; perhaps 1,000 or more in Guatemalan landslides last week; more than 1,200 in Katrina. Asian beaches, mountainous Kashmir villages and American urban streets and casinos all were overwhelmed.

It wasn't supposed to be this way.

After World War II, nothing seemed too far-fetched for science, not once the atom was split and, again, not once men stepped on the moon.

In one of the most enduring efforts, still alive but hardly about to happen, man thought he could seed clouds, make it rain reliably and put a stop to devastating drought.

The effort continues, especially in China; there, rockets, anti-aircraft guns and aircraft regularly pelt the sky with chemicals. The results so far: China has lots of experience, but limited success, in making the rains come.

If humans are inexorably warming the globe, they've proved unable to fine-tune the megaforces to their benefit.

They can cause earthquakes, little ones, by injecting fluids into deep wells, filling huge reservoirs with water or setting off nuclear explosions, but they can't prevent any, says the U.S. Geological Survey. Any notion of "lubricating" tectonic plates to relieve destructive tension would only make things worse, if it made any difference.

Earthquakes can't be forecast, either. Danger zones and long-term probabilities can be surmised, but "there currently is no accepted method to accomplish the goal of predicting the time, place and magnitude of an impending quake," the survey says.

The idea of hauling icebergs to hurricane-prone waters to cool things off did not fly. Research continues on trying to fool hurricanes into thinking they're over land.

One trick being tested: coating the ocean with a thin, biodegradable, oily film to deny a hurricane the evaporation that feeds its fury, in essence mimicking conditions after landfall.

One of the responses to Hurricane Katrina was decidedly lower tech: Civil engineers proposed putting up old-fashioned air raid sirens so people would know to get away.

The belief persists that humans will someday be able to dial up a thunderstorm at will, tweak the jet stream to avoid floods and starve a tornado of its energy once it starts spinning.

Such faith is reflected in a decade-old report done for the U.S. Air Force, on the possibilities of modifying the weather for military advantage.

The study suggested extreme examples of made-to-order weather, such as steering severe storms to particular areas or achieving large-scale climate change, were beyond reach over the next 30 years. But kicking up fog, rain and clouds was considered doable in that time.

The Air Force said later it did not plan to meddle with Mother Nature. The study, subtitled "Owning the Weather in 2025," came to little.

A decade later, the weather still owns us.

I'm against controlling the weather... but I heard they are trying it... project H.A.R.P. or something.... and they are trying to dissolve some kind of magnetic substance into atmospheric moisture so they can controll the weather with magnetics...

I can't see how that would work since the atmospheric moisture is so dynamic. It would be just a matter of time before the "magnetic substance" would be washed out. Not to mention that I can see no way that a magnet could in any way effect wind, water or any other component of air. But I'll look it up.

Edit: Looked it up, project H.A.R.P. was a project in the 50's aimed at replacing rockets with cannons to launch satellites.

Edit 2: Oh, and weather maniupulation would be a great boon to humanity, but is many many years off, if not centuries. We don't yet have a handle on the dynamics of our atmosphere as it is now, it is extremely complex. But the lessons learned and information gained would be great years down the road if we ever want to attempt terraforming another planet.

It seems we will always be creating weapons to destroy ourselves with no matter what!

A few things to consider:


Introduced by Senator Kay Hutchison (R-TX), on March 3, 2005 --
Senate Bill 517 is formally termed:
"Weather Modification Research and Technology Transfer Authorization Act of 2005."

SEC. 2. PURPOSE.

It is the purpose of this Act to develop and implement a comprehensive and coordinated national weather modification policy and a national cooperative Federal and State program of weather modification research and development.

In 1997, former Secretary of Defense William Cohen stated that electromagnetic weapons were being used to manipulate the environment:

"Others are engaging even in an eco-type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves... So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations... It's real, and that's the reason why we have to intensify our efforts."

Thomas E. Bearden, a nuclear engineer, Director of the Association of Distinguished American Scientists and Fellow Emeritus of the Alpha Foundation Institute for Advanced Study (AIAS), has elaborated on William Cohen's statement:

"These weapons...are...strategic weapons and they have been on site in Russia since 1963... the Secretary of Defense of the United States confirmed that there are indeed novel kinds of EM [electromagnetic] weapons, right now and have been for some time, which have been and are being used to (1) initiate earthquakes, (2) engineer the weather and climate, and (3) initiate the eruption of volcanoes. We wrote about those exact uses of the weaponry decades ago. Several nations now have such weapons. Three of them (two on one side and the other on a hostile side) are even firing practice shots into Western Australia, as a convenient test range."

----American Free Press----
HARNESSING WEATHER

ALLEGATIONS SURFACE THAT U.S. & RUSSIA HAVE TECHNOLOGY TO MANAGE HURRICANES

On Oct. 2, 1992, The Wall Street Journal reported that a Russian company, Elate Intelligent Technologies, Inc., has weather control equipment for sale and uses the advertising slogan of “weather made to order.”

According to a UN pamphlet, titled Basic Facts about the United Nations, which was published in 1994, the world body negotiated the Convention on the Prohibition of Military or Other Hostile Use of Environmental Modification Techniques in 1977. This “prohibits the use of techniques that would have widespread, long-lasting or severe effects through deliberate manipulation of natural processes and cause such phenomena as earthquakes, tidal waves, and changes in climate and in weather patterns.”



So, You know...

Or protect ourselves....

Hmmm, the project was mispelled it's HAARP

and it is for weather control apparently

this website may be a little far out and NWO slanted

but they give the basic idea

and hell it's the best i cared to do after 3am

http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1207.cfm

hope it helps

HAARP has nothing to do with controlling the weather.

The only way we're affecting weather atm is through pollution, the emissions of greenhouse gases (possibly), urban heat islands, deforestation, and increased cloud cover from contrails..... Oh and the odd attemps at cloud seeding with very varied results.



And repitition of stupid nonsense like this sickens me. It's poor, lazy, journalism of the very worst kind - perpetuating a falsehood to make a story sound more dramatic - and in very poor taste given that so many people died

For the truth read This

Creating life giving weather over the drought damaged parts of Africa would be nice. If they were going to use this technology so they could grow crops and feed themselves by way of weather modification then I'd approve!

I honestly hope that this DOES NOT come to pass!!! The world & all it's leaders have enough issues as it is.

I also agree with Celumnaz about the Butterfly Effect. It all goes back to Newton's 3rd Law. If we screw with weather or nature in general, THERE WILL BE CONSEQUENCES!!! There can't help but be. It matters not if it's for "humanitarian" reasons. We are not "the great & powerful Oz", folks!!! Hate to tell you that.

Also, it could fall into "enemy hands". It's just a matter of time. Anything that can be "built for good" can be "used for evil". This is because things can't be good or evil, it's their uses that determine it's "value". The technology that has led to nuclear weapons didn't necessarially start there.

And just WHO would be in control of this technology??? This is something that really scares me. I can hear it now, "Let's take some of the annual rainfall from Seattle & send to to this drought region." Well, did you ever think that maybe those areas that get a "decent amount" of rain annually that their economy MAY BE dependent on it??? I can speak of this since I come from a farming family & have lived in agricultural areas all my life. And taking H2O from there doesn't mean that there won't be consequences. To me, all I see this doing is robbing Peter to pay Paul. That already happens here in CA. The water is in Northern CA, but the votes & people are in Southern CA...so they can take the water that is normally here & ship there. This screws the agricultural Northen CA.

I guess my only question is...

If this comes to pass, who gets to play God? And how will that person clean up any & all the messes it leaves behind? Cause food doesn't grow in cans or packages.

40nrockinon

i agree. I don't think we should be messing with controlling weather unless it pertains to safely stopping desasters without hurting the earth in the long run. Then regret will fall in if we do hurt earth after it's all over. The government seems to half the time be one step behind the country. They keep quiet too much and don't listen enough. To be honest, the world needs to wake up. The weather and all is only gonna get worse.