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Transform
Am i doing the right move to give new life to this world?

"Produce baby" to carry on the generation. blink.gif

Or did i do the wrong move?

Living in this world i have learn and know that as human being we have to go through many things and have to suffer many illnesses,war,fight,greed.etc.

Since i know we have to suffer all this why should i bring the next life to this world to suffer.

Did i move the right move to bring new life to this world.Or did i move the wrong move.

I am confuse no.gif
101
Oh Sweetie don't you worry. I have a child and she is fine. You just have to protect them and teach them what you know is right. You are going to do fine. Just because we have people who are rude and people who hate doesn't mean our children will or that they will be hated. You just need to focus on making your child's world the best you can make it. You shelter a youngster as much as you can til you need to let their winds expand. Then you teach them what is out there and to be weary.. original.gif
mako
You are making a great decision. Bringing new life into this world is a blessing to you, your parents and the world in general. Yes, this child might suffer, but suffering is merely part and parcel of life, why should your child be different? Suffering makes a person stronger and more sure of themselves. This child you think about could be the next great leader or scientist, maybe even the founder of a gentle loving religious movement that will surplant Abraham's three bloody children. Children are hope, children are love, the world needs children and their innocent unbiased outlook. Rejoice that you are going to have a little one to love, hold and protect. Nurture him/her and teach him/her to love with all her/his heart and soul. This old world needs more of that! yes.gif
Darkwind
I am glad to see that you take bring a child into the world is a great responsibility. Sure life can be hard, but life can also be great joy. The wonderment of a child seeing a butterfly for the first time. The joy reading a book on their own for the first time. Going to their first dance. Finding their true love. Holding their own child in their arms for the first time as you are about to do. Being a good father is not that hard, mix understanding, love, and time and you have it. You will make mistakes, you are human, just own up to them and learn to say I am sorry. Prepare yourself to see the world through a whole new set of eyes, your childs. You will be amazed at what you see. yes.gif
ramster83
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This child you think about could be the next great leader or scientist, maybe even the founder of a gentle loving religious movement that will surplant Abraham's three bloody children.


Or maybe the kid will become a great Christian...who knows!? Or would you think less of it? Oh Mako....tsk tsk! What a thing to say. This person asked if he/she is making a mistake by bringing a new born child into this world- and you mentioned "abrahams bloody religions"- talk about inappropriate. Sheesh. no.gif
ramster83
QUOTE(Transform @ Oct 12 2005, 11:10 PM) [snapback]884095[/snapback]

Am i doing the right move to give new life to this world?

"Produce baby" to carry on the generation. blink.gif

Or did i do the wrong move?

Living in this world i have learn and know that as human being we have to go through many things and have to suffer many illnesses,war,fight,greed.etc.

Since i know we have to suffer all this why should i bring the next life to this world to suffer.

Did i move the right move to bring new life to this world.Or did i move the wrong move.

I am confuse no.gif


No of course you are not making a mistake. Bringing a child to this world is said to be one of lifes greatest joys. Be a great responsible parent. Its not about bringing up this child in THE world, its bringing up the child in YOUR world. Have a blast! grin2.gif
mako
Now, now....temper temper Ramster...Of course the kid might become a Christian, that would be the joy of life, the freedom of choice of all aspects of life. Let's not argue at a happy time like this. I think Transform has made a tremendous decision and one that will make him happy beyond his wildest imagination. I know my girls (and my locally adopted one - 101) have. I just wish I could share all the joy that faces him in the intervening years! Go journey Transform and may the Creator be with you and yours - Mako yes.gif
ramster83
QUOTE(mako @ Oct 13 2005, 12:25 AM) [snapback]884174[/snapback]

Now, now....temper temper Ramster...Of course the kid might become a Christian, that would be the joy of life, the freedom of choice of all aspects of life. Let's not argue at a happy time like this. I think Transform has made a tremendous decision and one that will make him happy beyond his wildest imagination. I know my girls (and my locally adopted one - 101) have. I just wish I could share all the joy that faces him in the intervening years! Go journey Transform and may the Creator be with you and yours - Mako yes.gif


No Mako im not angry at ya or anything. Just a bit inappropriate thats all. Not looking for an argument just stated a point. I agree bringing a kid into the world must be a ball, and i cant wait once i seem to be financially fit and with the person i love! wink2.gif
Darkwind
Who knows he might even become a Pagan.

Ramster83 if your future child who say is under 18 came to you and said that Paganism was his chosen Path, what would you do? I don't want to start anything just wondering.
hyperactive
darkwind,
an valuable question for everybody. more valuable to the respondant is to consider whether the answer they give is really what they would do. sometimes the true answer is "i don't know" simply because the individual has never been in a similar enough situation prior. Especially those raised in a closed system tend to not welcome openness. The reason religions and other traditions stand is not so much because the parents would gladly allow the children to choose, but because the parents allow exposure to only one choice.
101
Hyper that is a good question. And you prove a wonderful point. Usually a child is sheltered to only one true way. But unless they are exposed to a relative of another faith or friend they will not know.

If my daughter came to me and said such a thing. I would first ask her "why Mackenzie" She then would tell me and I would understand and would know why she choose another path. yes.gif
Tangerine Sheri
I think we do our kids a disservice when we only allow one philosophy some children never overcome that and are prisioners their whole entire lives, i have chosen a teaching curriculium that teaches of all philosophys, As if someone can be influenced to beleive something LOL namste Sheri
EmpressV
I agree with sheri b. Children need exposure to all elements of life. If we protect them too much or allow them only one way to view religion then we do them a great disservice. We are actually promoting bigotry by not educating them about all the differences the world has to offer. Raising children is never easy but raising responsible well educated children is worth the effort. Good luck with whatever decision you make.
GIDEON MAGE
QUOTE(Transform @ Oct 12 2005, 09:10 AM) [snapback]884095[/snapback]

Am i doing the right move to give new life to this world?

"Produce baby" to carry on the generation. blink.gif

Or did i do the wrong move?

Living in this world i have learn and know that as human being we have to go through many things and have to suffer many illnesses,war,fight,greed.etc.

Since i know we have to suffer all this why should i bring the next life to this world to suffer.

Did i move the right move to bring new life to this world.Or did i move the wrong move.

I am confuse no.gif

if you want the baby, and can afford to raise it, please have a baby. If you can't afford it, have it anyway, but make a right-to-lifer adopt it.
Tangerine Sheri
excellent post curiousity you have been missed grin2.gif thumbsup.gif
ramster83
QUOTE(Darkwind @ Oct 13 2005, 04:42 AM) [snapback]884583[/snapback]

Who knows he might even become a Pagan.

Ramster83 if your future child who say is under 18 came to you and said that Paganism was his chosen Path, what would you do? I don't want to start anything just wondering.


Darkwind i will be totally honest, because i strayed from my dads religion (Islam) and moved to Unitarian (and i havent told him) i would still understand if my child chose a different faith than i. I might feel a bit down at first- but come on its my child i'll love him/her no matter what. If paganism feels right- then so be it. original.gif
SilverCougar
Heh... being the anti child haver that I am... it's your choice. If you want to bring a little kiddo into this world.. then do so.

Darkwind
QUOTE(ramster83 @ Oct 12 2005, 11:46 PM) [snapback]885073[/snapback]

Darkwind i will be totally honest, because i strayed from my dads religion (Islam) and moved to Unitarian (and i havent told him) i would still understand if my child chose a different faith than i. I might feel a bit down at first- but come on its my child i'll love him/her no matter what. If paganism feels right- then so be it. original.gif


Cool your going to make a good Dad.
GIDEON MAGE
this is silly-if you have any doubts, have the baby.if you abort, you will never have a chance again to fix it. if you give burth, you can always give the kid hell for 18 years. example:
giving birth: $30,000.
abortion: $10,000.


Being able to say:
"I could have had you cut out of my womb, so be good!" priceless!
bacca
No one can say what the right choice for anyone else is. It is that simple. However the last thing in my opinion that should influence that choice is religion. Religion won't feed you house you raise your child get up with them care for them and you when sick. It won't pay your bills or get you a job. It won't do school projects or answer the really hard questions (especially since that is usually one of them) But as for you being confused about it, well of course who wouldn't be. Most women I would think have at least a moment or two when pregnant of going what am I going to do? how can I be a mother? it doesn't come with a manual and it's not something that is easily changed once done.....No matter the choice made they all have consequences there is no way to get around that. Keeping it means a life that is no longer just yours. Giving it away may mean a life of wondering about it and thinking what if I hadn't given him/her away etc. and an abortion may be second guessed as well as the fact that it is a surgical procedure that comes with its own risks. The basic answer would be do what you feel is the best thing for you. People do suffer this is true but it isn't a requirement for life. It isn't something that your child will be born destined for and I'm sorry that you feel that way if you have this child you can give it joy and happiness that is also part of your job as a parent..............but that's just my opinion
thehappyhusky
QUOTE(Transform @ Oct 12 2005, 08:10 AM) [snapback]884095[/snapback]

Am i doing the right move to give new life to this world?

Since i know we have to suffer all this why should i bring the next life to this world to suffer.

Did i move the right move to bring new life to this world.Or did i move the wrong move.

I am confuse no.gif



My wife and I decided at the beginning of our marriage that we would bring no children into the world and have stuck by this decision.

However, IMO that in no way means the decision to do so is a bad one. It is a personal matter to decide based on your views of the world. If suffering is the fear, keep in mind that the people who lived through the great depression asked the same questions. Were their children worse off than them? Hardly. Although at times it looks as though the world can do nothing but get worse, this may not be the case. The best you can do is raise your child and shepard him/her through life. You need only ask yourself what answer you wanted YOUR parents to make. It seems like a worse world nowadays, and it is in some ways. But you need only look at medical advancements to begin to appreciate the benefits your children will see.

Our decision was based on the fact that we are basically both selfish individuals and very career driven. The child would grow up a product of daycare and we didn't want this to be (We both grew up with stay at home moms). Plus there are some interesting mental "Quirks" in both of our families that leads us to believe maybe these two particular gene pools need not continue. Especially in combination blink.gif
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