Is it possible that god loves everything and anyone so much that he created the most evil of evil because he loves him?

But when did evil come into existence? Wasn't it a choice for originally good beings to become evil and not God's original choice. However, if he is all-knowing and knew that they would become evil, then he did indirectly "create" evil.

according to isaiah, god created both.so god is above both

But wasn't it "Lucifer's" choice to "become evil"? Wasn't it also Adam and Eve's choice to fall? They did eat the fruit. And originally, wouldn't they have been classified as "good" and not "evil" before the serpent tempted them?

Does God love everything??
If so, then yes, God loves evil very much.

Per Christian belief
The tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
The existence of this mythical tree before Adam and Eve partook of the fruit indicates both good and evil existed before they (Adam and Eve) were created.

But then again, "Lucifer" existed before the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. And wasn't he originally "good"???

Sounds like his (Christian God's) batting average is sub standard doesn't it.

I'm asking that question to everyone, they are not my questions.

That was my answer.

And wasn't he originally "good"???
Sounds like his (Christian God's) batting average is sub standard doesn't it.
^That's your answer to that question??

The Christian God made Lucifer/Satan/the Devil (how ever you want to say his name) as his right hand man(angel) but he rebelled and fell from grace. God made man in his image and we know how that failed.

Are you starting to see the picture now?
His track record at failing.

So that's a yes?
But that doesn't answer if he was originally good...

His "track record at failing" is completely unrelated to the question.

Was he not made to help the Christian God?

You're changing this around now by asking me a question. Your "answer" made no sense in relation to my question and you lack being straightforward.

Bear with me on this.

Was he not made to help the Christian God?

But since I asked the first question, bear with me real quick...
If that was really your "answer", you're being quite ambiguous. Are you sure that was your "answer" to begin with, or were you just commenting on me? Because it actually makes a lot more sense if that was a statement made directly to me. If you'd like, you can admit it. I won't chew you up and spit you out.

It was made in response to your question/statement.
IMO....Lucifer/Satan/the Devil (how ever you want to say his name) was created good but faulty.
Man was made good but faulty.


That is assuming that what we are talking about was the truth.

And wasn't he originally "good"???
Sounds like his (Christian God's) batting average is sub standard doesn't it.

^But you have to admit that your "answer" makes no sense....

he loves both evil and good , if you have kids, and oen is terribly bad, you still love him dont you?

It does if you know the Bible and not believe it as being infallible.

I didn't know that they mentioned his batting average in the Bible....

You are slightly lame there.

It wasn't meant to be comedic. The face is to show sarcasm.
And the point is that you make no sense whatsoever.

I use this and to indicate I shouldn't be taken literally.

Delete Post.

You snuck a post in on me!

edit:and you deleted your post, so never mind.

I know the feeling.

God made Lucifer,yes he was originaly good,but God created him knowing full well he would turn evil. God loves evil oh yes

That was the point I was going to get to.

So if "Lucifer" was originally good and then chose to be evil, it gets interesting. If God is all-knowing, this means that he knew that "Lucifer" would turn out evil in the end. It implies that God indirectly "created" evil. And if God is full of love, then he has to love evil as well.

No God directly created evil.

I mean indirectly in association with "Lucifer" not later on (since he was originally good as we have all agreed)

For there to be "good" doesn't "evil" have to exist?

I love your thinking. First we must classify what was good, correct?
If evil didn't exist in the very beginning (and God created it directly or indirectly, lol)
that means that God wasn't good. What was he then? Neutral?

Who or what resides in the dark?

In other words, if God created evil, like you said, that means that evil could not have always existed. And if there can be no good without evil, that would make God a neutral entity, who later decided to be good.

Are you saying God has a split personality problem?

No, from the hypothesis I'm saying God makes choices. The same way we make choices.

Yele , evil turned around is live life lived backwards, devil turned around is lived allegorys for the inherent process of life in my opinion only, that even in our language we have the process built in. of course there are elaborate myths built around the inner workings of life which of course there are those that take it literally, with no choice how could we have anything??? How could we know good without the experince of evil at our level of understanding we feel a need to create evil in order to experince it would just the concept of evil be enough we have far to go much we don't know, If the bible is that which we are aware of and that which we understand can you see why this world is in the situation it is in??? NamasteSheri

Very good point.

one question, what would God consider evil maybe it's all the same to him.

All right, the people that died in the Flood and in Sodom and Gomorrah were evil or "wicked"
So whatever those guys were doing is what God would define as evil.

hold on i need a pain pill and a stiff drink then i'll read this again and try to understand what you are saying

Really I think that you are right. basically without good there is no evil even though they are both relative terms that are completely subject to the interpretation of the person involved or seeing the situation causing the good or evil. Basically nothing is appreciated if there is no flip side. What difference would pain make if you knew no peace? If all men were ugly you wouldn't even think of looking for a cute one right So that's my take on this rather strange question

How are we defining God here??? I am not on the entitty bearded man in the sky team, god is the process the form the infinite the non form the seen and unseen the known and unknown All of it and possible all the same thing behaving differently, the profound and the profane the good and the evil All of it? Why ???well thats why we have so many philosophys i myself would like to be open to new ideas new understandings the old ones are ineffective and have produced results that make for a very difficult time for the majority namaste Sheri

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Girly you have been missed PM me Namaste sheri

So God created evil so he could destroy evil sounds pretty cruel to me

Interesting. Very interesting.

God has the capacity to Hate. And it's not bad when he does it. It's what *we* describe as hate due to our limited condition. To Him, it's something else we can't realize/actualize just interpret as hate... God hates Divorce...

Same thing with Love, Jealousy, Cruelty, etc... etc... etc... We try to put our ideas of our limited experience on the unlimited and we only cause ourselves frustration.