The Evil God
A must read for all christians who think their god is all about love.....
Full Version: The True Evil in the BIble
I read it and nothing is really convincing yet.
CHILD BEATING
"He who spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him takes care to chastise him" (Proverbs 13:24 NAB)
Chastise does not necessarily mean beating. It means to punish or to rebuke, which makes sense. And the rest is perhaps in accordance to what was appropriate in the times of the Old Testament. But we cannot conclusively say that the Bible is evil.
CHILD BEATING
"He who spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him takes care to chastise him" (Proverbs 13:24 NAB)
Chastise does not necessarily mean beating. It means to punish or to rebuke, which makes sense. And the rest is perhaps in accordance to what was appropriate in the times of the Old Testament. But we cannot conclusively say that the Bible is evil.
Mana I have been to that web site before 
I do not remember seeing this before though:
I do not remember seeing this before though:
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10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.
9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.
8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God.
7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" including women, children, and trees!
6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.
5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.
4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all rival sects - will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving."
3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to "prove" Christianity.
2 - You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.
1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history - but still call yourself a Christian.
9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.
8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God.
7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" including women, children, and trees!
6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.
5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.
4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all rival sects - will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving."
3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to "prove" Christianity.
2 - You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.
1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history - but still call yourself a Christian.
QUOTE(manapa99 @ Oct 14 2005, 01:37 AM) [snapback]885745[/snapback]
That page was part insulting. It does use yes real quotes- but it is being extremely biased. He's taking every single passage literally, and even the churches dont do that anymore. There are a few fair enough points, but i already knew of voilence and evil things happening in the bible, but im not one to follow the Bible...I follow my heart and God will guide me, not the Bible - which is obviously part corrupted.
That guy is retarded. You can't destroy Christianity by bashing it like that.
And he needs to realize the Bible is mostly symbolic anyways. . . . .
By taking it literally, he's just as horrible as the fanatical Christians themselves.
Becoming one with the Enemy.
And he needs to realize the Bible is mostly symbolic anyways. . . . .
By taking it literally, he's just as horrible as the fanatical Christians themselves.
Becoming one with the Enemy.
manapa99, the point is moot! God, if He/She/It exists, is not the 'God', or 'God's' of the bible.
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....the point is moot!
What point is that?QUOTE
God, if He/She/It exists, is not the 'God', or 'God's' of the bible.
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QUOTE(Lauren @ Oct 14 2005, 02:46 AM) [snapback]885847[/snapback]
manapa99, the point is moot! God, if He/She/It exists, is not the 'God', or 'God's' of the bible.
God is one. Everyone in some way, shape or form follows the same God in my opinion. We are all many branches of the one tree. No biggie.
There is one small/major problem with that statement Ram....There are a growing number of people that do not believe in ANY God/Gods.
QUOTE(zandore @ Oct 14 2005, 02:55 AM) [snapback]885865[/snapback]
There is one small/major problem with that statement Ram....There are a growing number of people that do not believe in ANY God/Gods.
Thats not a problem at all. Thats everyone elses business. Oh and thats not exactly true, there are a growing number of Agnostics and "non religious" people but "Athiests" are waaaaaaay down there in world totals of "beliefs" or "non beliefs" . Religions not going to die out in our lifetime so why worry?
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Religions not going to die out in our lifetime so why worry?
I don't! 
Just biding my time on that one.
That is a valid point^ I think that those who have a belief system that is monotheistic have a hard time understanding that sometimes folks just may not have a god to refer to. It is just as valid an opinion as any other. I personally don't know what the truth of the matter is but in my opinion the old and new testament tend to show "god" in a light that would make me rather nervous to be around. All about love and compassion, but rather cranky and murderous in the same book...
Perhaps the bible is just so far corrupted and changed from the original meaning that it is no longer anywhere near the truth...it seems that the god of the bible is a horribly bipolar angry parent who would be so scary to be around for fear of a judgement...
That is just my opinion though...I would hope that I was wrong and there was a lot more tolerance in there...
Perhaps the bible is just so far corrupted and changed from the original meaning that it is no longer anywhere near the truth...it seems that the god of the bible is a horribly bipolar angry parent who would be so scary to be around for fear of a judgement...
That is just my opinion though...I would hope that I was wrong and there was a lot more tolerance in there...
You are better with words than I am.
Well it just make sense to me that as a parent would love their children- and not "favourite" one of them for any reason- is how God would be with us. The original message i bet was a message of love, tolerance, peace and unification- but theres a lot of trouble makers walking this earth and the Bibles been through too many dirty hands for me to wholeheartedly trust it. I think there may be SOME limits, but Gods love is strong and the fact is no church or scripture should be the basis of that- just mind, body and soul- i embrace his love for i'm his child and i do my best, thats all.
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The original message i bet was a message of love, tolerance, peace and unification
OT or the NT?QUOTE
.....but theres a lot of trouble makers walking this earth.....
The majority of them use religion as the basis for their actions (not just Christianity).QUOTE
i embrace his love for i'm his child and i do my best, thats all.
Nothing more can be expected.
ROFLMAO
This is hilarious. Good Post. I especiallly like this one.
So true......
This is hilarious. Good Post. I especiallly like this one.
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1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history - but still call yourself a Christian.
So true......
I kind of liked the whole list.
You know, this is what I don't get....
I grew up in a very religious family and all my life I was taught never to question the bible. the bible is the word of god and it's true down to the letter...
Now we have people saying no it's just symbolic...
Well those people would have been killed just a few hindered years ago for even suggesting that, but now in today's world all of a sudden when the bible doesn't match up with what we know to be true and real then it becomes just symbolic....
Well you know what, I think this is the sign that it is on it's way out, when the word of god is thought of as just symbolic and not the actual law not to be questioned that means enough people have questioned it and society has gotten to the point that they realize everything that is written in the bible doesn't match up with what we really know about the world...
I personally feel that this is the first sign of a true fall of religion, and I hope people will soon realize that they need to stop making excuses and start coming to grasp with the fact that someone a long time ago had a good idea to control people and explain the world, and it just doesn't work today.
So what I’m trying to show here is how absurd this all really is because honestly that is why I am an atheist...
We all say it's symbolic, but symbolic of what?
Then what really did happen?
People have to start looking at this and questioning... because there's going to be a whole lot more of that now that we can't take the bible as written fact. People are going to wonder what are the real facts and then they have no choice but to question in my opinion.... and questioning is the first step to truly opening your eyes
I grew up in a very religious family and all my life I was taught never to question the bible. the bible is the word of god and it's true down to the letter...
Now we have people saying no it's just symbolic...
Well those people would have been killed just a few hindered years ago for even suggesting that, but now in today's world all of a sudden when the bible doesn't match up with what we know to be true and real then it becomes just symbolic....
Well you know what, I think this is the sign that it is on it's way out, when the word of god is thought of as just symbolic and not the actual law not to be questioned that means enough people have questioned it and society has gotten to the point that they realize everything that is written in the bible doesn't match up with what we really know about the world...
I personally feel that this is the first sign of a true fall of religion, and I hope people will soon realize that they need to stop making excuses and start coming to grasp with the fact that someone a long time ago had a good idea to control people and explain the world, and it just doesn't work today.
So what I’m trying to show here is how absurd this all really is because honestly that is why I am an atheist...
We all say it's symbolic, but symbolic of what?
Then what really did happen?
People have to start looking at this and questioning... because there's going to be a whole lot more of that now that we can't take the bible as written fact. People are going to wonder what are the real facts and then they have no choice but to question in my opinion.... and questioning is the first step to truly opening your eyes
QUOTE(manapa99 @ Oct 13 2005, 06:42 PM) [snapback]886536[/snapback]
I personally feel that this is the first sign of a true fall of religion, and I hope people will soon realize that they need to stop making excuses and start coming to grasp with the fact that someone a long time ago had a good idea to control people and explain the world, and it just doesn't work today.
Well put!!!
Well i read this somewhere in the bible...It said that kindoms i cant remember there names were to be destroyed because they didnt belive in God!lol....
I didn't find anything untrue on the list I agree with Manapa its time to call relgions bluff pat em on the back, good Job Best lies ever told, and call it a day. Namaste Sheri
This is hardly the first sign. Religion was doomed to fall.
QUOTE(Sheri berri @ Oct 13 2005, 06:01 PM) [snapback]886636[/snapback]
I didn't find anything untrue on the list I agree with Manapa its time to call relgions bluff pat em on the back, good Job Best lies ever told, and call it a day. Namaste Sheri
2000 years of terror, war, and massacres in the name of Yeshu the Carpenter! Enough! May Jesus strike me dead if he is really God! omg I'm choking! Help me! OY! Oy! Just faking, he is not really god, and has no power!hahaha!
That really irks me that 7,000 people on this thread have your avatar, Gideon. I thought you were someone else...
I believe in God but in the bible I don't believe more than 50%, many in the past commited crimes in the name of God like many still do today, maybe some of those crimes were transcribed to the bible or the bible text was changed with some stories that are just meant to manipulate/deceive us nowdays or in the future.
QUOTE(Nirwana @ Oct 13 2005, 11:01 PM) [snapback]886801[/snapback]
I believe in God but in the bible I don't believe more than 50%, many in the past commited crimes in the name of God like many still do today, maybe some of those crimes were transcribed to the bible or the bible text was changed with some stories that are just meant to manipulate/deceive us nowdays or in the future.
okay, but then why even believe 50%
if the bible as it is preached is supose to be the word of god why pick and chose from it at all...
how do you know that it all wasn't ment to manipulate/deceive us
and if nothing else really look at it from a different point of view
really look at it and ask your self what if it isn't true at all, and question don't just go with what someone tells you to think and believe
question everything
QUOTE(Yelekiah @ Oct 13 2005, 06:03 PM) [snapback]886640[/snapback]
This is hardly the first sign. Religion was doomed to fall.
namaste Sheri
If someone thinks they've made a point they're sadly mistaken. I can feel the hate in the ideas espoused here.
Seems to me most don't even know the definition, action, and fruits of love, but are trying to impose their limited experience on the divine.
Enjoy the orgy while it lasts.
Seems to me most don't even know the definition, action, and fruits of love, but are trying to impose their limited experience on the divine.
Enjoy the orgy while it lasts.
QUOTE(Fluffybunny @ Oct 13 2005, 06:04 PM) [snapback]885887[/snapback]
erhaps the bible is just so far corrupted and changed from the original meaning that it is no longer anywhere near the truth...it seems that the god of the bible is a horribly bipolar angry parent who would be so scary to be around for fear of a judgement...
I think you have it in one there fluffy... The Bible is likely so far off it's original message and twisted by the mind of man that it should never be treated as the true nature of God, or any Godlike entity, if he exists.
The Bible reflects human nature far too much for it to be any sort of representation of any divine word imo.
QUOTE(Celumnaz @ Oct 14 2005, 10:06 AM) [snapback]887287[/snapback]
If someone thinks they've made a point they're sadly mistaken. I can feel the hate in the ideas espoused here.
Seems to me most don't even know the definition, action, and fruits of love, but are trying to impose their limited experience on the divine.
Enjoy the orgy while it lasts.
i have no hate for anyone, but it's obveous you hate the idea of really looing at the bible from a differant perspective.
and how exactly do you know what my experiances are?
you don't even know me and you obveously are just attacking me for expressing my opinions...
so why even bother
QUOTE(manapa99 @ Oct 14 2005, 09:35 AM) [snapback]887345[/snapback]
i have no hate for anyone, but it's obveous you hate the idea of really looing at the bible from a differant perspective.
So you say. I say you're wrong on both points.
QUOTE(manapa99 @ Oct 14 2005, 09:35 AM) [snapback]887345[/snapback]
and how exactly do you know what my experiances are?
My assumption is, your human and have the limited human experience. Perhaps I'm wrong?
QUOTE(manapa99 @ Oct 14 2005, 09:35 AM) [snapback]887345[/snapback]
you don't even know me and you obveously are just attacking me for expressing my opinions...
so why even bother
so why even bother
You feel attacked? Why?
Ok, don't bother. I'm not sure why I did, knowing the futility in speaking to hearts hardened against God.
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My assumption is, your human and have the limited human experience. Perhaps I'm wrong?
The flip of the coin is you are human too. so the odds are "you can be just as wrong" as Manapa.
Some of the points made this dude made I cant see being taken in any other way than litteral.
QUOTE(Baldwin @ Oct 14 2005, 10:55 AM) [snapback]887380[/snapback]
Some of the points made this dude made I cant see being taken in any other way than litteral.
Who might that be if I can ask?
^Whoever made the site.
You mean the thread The True Evil in the BIble?
No, not this thread. The SITE that was posted in the first post.
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You feel attacked? Why?
Ok, don't bother. I'm not sure why I did, knowing the futility in speaking to hearts hardened against God
Ok, don't bother. I'm not sure why I did, knowing the futility in speaking to hearts hardened against God
Okay well if you have a valid point and one not concerning putting human traits on god because I don't believe in god so it's useless
then I am more then interested in listening, but if you are just going to tell me something I think or feel is wrong, because you or someone else says so then no I’m not going to listen, that's the whole thing that is wrong with religion in the first place....
IMHO
QUOTE(Baldwin @ Oct 14 2005, 10:55 AM) [snapback]887380[/snapback]
Some of the points made this dude made I cant see being taken in any other way than litteral.
yeah me either, but everyone says it's symbolic.... of what?
god punishing and killing and telling people to kill is symbolic of what?
people wanting to???? i don't get it i guess..
QUOTE(Baldwin @ Oct 14 2005, 11:07 AM) [snapback]887398[/snapback]
No, not this thread. The SITE that was posted in the first post.
I think one of us is misunderstanding the other.
This site is unexplained-mysteries.com
The first post in this thread was by Manapa99.
Celumnaz,
I happen to know Manapa in real life. And he has no hate for anything. It sounds to me that you are the one with all the hate. Are you are saying that more then half the world is full of hate because they don’t believe in your bible and that only christians know love? Hearts hardened against god, what god? How can our hearts be hardened against god when we know there is no god?
I happen to know Manapa in real life. And he has no hate for anything. It sounds to me that you are the one with all the hate. Are you are saying that more then half the world is full of hate because they don’t believe in your bible and that only christians know love? Hearts hardened against god, what god? How can our hearts be hardened against god when we know there is no god?
QUOTE(zandore @ Oct 14 2005, 09:49 AM) [snapback]887373[/snapback]
The flip of the coin is you are human too.
so the odds are "you can be just as wrong" as Manapa.That's one of the "darts" talked about in Ephesians.
Faith.
QUOTE(manapa99 @ Oct 14 2005, 10:08 AM) [snapback]887401[/snapback]
Okay well if you have a valid point and one not concerning putting human traits on god because I don't believe in god so it's useless
then I am more then interested in listening, but if you are just going to tell me something I think or feel is wrong, because you or someone else says so then no I’m not going to listen, that's the whole thing that is wrong with religion in the first place....
IMHO
Why put your ideas of love/hate or anything else as limited by the human condition on something you don't even believe in? Don't say He loves or hates, say he doesn't exsist. Don't try to "prove" him Evil. How can nothing be evil? Would make more sense for you to go play ping pong than talk about how solid or gasseous blue is.
QUOTE(Odin11 @ Oct 14 2005, 01:19 PM) [snapback]887650[/snapback]
Celumnaz,
I happen to know Manapa in real life. And he has no hate for anything. It sounds to me that you are the one with all the hate. Are you are saying that more then half the world is full of hate because they don’t believe in your bible and that only christians know love?
Did I say that? Functional Alcoholics say they don't drink too much, does that make it true?
QUOTE(Odin11 @ Oct 14 2005, 01:19 PM) [snapback]887650[/snapback]
Hearts hardened against god, what god? How can our hearts be hardened against god when we know there is no god?
See. No problem! Thank you for making my point.
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Why put your ideas of love/hate or anything else as limited by the human condition on something you don't even believe in? Don't say He loves or hates, say he doesn't exsist. Don't try to "prove" him Evil. How can nothing be evil? Would make more sense for you to go play ping pong than talk about how solid or gasseous blue is.
?????
Okay I’m sorry for calling you god evil, but by every standard you give people all the stuff on the website would be evil if a human did that right???
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Functional Alcoholics say they don't drink too much, does that make it true?
Priest say god exists does that make it true?????
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That's one of the "darts" talked about in Ephesians.
Faith
Faith
As I have pointed out over and over, any religion that can only offer faith as evidence is a weak and probably false religion. Notice that since the religion has lost control of the western world, it is rapidly dying?
But don't all religions base their beliefs on faith?
I mean what do you mean?
I know that we cannot see Allah, The goddess, The other Gods. The spagetti monster thingy. I mean what proof do these religions have?
I mean what do you mean?
I know that we cannot see Allah, The goddess, The other Gods. The spagetti monster thingy. I mean what proof do these religions have?
There is no proof of any kind for any god, goddess, demon, devil, creator or any such thing. No religion can be proven. All religions are only the opinions of those that hold them. No sacred scriptures can be proven to be from anything other that the men that wrote them down and thus can't be evidence of any god, goddess, et al. I like Deism because it demands no faith, we strive to understand the nature of the Creator/Universe through observation. We do work under the assumption that there is a Creator, but we do not have faith in his existence, only the assumption that he does (there is a moot but small difference there).
QUOTE(manapa99 @ Oct 14 2005, 03:51 PM) [snapback]887940[/snapback]
?????
Okay I’m sorry for calling you god evil, but by every standard you give people all the stuff on the website would be evil if a human did that right???
Everyone does "evil". I don't understand your point.
QUOTE(manapa99 @ Oct 14 2005, 03:51 PM) [snapback]887940[/snapback]
Priest say god exists does that make it true?????
That is a person making a statement about something else, my comments are about a person's self awareness.
QUOTE(mako @ Oct 14 2005, 04:01 PM) [snapback]887959[/snapback]
As I have pointed out over and over, any religion that can only offer faith as evidence is a weak and probably false religion.
More fiery darts.
In that one sentence I can see no fewer than 11 separate arguments, Just to get at a point where we *might* be on the same page, and that's assuming willingness. This is why it's a fools errand to debate those whose hearts are hardened against God.
QUOTE(mako @ Oct 14 2005, 04:14 PM) [snapback]887977[/snapback]
We do work under the assumption that there is a Creator, but we do not have faith in his existence, only the assumption that he does (there is a moot but small difference there).
What creator? I thought there was no creator? Big bang/evolution etc... what proof is there of a creator?
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More fiery darts.
You call it fiery darts, I can it the inability to face the truth. See you Monday.
lol okies take care mako 
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