If God made the us and the world, then who made God?

God recreated himself, derr.

But how, sweet? Explain your theory. :sk

God had to realize it was God, and therefore become a greater consciousness.

God just always was. That's not to say that He always knew what He was, because that is an entirely different story. Some things can't be explained down to a finite point. There are some questions we'll just never be able to answer, like: What really created life, or How many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie pop?

Isn't it 279 or something?

According to Google, when tested with a licking machine ( ) it takes an average of 300-400 licks to get to the center. But that wasn't my point.

The world shall never know.

I know, I know, I just like to have fun, dude.

I'm not a dude sweetness, a lady or fairy either is fine

I was talking to the angrycrustacean, doll.

When one is all things how could it experince itself as anything??? Many myths allude to this question and its the adam and eve story the temptation of Adam metaphorically exlpains it , now if you go with thte popular literal version it won't make sense, and it gets wierd and insane but seriously there are plenty of books on just this subject, so many philosophys its basically what sits best with you, I'd like to think all the of philosophys tell of some aspect of creation . Namaste sheri

Sorry, crusty, I assumed you were a dude. Not sure which one now...

But back to God...

I am indeed a dude.

lol, did you just now change your profile? I swear that wasn't there before.

Yeah, I did. Don't worry, you're not blind or anything.

Cool. In my opinion I think God had to evolve. Dimensions are what allow perception and language. But what if they weren't here the way we think they were? So when the dimensions came into place, then God could say "Let there be light"
And his words alone caused creations. Words are that powerful. And even now I think God is still evolving.

Yele i agree if we can say anything for sure its life is constantly changing and becoming more of itself (God is synomous with life to me the same thing)we have no choice in that we will grow and change we can only decide in which direction that will happen. That is another reason religion can't hold up it goes against the true essence of life it says things stay the same nothing changes. Its wrong plain and simply wrong. namaste sheri

in norse religion, there were sacred runes that held the words of the gods. single words of the gods, which Odin gave man, to aid man.

heh, I'll vague this up when I research this more. it was something I read some time ago and its always stuck with me.

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ok, heres the vague up.

Since ancient times, runes have been used for divination and magic, in addition to writing. The word "rune" actually means mystery, secret or whisper. Each rune has esoteric meanings and properties associated with it, beyond its mundane meaning and phonetic value. Each translates into a word or a phrase signifying concepts important to the early peoples who used them, representing the forces of nature and mind. Each rune has a story attached to it, a relationship to a Norse God.

Odin, the Norse High God of the Aesir, hung from the world tree, Yggdrasil, impaled on his own spear, for nine days and nights in order to gain the knowledge of runes. When the runes appeared below him, he reached down and took them up, and the runic knowledge gave him power . He later passed on this knowledge to the Vanir goddess Freya. She, in turn, taught him the magic of seidr. Heimdall, the god who guarded the Rainbow Bridge, taught the runes to mankind.

runes

(this fits into the power of words. just a by the by here)

Lao Tsu explains it well.

"Tao begets one, one begets two, two begets three, and three begets the ten thousand things." Kabala tells the same story:

God emerges from the infinite, at a single point, and makes everything.
in Lao Tsu, Shen Te, Lord of heaven (god) emerges from the Tao (eternal way) at the point of Te(Virtue).

In Kabbalah, Ain (nothingness) contracts at a single point, En Sof (Endlessness), and emerges to create the universe as En Sof Aur (Endless Light).
God is not created, He/She/It, whatever, emerges from nothingness (which in a way is also God). before this universe, there were infinite other universes, as the catholics like to say "world without end". the lesson is over, go in peace. there will be a test.thank you.

I'd also like to add that Abracadabra is Hebrew for "I create as I speak"
So what was God up to before the magic words?
I think he was concerned about progression and not going backwards.

First you need to make sure if God is even governed by time. He did create our physics, and time is part of them, therefore as we see things, using our limited knowledge, we think everything has to have a beggining and an End. Our human minds can't understand anything outside of our physics. Such as a being that need not be created.



:: shrugs ::

Just my opinion.

I don't think he's "governed" per se given that time is invariant. It doesn't actually flow or pass. We pass. Time in a lot of ways is just our minds deceiving us. Have you ever felt like time went too fast or too slow? It's all really related to the nervous system.

Isnt it obvious?
The Big Bang created god

No, let's think about it this way...What created the Big Bang?
Hidden dimensions colliding into each other. What caused those collisions to convert large quantities of energy into matter?
Someone could easily argue that it was God, or at least a very early model of it.

Exercise in Tagmemics: "What if?"

Jack: What if we are exactly what we think we are? And there really was a "Big Bang"; and Natural Selection is the way of evolution; and Life doesn't have an ultimate meaning; and All Things are exactly what we think they are; and all of those palliative measures we take to alleviate our anxiety over being rather insignificant amount to nothing more than temporary distractions; and those lives we've revered and/or destroyed have no consequence whatsoever; and what if tomorrow money had no value; and what if ....

Jill: I have to disagree with you about The Big Bang. The evidence and theories posited and established so far are not persuasive enough to be etched in stone quite yet. We are far too pubescent in our understanding of All Things to make such claims. One example would be that we're still stuck at/limited to the Speed of Light when logic dictates that there must be something in front of Light. I would argue that it is Dark in front of Light, however, logic would further dictate that something more is in front of Dark. And that, perhaps, is where a certain Force or Higher Power may exist. (How's that for a What If?). Yes, we could go on eternally(?) with "and in front of that" or "and before that" ....

Since Life occupies and thrives in every square inch of this planet and has an uncanny way of doing so (5 miles into the dark depths of the ocean, in the core of rocks from the Precambrian Era, under the weight millions of years of frozen ice, et cetera), then Life has always existed. Just because we have yet to find it anywhere else means nothing.
Natural Selection? As chaotic as it my seem... For even in what appears to be Chaos, there must be a pattern (borrowed that line from the film "pi").

Those palliative measures have not worked. Consider the What If we haven't spent the last 10,000 years killing (or even "just" oppressing) each other .... What If instead of 10,000 years we replace that number with 100? Or 50? Or 30? Or 10?

Are we so different in our imaginations? We certainly have a shared uniqueness about us but ... for example, why do a minimum of 230 million imagine our country to be a democracy?
I don't believe any life is without consequence. I hold the belief that all souls are connected, that all life is connected, that All Things are connected. Always were and always will. I can't explain that belief very well; I rarely try to.

One last question: How many truly pray for others?

Jack: If there is a constant in our shared realities--besides change--it must be the fragility of life. Often bittersweet; often harsh and painful; often ignored or repressed; and often never considered until confronted, we may laugh, dance, sing, or do whatever it is that we do which brings us pleasure--yet we will do so in a frame of mind, a consciousness. Our emotions cannot be cleansed. So go ahead and laugh, dance, and sing; be angry and frustrated; do whatever and go wherever desire leads you: as permeating and perpetuating and determined and deliberate as life appears to be is as fragile and momentary and ephemeral and precarious as it can be as well.

Jill: What does that have to do with anything The Big Bang or anything I just said?

Jack: I don't know. It just occurred to me as was absorbing your words.

Jill: Interesting.

I agree that humans cannot comprehend everything there is to know presently and also that we are very much connected. Would it make sense that we are all a part of God if God is in all things? If this is so, all we need to do is look into ourselves to find out the origins of God.

i guess kabbalah and i ching are much too complex for you guys.

There's nothing complex about this unless you think of it in relation to physics, Gideon.

You know, this is getting really old. How about doing a search function and getting some previously well drawn out answers. In God's own words He is 'Self Eternal' and not made by anyone. End of discussion, thank you, have a nice life.

Actually, this topic is interesting. If God is "self-eternal" it wouldn't be cohesive with physics.
In your opinion, did God make himself? If so, why?

God is simply a concept of human imagination. Therefore, God can have any abilities the human imagination can attribute to him/her/it.

thanks. of course it relates to physics, and the big bang, etc. "Captain Kirk, Spock here. JIm, I have indeed found an intelligent life form."

yeah i agree.

basically, we are our own gods. - we are god and god is us. -

"we are our own gods, standing on the shoulders of giants..." as I once heard in a poem.

Agreement!
God/Gods/Goddess/Goddesses are a man made mythology.

Yelekiah, yes, I do think we must look within ourselves if, indeed, G-d is All Things. Of all the mysteries in the universe(s), I believe the greatest of all lies within the human body, the sublime nature of human nature... most recently placed in lyric form by Portishead: "Who am I, what, and why?"