"Science is organized knowledge, wisdom is organized life." Immanuel Kant

One does not preclude the other. Without knowledge there can be no wisdom, and without wisdom the utilization of knowledge is incomplete. Hazzard is correct, wisdom is indeed gained through experience and at great effort.

One gaining "correct knowledge" can bring wisdom, which then would make this quite tangible.

As for your beliefs about "freeethinkers" and others, you can believe what you wish, and this will become your own reality! I can still recall someone I once read about saying that the World was round, and everyone else in the World belived that it was flat. Truth does not exist in what the masses believe, it exists in what you make to be your own reality. Be sure to choose wisely when you elect to follow someone elses beliefs and interpretations of reality!

Ironic how we talk of wisdom and knowledge on this forum.

nice presentation ....back to topic the artists in the old days sure liked to put flying objects in there paintings...can we agree on this?

The book has been classed as fiction, because she was not allowed to disclose the tribe and their wheareabouts, thus having to class it in this category.

Your outdated understanding of learning also makes me laugh! Thank's! We are just starting to dawn on this Earth of what has been known for milions of years by the creators.
A good example of this would be that scientists have discovered recently that we can transfer intelligence between one animal and another by injecting the brain chemicals from one to the other. Wow! This method of education has been used for education of extraterestrials for thousands of years! Your concept of having to do the miles and have hands on experience wreeks of jurassic instinct and principles.

Link please (documenting this scientific discovery).

That is your trademark,laughing to seem superior,its not working.



Why plural!!?



Any proof you would like to share with us,or are we supposed to take your word for it.


Were do you get this scifi crap?

So what then would be the difference between her tribe and Kippendorf's Tribe?







Oh, get over yourself, already!

Scientists have known about neural transmission since the early eighties. As a system of education is has several decades to go.



And so ends another intelligent conversation...Thank you, you made me laugh, I'm not allowed to disclose my sources, lol, roflmaf, etc, etc, etc...sheesh!

After having checked your link to discredit Marlow Morgan's book, I observed the following statement from her. I could not find the part where you refer to her saying that this is a made up story by her. If she has made this statement by her own pen or mouth, please show me where this can be found.

Marlo Morgan reaction to our protest in Kobe was to inform the audience once we left the podium that both myself and Paul Sampi had travelled to the United States during early 1996 to carry out an assassination attempt on her life. She stated that "the attempt had failed because she represented all that was good and we represented all that was bad, in the end goodness will prevail". she further stated that if you knew of the people in which I write about in "Mutant Message" you will see the starck difference between those people and the two men who have come here today.

Black is black, and white is white! Does grey not matter to you? If we all used the grey matter, we would also learn to see the other colours which are available in our spectrum of reality.

Dont smoke any more of that,its not good for you.

Oh, he's talking about neural transmission! Oh yeah, as a system of education it has quite a ways to go...probably won't see it in our lifetimes.

"In 1996 a delegation of Aboriginal elders went to the United States to express their horror and hurt. A week later Morgan admitted that she had lied about the authenticity of her story. Harper Collins has now published it as "fiction." However, Morgan's four-page preface is unchanged, still claiming that the whole story is authentic and written with the approval of Aboriginal people."

I actually did this in college. In one of the biology classes, we trained a flatworm to follow a specific path, then cut it up and fed it to other flatworms. Three of them followed the identical path. It was kind of freaky. It made us wonder if there was any truth to the idea of cannibalism gifting the eater with the powers of the person eaten.

Good thing this doesn't apply to humans. If it did, certain people would have to worry about others trying to take a bite out of them! I can hear it now, "Ah, come on Dr. Hawking, all we want is a little nibble!" Scarey thought!

lol

http://www.princeton.edu/pr/news/99/c/0901...#humans%20could

So! Back on topic. Who has "De bunked" the following as fakes?

(These images have been posted previously, but I have not seen anything to debunk them).

Please find someone who has done this, I need another good laugh.

Well your second one has been debunked.



Source

I am assuming that she is right, unless you are as qualified as her and want to disagree?

Did anyone else think that the silver sphere in this one looks like the Sputnik?

Please, dont feed the troll!

That is the Sun.

Ok Pannkakskungen in future I will abide by your request here, and not give you any further links to confirm my evidence, If this is your own wish, and I would also recommend to anyone else who wishes to feed the troll to heed it's warning!

lmao

You mean, does this creation globe resemble Sputnik? Yeah, it sorta does!

BTW, it helps if you read the entire thread before you reply...you would have seen this.

Maby you could have an adult read some of your posts out loud.

Seriously, IAAAM, at some point you should realize that the purpose is not to debunk each individual sample of ancient artwork as representative of extraterrestril. The claim is that prior to thinking of the ancient past as representing the world hundreds of years in the future, perhaps you should first consider what the artwork would represent to the people that actually made it.

Debate is fine, but if all you are doing is saying "LOL", "She never said it was fake!" (followed by "She was forced"), and "Well, explain this one!", all you are doing is wasting time.

I'll answer this one for him.

This image was painted by a contemporary Russian artist to illustrate the cover of a 1967 issue of the "Sputnik" Russian magazine, in which there was an article devoted to the topic of visits of ancient astronauts 12.000 years ago, which had been inspired among other stuff by the prehistoric paintings in the caves of Fergana in Uzbekistan in which certain characteristics were considered as possibly some ancient close encounter of the third kind. These paintings seem to exist, but they are sometimes dated back to 2000 BC, sometimes 7000 BC, rather than 10.000 BC.

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Sure, they exist. That isn't the issue. What is at question is whether they represent extraterrestrial visitation. If these pictures are of aliens, then we have to ask ourselves "Why did these ancient artists not paint humans?". All the humanoid figures look like the 'aliens'. Alternatively, these aren't pictures of aliens, but rather of humans.

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What could these images be representing?

True they could be their representation of humans. But one has four arms?

Crosses, symbols of the crucifixion of Christ.

Why would they be floating around in the sky, with no sort of order, and so many of them?

Where (according to Christians) is heaven located?

Why so many? Who knows (I'll bet the artist did). A guess....to symbolize Saints and Christian martyrs, or to symbolize the significance of the crucifixion for all of humanity.

Then again, I suppose they could be 747 jumbo jets, a high probability for that guess I'll bet (sarcasm intended here).

There are many painting's in history that appear to show something that may be a UFO...But sense the artist are all long dead, we can only guess at what they meant by the object's...

I guess it would be naive to think they are only birds flying around the great outdoors.

Ancient cave painting in the prince Regent River valley in Kimberleys, Australia. The figure on the left seems to be wearing a space helmet with antenna. None of the figures look like Australian natives, they look more like Europeans. Or aliens?
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A mysterious rock carving near Navai, Uzbekistan, Russia. It's estimated to be at least 3000 ears old. The men appear to be wearing respirators. Could the object with rays be a space rocket?

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Quote of Roger Bacon, Friar, 13th century: "Flying machines as these were of old, made even in our days."

Hermes or Mercury wore winged sandals and a winged hat. He could fly at great speed. Merely a legend? Often legends are based on real happenings passed down through the generations and the only record of what happened thousands of years before records were written down.

Daedalus constructed wings for his son Icarus, but in piloting his glider the boy flew too high and fell into the sea (now known as the Icarian Sea).
Daedalus was not a mythological figure, he was an aeronautical designer, one of the engineers of Knossos. They constructed water-chutes in parabolic curves to conform exactly to the natural flow of water - streamlined... Streamline could only be produced by long years of scientific development and is an essential part of aerodynamics, which Daedalus must have mastered.

The Chinese Annals relate that Emperor Shun (2258-2208 B.C.) constructed not only a flying apparatus but even made a parachute about the same time Daedalus built his gliders.

Emperor Cheng Tang (1766 B.C.) ordered Ki-Kung-Shi to design a flying chariot. The latter completed the assignment and tested the aircraft in flight, reaching the province of Honan. Subsequently the vessel was destroyed by imperial edict as Cheng Tang was afraid the secret of its mechanism might fall into enemy hands.
This implies that the Emperor and his sages must have had blueprints of this skyship.

The Chinese poet Chu Yuan (3rd Century B.C.) wrote of his flight in a jade chariot at a high altitude over the Gobi Desert towards the Kun Lun Mountains. He accurately described how the aircraft was unaffected by the winds and dust of the Gobi, and how he conducted an aerial survey.

In the early part of the fourth century Ko-Hung wrote about a helicopter in China: "Some have made flying cars with wood from the inner part of the jujube tree, using ox leather straps fastened to rotating blades to set the machine in motion."

The Sanscrit term 'vimana vidya' means 'the science of building and piloting airships'. Why would they use or need such a term?

The Indian classic 'Mahabharata', one of the oldest books in the world, speak of 'an aerial chariot with the sides of iron and clad with wings'. An aeroplane?

The Ramayana describes the 'vimana' as a double deck circular aircraft with portholes and a dome. It flew with the 'speed of the wind' and gave forth a 'melodious sound'. Now that sounds more advanced than the jets we see now - what were they?
A pilot had to be well trained otherwise no vimana was placed in his hands. The vimana could stop and remain motionless in the sky. The ancient classic gives an account of how the vimana soared above the clouds - from that altitude 'the ocean looked like a small pool of water'. The aviator was able to see the ocean coast and deltas of rivers.
The vimanas were kept in 'vimana griha' or hangars. They were propelled by a yellowish-white liquid and employed for warfare, travel or sport. One is amazed at the wealth of detail in this ancient tale and wonders what stimulated it - fantasy of the authors or actual memories and/or happenings?

In ancient India six young men constructed a dirigible airship - the Pantachantra contains the full story of the experiment. The machine was operated by a complex control system, providing a safe, fast flight and perfect manoeuvrability.

There are two categories of ancient Sanscrit texts - the factual records known as the Manusa and the mythical and religious literature known as the Daiva. The Samara Sutradhara, which belongs to the factual type of records, treats air travel from every angle. The book contains 230 stanzas about the construction of flying machines. It deals not only with take-off, cruising for thousands of kilometers, normal and forced landings, but even with possible collisions of aircraft with birds!
The same source mentions the 'Samhara', a missile that crippled and the 'Moha', a weapon that produced a state of complete paralysis.

The pyramid texts contain a curious interpretation of the purpose of the pyramids: as a ramp to the sky so that man may go up to the sky.
There are 5000-year old images of Isis which portray the goddess with folded wings.

Folklore from all over the world has strange tales about flying machines. In 1958 the Smithsonian Institute published the results of American, Soviet and Indian archaeological research which indicated that 10000 years ago the Eskimos lived in Central Asia. How did they reach Greenland? Possibly on foot or sleighs - but the Eskimo legend says that they were brought to the arctic north by 'giant iron birds'.

Near Madison, Wisconsin, one can see on the ground from a great distance colossal gravel carvings of birds, that measure 62 metres from one wing tip to another. Planes?

A photographic survey by the Peruvian Air Force of the arid tablelands of Nasca showed a network of lines and geometrical figures on the ground as far as the eye can see. The lines were made by human hands by removing darker stones from the soil and exposing the lighter inner layer - an undertaking that must have taken years to complete. There are contours of animals and birds besides triangles and trapezoids. Most of the lines run in such a way that there is no connection between them and the more recent Inca roads. The area covered by these markings is vast, it covers hundreds of square kilometers.
The age of the Nasca patterns was estimated to be at least 1500 years. The Indians say the giant pictures on the ground were made by another race before the advent of the Incas.
The designs and lines can be seen from the air only at an altitude of over 350 metres - for who were these markings intended?

In Salvador an antique vase was found which show human figures in a dirigible in flight. Any connection with that and the Nasca lines?

Above taken from www.geocities.com/Area51/Vault/9054/ancient.html

It is said that this cave mural in Fergana, Uzbekistan was painted at least 2,000 years ago. Nobody could understand this picture until human could travel in space because such clothes didn't exist. A clergy interpreted that this painting was inspired by spirit. But now, as we can travel in space, anyone can understand what the painting indicates. For those who don't know science see it as mysterious. Today nobody thinks this painting was inspired by spirit.

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Theres enough detail in there to tell whether they look like australian natives or europeans?



It sure can. It could also be their way of denoting an important person.

The whole Vimana stuff though... that is actually very interesting. The whole Vimana aspect, and the wars described and all that are quite astonishing, talking of projectiles with the power of the universe, and "incandescent columns of flame" IIRC. Read up on them... its extremely interesting.

I will read up on it. Thanks for the tip!

I can understand the fact that things that look like UFO's in ancient Christian art can (in a way) be explained away as religious artefacts, such as floating cardinal hats? And the such. But what of the ancient paintings found in cave temples of Dun Huang and Turpan. (Dun Huang being in Buddhism temples in Beijing. And Turpan in the border mountains between China and Russia, Tibet, Thailand and India).

Paintings inside the above mentioned temples, dating back almost a thousand years!

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Who says this (other than the Raelians)? Frankly that cave mural looks suspiciously modern to me.

More information on the image...

Looks like an alien hrmmm I dunno, spookeh.

That person at the end looks like Delta Goodrem =] is it her? I bet it is lol.

Ok, I can't seem to link to the subcatagories but go to UFO Artwork On the left side click onto "Hoaxes and Misinterpretations", Next go the image #6.

Here's some of the text :



The 'cave painting' was done by a Russian artist in 1967 for a magazine cover (a photo of the magazine cover is can been seen below the text). There are several other hoaxes explained, including that platter-like object posted earlier.

I'd suggest taking a good look at all the hoaxes included there. BTW, the owner of this site is a bit more accepting of the UFOs in artwork hypothesis than I am. This is scarcily a 'skeptical' site, but Mr. Hurley does include known hoaxes, for that I give him quite a bit of credit...although I don't agree with all of his conclusions on this subject.

Same idea. Even if we dont know the exact symbol it is doesnt mean that its a depiction of an alien craft.

I will have a look through them...


Very true. Its just that they appear in lots of religious symbols and paintings.

Which could indicate that it was a common symbol.