Maybe it was kind of like thier way of doing Sci-Fi! Maybe they were merely converging differnt things of interest so they could sell more tickets to thier art auctions.

But, wouldn't it really be something if they were seeing all this stuff in the sky?

My only question is why didn't they go ahead and attack us then when we were weaker than we are now?

Ah, ah, careful now. Remember that the artists of this period were not like the artists today, who are free to paint pretty much anything they like. Back in the Rennaissance, the artists were kept on a strict leash, particularly by the families who commissioned them to paint. They were told exactly what was to appear in the picture, in order to avoid any sort of controversy that might occur otherwise. To the families commissioning these paintings, they were their advertisement, their 'gift' to the common man to show that they were generaous, God-fearing people. The last thing they wanted was controversy; they had enough of that.



Yeah, that would be pretty neat. The things is, though, since these are symbols that appear repeatedly in the several hundred pictures we have of this era, either the sky was chock full of aliens and no0 one other than the artists chose to acknowledge it, or these are all symbols of this era's art.

So, just how many "credible experts" do we have in the world that can accurately decipher paintings and texts?

Click here to find the "experts".

Depends on the painting and text.

not this again this is so old, y dos this painting keep coming up??

Yeah, that would be pretty neat. The things is, though, since these are symbols that appear repeatedly in the several hundred pictures we have of this era, either the sky was chock full of aliens and no0 one other than the artists chose to acknowledge it, or these are all symbols of this era's art. quote.


I'm not getting pic'y here haha, but if there are hundreds of pics with this exact type of symbolism, could you please point in the right direction for us to see them, or better yet post a few we have not scene yet. I don't quite believe these are all associeted with chritianity and the holy spirit so to say. Some are just to close to actual flying objects to depict as symbols of religion. Remember back then flight was not possible, let alone men riding in air vehicles. Yes the imagination can work wonders even back then hehe.

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Back in the Renaissance, the artists were kept on a strict leash, particularly by the families who commissioned them to paint. They were told exactly what was to appear in the picture, in order to avoid any sort of controversy that might occur otherwise. To the families commissioning these paintings, they were their advertisement, their 'gift' to the common man to show that they were generous, God-fearing people. The last thing they wanted was controversy; they had enough of that.

Would not some of what we see in these pics be themselves contreversal by nature? Just curious so many that look so out of place. So some more pics showing us that the christianity symbolism is what we are actually looking at. thx

nice paintings .....they look like flying objects to me

Whether you believe or not won't change a great deal; it is strictly up to you. In all cases, you can find most of these pictures with a search of Rennaissance art. I don't recommend searching for UFO and Art, because then you will only get a bunch of cropped pictures isolating the alleged UFO, and none of the pictures in which the UFO's appear, but are obviously symbols.



No, Rennaissance artwork is almost exclusively made up of scenes from the Bible, with a little spice of Greek Mythology thrown in for flavor. That's why they are so insignificant, art-wise. They just didn't really advance the genre all that much.

OK! Now that we have all enjoyed looking at and admiring the various "UFOs" in these paintings, which indeed they are, due to them being depicted as flying in the sky’s, and also that they are not identified as commonly known objects in most cases, (apart from the "flying Bishops hats") this would then indeed put these vessels and angelic beings with them into this category which we are discussing here.

So now, I feel like throwing another spanner in the works, so to speak. I would like to address the "Cherubs" which are also regularly depicted in these artworks, and state that I believe that these depicted "Little People" who had wings, or the powers to fly, and have almost always been depicted naked or almost naked, with women from this Earth, with the same modes of abode.

My belief is that these "so called Cherubs" were the people called the "Nibruans" who were always seen around the so called "God's", and the Nibruans were and are also in the universal Elohim family. These Nibruans are described as being 3 1/2-4 ft in stature, and I believe that they could easily be described or depicted as "children".

Now just wait a minute, while I have a chance to open my umbrella, so as I can deflect the rotten fruit and comments which will be heaved at me for making these "absurd statements". "I AM"

Cherubs ...always coming from the sky.....I love the little rosey bast**ds.

Cherubs seem to pop up in the oddest of locals as well.
http://www.meta-religion.com/World_Religio...es/cherubin.htm

Ezekiel had a somewhat disturbing instance with these imps of lore.
http://bible.cc/ezekiel/10-7.htm

http://www.answers.com/topic/cherub

Hey, good links here Chauncy I was especially interested in the one that seems to flow with my personal theory on whom or what these cherubs were or are. Here is my cut and paste from the site, in case anyone missed it:

Ancient Near Eastern art forms do not show gods or goddesses riding on mythical beasts as a rider would be astride a horse's back. Instead they are either in a throne which is borne by a striding beast, or they stand upon the striding beast's back. So Yahweh-Elohim probably was envisioned as either sitting in a throne which was upon the back of a winged sphinx or else he was standing upon a winged sphinx's back.

Yeah funny that! I wonder why we never see female cherub forms? Has anyone ever seen one? I know that I have done quite allot of reading and research on the Nibruans, (described as the Elohim in the bibles etc.) and never once have I seen nor heard mention of "Nibruan women." this seems very strange to me, and perhaps would explain why they are known to create "humanoid robots" to serve all their needs, and desires. Maybe this may be the reason that they were mainly depicted naked with naked women from Earth? I guess this would have been a real treat from the Nibruan perspective to actually mate and create with their created. The mind boggles!

What? No one game to take a bite at the Cherub?

True they could be. But wouldn't the object be well know, and everyone would say, " Ah that old such-and-such again!" But they don't! If it was a common object in all religions, how come it can't be explained?

Actually, yes, back in the Rennaissance period, pretty much everyone would have come by and said " Ah that old such-and-such again!". It was, as has been said, a common symbol with a clear definition in the religion at the time. It was by no means a common object in all religions, and no one has claimed that it was. It's explanation is very clear to those who have studied that period; it is only those who attempt to judge it by our periods standards that the symbols become unexplained.

Think about some of the symbols and their meanings in our culture. Do you think they will mean the same five hundred years in the future? When future man reads about the "Golden Arches", will one section of society claim that it was symbolic of a heavenly reward, and another, more educated section, understand that it is instead a food eatery? When you go by a video store and see XXX, you understand the warning; why would a society in the future understand what XXX means, without looking at it from our perspective?

The sky is just chock full of mystery...as much then as now. Certainly a good place to indicate aspects of the divine for many cultures.




Also, think about what aquatus had to say about certain symbols being cross cultural, and how easy it would be to misinterpret this symbolism.




Even if we can't be sure of what these artists were trying to depict, it's still artistic symbolism. There's no way to really know what was in the mind of the artist. It's a major leap of faith to say, Ah ha! these symbols are supposed to be alien space ships.

I can understand all that. About being back in times past and seeing it and saying, "Ha one of them, how fitting that the artist represented it like that!"

But what I’m trying to say is, even in different cultures, from Hindu to cave drawings across the world, and Christianity; they all have the same type of objects in them. Is it by some chance that they all picked the same type of object to represent a particular religious meaning or representation? And if so why is there so much discord when it comes to try and explain them? If it is a universal sign for something, then that knowledge would also be universal! If the meaning had managed to cross continents and span oceans, how come we still can’t say for a certainty what they mean?

Or could it possibly be that even back then UFO’s darted about the skies. And because they didn’t have the means for space travel and knowledge that we have, they interpreted them as religious!

It could also be because they saw meteors, comets, sundogs, auroras etc... and attributed their cause as being divine! There's really no way to know.

Commonsensical and true.

I believe that the movie "The God's must be crazy" can throw some light on the subject here.

UFO's have been around since the dawn of time, and, in a way, gave birth to humanity. Yet we just don't know? We can only speculate on what other things mean without the artist's actual words to explain it.

You know, they did write quite a bit during the Rennaissance.

Yes, and although I'm not a scholar of this period, I feel fairly secure in saying that these writings probably had more to do with religious themes than that of aliens and UFOs. Many of these religious themes are, quite frankly, lost on a modern audience.

"Meanwhile the average man had become progressively less able to recognize the subjects or understand the meaning of the works of art of the past. Fewer people had read the classics of Greek and Roman literature, and relatively few people read the Bible with the same diligence that their parents had done. It comes as a shock to an elderly man to find how many biblical references have become completely incomprehensible to the present generation."

( introduction to"Dictionary of subjects and symbols in Art" by James Hall)

wow, all of those images are REALLY interesting. those images are amazing

Many examples exist, and are subject to interpretation by the viewer. I'm sure an art expert can provide explanations. The bible describes lots of stange phenomena also. Have you ever read about the painting; that upon examination, a picture of the last supper was detected microscopically in one of the pupils of an eye of the subject? I read about it years ago and can't find any info now. Maybe it was a hoax.

it depicts the influence of aliens on the birth of christianity!
that the star of david was actually an ufo shining the way to the 3 wise men to the birth of jesus...
that the aliens used artificial insemination to impregnate the VIRGIN mary.
if the aliens use "missing time" on masses... healed a sick or dying person...
when regaining consciousness, the people would have not know that time has passed by for the aliens to cure or perform miracles......

why are we so blindly devoted to religion to see the puppeteer (aliens) behind the puppet (jesus)? like i said in another post i made..
mary didn't see a resurrected jesus.. it's probably just a hallogram of jesus.. what does a woman in her time know of this technology? it might as well be jesus floating in air in person...

if that's the case.. then aliens pulled a fast one on us.. just like ashton kutcher does on PUNKED!

Many a biblical passage can be read as pertaining to UFO's, aliens, and abductions.
It's almost on the verge of being intended, or by design.

2 Kings
Spinning Chariots Of Fire Take Elijah
2:11 And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven. 12 And Elisha saw it, and he cried, My father, my father, the chariot of Israel, and the horsemen thereof. And he saw him no more: and he took hold of his own clothes, and rent them in two pieces.


Check this site out
http://www.bibleufo.com/subjects.htm#Vehicles

What a facsinating field ufology is.

I believe those are UFO's! I think Aliens probably used religion as a way of making us better people but it backfired in a sense. I believe that Jesus and GOD are connected to Aliens like I said in my other post. The problem is, not too many people can think outside of the box. We have to realize that our ancestors couldn't describe things they saw back then.So of course they would probably call these beings angels or god.. they would also probably describe the universe as heaven. I think our governments know of them and they keep us in the closet about it because they would lose their power over us knowing that these beings exist!

I really think Religion has gotten changed and misinterpreted over the years... It's caused major confusion..

Throughout history there have been numerous sightings of UFO's.
In fact the ancient Hindu Ramayana described the use of complicated
flying machines. In Sumerian culture the word annunaki means "those who
came from heaven to earth." Annunaki is found in the ancients
Sumerian myths, and some believe that the annunaki were visitors from the stars
A sighting was recorded by Julias Obsequens, a Roman writer in 99 BCE, "in Tarquinia
towards sunset, a round object, like a globe, a round or circular shield, took its path
in the sky from west to east." On September 24th, 1235 General Yoritsune and his army
observed globes of light flying in odd patterns in the night sky near Kyoto, Japan.
Fearing for his army, Yoritsune asked his advisors what was happening. His advisors
explained to him that there was nothing to worry about - it was just wind causing the
stars to sway.The next recorded sighting was on April 14th, 1561 in the skies over
Nuremberg, Germany. There was a report that the skies were filled
with a multitude of objects engaged in an aerial battle. Small spheres
were described as having emerged from large cylinders.Another historical sighting of a
UFO happened in the July of 1868. The investigators of this UFO define the first modern
documented sighting as having happened in Copiapo City,Chile.

The Evidence is Everywhere The prophet Ezekiel's "vision".
His description is of a strange "vehicle" coming from the sky and landing near the Chebar River (or canal) in Chaldea (now Iraq) in the fifth year of the Judean captivity (592 B.C.) under Nebuchadnezzar II of Babylon;" What kind of 'machine' was this?"
Ezekiel continues;"And from the midst of it came the likeness of
four living creatures.And from this was their appearance:
they had the form of men, but each had four faces
Their legs were straight, and the soles of their feet were like
the sole of a calf's foot; and they sparkled like burnished bronze.
Under their wings on their four sides they had human hands
each had the face of a man in front; the four had the face of a
lion on the right side the face of an ox on the left side, and
the face of an eagle at the back and their wings were spread out
above; each creature had two wings, each of which touched the
wing of another, while two covered their bodies. And each [creature]
went straight forward without turning as they went And the
living creatures darted to and fro, like a flash of lightning."

Flying, fire breathing dragons sometimes appear in the backgrounds of 15th century paintings too, as if they are as common as ravens (or flying discs and spindels). Obviously this is proof, that like UFOs they are real. And like UFOs, they appear in every human culture. And in the orient we see innumerable examples of mighty celestial dragons catching and swallowing round glowing discs or balls. Obviously, the dragons ate the flying saucers before they could abduct mentally disturbed humans, or mutilate livestock, which is why we never here of those things back then.

Yep, all we have to do is start offering virgin sacrifices to the dragons, they will come out of hiding, eat up all the flying saucers, and the mentally disturbed people who had thought they were being "probed" by aliens will again believe they are being "probed" by succubi and demons in their sleep instead.

Wow cool this is the thread I found on google when looking for more pics of these things. Im glad i found this forum

I find this subject very interesting but im not ready to believe that they are UFO's.

I seem to remember reading somewhere that the apparent UFOs in old paintings had been debunked as not being UFOs at all?

That's correct. A great many of the objects that some identify as being 'UFOs' are actually religious icons representing things spiritual, not alien. Take a look here (click link). This site gives a pretty good overview on this subject, not all of the sections have an English version available though. I once had to find someone to translate a portion from Italian to English (about the so-called 'UFO' coin).

Well some of those images are irrefutablly Flying vechicels are they just a invention of the imagination or actual UFO's I dont know but sure seem like space craft to me.

Yes it does - because you are looking at it through 21st Century biased eyes and not through the eyes of the painter. This is a very common bias that we have. If we do not understand the times and such of the art we look at - we see it through our biased eyes.

There was an Egyptian hiroglyph of a flying saucer. Dome on top w/a side profile of a 'wedged disk'. A lot of people today 'saw that as a classic icon of a fly saucer'. But if you studied the actual meaning of it: it was a loaf of bread (dome) feeding the mouth (disk). For the Egptian art - it made perfect sense to the Egyptians of the time.

That is why we HAVE to be sure we truly understand the era of the work we are seeing and such. We canNOT look at it w/our 21st Century Eyes ... we have to look at it through the times and events of THAT TIME.

The sad fact is that sometimes people see what they want to see, not what they actually see.

Ok please explain to me Tairons Avatar what could it possibly be except a flying machine?

Again - you've only proved exactly what I am saying - U do not attempt to study the art, the period or the artist. You are arguing based on your 21st Century Bias.

U see "a flying machine" - but what was the artist of the time trying to tell?

Was your 'flying machine' a symbology that we today copied to make a sci-fi ship? Artist meant A. but we see B. We see B. based on our bias - not based on actual study, research of the time and the artist. These people had great imaginations, like we - so what was the "image" (imagination) that the artist was trying to convey.

IF you refuse to do actual study of this and do actual research of the time - then you are showing bias and an unwillingness to find the truth. U just want to believe your truth of it. Which isn't based on actual fact finding - but choosing to be biased and ignorant of the actual facts. PLEASE NOTICE THE >> IF <<< which means I am NOT saying you are --- only IF / Then ....

Fine but ,what makes your argument that it isnt a flying machine more accurate then mine?

Ok - you asked. Please do not take this wrong, but I am answering your question striaght forward.

Your's is based on biased and yes an ignorant opinion. This does NOT mean you are an ignorant person. Just ignorant on this fact. You are debating based on your personal feelings only - not on any sort of facts. So how can I say you're not accurate - because simply put - you are not.

So now you would need to prove your personal interp of this pictures based on research, investigation and facts of the painter, the times and such. Have you honestly done that?

Personal Opinions do not facts make, not even sorta, kinda maybe.