Illegal immigration into the United States is out of control, particularly across our southern border. Several members of Congress and Governors have declared states of emergency. The problem is not merely the number of illegal immigrants. In addition to the hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants from Central and South America, there are several hundreds, perhaps thousands, of illegal aliens from countries that sponsor terrorism or harbor terrorists entering the United States each year across our border with Mexico. Thus, it is a national security issue as well as an immigration issue.

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I thought you had a fence that ran the length of the boarder between America and Mexico?

Not yet.

I don't know about an actual FENCE, but i thought there was some barbed wire, chicken wire, or something like that. again, not a fence, but at least some semblance of one?

Even if we did it wouldn't be enough as it is now..The Border Patrol is one of the most poorly equipped and understaffed things going..We'd really need to beef up security and restructure how we do things..Even the highest wall can be breached if there's nobody to patrol it..

I want to add an addendum to the petition asking for a minefield and sniper stations.

Agree with Falco. We're an island and we still get a huge amount of immigrants. They'll just find more and more inventive ways to get across the border

its gotta be a large fence to keep all them mexicans in

Hmmm (no pun intended).......sounds familiar..










Oh yeah! Cold War Era Berlin!

I don't blame them, I would do exactly the same if I were them. So would you.

I already signed it. I am proud to say at least one of the stae legislatiors from Colorado waas on the border recently with the Minutemen.

Just hope that one day you don’t find yourself in the position of not being able to feed your family and having to make an illegal crossing so you can make some money to feed your children!

I lived in Mexico City for 5 years, and I understand what they are trying to achieve. Even though I don’t condone the ways in which they try and achieve it.

that site is probably fake anyway, they will just want to get your details for stuff like insurance fraud, stuff like that

Seriously, I don't care for their reasons. People have ways of changing their government if they want a better life. If they want to come to the US, there are LEGAL ways. I moved to Austin recently, I was staggered at the number of people on the streets with signs looking for work. So to say that their coming to the US doesn't hurt Americans doesn't fly. I'll admit though that our corporations and government turns a blind eye in exchange for the cheap labor, and in doing so they are weakening us.

I don't blame them either...Not one bit. And I don't wish them any ill at all..
But I do know this..
Letting everyone in isn't the answer for any of us..
Having another country you know you can easily run to almost guarantees you'll never expend any effort to improve your own..
Don't like it? Stage a revolution, work To effect political and economic change..Do something anyway..It's worked many times in the past..

But then most 1st world countries have this problem with illegal and legal immigrants. Here in England we are told that is it keeps filling up at the rate it is, by the year 2010 us British will be a minority in our own country! And we are an Island!

There is a simple solution to this problem, IMHO.

For now, we need our military on the border to stop illegal immigration until the border patrol can be retrained and re-equipped to properly handle the job. I mean they need to hire thousands of trainees, train them well, and arm them heavily.

I have no problem with open immigration, that is documented. If someone comes into this country, and that is all they have done, come here, and in that act have already broken a major law... What does that say about them? I would think that it means they will continue to breaking laws...

My opinion is we should have a 1 year amnesty program in the United States. Any illiegal immigrants that live here already can register, get a SS number, start paying taxes, and they can stay. After the cut off point they will be kicked out, "blacklisted" and never be allowed to return again.

After that, stick a well armed border patrol on the border, behind a fence, tell them if a person runs from them, shoot them. Cold hearted, yes. Necessary, yes.

Somebody also needs to make serious repercussions against the Mexican government as well. I am under the impression that they practically encourage illiegal immigration to the United States.

Ethnic Europeans will minority in Britain in 2010?



Calling out the Military to patrol the American-Mexican border is illegal. Sending out the Military to an area of the United States will just lead to an occupation of it's own land and people.

This is why America has the National Guard. The National Guard is under state and federal law to meet to needs of both State and Federal governments. Since America is not at war with Mexico there is no reason to put federalize troops on the ground.

Border patrol is the job for law enforcement or Federal law enforcement. The American-Mexican border should be Patrol by the Border Patrol and a assisted by the National Guard.

I agree with everything you stated but the quote I posted above. My wife is a legal immigrant to this country, and she is now working on becoming a citizen. It is a lot of work and a lot of time invested into the process, and to have a bunch of illegals absolved of their crime, and rewarded for breaking the law, grr, that idea pisses me off. Hell, would they be required to take the citizenship test that she has to? I bet not.

A fence would be cheaper in the long run and it would provide extra national protection.




The Berlin wall was designed to keep people prisoners in their own nation, not from illegally entering another nation.



That's awesome!



No, it's not. It's a project of Let Freedom Ring.

I agree for the most part with you, RagePatriot. Just not on the amnesty program. Why should we AWARD criminals for commiting crime? Doesn't make sense to me. I'd rather have Homeland go through and start picking them up and shipping them out of this country.



Nah, they would just do border patrols in greater numbers. Plus if we put actual military in there it would stop criminals from coming across a littl bit knowing there is trained military personal waiting for them. Even then, it wouldn't be really enough to stop it. A fence would provide much better protection.


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See, that would be extremely unfair to your wife and all other legal immigrants. They actually had to earn their citizenship. A criminal doesn't deserve any free passes because they are a criminal!

Hey... don't diss mexicans... I know a nice girl from Cancun

Ugh.... I don't really mind the mexicans getting in, seeing as though I'm not American
It's obvious you guys have different views

It's just not the Mexican people. It's for all illegal immigrants.

Most of which are Mexicans?
Yeah, I know what you mean....

i resent this whole thing..especially "its gotta be a large fence to keep all them mexicans in" "all them mexicans"? excuse me? this topic should be closed.. please somebody do so.

one of the worst redneck jokes i've ever heard.

this is not to keep any body in, but to keep illegals out. you do know that often illegals turn to criminal jobs right?

were not dissing mexicans. in fact they are great people to have around,great work ethic. and most eccelent food! *mouth waters*

however...when you have all of mexico trying to get in Illegally... you are gonna have..

-Employment problems

-National Security issues

-Crime Rate going up

-etc...

also, Mexico is often used as a base of operations for people of many nations to illegally cross the boarder,including criminals and terrorists (thats where the National Security issue come into play).

I just saw The Day After Tomorrow and it showed how Americans sought refuge in Mexico. They were not allowed to cross the border. what a reversal of fortune.

All illegal immigrants should be kept out. Just so happens a lot of them are in fact Mexican and should be kept out. Facts are not racist.



Yeah, I can make a movie about anything as well. Good for them? I've never seen that movie but if something did happen where I would have to flee, I'd be running and singing "O, Canada".

Those of us who have to deal with illegals want a fence. And the military should be on the border. They're being wasted stationed in Europe, especially in Germany and Bosnia.

Also illegals are a drain on our economy. Hospitals along the border are going bankrupt and making CITIZENS pay more because illegals cannot be denied services, but don't pay.

Whatever their reasons for crossing the border don't fly. We are not responsible for what goes on in their countries and we are not responsible for taking care of them. They need to learn that America is no the world's babysitter.

Exactly!

So, tell me, when we stop taking in the poor, the tired, and the huddled masses, where, exactly, are they going to go?

Live in their own countries. We shouldn't have to support them at all. They are criminals. They steal billions each year from hard working citizens and legal immigrants. We have laws and rules for a reason.

If you don't like this idea, don't sign your name.

Well, then, let's just hope to god you never have to be a refugee, Kratos.

No, we can't take in everyone in need on this planet, but we can still leave this country open for people to have a better life, LEGALLY. This country was built on the backs of citizens fleeing from other nations, Kratos. If we shut down our borders, we should shut down Liberty Island.

they can make a living for themselves if they LEGALLY entered the U.S. otherwise, get them out. if they cant get jobs in Mexico, thats Mexico's problem, not ours!

Well... maybe you should have read the site first...


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See, the fence would still allow legal immigrants to come through for a better life. I don't have a problem with any legal immigrants, just the illegal ones.

Not our problem. We have trouble enough taking care of our own. Why should we be responsible for them?

Also where would we get the resources to take care of them? they be sucking at the government teat, and that money would come from the taxpayers. And I already pay enough as it is.

America is not at war with Mexico, there is no reason to put federalize troops on the ground. Border patrol is the job for both law enforcement and Federal law enforcement. The American-Mexican border should be patrol by the Border Patrol and a assisted by the National Guard.



Don't! confuse illegal immigration with refugees those are two different situation.

A. Illegal immigration is the act of moving to or settling in another country or region, temporarily or permanently, in violation of the law or without documents permitting an immigrant to settle in that country. People who are illegal immigrants (also known as undocumented aliens) are individuals who move to a new country either in an illegal fashion, or in a legal manner but then outstay their authorized time in the country.

B. A refugee is a person who flees in search of refuge, as in times of war, political oppression, or religious persecution.

Mexico is not at war with another country. The illegal immigrants that cross the Mexican border into America are not refugees. Next time get your facts straight.



Nobody wants to shut down the borders, just secure it.

I was using an exaggerated example, I know what the facts are. And no one is disagreeing that we need better immigration controls, but building a fence is just plain overkill.

why? were not building the great wall, were just building a metal fence with maybe some barbed wire atop. we need to do something....cause obviously our fortess barbed wire line isnt cuttin it.

plus in the long run this fence will be a cheap solution.

With all the problems illegal immigrants cause, this wouldn't be overkill but a solution to stop criminals. Sure, it wouldn't stop all illegal immigrants but a vast majority of them would be stopped. In the long run it would be cheaper to build then let them keep flowing in to America stealing money from hard working Americans.

What the hell are you all talking about? You got a fence. I know i climbed it 4 times.

Yeah, America has small ones, not one that goes all the way across the border though.

*compares China's population to America's*

Pfft, it's not THAT bad