rolandofgilead @ Jan 17 2006, 01:51 AM





May I suggest that you read my posts as well,then its up to you to chose what seems more logical.Who was behind this despicable attack, terrorists or The president of the United States. Cant believe some people still believes this crap.

All we have to do is prove the government is lying, not prove they did the deed

We have already proved that at least 6 of the supposed hijackers who flew planes into the buildings are still alive to this day. THe FBI has appologized yet, the American public has yet to be informed.

The government is lying, and Hazzard seems to be blind(or a disinfo agent)

rolandofgilead ,you are going to have to excuse Scooby,he is for some reason extremely paranoid,angry and bitter when it comes to the US and with his last "America is already dead" statement I think Ill have to add delusional to the list.

(A false belief based on incorrect inference about external reality that is firmly sustained despite what almost everybody else believes and despite what constitutes incontrovertible and obvious proof or evidence to the contrary.)

And he sticks up for the government with blind faith.

Uncle Sam was tied up and thrown into a closet and left to die with the creation of the Federal Reserve. He finally died of starvation on 9/11. Since then the bill of rights have been slowly dismantled in the name of terrorism. This is now the land of freedumb.

Hazzards perception of reality matches the media's, but not true reality. Reality for him is what the sleeping majority agrees upon. Remember for a long time, many Americans still believed Saddam had WMD's even after the Dalfur report revealing no WMD's found (I assume Hazzard was part of that group).

Remember so far no evidence to the revealing the 9/11 coverup has been presented through the mainstream media to the public, Hence Hazzard's delusional thinking.

Your going to have to excuse hazzard, his arguements come from calling people that question the government paranoid. See with people like hazzard, they only view things from one side of the box. They dont look at both sides of the arguement before they follow blindly at explanations given by our government controlled media. No, im not just saying our media is government controlled to go with the discussion at hand, With VERY LITTLE research you can find that out yourself. See like in Hazzards last post, he says when scooby says "america is dead" it is obvious he doesnt mean the Country America is dead, and doesnt exist anymore, but rather has a deeper meaning that the soul, the spirit, of america is dead. However like other things, Hazzard just takes them at face value, so he can go on believing in his dillusional fantacy country.
See most people believed the governments story about 9-11 when it first came out. The people that you find now adays have reason to not believe the story. These people that you find that traditionally do not believe, have gone to information sources other then the main stream media, to get information, and I would be that 90% of the people that go on that quest for the information, find things that are down right disturbing when it comes to america.
We will go back to the "america is dead" comment. Obviously america is here, so what does he mean by that comment. Well, I would think it to mean, that the backbone of our country, that being our Constitutional Rights, as well as OBLIGATIONS given to the american people in the Declaration of Independance, the very foundation of our country, has, and is being trampled on.
Here is an example: You no longer have the right to trial by jury in the United States, if the government labels you "a terrorist". No you dont have to be foreign for these laws to effect you. As an american citizen, today a man can come up to you, place you in handcuffs, and lead you away WITHOUT TELLING ANYONE. There is no trial, there is no set length of time you goto jail for, there isnt even a sentence. Nobody knows you are taken, including your family, or your friends, you just are abducted so to speak. Thats just one thing taken from you since the attacks of 9-11.

I look at the events of the past few years, and it really just blows my mind. I mean, can you really look at 9-11 and not think our government was involved? Are people really that naive?? I mean come on people, some of you have to have some kind of forsight of what is going to happen next.

Do you really think we need the strong military foothold that we have in Iraq, and Afghanistan to give them Freedom?? Or does it look like military positioning in a region for future strikes? Here if you want a piece of advice, LISTEN TO NOTHING FROM OUR NEWS.. I mean sh** when was the last time you got good weather reports, much less accurate information on exposing corruptions in the companies they work for?

These threads make me angry at peoples blind ignorance. They watch CNN And think they "got the scoop".. Hell, now that I know the truth, sometimes I wish I didnt.

This is one of those times I would love to be able to view alternate timelines. I fully expect that if Bush had handled it differently, the CTers would have still said that he must have known it wasn't an accident. Or some other such nonsense. I don't care how he or the rest reacted, the CTers would find something that they felt was a conspiracy,after all,thats what they do.

Remember,these are the guys that still believe that they got one on the experts,in this case, true structural engineers metallurgists and avionics experts just blow them off as ignorant fools,and rightly so.

The very thought that the US government could pull this incredibly complex, convoluted, and supremely risky hoax off, fooling a vast cadre of experts world-wide, yet ineptly unable to pull the wool over the eyes of a few ideologues on some fringe web sites is just ludicrous.

But then again, inconsistencies are the foundation of these sorts of conspiracies. The HB's create them because they don't understand the details then they project them onto "the establishment" as proof implying that the "masterminds" of these events were somehow so inept in the execution of "their plan" that any uneducated fool could see right through it.

Its a simple solution really - America, in particular the conspiracy theorists just cannot accept that an 3d world arab nation can perpetrate and act on American soil. I thought Pearl Harbour might have rung a few bells - but here we are 5 years after the tragic events of 9/11 still rehashing the old theories.

If you persist in the ostrich theories that it was the NWO/CABAL/GOV CONSPIRACY ,etc, you may long suffer such atrocities.

Hazzard,

When you die, as we all will, you will have your life reviewed as to how your actions affected others. We will also have the oppurtunity have any of our questions answered. Ask what really happened on 9/11. That's what I'm going to do. We will see who was right, and then try to meet up in the afterlife realm to discuss it. Of course it won't matter at that time...

I see the problematic here as being that the US "official" story (as it is worded in the 9/11 Comm. Report) still fails to answer too many questions and leaves too many issues unaddressed.

However, I'm nowhere near ready to accept a mix-n-match, smoke without fire, conspiracy theory--which, by the way, I've yet to read two CTs that are consistent and can explain everything that happened.

I have a difficult time believing that 4 quasi-trained pilots were able to gain control of 757s (I'm talking about actually flying the planes with no prior training particular to 757s).

Help!

You`re on,like you said,then it wont matter,the looser buys the first round.

The same people who carried out 9/11 are also able to manipulate what goes into that magazine. Believe it or not, you have put your trust into the wrong group. But that's how we are trained, so it's not surprising. I used to think people like me were crazy and uneducated also. It was not until I started reading news sources from outside the US before I realised that we Americans have not been told the whole story. So far no mainstream US media source has informed it's audiance that at least 6 of the hijackers are alive today. The FBI has apologized to them personaly, but the US media continues to show their pictures on the news.

The editor of the article from popular mechanics is the cousin of Michael Chertoff the head of homeland security. It's called nepotism. Bushes brother was in charge of security in the entire WTC complex ending on 9/11. The American people have not even been told a fraction of the truth, it's all propaganda. But this is the land of freedumb, and people know more about sports then current events. Americans simply don't care to make there media and leaders tell them the details. America Wake Up so we can Rise Up, and take back this country. Of course that's just wishfull thinking, we are really past the point of no return.

I could keep going of forever revealing the inconsistancies, and out right lies the government and it's controlled media has told the people of earth. It's a complete scam, but who knows any better.

I have been speaking to some different people lately, and I have noticed that (in some cases, not all of course) the poor have a much better understanding of how the world really works then the more educated yuppies. The reason is because the rich put there trust in the system, but the poor know how the system is corrupt from experiance, and don't trust it, with good reason.

The people who think 9/11 happened just like the government said, are usually teh ones who have done no independent research. All they see is someone who says 9/11 was an inside job and they say to themselves that can't be right because I heard on the evening news that it happened this way.

I have no faith in the American people to do anything about this, besides sit back and take it up the @$$.

What a damn shame!

Given the myriad of evidence nothing will change the fact that AQ was behind this attack.
The more radical activists and researchers in the 9/11 movement maintain that the attacks were engineered by elements of the US secret services or others, and not by Muslims at all.

This 9/11 CT movement is informal, decentralized and fractious; its members convene mainly by list-serves and occasional public conferences. Nonetheless, the corpus of evidence employed by authors of 9/11 CT exposés is created largely by the little-known radical activists, bloggers, researchers and sympathizers of this movement, working on the Internet all over the world.

that's because the voice of the 9/11 truth movement is not allowed in the news, on TV, or in respected magazines.

Not because it's not fact, but because it's dangerous information that if known by the masses would result in chaos in the US.

Rmember, the news controls which info gets to the people and what is surpressed. I wish you knew that. Ever watch outfoxed?

http://www.outfoxed.org/

It shows how there is an agenda to keep certain info or ways of thinking out of the American mind.

Where do you live Hazzard, are you American? I think I asked you once but forgot.

PS don't forget about all the 9/11 victims families who are trying to spread the truth, but they are not allowed to speak to the masses through the media. Why not?

"Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories concerning the attacks of September eleventh; malicious lies that attempt to shift the blame away from the terrorists themselves; away from the guilty."
--President George W. Bush

well laid out mountain of evidence conclusively prooving it WAS an inside job and is still being covered up--
T Y R A N N Y A L E R T

I have many times compared the moonhoax believers with the 9-11 CT,the reason why is obvious.Basically it's a bunch of pseduoscientists talking mumbo jumbo.I also find it interesting that no one claimed conspiracy with the first WTC attack.
That attack was planed and executed by the same radical islamic types that succeeded on 01- 9-11.


Wile the Apollo HBs are only annoying and ignorant, the 9/11 HBs and The holocaust HBs are dangerous,and probably the most despicable of them all.

Were is ol`Buzz when we need him.

http://www.csicop.org/articles/20021018-aldrin/


Oh and by the way,here is the guy you`re protecting,may I suggest that you put this on your bedroom wall.

http://apnews.myway.com/image/20060119/AL_...docid=D8F8BS300

Article-new threat.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20060120/D8F8BS300.html

I decided this post and it's information deserved it's own thread, so I moved it here:

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...dpost&p=1030114

"Public sentiment is everything. With public sentiment nothing can fail. Without it nothing can succeed. He who molds opinion is greater than he who enacts laws."
--President Abraham Lincoln

Geez you CT's talk alot of s**t. I beleive in a few weird unexplained stuff myself, but goddam!!! You have no solid evidence! But i suppose you cant help it if you hate your own government to the point of accusing them of murdering their own countrymen and women. Like somone once posted on here, i cant remember who... Bush is a d***head, but he wouldnt do that. He's not that bad, plus he's not smart enough. Dont underestimate these terrorists, they can pull off anything.

just how do you figure that??! how does exposing the facts that bush has been a long time business partners of the bin ladens and that fbi agents ordered to desist their investigation into bin laden came forward in a press conference crying saying that they had been ordered not to speak of it and that all they could say was "the bushes vacation with the bin ladens" or that osama's codename in the cia was tim osmand and that he has been a cia asset for many years translate into "protecting"?

youve failed to comment on the eye witness testimony of explosives and secondary devices or the facts that bush's own chief economist in the labor dept from his first term-morgan reynolds or the former republican majority leader-karl schwartz who orchestrated the republican take over of congress during the clinton admin both came forward denouncing the official theory and backing demolitions and remotely piloted 737's-- then theres the physics professor from bringham young univ BYU also denouncing the official story and putting forth a 25 page analysis and challenging any one to disproove it-- and dont say there would have been firefighters that would have come forward because you have already ignored them-- just search the names "albert turi" or "paul issac jr" -- its a known fact that the first firefighter they chose to replace the chief of safety that died on 9/11 was renounced as he officially proclaimed his belief in demolitons -- still waiting

Re-Packaging The 9/11 Fairytale
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/janua...ngfairytale.htm

That link was funny,have you seen this one. http://www.enterprisemission.com/

Seriously,as with Hoaglands nonsense, the claims from that 911 site has been debunked many times.

http://www.snopes2.com/rumors/pentagon.htm

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID...EF21&sc=I100322

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html

http://www.questionsquestions.net/WTC/767orwhatzit.html

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/03/07/gen....ures/index.html

cnn? popular mechanics? scientific american? snopes?


150+ 9/11 Smoking Guns Found in the Mainstream Media
http://www.thewebfairy.com/killtown/911smokingguns.html

http://www.911eyewitness.com/

Complete 9/11 Timeline
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/project...ect=911_project

Index of 9/11 Audio and Video
http://www.911verses.com/underground/


note: 5 corporations control most of america's media.

Don't underestimate The Bush Family. They are one of the most powerful people in the World. When you have the backing of government, oil companies, corporate hierachy, and the stupid people that follow them, there is nothing they aren't capable of. The current President is just a puppet and his father would be pulling all the strings. If only The Bush's wore towels on their head. Maybe people might then think they are the true terrorists of the World.

For somone who hates ya president ...your giving him way too much credit. I dont like ya president, i dont even like my Prime Minister, he's a wanker who loves puttin GST on everything. I do however think you have a point, with Bush being a puppet., but i dunno, it seems a bit far fetched. Think of it this way, i'm assuming that: the people who think it was your own government who did it', you think that because....Bush wanted to start a war and take over the oil companies...ok, but why would he want the oil companies, whats that gonna do for him, all he'll get is money (of which he has plenty and couldnt posably want more of), he'll get a bit more power yes, but he's already powerfull enough and he knows it. Or maybe it's because he just likes war. Well you got me. He might just "like'' war.

When America go to war they destroy a whole countries infrastructure. The American companies then win these contracts to rebuild them. This means alot of money going back to the American economy. The oil is just used as a payment. They take control of the oil at a cheap price then sell it to the oil companies at world prices. The consumer then pays tax on this fuel. With the population America has this totals big amounts of dollars going to the government. This is just a quick and easy way of making a dollar at the expense of powerless countries. Im sure if Australia had massive oil fields i don't think we would feel very safe and it would be us with the so called weapons of mass destruction. America has close ties with Australia because we have materials they need such as Uranium. America will slowly disarm the world and take control, Why have countries sign a nuke treaty yet they still stockpile there Nukes. It is just a way of intimidating countries and making them follow the rules. America will supress any country that doesn't toe the line. U.S.A Government is a Dictatorship in its own sneaky and sly way. America have no fear of any land base attacks because no country would survive because the whole country is armed. War is just an excuse to go make some dollars. Terrorism is just made up to put fear into people. There is more chance of dying in a car accident than from a terrorists bullet or bomb so why worry! java script:emoticon(':unsure2:', 'smid_26')

Sure mate sure. Its obvious that you beleive this enough to research every nitty gritty little detail. So i wont push it anymore. You just keep doing ya research. I'm sure you'll find something one day. Maybe.

Made up!? Were did you go to school?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popular_Front...General_Command

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas

It isn't made up because every one is a terrorist in a certain way however there has to be someone other than Bush to be doing all of this i am thinking of shady overment types trying to rule the world with stolen alein techonogly

Hi all. I am new to this community but am enjoying the back and forth here , as it is very healthy and entertaining.

I am sorry , but yes I needed to edit this thread hehe. Sorry, am a newbie. Anyhow, I hope to gain some insight from all of you!

Cheers!

Welcome to UM laotzu,and may I suggest that you go back and read the first couple of pages of the thread,you are just a little bit of topic.

[quote name='hazzard' date='Jan 28 2006, 08:04 AM' post='1038417']
Made up!? Were did you go to school?

Its funny how the American government claim Taliban, Al quaeda and Sadaam to be Terrorists. American government finance these people, train these people, supply them with the chemicals and materials to make such weapons then paint a picture to the world that they are Bad. If America didn't take away there homes, families,and everything they have lived for then maybe they wouldn't retaliate. That isn't terrorism, its the result of War.