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user posted image rAstrology would be considered a scientific theory if judged by the same criteria used by a well-known advocate of Intelligent Design to justify his claim that ID is science, a landmark US trial heard on Tuesday. Under cross examination, ID proponent Michael Behe, a biochemist at Lehigh University in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, admitted his definition of “theory” was so broad it would also include astrology.The trial is pitting 11 parents from the small town of Dover, Pennsylvania, against their local school board. The board voted to read a statement during a biology class that casts doubt on Darwinian evolution and suggests ID as an alternative.The parents claim this was an attempt to introduce creationism into the curriculum and that the school board members were motivated by their evangelical Christian beliefs. It is illegal to teach anything with a primarily religious purpose or effect on pupils in government-funded US schools. Supporters of ID believe that some things in nature are simply too complex to have evolved by natural selection, and therefore must be the work of an intelligent designer.Behe was called to the stand on Monday by the defence, and testified that ID was a scientific theory, and was not “committed” to religion. His cross examination by the plaintiffs’ attorney, Eric Rothschild of the Philadelphia law firm Pepper Hamilton, began on Tuesday afternoon.

Rothschild told the court that the US National Academy of Sciences supplies a definition for what constitutes a scientific theory: “Theory: In science, a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that can incorporate facts, laws, inferences, and tested hypotheses.”Because ID has been rejected by virtually every scientist and science organisation, and has never once passed the muster of a peer-reviewed journal paper, Behe admitted that the controversial theory would not be included in the NAS definition. “I can’t point to an external community that would agree that this was well substantiated,” he said.Behe said he had come up with his own “broader” definition of a theory, claiming that this more accurately describes the way theories are actually used by scientists. “The word is used a lot more loosely than the NAS defined it,” he says.

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ROGER
sad.gif In the last 20 or 30 years the United States has engaged in many frivolous law suits. One group wants Intelligent design taught in Public school's . A man is Oregon wants no Religion or Faith in Schools because he's an Atheist. Legal fighting in the courts over where the "Ten Commandments" can be displayed. I am beginning to think the issues are not as important as the spot light of the press in these matters. Small people making a splash in the world pond as it were.
So let's be sensible and say Science should be taught in the schools by science teachers. Intelligent Design in Sunday Schools and Church classes by thous qualified to do so. There problem solved. Now the courts are freed up to handle Important Issues.

When parents want to entertain the children they put a microphone and speaker's in the room and the kids do and say all sorts of foolish thing to get attention. And some adults in the News are like that also!
Fox McCloud
I personally think Astrology has no place in...well, freaking anything. It just peeves me when someone judges me because of when I was born...it aint right. angry.gif
Blizno
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sad.gif In the last 20 or 30 years the United States has engaged in many frivolous law suits. One group wants Intelligent design taught in Public school's . A man is Oregon wants no Religion or Faith in Schools because he's an Atheist. Legal fighting in the courts over where the "Ten Commandments" can be displayed. I am beginning to think the issues are not as important as the spot light of the press in these matters. Small people making a splash in the world pond as it were.
So let's be sensible and say Science should be taught in the schools by science teachers. Intelligent Design in Sunday Schools and Church classes by thous qualified to do so. There problem solved. Now the courts are freed up to handle Important Issues.

When parents want to entertain the children they put a microphone and speaker's in the room and the kids do and say all sorts of foolish thing to get attention. And some adults in the News are like that also!


This isn't the real issue. A group of fanatical religious fundamentalists is trying to force their particular brand of religion into government. They have a plan (look up the wedge strategy) to destroy science and replace it with their own explanation of reality. This ID nonsense is just one of the first of the attacks they have been planning for years.

Of course I agree with you that religion belongs in religious institutions and science belongs in science class. These people don't agree. They want their religion everywhere.
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