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saidanddone
I read something a long time ago, but it didn't dawn on me for quite a while: Could genetic memory be as powerful as it sounds? tongue.gif But seriously, consider this:
A bee communicates to other bees through dance; as it can fly, it has a 3-d range of motion. Bees are deaf; they cannot hear anything. Bees cannot speak either (it's not like they can read lips) yet, without any form of communication, bees know how to dance, and know what dance means what. What about baby bees? How do they know to dance, and know what each dance means?

Dna holds the blueprints to your entire body; every cell can potentially make a new you. Just a thought.
QuantumE
I also dont understand how less intelligent species that arn't aware of themselves know that they need to eat, know how to mate, etc etc. Where did they learn all this stuff? It puzzles me very much.
Nadia Blue
I don't know the technicalities, but it just is. We are born with survival instincts. Everything is. How do plants know to do the photosynthesis stuff? They just do. Curious. hmm.gif Good question, though. thumbsup.gif
Piney

I havw always thought people with past lives or demonic possesion might be experiencing genetic memory. A beagle will automaticly shy away from a shotgun. A horse can be weaned without a mother and know which animals to avoid and what plants are poisonous even though they taste sweet. Goats will eat false sheeps laurel (a poisonous bush related to blueberries). Horses will not.
Genetic memory in humans would drive someone insane. We have some evil ancestors and we would not develop our own personalities. We only have what we need. Maybe the some of the brains unused space stores this knowledge.

Lapi'che
Ashley-Star*Child
I think people have as much chance of 'genetic memory' as they do ancestral or past life memories. Because either 3 are impossible to prove, it could be one, none or all.
rose_ashes
QUOTE(QuantumE @ Oct 21 2005, 10:04 PM) [snapback]897601[/snapback]

I also dont understand how less intelligent species that arn't aware of themselves know that they need to eat, know how to mate, etc etc. Where did they learn all this stuff? It puzzles me very much.


they're intelligent enough to know that when they're hungry, they need to eat. my dog reminds me of this whenever he runs out of food in his bowl. lol.
Rainbow Rowan
Consider this, stem cells are all identical before they form into the shape of the human body. Therefore, if any cell has genetically the same components as a different cell, perhaps the only proof of genetic memory would be in future technology. Once we have the technology to create a complete human body from one cell, then memories would also be proven to be stored in the cells.
QuantumE
QUOTE(rose_ashes @ Oct 21 2005, 11:31 PM) [snapback]897844[/snapback]

they're intelligent enough to know that when they're hungry, they need to eat. my dog reminds me of this whenever he runs out of food in his bowl. lol.


When I say less intelligent species that arnt aware of themselves I mean fish, insects etc etc.
JayRob303
This could also be tied into past lives...but for the question at hand.

Many species have information passed to them...
How does a baby know to suckle from its mother?
It's instinct...
Nadia Blue
A lot of these things, as I said before, are survival instincts. I think the poster wanted to know why these instincts are in place?
Rainbow Rowan
QUOTE(JayRob303 @ Oct 22 2005, 01:59 PM) [snapback]897871[/snapback]

This could also be tied into past lives...but for the question at hand.

Many species have information passed to them...
How does a baby know to suckle from its mother?
It's instinct...

Actually you are wrong. A baby must 'learn' how to suckle, speaking from experience...
JayRob303
Yeah..but it takes like 5 minutes at the most...from experience with my 3 kids and my wife...
Nadia Blue
huh.gif My baby suckled right when she came out. So did everyone else's child I know. I wasn't aware you had to teach your baby to do that. Maybe your baby was just different? hmm.gif
girty1600
Don't they usually suckle before they open their eyes. My Godson did.
JayRob303
*staying on topic*

Perhaps that particular trait wasn't passed onto your child...she may have inherited other traits.

Bottom line is, we are born with certain instinct just like other animals, simply because we are animals as well.
AdNauseamSuiGeneris
QUOTE(Piney @ Oct 21 2005, 11:12 PM) [snapback]897806[/snapback]

A beagle will automaticly shy away from a shotgun. A horse can be weaned


That's kind of funny, my dog is part lab, and everytime I take out the shotgun for matinence she gets all excited, I always thought it was the smell of the lube or maybe gunpowder residue... but wouldn't that be interesting if her "ancestors" were hunting dogs.
saidanddone
Do you have to make some motion or something at your breast(s) so that they know to suckle on it? Do you have to show them how to?
If not, then how do they know that your breast(s)/wife's breast(s) contain milk? How do they know it's not your ear that contains milk? yes.gif
saidanddone
I found an article on genetic memory. Take a look!
PS: It takes me a helluva long time to open up a pdf file in internet explorer. To be safe, save this pdf to your desktop first, then take a look. It's not very long; about 3 pages.
spacenut
QUOTE(QuantumE @ Oct 22 2005, 02:04 AM) [snapback]897601[/snapback]

I also don't understand how less intelligent species that aren't aware of themselves know that they need to eat, know how to mate, etc etc. Where did they learn all this stuff? It puzzles me very much.

They are born with it but I also see how confusing it is.
cchisum620
QUOTE(JayRob303 @ Oct 22 2005, 05:00 AM) [snapback]897987[/snapback]

*staying on topic*

Perhaps that particular trait wasn't passed onto your child...she may have inherited other traits.

Bottom line is, we are born with certain instinct just like other animals, simply because we are animals as well.

Read about mitochondrial dna
thefounder
QUOTE(WannabeSkeptic @ Oct 22 2005, 02:17 AM) [snapback]897649[/snapback]

I don't know the technicalities, but it just is. We are born with survival instincts. Everything is. How do plants know to do the photosynthesis stuff? They just do. Curious. hmm.gif Good question, though. thumbsup.gif


They have "instincts".. BS! Sorry, but i have a hard time listening to other scientists justify an animals actions with that term. What is instinct and how does that work? Has anyone answered that question? Now, answer this!


http://www.forceborne.com/FBW/commentary.htm

" The controversy continues over the teaching of Intelligent Design. The Evolutionists claim that the belief in an Intelligent Designer requires too much faith in something that cannot be proven the “scientific way”. According to them, the Theory of Evolution has been proven beyond a doubt! No faith involved.

Has this Theory been proven?

The only way you could prove it to my satisfaction would be if you:

Show me some transitional life form i.e. half fish half monkey showing evolution in progress.

Show me how a human organ such as the human eye can be self constructed without any reason or purpose and come out as perfect as a healthy eye does.

How did science figure out how 2 microscopic living life forms, the human sperm and the human egg can grow into a complex body composed of several trillions of cells. Some group says the body is composed of 3 trillion cells, while others say 100 trillion. Each cell is made up of 1 trillion parts!

Show me how did the sex organs get programmed to produce billions of sperm cells and the eggs (that must be compatible with the sperm) in order to produce a human body? That body must also have a sex organ to duplicate the process in the sperm or eggs it produces. This requires Intelligence and purpose! "
Quantem Singularity
Just like our cells know what to become, and when to divide, the bees could very well have multiple cells already programed with the traits it need. Even human babies have the property as well, knowing how to do basic things, sure dancing is much more complex, but it could very well exist.
saidanddone
QUOTE(thefounder @ Nov 14 2005, 01:57 AM) [snapback]930612[/snapback]

They have "instincts".. BS! Sorry, but i have a hard time listening to other scientists justify an animals actions with that term. What is instinct and how does that work? Has anyone answered that question? Now, answer this!
http://www.forceborne.com/FBW/commentary.htm

" The controversy continues over the teaching of Intelligent Design. The Evolutionists claim that the belief in an Intelligent Designer requires too much faith in something that cannot be proven the “scientific way”. According to them, the Theory of Evolution has been proven beyond a doubt! No faith involved.

Has this Theory been proven?

The only way you could prove it to my satisfaction would be if you:

Show me some transitional life form i.e. half fish half monkey showing evolution in progress.

Show me how a human organ such as the human eye can be self constructed without any reason or purpose and come out as perfect as a healthy eye does.

How did science figure out how 2 microscopic living life forms, the human sperm and the human egg can grow into a complex body composed of several trillions of cells. Some group says the body is composed of 3 trillion cells, while others say 100 trillion. Each cell is made up of 1 trillion parts!

Show me how did the sex organs get programmed to produce billions of sperm cells and the eggs (that must be compatible with the sperm) in order to produce a human body? That body must also have a sex organ to duplicate the process in the sperm or eggs it produces. This requires Intelligence and purpose! "


Yay! I love google!
Cave Fish (Eyeless Fish)
In an article, I read that generations of a kind of fish that live in caves all of their lives naturally lose their eyes. Why? Because their body no longer deems them necessary. I think that their body no longer deems them necessary because, in a cave, it is completely dark. NO light. AT ALL. So, since the body never uses it's eyes, it deems them a waste of chemical energy (even if it never uses them, they are pointless to upkeep), and veeeeery slowly, bit by bit, generation by generation, gets rid of the fishes eyes.
That is natural selection.
jesspy
On the movie "The Island" they touch on the subject of genetic memory in cells and stuff. If you havent seen the movie I will be giving some of it away so please do not read on. Any way the island is about clones who are placed in an under ground facility told about a comp that thay can win to go to the "island". But the Island doesnt exist its just away to lesson the burdern of them knowing they are going to die. Any way Ewan Mcgreggors character has dreams (I should mention the clones environment is controlled) about things that dont exist in the facility. When he does run away he knows how to drive a motorbike even though he has never seen one. The real Ewan Mcgreggor not the cloned one is a motorbike racer and the memories of that somehow passed down through the cloning process. This is also something Scientists in todays world are wiorried about when it comes to cloning "WHAT IF THEY REMEMBER!?!" I have decided to lokk into this topic more original.gif
iaapac
Let us consider the other implications of this . . . .

Deer travel in the same circle all of their lives, always returning to the point of origin. Salmon swim upstream to return to their place of origin. Sea turtles cross vast distances of the ocean to return to the place of their birth. The Monarch Buttlerfly, as an example, flies from Canada to Mexico, returning to the exact tree where it was hatched.

There is this driving instinct within life forms. A homing instinct. It has been called the most powerful instinct existing within the animal kingdom.

Now let's extend that. Some early cave drawings show man with wings. Greek mythology had man flying like birds. Man conceived angels with wings and the ability to fly. It appears that always man had the dream of flying, leaving the surface of this planet.

In 1903 the Wright Brothers finally flew. A very short distance but it was flight. Only sixty years later man was walking on the moon. Now there are plans for Mars and there are spacecrafts moving outside of our solar system.

Even NASA officials confess that the rewards to date from space travel do not justify the expense but still man . . . all men of all nations . . . . maintain the dream of moving outward into space.

Is man expressing some genetic homing instinct? Is man seeking to go "home?"
Dead_Man_Inc
To stick on topic.....

Bees know how to dance, and what each dance means for the same reason humans know how to talk, write, etc. They learn it. Bees have brains too, and although it is very small, and very simple, it is still enough to learn a very basic form of communication.
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