I have already posted some of Dr. Turi's predictions in Psychic Skills and Abilities. They really didn't belong there because people were talking about their own premonitions. I also wanted to get a more skeptical viewpoint from other people, which isn't allowed in the other forums. I won't go back over his past predictions. Instead, I will go over some future ones with dates giving a leeway a day plus or minus. The predictions are pretty general but would like to get odds from any mathematicians. I want to look at this objectively. Each of the events should be newsworthy (subjectively).

Here we go:

• November 7/8/9 - Explosion or Earthquake
• November 18/19/20 - People forced to relocate

These are in the near future and would be a good start.

If you live in Austria, you might have noticed there was an explosion of a gas can in a house in Salsburg that rocked the block. Would this be considered newsworthy? Maybe in Salsbrug, but definitely not World News worthy. So, how big does the explosion predicted for November 7/8/9 have to be? The size of the one in Texarkana on October 15th? Besides this, there is suppose to be some kind of astrological window where explosions are more common during this period of time. If you Googled 'explosion' in the news, you would see that there are plenty. Is there more now then other times when we aren't in the supposed astrological window?

These are just some things to think about when looking at the predicted events.

Thanks Chris, I looked at his site , but having you put up the predictions like this is much easier.

wrongly posted. Sorry

I assume that this thread is about Dr. Louis Turi, if not then I apologise in advance.

This guy makes some pretty 'out there claims'.

Here are some examples and facts...



Source

He seems like a pretty standard guesser to me. Probably reasonably clever and 'predicting' events that are likely to happen.

I think I have made my posting about EarthQuake and Disasters in wrong thread.
Sorry folks , I will need a couple of days to get the bearings of this Place.
I don't find EDIT button...can anyone guide me please ?
Thanks in advance,
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Yes, the thread is about Dr. Louis Turi.

Certain types of events, such as earthquakes, happen all the time (basically every day). Thousands of people being relocated or evacuated isn't one of those events that happen every day, but is still somewhat common. I'm just trying to find some sort of litmus test for his predictions.

Turi's site is very hard to navigate as a poster above mentioned and is filled with a bunch of esoteric terms as another poster demonstrated above for his own predictions. I'll try to condense the information and take out all the psycho-babble astrological talk and not add any of my own interpretations.

I have gave two events so far that are really generic. As I have mentioned, the earthquake/explosion event happens every day. That is the first date. For it to be important, it seems like it has to be of an uncommon magnitude. The second event is of a mass relocation of people. He did predict one for this month around 22/23/24. It is happening in South Florida with the expectation of Wilma. But, I don't want to go over any of his past performances because it will all look like after-the-fact types of predictions, which has been atrributed to many people in the past.

So, we want to try to distinguish what is 'clever guessing' from what is beyond chance. It's hard to figure out odds in a case like this. Getting 3 out of 3 or 1 out of 5 in these cases don't really explain the true probabilities of the situation.

I'm not sure where you were trying to post, but hey, don't edit it. It kind has meaning to my thread. If you get the media success as Dr. Turi has with his predictions, I might start trying to tear yours apart too.

I never believed in any kind of astrology before and Dr. Turi has me second guessing myself. I still don't believe that any alignment of any celestial body influences us by any means. My thought is that if there is something to astrology, it is the fact that there are natural cycles of events and someone was smart enough to map these to these to a clock that is called our solar system.

Exactly, these things happen everyday, therefore this guy is a guesser.
Say that he got one unbelievable fact right, so what?

If a million people in the UK decided to randomly guess an obscure or unlikely event it could happen in a million guesses.

Earthquakes happen every day. Earthquakes over 5.0 on the richter don't happen every day but do happen often. Earthquakes over 7.0 don't happen that often. It's all perspective and needs to be quantified when making earthquake predictions. This will leave out the guesswork part. The relocation or evacuation doesn't happen everyday. I want to try to make a distiction between the different predictions and try to assign some odds to them.

Your million people scenario doesn't quite relate to studying one individual. If you say that the odds of a winning a certain lotto is 1 in 5 million and you have 5 million people play the game, statistically speaking you have very high odds that someone will win the lotto. But look at one person winning that lotto 5 out of 10 times. That's a total different scenario.

Different scenario, but point made.
If people keep guessing they will eventually get something right.
Edward Dames is a good example of that.

The Major has issues without a doubt. Even though I'm a believer in remote viewing, I definitely see your point with Dames.

Let's get back to Turi. For an explosion or earthquake to be significant around 7/8/9, it has to be considerably stronger or more newsworthy than events on dates that are relatively close to the predicted date, such as this week. Here's a list of explosions that are in the news today:

• China mine - 15 people killed
• Baghdad hotel - 11 people killed
• Kandahar - 11 people killed

For an earthquake to be significant in a prediction for me, it has to be over 6.0. There were was one yesterday in Pakistan. It's still an aftershock of the big one they already had.

Im really sorry, u have it all backwards, could u re arrange the date format so other people can understand, im english so 7/8/9 to me is the 7th day of the 8th month of the 9th year. or atleast tell me how to understand this format?

November 7th, 8th, or 9th. It's a 3 day period. The date is for this year. I guess I could of just said November 8 plus or minus a day.

I heard this guy speak in Coast to Coast AM before. I'm really not into him as his predictions are extremely vague & how he comes to these predictions is really something else. For example this comes right off his webpage http://www.drturi.com/home.php

"Oct 15/16/17: Earthquakes/ volcanoes / tornadoes/ oil and Natalee Holloway

Result - CNN 10/17/05 - Garbuna volcano erupted in Papua New Guinea on Monday 17th October. An eruption column was reported to 25,000 ft. The last eruption of Garbuna volcano was 1700 years ago.
Result - CNN 10/15/05 - TAIPEI, Taiwan - A large 7.0 earthquake struck offshore northeast of Taiwan on Saturday.
TOKYO - A magnitude-5.1 earthquake shook eastern Japan Oct 16 -
CNN 10/16/05 - A magnitude 4.9 Temblor Hits Off San Diego Coast -
CNN 10/16/05: A magnitude 4.7 earthquake IN THE CHANNEL ISLANDS REG., CALIFORNIA
Result - CNN 10/17/05 - Oil eases as storm changes path. Euro zone inflation above forecast / Oil prices drove euro zone inflation higher than expected.
Result - CNN 10/17/05 - Wilma ties record as 12th hurricane in a season.
----- Original Message ----- From://// Bill To: dr.turi@cox.net Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 11:49 AM Subject: You're for real! Thanks, Bill Dr Turi, It looks like your 10/22 - 10/24 predictions is on the money. I need to order that correspondence course… "

He basically predicted all those would occur during those three days... Not a very great task. I could easily say an earthquake or tornado will happen in the next three days. Surely there will probably be an earthquake or even a tornado.

Check this link out Turi

You can dispute this article, however browse the web there is plenty of evidence out there supporting this claim.
If you check out his credentials he is no doubt fake. Even when one of his predictions on coast to coast AM didn't come true he twisted the words around & found some obscure news article that made it work.

In his case, tornados didn't really make the news and neither did Natalee Holloway. I'm not sure what his or anyone else's fascination with Natalee Holloway is. My roommate suggests only cute blond girls that go missing will ever make the major news. He's probably right. The only two things that seem a hit on those dates were the 7.0 earthquake and the volcano. This is his past record and we are doing post-hoc evaluating. Obviously there are people who believe he has correctly predicted events on those dates. I have mentioned about earthquakes already. They happen everyday. Those above 6.0 don't. If there are earthquakes over 6.0 for days that he predicts an earthquake will happen, would that be significant for you?

I have checked his credentials and for each day there was an evacuation of a major city because of the hurricanes Katrina, Rita, and Wilma, he gave these dates a month an advance. This was before the hurricanes were even forming. I think that is significant but I was going to concentrate on his predictions that haven't happened yet to give everyone a fresh perspective.

As you say, the events should be newsworthy on a large scale, and not just appear in a local newspaper.

However, I haven't heard of this gentleman, but the two 'predictions' above are extermely vague. Any futher information on these two?

And, as I pointed out in the "Hurrican Katrina" thread, it isn't a great feat to predict a hurricane, in hurricane season, on a site that is in hurrican alley. And the part about the evacuation? After Katrina hit and decimated New Orleans, don't you think that the inhabitants of Florida might just get a little skittish and leave?

I could "predict" a major snow fall in the Northeast United States for sometime around the 5th, 6th, or 7th of December. It wouldn't be surprising if I turned out to be right.....

Your snow scenario would have to have some significance to it, such as having power knocked out, people snowed in, etc. And then, you would have to do that kind of prediction around four times this season before any potential weather system looks like it will produce such snow (give the predictions a month in advance of the storm) for it to compare to his evacuation predictions.

His predictions are vague. I'm not going to sit here and attached some small news story about an explosion or some earthqauke that was a 3.3 to the first prediction to make it seem like he had a hit. We all know that these types of events happen everyday. It has to be something with a lot more significance than that.

The second prediction is a mass evacuation like we have already seen with Katrina, Rita, and Wilma. That prediction isn't that vague. This is not something that happens everday. It's not even something that happens every hurricane season. This hurricane season has been the busiest hurricane season on record and the hurricane season is not over and people are still trying to say that this is just some sort of normal cycle. Cycle or not, we have never recorded a season this busy with hurricanes.

Update: Suicide Bombers Kill 57 at Jordan Hotels

This is the lead story at the moment on Yahoo! News. This event is newsworthy and falls within Turi's dates. His predictions were vague and I said for an event to fit, it would have to be newsworthy. I have said before that explosions of this nature happen quite often. Even though I am the one that brought up this thread to follow Turi's predictions, I would have to say this was not a strong prediction even though it's the lead news story on Yahoo! News at the moment. And, there wasn't a large newsworthy earthquake during this period. If I were grading this prediction, I would give it a C, maybe a C+.

Gee, I guess it could also apply to France, Belgium, and Germany this week. There have been explosions, it was covered in the world news and it was around the time predicted.

Wow! he must be psychic!

Follow up

The following were all gleaned from CNN.com in about 10 minutes of searching.

Explosion reported at Amman hotel (11.09.2005)
At least five people were killed and more than 12 others were wounded on Wednesday in a blast at an international hotel in the Jordanian capital, Amman, witnesses said.

Attack targets Somali PM (11.06.2005)
Gunmen threw grenades and a land mine exploded near the convoy of Somali Prime Minister Ali Mohamed Gedi, killing at least five bodyguards and wounding several others, an official said.

Car bomb in Kashmir town kills 5 (11.02.2005)
A car packed with explosives has detonated at a police checkpoint in Srinagar, killing five people -- including the bomber -- and wounding 14, one critically, just hours before the new chief minister of Indian-controlled Kashmir was to be sworn in, authorities said.

Pakistan quake toll reaches 73,000 (11.02.2005)
Pakistan's official earthquake death toll jumped by 16,000, and officials warned that it is likely to rise further as relief supplies fail to reach thousands of victims stranded in remote parts of the Himalayas.

Palestinians: Israeli missile kills 2 (11.01.2005)
An Israeli missile hit a car Tuesday in the Jabalya refugee camp in northern Gaza, killing two Palestinians, Palestinian security sources said.

Blasts in New Delhi kill 55 (10.30.2005)
Three explosions ripped through New Delhi within minutes of each other Saturday evening, killing at least 55 people.

Bombs hit four Spanish courts (10.25.2005)
Bombs exploded early Tuesday at four courthouses in northern Spain, causing some property damage but no immediate reports of injuries, Spanish media reported.

15 killed in China mine explosion (10.24.2005)
A blast at a coal mine in southern China killed 15 people, the official Xinhua News Agency said Monday.

Police detonate package near Capitol; one held (10.21.2005)
Police blew up suspicious packages in a car parked near the U.S. Capitol on Friday, more than two hours after the two occupants told authorities the vehicle contained a bomb.

Blasts heard in Republic of Congo capital (10.19.2005)
Explosions and gunfire sounded briefly in the Republic of Congo's capital for the second time in a week as security forces launched an operation Wednesday against former rebels who have failed to lay down arms since a 2003 peace deal.

Iran blames UK for bombs - reports (10.16.2005)
Iranian officials have accused Britain of involvement in two bombings in an oil-rich town near Iran's border with Iraq that killed five people and wounded 95 others, according to Iranian news reports.

Thousands flee after train explosion (10.15.2005)
A tanker car transporting flammable gas derailed in a switchyard and exploded in a ball of fire Saturday, killing one person and forcing the evacuation of hundreds of homes.

Baghdad suicide blast kills 10 (10.06.2005)
A suicide car bombing killed 10 people and wounded eight others Thursday near the Iraqi Oil Ministry in eastern Baghdad, police said. The bomb detonated in a red Kia minibus.

These were all 'newsworthy and not restricted to local news".

Need I say more.......

I have actually gave stories about earlier explosions to give some perspective, even some you mentioned such as the Chinese mine explosion. The riots in France are starting fires and not explosions. All the ones you mentioned did make the news. This one has claimed more lives than any of the ones you mentioned, with New Delhi being the closest with 55 deaths. It's hard to look at this objectively. This is why I posted the earlier stories. So, we could look at this subjectively. I agree that this prediction does not stand out as any evidence to his claim of accuracy. But, it doesn't make him any less accurate either. This prediction is a toss up and gave my conclusion in my previous post.

On a side note, he doesn't claim to be a psychic. He bases his events on his interpretations on astrological cycles, which he claims was a form of astrology that Nostradamus used. Let's not attack him on psychic abilities; that can be another thread on people such as Sylvia Browne. Let's judge him just on his predictions such as this one that was very vague and appears to be not such a strong hit.

I guess we will wait for the next prediction posted for this month. This would be an event that does not happen as frequently as explosions or earthquakes.

whatever.

The guys predictions, no matter how he arrives at them, as so bloody vague as to almost guarantee that they will 'come true'.

I predict, that in december, something involving fire will happen and it will be newsworthy.... Sometime in the end of the month. Somewhere.

See? I just made a prediction based on a secret and arcane formula. I could explain the formula to you, but it would involve you giving me a large sum of money. So, if there are ANY fire related events that occur in the end of December, ANYWHERE, and it is reported in the news, then I'm right.

Believe what you will, but I wouldn't place too much faith in this myself.

Will you please find me a news article today that would fit the vagueness of a mass evacuation because of a natural event? Oh, you telling me there isn't one?

OK, where in any of my threads did I place too much faith in this? Have I not said I wanted to look at this objectively? Did I somehow lose my objective when I said the explosion/earthquake prediction was not a strong hit. I'm not here to argue about beliefs or non-beliefs. I was hoping someone would come up with arguments that are interesting. Your vague predictions don't match the subject of picking a specific day (plus or minus a day) with an event that may be vague or not vague. Stay in context.

First off, cool off and pull in the claws.

I was stating that you (collectively, meaning everyone) shouldn't place too much trust in prognosication. A general warning for all

Second, I could have put in dates in my prediction. That just means that I've pick something that has a strong possibility of occurring in the time frame chosen.

However, what you fail to recognize, is that this guy is merely playing the odds, as all good fortune tellers do. He has not, as far as I know, specified an area where this earthquake/fire/catacylsm is supposed to happen. So if something happens ANYWHERE, ANYTIME NEAR the time specified, believers will crow and boast of how wonderful this guy is.

I will not be impressed if he 'gets it right', because he isn't saying anything that is unlikely to happen.

If he had said it will snow significantly in New York, in July, and it occured, I would probably believe he had the 'touch'.

[font=Arial Black]Does anyone know anything about his "Doctorate" ? At first glance, his schools program does not seem "tuff" ... you can get a "life experience" bachelors degree ... from his alma maters website:

"The Progressive Universal Life Church Department of Education and Ordination offers Doctoral programs The following courses are available:

Doctor of Metaphysics
Pastor Jack J. Stahl's course on Metaphysics will take you on a Spiritual Journey you will never forget! Metaphysics is the study of that which is beyond the Physical. Metaphysics seeks to discover insight into meaning, and is a Spiritual Pursuit and Religious Expression. The purpose of studying Metpaphysics is to develop personal growth and self-realization, also to help you overcome limited thinking to become all you can be. Everyone has the ability to use his or her mental eneergies to live life to the fullest. This course will teach you

Concentration, Visualization and Meditation Techniques

Centers of Energy Within You

Universal Laws

How to use Metaphysics to improve your life...

and More!"

Good question. He did recieve a metaphysical Doctorate from that school. This is one of the things he does try to distinguish himself from other astrologers (having a Doctorate), which in my opinion, many of those other astrologers can probably get a life experience degree just like he did and call themselves Doctors. But, I could care less about his self-inflated ego. I was just using this thread to keep track of some of his predictions that aired on Coast to Coast.