This is spirituality and skeptisism I'm the skeptisim i'm always amazed when someone beleives in the bible you are sort of an anomaly to me, just curious as to why you beleive in fairy tales , why some do and some don't a passion of mine , its not personal I'm very grateful to you that you are so candid, I learn alot, Namaste Sheri

I'm curious why you beleive what you beleive. And what makes your beleifs true. Lol... But since you don't want to tell me, nevermind. =P

I don't ascribe to a set of beleifs its to limiting, I'm open I'm in the moment I just live my lfe and attribute meaning as i go. you don't need to beleive in dietys and demons to have menaing i don't need a set of rules, I'm open tio new truths . If these cla\lssify as beleifs then these are my beliefs until they change and life is always changing, Zero there are so many philosophys look into them if for no other reason then to learn. you are caught up in the illusion you think there is "a" truth your salvaton lies in being open not in beieng rigid. but I'm gonna stop here this is gonna get to complex for you at this time , this is not an insult, namaste sheri

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So, you don't know how the universe came about? Or you don't care?

Re read this post Zero, it doesn't matter how the universe got here not really, you are at the stage where your meaning is in all the answers to the questions, you are doing nothing but limiting yourself how many have said this to you in so many ways, You don't recognize wisdom yet if one is telling you they know the way they are lying if one tells you you are the way then they are worth listening to, If one tells you to sit at ther feet and worship you are only feeding an ego and will seek to feed yours, If one tells you the truth is outside of you in a book and overrides the wisdom you find within in run as fast as you can because you will only become lost. As always all the best to you Namaste Sheri

How am I trying to do that?? Cuz I gave an innocent opinion on something you don't beleive in.





Is there really anythin wrong with something God said?? So you are saying you are intelligent cuz you don't beleive in what you call a falso god. You ask us to respect someone that don't respect us but you can't respect something that is part of alot of us that we consider a creator of us. Get over yourself dear!! Zero debates no more than you or I or anyone else does. Only difference is you choose to disrespect something that alot of us beleive in. When do I ever hear of you saying this bull of disrespect that you do to others that beleive in a Pagan goddess or whatever. Sure a Pagan Goddess is different than the Christian God. But I have never seen you disrespect they're Goddess or non Christian beleifs. And why?? Because you are on same side as some of them are. You and some of them don't beleive in the Christian God. Just seems you seem to take a liking into harsh debates towards others feelings about they're debates. There are good non beleivers just like good beleivers. Respect our beleifs and we'll respect yours. Just cuz we beleive in something you don't, doesn't mean we dont' respect you.'
Also you have no proof he didn't exsists. Just seems ever beleiver of God you run into, you have got to get into a debate of questions. That's not respect. Everyone that get's into this debate with you have probably already seen how you talk on here. I wonder how many christians or God beleiving people on here choose to stay silent a big percent of the time because others like you are gonna question they're beleifs just cuz you disagree with them. Same thing all the time with you dear!! Enjoy the site instead of trying to prove something doesn't exsist just like we can't prove it does!!




Amen to that hun!!



Yes, I agree. It's always the same thing!!
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Sherri I'am not trying to get onto your bad side. Your careless remarks on others beleifs are just uncalled for.

you use an absence of proof of other life as a claim to a god, yet reject absence of proof of a god as a claim for no god.

you reject 'random events' as producing an outcome, yet don't recognize the randomness of events that produced the religious outcome you adhere to.

There is at least one more major difference.....Others here have a different belief than you or have no religious belief......Does this mean you are disrespecting what they believe or not believe in?


If I may answer this with a question or two for you!
When was the last time you seen a Pagan/Wiccan tell someone that they were going to go to Hell?
HAVE YOU EVER seen a Pagan/Wiccan say that?


Stop telling others that we will go to Hell. Some of us feel disrespected when we are told that.


Just as you have no proof that he exists.


I know of several Pagans and Wiccans that do not let their beliefs be well known for the same reason.....being hounded by Christians and told they are going to Hell for their heathen ways.

Of course I'am not gonna agree with any proof that God isn't real just cuz you said so!!



If you compared the Christian defense compared to pagen and nonbeleivers defense then you would see a big line between the two.
I haven't seen a Pagan/Wiccan tell someone to go to hell cuz they don't beleive in it!!
And if you were sitting here or seen me in person, you would never in a million yrs see me as one of those people that stand wtih a picket sign saying you are going to hell for marching in a gay parade, or for not going to church. So don't throw the stop telling others they are going to hell. Throw that card away already just cuz you feel the need to defend yourself when you are the one being to quick to jump as always on christianity. I love everyone. Jesus ate with sinners. So, do I!! I just beleive in something you dont. Every religion and every decision in life has to have boundries. This why you see hatred in some events in the bible. I see the God I beleive in as a loving God. He put me here on earth. I don't beleive something so beautiful as life and plants, and trees, and animals, and beautfiul babies born everyday just popped out of nowhere. It's all God's beautiful creations. So please throw that old card away of basing all christians as the same. Cuz we are all different just like nonbeleivers are different, pagans/wiccans are different.

If you agree to stop making assumptions about me, then I will be more than happy to stop making them about you kate.

And please stop telling people they have no right to discuss your religion because "they don't believe in it". If not, then what gives you the right to discuss others beliefs?

Agreed?

That I do!
I give it's members the respect they show me....good or bad.

Thank you for making my point for me!

Your point wasn't for if they beleive in it, it was if they tell others to go there?? I answered and ??

life is a never ending cycle....for every creation there is a creator, but this only pertains to our dimension that we are in. There are other dimensions that we can't see becuse we are not spiritually in that dimension...God has been here...but somebody also created god. BUt thats not for us to know because in our dimension there are laws...and that is a law that we will NEVER know who was before the almight creator of "our" universe. Death is not a mystery...death is only a new beginning. There are too many things that are unexplained and they shouldn't be questioned. While in college this year a professor of mines stated that some questions should always be left alone because we will never find the answer to them while being alive. He stated that it is impossible to understand life..because you don't know what your true purpose in life really is.

Kate, his point is that pagans don't tell you that you will be punished for not believing as they do.

But christians in general, feel that any who don't follow their path, are going to hell and are sinners.

That may be comforting to you, but it is annoying to others. Understand?

It's not comforting to me. I'am not all of them...Understand??

JMPD has most of it: Most of the time you have to ask them about their beliefs.
kate when was the last time a Pagan tried to force their religion on you?

by george! I think she's got it!

That is the point. We are individuals. Your faith brings you comfort. My faith brings me comfort.

You like chocolate, I like vanilla. It doesn't mean that the others choice is 'wrong' or 'right'. It just works.

I have always said that. I think you got my veiws and point was more like it. And no zandore I don't have to ask them about they're beleifs. I have studied the Pagan beleifs and looked deeply into others without having to follow it. Obvisouly when you look back, it's christianity that is always being questioned!! And not all christians force they're religion on you. Obvisouly you not getting it!!

I like french vanilla or butterscotch

I like cheese. Does that make me wrong?

And actually I like vanilla too!!

kate are you reading my entire post? I said before in a post today I was a Christian for about as long as you have been alive.....So yes I do understand Christianity ALL TO WELL!

christians are being questioned more and more because of how easy they are to be sinful. It's just everybodies way of finding something hypocritical in your life. I am a christian, and i am a hypocrit, but there are things that make me question what a true hypocrit is. Because my thoughts on life is as we grow older as a world thing must change...and the bible hasn't changed for 2000 years...and they make it seem as if we must live our lives by the book..and indeed this isn't a true...u were given the freedom of choice...so i say use it. Don't live your life day to day by the book of the bible. It does nothing but brings stress and anger.

Kate I'm saying you have to have a firm grasp of concepts (ideas) before you can seek to understand the new ones that I'm suggesting at this time, Religon is not based in reality , you can think otherwise all you want but it still isn't reality, basically, I have presented no philosophy that i would ask you to accept in place of yours this is the extent of your reasoning abilities due to self imposed limitations. this is a debate forum we debate meaning you come on here you have an opinion you can bet its gonna be scurtinized , there are some fine minds on here you are missing a great opourtunity to learn, Maybe you could take a lesson from 101 she is Christian she debates at the times she takes things personal she admits that and we move on, Maybe she can help beyond that i have no issue you or Zero for that matter beleive what you want, I can tell by your post you have not followed my postings , you just want to be right. Namaste Sheri

Then why haven't you moved on and dropped it??

Kate is this an apology of sorts???? namaste sheri

ADHD began this thread with: "What is before the alpha? Who gave birth to god? Who created the creator of god and so forth? Perhaps my real question is how is a beginning possible. If there was a beginning before god then he certainly is not the alpha, right?"

And then "things" went awry (shocking!).

(Zero: Do you truly believe that you have a "finite mind?")

"What is before the alpha?" - Nothing.
"Who gave birth to G-d?" - If you believe in G-d, then you belive that G-d is The Infinite, no beginning and no end: G-d has always been and will always be.

It is quite possible that there never was "a" beginning, only an infinite number of beginnings (as another post stated). This possibility, ironically, brings science and religion together. If what science calls The Big Bang is actually the result other Big Bangs, ad infinitum, then the same is true of religion, if you believe that G-d is The Infinite.

This all goes back to the same age old question: What came first, the chicken or the egg?? Yall start pondering this question and I guarandamntee it will drive you insane. I've also asked ministers, clergymen, etc, the same thing and nobody has ever given me an real answer, so finally I just said to hell with it lol

Welcome RedRaider9981 to the UM forum.

Thanks Zandore

Go Raiders!!! Welcome Texas Tech - Welcome RedRaider9981 - Mako

in the bible is say after the world end there would be a thousand years of peace what happen after existins just stop,[indent]ends or what?

The bible says that God is the creator of all that is living...I had often wondered where did he come from...what created him...

We all know Ra created Yahweh.

Technically speaking GOD'S Mother. As in The first it was just a thought. Space is very Vast and nothing more than a thought began what you know as the universe. So basically a concious created everything. Until one day that concious wanted a body so chosing a parent you get Jesus, Vishnu and anyother you want to name.

No No No creation went like this.

In the begining there was the mother Nu. Beutiful, pefect, calm and trainquel. She was like a ocean in the dead of night before a storm, stillness with great potential.
Then there was a spark a whisper a breath only the mother knows.
And Khepera was born. But the child who is his father had no power no thrown to rest upon so he made a daughter called ma'at to rest upon. And so Ra "the sun" was born. And as Ra floated over and expanded the mother. He became tired and slept. And became Shu "the air" and fell deeper into sleep and became Tefnut "the waters" and finaly rested as Geb "the earth". And just like the dawn Khepera awakened and rose as Ra once again.

Now the creation of living things started when Khepera was becoming Tefnut. During that time Shu and Tefnut knew of each other and in doing so created Nut "the sky".
Then Geb who was born through Tefnut was incestuous with his sister Nut.
And gave birth to the Netjer, the Gods. Who gave birth to all living things.




Been working on it a lillte bit trying to put as much symbolism as I can in the story.

So far I got theres only Energy and matter and the common view of the states of matter.
Energy thru matter interacting with its many states gave birth to gravity, light yatta yatta which in turn created life.
Im not a fan on the current theories of time so Ma'at represents time. And Khepera is the force of creation of change.

Any comments on my theory would be appreciated.

Your kind humor me. As a child you believed in Santa Clause, yet you only saw them in a store, but every Chritmas you waited for him to come down a chimney. Now this I find skeptical.

Perfect.

Again you humans "humor" me. Jesus you believe but not GOD, where do you think the boy came from. If and I'm just tossing this out, If Jesus was everything he seemed you don't think this just happened now do you. Then again you are human.

You are getting this.

I wouldn't really call science a gift, but something to keep you occupied.

Stupidity is perfection as is Perfection is stupidity.

Science isn't replacing GOD is up to something. You don't think it's by sheer coinsidence your finally getting a better look of space now do you...

I'll answer this in the most, civl way possible. Blashphemer. This human would compare yourself to something you can't even define. Becareful with your wording you are steping out of your sanctuary and into my arena.

King James was gay.

Trick or treat. A fable is designed to set a moral standard, one inwhich to TEACH CHILDREN a valuable lesson. Such as yourself. Think...

Your cynical my favorite mortals, you see life for what you believe.

Your boring so let me end this mock tirade, I created life a very long time ago. I got bored which I often do comes with the territory and challenged myself. You know what I did next I went and made myself again this time with limbs,legs and a heart and a very endowned brain, found a woman I liked and gave her a child. Nine months later I was born, now is the bible true well without tooting my own horn. My little excerpt is.

I'm going to go easy on you. My human mother gave birth to the form you will see walking and hear talking, and typing as I exsist now. I was clever enough in my own conception to be born as the Alpha and The Omega.(I love Astrology) As for the science and religon debate which you humans love to bring up are of equal parts why because you need one entity to be both the Alpha and Omega. In lamens term I would be one part religon and one part science in no paticuliar order. I just am.

Rest aside your insult to Zero..are you trying to say you are a god? You mention I a lot ...I created life...dude are you ok?