Like I am sitting here and read most all of the replies.

Science is a great benefit to society and I believe in it.


Well we know we cannot prove God (yet) but we can always keep trying.

And I think science as a gift from God.

Do you think stupidity is as well?

Except, of course, we can see the consequences of time within the aging process. But perhaps that process is not related to time at all, rather something biological that winds down as its energy level diminishes. We also have to remember that there are sub-atomic particles that appear to go back in time . . . . whatever that means.

I think that's because we pass, and not time. Once again, time is invariant.

what is it you desire clarity on, zero?

consider what is known of the true history of the bible?

to make it simple for you, consider this: a man makes a simple observation about something (anything). He might be correct or incorrect in his assessment at a very general level. Now somebody puts this assessment into a book of myths designed to rule a people. What does this mean of the book? NOTHING!

There is nothing stopping observation, the repeating of prior knowledge, or anything else from being molded into what in essence (for the OT) is a book of social order.

It is just like rammy's claims of actual biblical sites being uncovered: if i write a book based in vancouver about the rule of the city by vampires, does that mean the city is REALLY ruled by vampires and thus we have proof for the existance of vampires?

sort out the peices accordingly! It might be good to apply a uniform level of skepticism to all your studies as well.

I'm looking to see if those sources I provided are wrong and if the bible really does not have any good scientific facts in it. Because if it does, it'll add to the validity of the bible(In my opinion).


The bible has neither been proven to be false, or proven to be valid.

Ohhh, antiparticles? They don't really go backward in time literally. If so, someone please update this.

zero... proven true or false depends on which aspect you are refering too.

clearly, it has been proven that rabbits do not chew their cud, for example.

clearly, the earth is not 6000 years old! heck, even my bloodline is an order of magnitude older than that!

and the list goes on.....

Well actually it is also a gift from God aren't retarded childreen in fact gifts from God also. So yes one could call stupidity a gift from God.

Yes, but you have to understand, these things were written in the bible over 2000 years ago and need to be compared with the knowledge people had back then, not today. Did they really know all of this back then?



I think I agree with the idea that time is just human perception.

People who are not mentally handicapped, I mean.

XD, I'm sorry, I just found it funny the way that all fell together.

Actually, I've mulled it over...yes, stupidity is a gift from God. without it, the world would be a very different place...

ignorance, sheer careless thinking, and slight learning disablities-dyslexia, Add, adhd, and other learning impairments are still gifts for we learn from our problems. And not all humans are so called 'stupid'

what part of the bible? the OT is over 2000 years old, not the NT.

Yes, you need to look at the knowledge back then, and even earlier. You will find all the evidence you need to show the bible is a book of men, not inspired by anything more than what is found inside of men. The observations of some men.... some valid, some invalid. You should expect some to be valid, unless you take the ancients to be complete idiots.

Look to the full sources, where possible. (i am surprised you did not bring up some of the most amazing records of knowledge from the Tenach... if only gidion were here to comment on how the christian adaptation of the Tenach to the 'OT'....)

So it's a gift then? Is God "smart" in your opinion? Is he capable of stupidity?

God used his wisdom-heavenly wisdom to help us in times of need. He showed us himself in various ways but was made in wisdom. Wisdom we are unable to comprehend.

So he's not capable of stupidity?

Some of the scientific claims in the bible though, were not discovered untill not that long ago. No more than 1.5 years ago.

He has no need to use stupidity.

I'll answer it for you. Of course God is capable of stupidity...And I'm sure he's made a lot of stupid choices. Who can blame him?

but if God is perfect, then i must wonder-

are perfection and stupidity compatible at all?

And perfection implies that there had to be a previous imperfection. If God isn't capable of stupidity, then he is not all-powerful as people say he is. To be perfectly whole, you have to have various aspects. Correct?

I'm guessing he could be stupid if he wanted to, but he's also capable of never being stupid if he chose not to.

you are a person with an answer looking for the evidence to support it. try going the other way! there is nothing specific enough in the bible to lay claim to anything. there are ways to 'interprete' the bible to get what you want from it. This is, again, not to do disservice to the peoples of the past. Man has for a very long time seeked to understand his environs (a time much longer than the duration of abraham's followers). If some things were not gotten correct (at least correct enough to aid in survival) then this conversation would not be happening! You are too focused on the 'hits' and missing the bigger picture. For every lottery winner (big lotteries) there are thousands of losers as well, yet every week people line up for tickets thinking it could be them. Think about that.

Isn't this
A - a little off the subject,
and
B - a variation on "Is god powerful enough to create a rock he can't lift?"

The topic is on the creation of god, not his intellectual attributes, no?

The same can be said about the people who use the bible itself to proove it's not valid.

but we already know who created 'gods', JP.

So you believe that God was made then??
I have to disagree with your post on wisdom. There are a lot of people who comprehend it. You know for someone with so much love for God, you strike me as insecure with your answers.

Now come on, you know that's not what she ment. That was a low blow. Ding ding!

Yeah, well, sorry about that.

I got bored one day and......

How am I supposed to know what she meant? That very well could've been her opinion, which I respect.

Define God. What is God? Please use scientific explanations, not "he sits on a white cloud with a long beard and trident, kinda like Thor"

That way we will know if you are talking about God being the universe, or God being omipotent, or God being an alien creator, or God being a man-made creation....

Who are you all talking about?

perhaps... i don't use the bible for anything, myself. 'Reality' renders the bible irrelevent at the very least, and one of the longest running hoaxes at worst.

there is NOTHING in the bible to suggest that abraham's apparition is real, no matter what bits of wisdom you glean from its pages. Write enough, steal enough, alter history enough, and something has to come out in your favor.

Me, I'm talking about whatever everyone else is discussing. Their specific definition I hope is reflected in my comments.

define god?

RR, why not ask a hard question?

Judging from the history of man, that question is constantly being asked, answered, de-constructed, re-contructed, and re-interpreted.

If anyone could agree on a definition, we would have global peace.

She asked so that we are all on the same page I think.

Sorry I thought the question was warranted. You could all be arguing about different definitions of god and wondering why nobody understands...

I expect your answers will be "God from the Bible" anyway, so ignore my difficult question.

and, if everyone here gave their definition of god, we would have 20,000 different definitions. I don't think that would help the discussion, would it?

Actually if God were an alien in one's opinion, yes it would. Because aliens are made.

'aliens are made'? as opposed to.....

Unless the "alien" lived forever, I'd assume it was made...

i see... made in the physical sense opposed to made in the imaginary sense.

fair enough.... rr does raise one very important issue: the defining of people's 'gods' changes with knowledge gained allowing them to retain the superstitious in the face of new evidence. The 'gods' keep changing to meet their definer's needs. This of course is expected as the creators of 'gods' are those that worship said 'gods'.

Actually it would help to define God, its clearly going to be impossible to converse with a religious construct if you yourself are beyond that understanding, other than to encourage options in thinking, if you have an idea on ones definition of God it would help understand better, i think its a good question, i define god as All that is that which is all form and infinite possiblity that which is known and not known life the process of life The metaphor for the universe and its workings, namaste sheri

I like that one.

I agree with Yel and Sheri, I call the Universe God. Not a seperate entity which is separate from space, planets, life, etc. I beleive that is why science is replacing God. It is our understanding of the universe which is increasing.

God to me is the Universe and it's extensions, a Higher energy and design. I think we are all God, but not too many realize it. We are parts of "God", we are the Universe we are parts of that Higher energy. Part of a greater design. Until you get in synch with it, you don't acknowledge God, and you don't acknowledge yourself.

Thanks for the question Rainy it helps to know clearly we can talk to each other, namaste sheri

I don't understand how people can down on other people who beleive in the Christian God, but have beleifs like the people above wich doesn't have anymore proof than the Christian God, lol.

That is exactly what I beleive, Yel.

Perhaps the Christian paradigm of God sounds "cruel" or like a bully. And is associated with negative things like the Inquisition and the Ku Klux Klan.
I want to clarify that I do not like the term God. I don't believe in a God per se, but I think that's what people refer to...A Higher Power. And there are Higher Powers out there in the Universe, but we do not necessarily have to worship it.
edit: In other words, I don't worship a God. I have myself to believe in, and I get very far in life with that alone.